(11:23:54 AM) sn: Ock didn't take it quite like that.
(11:23:56 AM) unseeing_Augur: True, but Ock ended up getting bristly and refusing to admit it.
(11:23:57 AM) sn: He, uh.
(11:24:02 AM) sn: Li is /not/ a joking matter.
(11:24:04 AM) ventricularPipefitter: mentally, Ross was moreso going "Huh okay, so that's how it is? I wonder if she'll take it the same way."
(11:24:08 AM) ventricularPipefitter: Yeah.
(11:25:25 AM) unseeing_Augur: I do know that some closet cases, once they've come out, they sort of expect that everyone else is better off / will be happier once they're outed. And while this isn't a case of denying homosexuality, Ock is /definitely/ not admitting how he's acting /about/ Li (or Brahim, let's face it).
(11:26:50 AM) ventricularPipefitter: (Hee, Brahim.)
(11:27:17 AM) unseeing_Augur: It might have struck a note with the whole 'you're not admitting it', 'that's going to turn out badly for you'?
(11:27:53 AM) unseeing_Augur: This, though, completely depends on what Ross feels about Vitt dragging him out of the closet.
(11:28:22 AM) unseeing_Augur: I know he gets unhappy about it and has times where he's conflicted or maybe resentful of how it was handled.
(11:28:49 AM) unseeing_Augur: But is he happier now that he knows, understands, and is open about his sexuality?
(11:28:54 AM) ventricularPipefitter: I think he feels that it....didn't respect /his/ feelings at the time
(11:29:01 AM) unseeing_Augur: Yep.
(11:29:11 AM) unseeing_Augur: So his problem isn't with the act, but how it was handled.
(11:29:12 AM) ventricularPipefitter: (more) open. Ross'll express sentiment, at least.
(11:29:58 AM) ventricularPipefitter: (comfort level varies situationally.)
(11:31:18 AM) sn left the room (quit: Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client).
(11:31:38 AM) ventricularPipefitter: So.
(11:31:50 AM) ventricularPipefitter: I wonder what Ross is doing. He knows he screwed up.
(11:32:17 AM) unseeing_Augur: The point with that is, though, that he could have / might have internalized the idea that denying parts of yourself is bad / makes you a weaker person?
(11:33:02 AM) ventricularPipefitter: Hmmn.  Could you see that attitude coming up in his attitude in other places? Ross is, at times, not-uncofortable with denial.
(11:34:04 AM) ventricularPipefitter: (Proved Ock right. Proved -himself- right. You've just gone and alienated someone you didn't (really) want to, to prove a point. Well, you got what you wanted. How much longer until you hurt Echo? How much longer until you hurt Logs?)
(11:34:12 AM) ventricularPipefitter: ....I think he -wants- to talk to Vitt, actually.
(11:34:27 AM) unseeing_Augur: Why isn't he?
(11:34:28 AM) ventricularPipefitter: Also, to avoid Ock.
(11:34:33 AM) ventricularPipefitter: Huh, is GA online?
(11:35:00 AM) unseeing_Augur: 09:00	genesisArtificer	ok bbiaw 09:00	genesisArtificer	I need to hunt for pizza 09:01	genesisArtificer	I had no pizza for too long and my dopamine pathways are more than a bit dusty 09:01	genesisArtificer	laters 09:01		*** genesisArtificer quit (Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client)
(11:35:46 AM) ventricularPipefitter: thoughts so
(11:35:48 AM) ventricularPipefitter: he'll be abck
(11:38:30 AM) ventricularPipefitter: Mmn.
(11:38:50 AM) ventricularPipefitter: What made me realize this was a /pattern/ was when I realized Ross has always gotten away with, well. An apology.
(11:39:04 AM) unseeing_Augur: Yep.
(11:41:38 AM) ventricularPipefitter: and that 'oh SHIT I need to apologize I fucked up" is going to be a first reaction after he calms down
(11:41:43 AM) ventricularPipefitter: and then later
(11:41:45 AM) ventricularPipefitter: re-reading
(11:41:56 AM) ventricularPipefitter: "....I can't just apologize for this."
(11:45:38 AM) ventricularPipefitter: Which leaves him at
(11:45:43 AM) ventricularPipefitter: "what do I do now?"
(11:49:41 AM) unseeing_Augur: Yep.
(11:50:57 AM) ventricularPipefitter: and
(11:51:00 AM) ventricularPipefitter: no idea who to ask
(11:51:39 AM) ventricularPipefitter: (( Aelf totally kind of is his diamond, in some ways. ))
(11:55:45 AM) unseeing_Augur: (( She /is/. ))
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(12:00:34 PM) Zuki: (( That is a more emphatic response than I expected. ))