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- Frames:
- https://www.dropbox.com/s/b6dib2g4x1rjwza/sapphire_mudkips.txt
- Compendium (trainer stats, moves, experience, money):
- https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1n7rmyMGOR9ishlC8LuXxKtSgnwNxOUY2XScyPvFnGqo/edit#gid=0
- Offensive Ranges:
- http://pastebin.com/23SL48yS
- Defensive Ranges:
- http://pastebin.com/fnE0s13b
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- STUFF TO KNOW
- - Running near spinners and rotators causes them to face certain directions. If you try to run past a spinner or rotator, s/he will always catch you.
- - Opening the bag or Pokemon menu freezes spinners for 32 frames, assuming you do not run near them.
- - The cursors for the main menu and inventory never never reset unless you save+quit (so no point in swapping items to the top of your inventory).
- - You cannot buffer inputs in Gen 3, so it is generally best to menu immediately after an event, rather than in the middle of movement.
- - When Mudkip/Marshtomp/Swampert's HP is at 1/3 or less, its Torrent ability will trigger, which boosts the power of Water-type moves by 50%.
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- Before starting:
- - Delete your save file
- - Fast/Off/Set, L=A is optional
- NEW GAME
- - Choose the girl
- - Give yourself any 1-character name
- LITTLEROOT TOWN
- - Withdraw the Potion from the PC, then set the clock to the default time
- - After the TV cutscene, walk left to Brendan's house. Walk upstairs, then talk to Brendan, then walk out
- - Walk up to Route 101
- ROUTE 101
- - Save in front of the bag
- > With a second timer set at -11.3 to -11.5 (calibrate this manually), reset and get the Mudkip at 0.00
- ~ If Poochyena is not female, reset.
- ~ If Mudkip is female or has 20 HP, reset. If 21 HP and male, continue on (or check its stats/nature)
- - Poochyena: Tackle spam
- LITTLEROOT TOWN
- - Give Mudkip a 1-character name
- - Head north to Route 103
- ROUTE 103
- - Rival 1: Tackle spam (use Potion if a non-crit Pound will kill)
- > If +2 Speed at level up, reset
- - Walk back to Littleroot Town
- LITTLEROOT TOWN
- - After exiting the lab, go right around the lab, then right and up to your mom
- - Run up to Oldale Town
- ROUTE 101/OLDALE TOWN
- - Run left to Route 102
- ROUTE 102
- - Heal before the first trainer
- - Youngster Calvin: Tackle spam, healing as necessary
- > If 26 HP after fight, reset
- - Run through the grass to dodge the remaining trainers
- PETALBURG CITY
- - Run to the mart
- - Shopping: Buy 4 Potions and 2 Repels
- - Run to the gym, and mash through/watch the long cutscene
- - When the cutscene ends, run west to Route 104
- ROUTE 104
- - Run through the first patch of grass if good HP, otherwise run around
- - If you see a Taillow/Wingull, catch it (Tackle once)
- - Run to one tile below the path, and stop one tile before the grass. Use a Repel and use a Potion if you have <17 HP
- - Run through the grass, and behind the trainer, to enter Petalburg Woods
- PETALBURG WOODS
- - Run left, and stop running at the tile to the bottom-right of the Bug Catcher, then walk past him.
- - Aqua Grunt: Tackle spam, healing as necessary. You can switch out to a slave to erase Sand-Attack drops, but this is rarely necessary
- - Heal to 22+ HP after the fight, run left again, then pass the first Bug Catcher the same way as the first one
- - Pick up the Ether
- ROUTE 104
- - Run manip the rotator, then run up one tile immediately to avoid the Lass.
- - Run straight to the Rustboro Gym
- RUSTBORO GYM
- - Talk to both minions
- - Youngster 1: Mud-Slap x6, (learn Water Gun), Water Gun x2, healing as necessary
- > Geodude typically does 7 damage at level 8, 6 damage at level 9
- > Press Select on Water Gun once learned and press Select again to swap it with Tackle
- - Youngster 2: Water Gun
- - Before Roxanne, you will have 36 health. Add 3 to your current health and do the following:
- > 13-18: Potion before fight, 19-22: Growl Nosepass, 23-27: Potion before fight, 28-33: Growl Nosepass, 34+ Nothing
- - Roxanne: Water Gun spam
- > Roxanne will use a Potion (up to 2) whenever Nosepass is at <40% HP
- > Nosepass does 12-15 damage with Rock Tomb and Rock Throw, 8-10 after a Growl
- > If Roxanne is about to Potion a second time and one hit will kill Mudkip, Growl
- ~ This forces Nosepass to Harden the next turn
- RUSTBORO CITY
- - Run left to activate the cutscene, then up and right to Route 116
- ROUTE 116
- - Don't repel until you kill any encounter (except level 5 Wingulls) and maybe catch a bird
- - Take the bottom path and either run manip or wait for the rotator
- - You do need to manipulate Janice (the Schoolgirl spinner) after the Bug Catcher. Run to the tile immediately to the left of her, then walk up and right past her. If she catches you, spam Tackle (123 experience)
- > Consider bag manipping, she's a bitch
- - Talk to the Hiker (Water Gun x3)
- - Run into the cave
- RUSTURF TUNNEL
- - Use a Repel if not done so yet
- - Aqua Grunt: WG x1-2 (OHKO in Torrent)
- - Run back to Route 116, and back to Rustboro
- ROUTE 116
- - Manipulate Janice again (run to tile to the right, then walk up and left past her)
- - If above 6 HP and an encounter was killed, take the top path to Youngster Josh
- > Youngster Josh: Water Gun x3-4
- - If 6 HP or below or if no encounters were killed, take the bottom path to Bug Catcher Jose
- > Bug Catcher Jose: Water Gun x3-4
- - Talk to the Devon guy to activate the cutscene
- RUSTBORO CITY
- - After leaving the building, go to Mart
- - Sell all Pokeballs and 1 Great Ball, buy 3 Super Potions, 2 X Speeds, 3 X Attacks and 6 Repels
- > If 3 Potions bought earlier and bird already caught in a Pokeball, sell all Great Balls instead
- - Run to Mr. Briney's house south of Petalburg Woods
- ROUTE 104
- - After exiting the forest, run through the grass behind the trainer
- - If you still need to kill any encounter, do it now
- - Talk to Mr. Briney to sail to Dewford, then run to the cave
- GRANITE CAVE
- - Pick up the Escape Rope item ball on the ground floor
- - After the cutscene, use a Super Potion and an Escape Rope
- DEWFORD GYM
- - Battle Girl: Water Gun + Mudshot (do not lead with Tackle)
- - Heal to 44+ HP if needed
- - Brawly: X Attack, MS x4
- > Brawly has two Super Potions
- > If Bulk Up + 23 dmg, use WG
- > If Bulk Up + 20-22 dmg + Bulk Up, use MS
- > If Bulk Up + 20-22 dmg + other, use WG
- > Do not heal on Makuhita unless <6 HP
- > Makuhita is in heal range if the yellow/red is touching the male symbol; use Mud Shot
- > If you need to stall for Torrent, you can use your Wattson X Speed and/or throw the Great Ball (and pick up Route 110 GB)
- - Set sail for Slateport
- ROUTE 109
- - Talk to the little girl for the Soft Sand
- - Run up to Slateport, dodging the trainers
- SLATEPORT CITY
- - Run up to the shipyard and talk to Dock
- - Run up to the museum, and walk upstairs
- - Aqua Grunt 1: Mud Shot
- - Aqua Grunt 2: Tackle x2, Mud Shot (substitute Water Gun for Tackle if in Torrent)
- > Leave this fight with 40 or less HP if possible
- - Run up to Route 110
- ROUTE 110 (to Rival 2)
- - Dodge the Pokefan by running all the way to the left
- - Repel, equip Soft Sand one step before the grass
- - Dodge Timmy (the Youngster spinner) with running manipulation
- > If hit, Mud Shot x3?
- - Pick up the hidden Full Heal (2U and 4R of Timmy)
- - Rival 2: X Speed, X Attack x2, Super Potion, Mud-Slap Numel, Mud Shot x2 Grovyle, Mud Shot Wailmer
- > If Numel Growls, uh......
- > Grovyle does 34-40 at L18, 30-36 at L19
- > Quick Attack does 7-9
- ROUTE 110 (after Rival 2)
- - Consider grabbing Revive two tiles right of Edwin
- > Don't take if a death may result in no PB
- - Manipulate Edwin by running one tile below him and two tiles to his right, then bag manipping
- - Carefully walk past the rotator or do fancy running
- MAUVILLE CITY
- - Run to the southeast house, and talk to the guy to get the Rock Smash HM
- - Run to the northeast house, and talk to the guy to get the Mach Bike
- - Once outside, open the menu, register the bike, and use it from the menu
- > Heal in this menu unless in Torrent for Battle Girl, Ether if healing
- > Teach Rock Smash over Mud-Slap to Marshtomp
- - Bike to the gym
- - Wally: Mud Shot
- - Enter the gym
- MAUVILLE GYM
- - Walk to the Battle Girl on the right (Water Gun + Mud Shot/Water Gun [if Torrent])
- - Hit the switch to the right of the Battle Girl
- - If below 21 HP, heal (and Ether Mud Shot if haven't yet)
- > Teach Rock Smash here if not done yet
- - Talk to the guitarist above the Battle Girl (Mud Shot x3)
- - Hit the switch in the top-left corner
- - Wattson: X Speed if below 58 HP, Mud Shot x3
- - Bike west to Verdanturf Town
- MAUVILLE CITY
- - Bike north to Route 111
- ROUTE 111-113
- - After clearing the boulders, you'll see some trees on the right and an NPC on the left. You must be at full Mach Bike speed when passing them (otherwise the spinner above them might catch you)
- - Before the grass patch, bonk into the trees, use a Repel
- - Deload Trent by biking down a few tiles before the staircase then biking up. RTB (run-to-bike) manip to pass him again
- - Deload Cooltrainer after Fiery Path to pass
- - Talk to the trainer before Route 113
- - Cooltrainer Brooke: Tackle x2 Wingull, Mud Shot Roselia (77% range), Water Gun Numel
- > If Wingull confuses you, use your Full Heal
- > If Wingull uses Growl, switch out if possible
- - Repel before the Route 113 grass and dodge all the spinners
- FALLARBOR TOWN
- - Go to the crater in the southwest corner, and pick up the Nugget in the middle of it
- - Go to the mart
- - Sell the Nugget, TM 08 and TM 47
- - Buy 3 Super Potions, 10 Super Repels, 9 X Specials, 1 X Speed, 8 X Attacks, 1 X Defend and 2 Guard Spec.
- - Upon exiting, bike west to Route 114
- ROUTE 114/METEOR FALLS
- - If you need a flyer, don't leave the route until you catch Swablu (Water Gun/Tackle once to weaken)
- - Kill a Seviper if you see one
- - Bike left and follow the path to Meteor Falls
- > If early repel, RTB manip hiker
- > Super Repel to bag manip hiker if no repel up yet
- - Upon entering the falls, bike left and mash through the cutscene, then exit to the left to reach Route 115
- ROUTE 115
- - If early Super Repel, just bike down along right side. Otherwise run-into-bike manip Pokemaniac
- ROUTE 116
- - Use a Repel when the Super Repel wears out
- - If run-into-bike manipping Janice, don't go all the way down (Repel doesn't last)
- - Bike through Rusterf Tunnel, getting Strength along the way and going through Verdanturf
- ROUTE 117
- - Use Super Repel + teach Strength over Water Gun on breeder bag manip
- - Bike through Mauville to the north again
- ROUTE 111
- - Deload Trent
- - RTB manip Brice
- MT. CHIMNEY
- - Bike up the mountain, then go left -- past the group of Magmas/Aquas -- and talk to the first grunt you see
- - Aqua Grunt: Strength x2
- - Matt: Mud Shot, Strength, Mud Shot
- - Switch bird to the front, and heal Marshtomp to full if you took damage from missed Mud Shots/ranges
- - Archie: Guard Spec. on bird, (bird dies, switch to Marshtomp), X Attack, X Speed, Strength + X Attack + Strength Mightyena, Tackle + Strength Golbat, Strength Sharpedo
- > Mightyena Bite does 17-21 dmg at L24, 16-19 at L25
- > Sharpedo does 35-42 dmg at L25, 33-39 at L26
- > Sharpedo Rough Skin does 4?
- - Bike down the mountain, then take the south exit
- JAGGED PASS
- - Bike down the first five ledges, then bike right and down the stairs. Turn left before the grass, then go down one tile to the right of the female trainer
- - Bike left to the Lavaridge Gym
- LAVARIDGE TOWN
- - Go to Herb Shop
- > Buy 2 Energypowders, 1 Energy Root and 4 Heal Powders
- LAVARIDGE GYM
- - Follow this path: http://i.imgur.com/xqv5gk1.png
- - Before talking to Flannery, switch Marshtomp to slot 1 and heal to 43+ HP
- - Flannery: Strength (it won't kill), X Attack x3-4, get poisoned, Strength Slugma x2, Mud Shot Torkoal
- > If poisoned turn 1, heal health
- > Use X Specials to stall for poison if needed
- > Torkoal: Body Slam (27-32) Overheat (33-39, 43-57 in sun)
- - If 1-30 HP, walk around in Flannery's room to deathwarp. If 31+, Super Repel and get desert candy
- PETALBURG GYM
- - Enter the right door (accuracy room)
- - Delcatty: Mud Shot + Strength x2
- - Enter the left door (defense room)
- - Linoone: Mud Shot + Strength x3
- - Take the right door (critical room)
- - Zangoose: Mud Shot x2
- - Norman: X Defend, X Attack x2, Mud Shot x3 Slaking, Mud Shot (+heal to 45 HP) + Strength Vigoroth, Mud Shot x3 Slaking
- > Heal on first Slaking as necessary
- > If good amount of healing items, prioritize health over sleep
- - After the fight, walk out of the gym
- PETALBURG CITY
- - Bike to the northwest house, and talk to the guy to get the Surf HM
- - Bike a few tiles away from pond, use a Super Repel and teach Surf to Marshtomp over Tackle
- - Surf down to the bottom-right corner to get the hidden Rare Candy
- - Go to Mart
- > Buy 3 Super Potions, 1 Escape Rope, 6 X Speeds and 7 X Attacks
- - Bike east through Route 102, through Oldale and surf on Route 103
- ROUTE 103/ROUTE 110/MAUVILLE CITY
- - Kill a Tentacool if still on low experience
- - Super Repel during breeder bag manip
- - SURF AND PICK UP THE CANDY BEFORE TIMMY YOU DUMB FUCK
- - SERIOUSLY, KEIZ, PICK UP THE MOTHER FUCKING RARE CANDY PLEASE
- - RTB manip both spinners
- - Bike east of Mauville to Route 118
- ROUTE 118/ROUTE 119
- - Bike east to the Route 118 water, avoiding the rotator
- - When you enter the water, use a Super Repel
- - Surf right, then RTB manip fisherman
- - Bike up to activate the Steven cutscene
- - Bike right until you see a path up. Open the bag 1-3 steps before the Bird Keeper, then bike past him
- - Bike north to the Weather Institute, dodging every trainer along the way
- WEATHER INSTITUTE
- - 1F: Fight the female grunt (Mud Shot)
- - 2F: Walk straight ahead so the first male grunt sees you (Strength, Mud Shot). Then walk around him and open the bag one tile before the spinning male grunt, allowing you to pass him
- - Shelly: Mud Shot, Surf x2
- > YOLO confusion if Revive available?
- - After getting the free Castform, walk out, taking the bed on 1F on your way
- ROUTE 119
- - If no additional encounters/spinners fought, you are on low exp. If Geodude/Seviper/Swablu/Tentacool/spinner fought, you are on high exp
- - If on low exp. route, menu BEFORE rival:
- > Use a Super Repel
- > Swap Super Repels with Escape Ropes
- > Candy twice to L33
- > Remove Castform's Mystic Water
- > Remove Soft Sand
- > From the Pokemon menu, equip Mystic Water
- - If on high exp. route, menu AFTER rival:
- > Use a Super Repel
- > Swap Super Repels with Escape Ropes
- > Heal for Winona if not in Torrent
- > Candy twice to L34
- > Remove Castform's Mystic Water
- > Remove Soft Sand
- > From the Pokemon menu, equip Mystic Water
- - Rival 3: X Attack x2, X Speed, Strength, Strength, Mud Shot (level 33 or below)/Strength (level 34+)
- - Head to Fortree City
- FORTREE CITY/ROUTE 120
- - Walk up the stairs to the north treehouses, then east to Route 120
- - Bike to the top tile to avoid the rotator, then Super Repel before the tall grass (one tile to the right of the big bush)
- - Walk through the grass, the bike to the bridge to activate the cutscene
- - Run from the Kecleon
- - Go back to Fortree City and head to the gym
- FORTREE GYM
- - Puzzle: http://i.imgur.com/DAhFjtm.png
- - Fight the first two trainers you see, then dodge the other two
- - Bird Keeper: Surf
- - Picnicker: Surf x2
- - If healing before Winona, use a Super Repel unless desert candy was grabbed
- > Try to be at 55+ HP
- - Winona: X Special, Surf, X Attack x5, (Heal Powder), X Speed, Strength, (Strength) Surf, Strength
- > Strength Skarmory if not in Torrent
- - After exiting, go back to Route 120
- ROUTE 120
- - Use a Super Repel before entering the grass
- > YOLO this patch if desert candy was grabbed and use repel during maze
- - RTB manip bird keeper
- - Carefully dodge the trainers below the spinner (right before the tall grass)
- - Take the right path through the tall grass, then bike across the bridge
- - Bike three tiles left after the bridge, then down and past the Bug Maniac
- - Bike east until you reach the Route 121 grass
- ROUTE 121
- - Go below the Hex Maniac
- - Grab Persims above Hex Maniac, then RTB manip Jessica
- - Bike east to Lilycove, avoiding the trainer along the way
- - Bike back from Lilycove the way you came, but go south when you see the water, and Surf to Mt. Pyre
- > Super Repel when it wears off, heal to 35+ HP
- ROUTE 122/MT. PYRE
- - Go left upon entering Mt. Pyre, and bike up to the summit
- - Aqua Grunt: Strength x3
- - Aqua Grunt: Strength, Mud Shot
- - Aqua Grunt: Mud Shot x2
- - Talk to Archie, then bike to the right and through the grass to pick up the hidden Rare Candy
- - Fly to Slateport City
- SLATEPORT CITY
- - Go to the Harbor, mash through the cutscene, then Fly to Lilycove
- LILYCOVE CITY
- - Bike up, right and down-right to the shore, then bike up to the Team Aqua hideout
- AQUA HIDEOUT
- - Map: http://i.imgur.com/8YneFqd.png
- - Get the Master Ball first (take path from warp #3)
- - Matt: Mud Shot, Mud Shot, Surf
- - Skip Max Elixir unless really low on Surfs (use on Swampert otherwise)
- ROUTE 124
- - After exiting the hideout, use a Super Repel
- - Surf east to Mossdeep City, avoiding the trainers
- MOSSDEEP CITY
- - Buy 4-6 Hyper Potions, 6 Max Repels, max Full Heals
- > Buy more Hypers if Full Heals/Heal Powders are plentiful
- - Bike to the house in northwest corner and get the Dive HM
- - Bike to the gym
- MOSSDEEP GYM
- - Puzzle: http://i.imgur.com/r2jySTb.png
- - Two tiles after entering:
- > Use a Max Repel
- > Enter fight at 38-74 HP
- > Teach Dive over Mud Shot
- - Psychic: Surf x2
- - Tate & Liza: http://pastebin.com/dDCH7V19
- > Slave order: Bird > Castform
- > Taillow turns: Peck
- > Wingull turns: Water Gun
- > Swablu turns: Sing Lunatone
- > Castform turns: Rain Dance
- > Turn 1: X Speed + Heal Swampert to full
- > Turn 2: Uh...
- ~ If Solrock used Solarbeam, Dive Solrock
- ~ If Solrock attacked the slave, Surf I guess?
- ~ If Light Screen/Calm Mind, I have no idea
- ~ Seriously, Exarion or Heinz help me, thanks
- MOSSDEEP CITY
- - Surf south to Seafloor Cavern (straight down, then right a bit), then Dive down, enter the cave, and Dive up to enter the cavern
- SEAFLOOR CAVERN
- - Map: http://i.imgur.com/qTW2Sv6.png
- - Manipulate the spinner (first pass) by running to the tile to the bottom-right of him. From there, walk up two tiles, open the bag, then walk past him (second pass)
- > While bag is open, use a Max Repel, heal to 42+ HP
- - In the room after the spinner, take the top-left exit, not top-right (this is faster than what the map advises)
- - In next room, hold right for three transitions then left for one
- - Shelly: Surf + Strength, Surf (x2)
- - Heal to 41+ HP for Archie
- - Archie: Guard Spec., X Special x2, X Speed, Surf x3-4
- > Set up X Speed on Crobat if you tank 2 Wing Attacks
- ~ 69 HP needed
- > Use Persim to heal confusion
- ROUTE 126
- - Surf north, then west, then southwest to Sootopolis (use Dive, enter cave, then use Dive again)
- > Use a Max Repel when needed
- SOOTOPOLIS CITY
- - Surf to the northwest shore, then bike up the stairs and right to meet Wallace and enter the Cave of Origin
- CAVE OF ORIGIN
- - Map: http://i.imgur.com/pM2l5Oj.png
- - "A" is the Waterfall HM; don't forget it!
- - Catch Kyogre with the Master Ball, nickname it!
- - After catching Kyogre, open the menu and do the following:
- > Use Rare Candy on Kyogre
- ~ Look at Special Attack and Speed
- * 141 or lower is minus Special Attack
- * 91 or lower is minus Speed
- > Teach Waterfall to Kyogre if not minus Special Attack
- > Teach Surf to Kyogre if Waterfall not taught
- > Teach Shock Wave to Kyogre
- > Give Kyogre a Persim Berry
- > Use an Escape Rope
- - When you reappear in Sootopolis:
- > Remove Swampert's Mystic Water
- > Switch Kyogre to slot 1
- > Fly to Sootopolis (mash A)
- SOOTOPOLIS GYM
- - Puzzle: http://i.imgur.com/iLJIegT.png
- - Wallace: (X Speed with 100+), Shock Wave, X Special, Hydro Pump, Hydro Pump, Shock Wave, Shock Wave x2
- > X Special x2 on Luvdisc if early Waterfall?
- > Shock Wave Seaking with 150+ Special Attack
- > Hydro Pump almost always does more than half to Milotic
- - After exiting the gym, Fly to Mossdeap City
- > Remove Persim if still equipped
- MOSSDEEP CITY/ROUTE 126-128
- - Once in water:
- > Use Max Repel
- > Give Mystic Water to Kyogre
- > Teach Waterfall to Kyogre if not yet done
- - Surf south toward Seafloor Cavern, then east to Ever Grande City and Victory Road
- EVER GRANDE CITY
- - Use Waterfall, then bike straight into Victory Road
- VICTORY ROAD
- - Map: http://i.imgur.com/V3UbO03.png
- - Hope: Ice Beam
- - Shannon: Waterfall
- - Julie: Waterfall Sandslash, Waterfall Ninetales
- - Edgar: Surf Cacturne
- > Ice Beam if good Special Attack, can Surf one or both Flygons later
- - Wally: Ice Beam Altaria, Waterfall Delcatty, Ice Beam Roselia, Waterfall Magneton, Surf/Hydro Pump Gardevoir
- ELITE FOUR
- - Skip Full Restores if possible
- - If Surf still not taught, teach once out of Hydro Pump
- - Sidney: Waterfall Mightyena, Ice Beam Shiftry, Hydro Pump Sharpedo, Waterfall Absol, Ice Beam Cacturne
- > Use an X Speed on Sharpedo if <97 Speed
- > Shock Wave Sharpedo if 160 Special Attack
- - Teach Surf over Hydro Pump?
- - Phoebe: Surf Dusclops, Waterfall Banette, Waterfall Sableye, Waterfall Banette, Shock Wave + Surf Dusclops
- > X Special on Sableye and Surf second Dusclops if spares?
- - Glacia: (X Special if <101 Speed), Surf, X Special until +2, Shock Wave x2, Surf, Shock Wave+Shock Wave
- > If <155 Sp. Atk, use Hydro Pump on the first Glalie if available
- > If 165+ Sp. Atk and you have 4 X Specials left, use a third X Special so you can OHKO Walrein
- - Drake: IB, X Speed, IB x4
- > Surf second Flygon with good Special Attack, Surf first Flygon with great Special Attack
- - Heal to ~80 HP
- - Champion: X Special, Surf x6 (Waterfall Skarmory, Aggron, Claydol, Armaldo?)
- > If you have <95 Speed, use an X Speed on Skarmory
- > If <145 Sp. Atk, set up 2 X Specials if available
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