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- Archimtiros - Today at 12:21 AM
- Because it's the opposite of the "my way or the highway" mentality, which you just said I was clearly condemning
- And going back to the point of the statement, I was condemning it in politics, espeically WRT when the people it involves are barely involved in politics to begin with
- Macrologia - Today at 12:23 AM
- What are you talking about 'barely involved'
- Archimtiros - Today at 12:23 AM
- If it's something that's an every day part of their life, it might make sense, ie:
- If I play wow every day, and you hate wow, it might make sense that we don't get along, since my daily activity doesn't mesh well
- Macrologia - Today at 12:24 AM
- Just because you're "exercising your right to vote" doesn't mean people should refrain from having an opinion about it. You can "exercise your right" to be a loud jerk all the time, but people would be well within their right to dislike you for it
- And
- Archimtiros - Today at 12:24 AM
- I didn't say people shouldn't have an opinion about it
- Macrologia - Today at 12:25 AM
- The president of the US and the rest of its government affects everyone in the world
- Archimtiros - Today at 12:25 AM
- Didn't even come close to that
- Macrologia - Today at 12:25 AM
- What are you saying, then?
- Archimtiros - Today at 12:26 AM
- I'm saying that it's shallow and intolerant (the exact opposite of being open minded) to condemn someone for having an opinion that you disagree with, when that opinion is grounded in a reasoned point of view.
- Macrologia - Today at 12:26 AM
- Condemning someone for having a particular point of view is not the same thing as being 'not open-minded'
- Archimtiros - Today at 12:26 AM
- Depending on context it's pretty close
- Macrologia - Today at 12:27 AM
- Being closed-minded is condemning someone for having a point of view different to yours, before you know what it is
- Condemning someone for having a particular point of view is fine.
- And where has Vel 'condemned you'?
- Archimtiros - Today at 12:27 AM
- I wasn't talking about her specifically
- I've been speaking out the world as a whole over the last two days
- well really over the last few months, but you get the idea
- Macrologia - Today at 12:28 AM
- There's nothing wrong with people having an opinion about your opinion. They can choose to react to that however they want.
- Being close-minded is bad, but understanding why someone holds an opinion and not being accepting of it is not the same thing as being close-minded
- Archimtiros - Today at 12:29 AM
- I think there's something wrong with saying "we can't be friends anymore because we disagree about something that isn't a fundamental part of our daily lives"
- Again with the (simple but apt) wow example
- Macrologia - Today at 12:29 AM
- Firstly, it doesn't matter at all that it's not "a part of our daily lives"
- Whether that's true or not
- Archimtiros - Today at 12:29 AM
- hmmm I don't know that I'd agree with that
- I mean, that depends on the circumstance
- But it's certainly influencing
- Macrologia - Today at 12:30 AM
- let's say you never saw homeless people where you lived
- and neither did i
- (i'm assuming that's not true for either of us)
- and you said to me "i don't ever see homeless people where i live. if i saw one, though, i'd beat them up and steal their stuff. i hate homeless people"
- that wouldn't affect our daily lives
- doesn't mean i wouldn't be appalled
- Archimtiros - Today at 12:31 AM
- I think that's kind of a poor example because it's still referencing something that would be apalling whether it's every day or not
- Again, I go back to the wow example
- If you hate wow, and I play it every day, it would have a bigger impact on our friendship than if I only played it one day a year
- Macrologia - Today at 12:31 AM
- There's a difference between me not liking playing wow myself, and me hating the fact that you play it
- Or hating the fact that anyone plays it
- Archimtiros - Today at 12:31 AM
- Yes, but the point being made was the matter of degrees
- it's an easier thing to get over if it only comes up once a year (or whatever longer variance) than if it's an every day part of life
- Macrologia - Today at 12:32 AM
- Of course it's 'worse', relatively speaking, if you were e.g. a major trump campaigner, rather than someone who preferred him to clinton
- Archimtiros - Today at 12:32 AM
- Yes, or a polictical operative working in the industry, etc
- Macrologia - Today at 12:32 AM
- that doesn't mean that it's 'easy to get over'
- Archimtiros - Today at 12:33 AM
- Maybe, maybe not, but I do think it's a factor
- Macrologia - Today at 12:33 AM
- I personally would never be okay with having a spouse that did drugs
- Archimtiros - Today at 12:33 AM
- eg: I don't like smoking, but I can ignore it when the person only does it once a month, rather than 3 times a day
- Macrologia - Today at 12:33 AM
- Lots of my friends do drugs
- (not frequently, but on occasion)
- I don't like it when they do them
- I'd think better of them if they didn't
- Archimtiros - Today at 12:33 AM
- Exactly, that's tolerance
- Macrologia - Today at 12:33 AM
- I'm still good friends with them though
- But
- Archimtiros - Today at 12:34 AM
- you don't like it, but it's not frequent enough to completely ruin your friendship with them
- Macrologia - Today at 12:34 AM
- I'd never be okay with having a partner that did that, for example
- And
- Archimtiros - Today at 12:34 AM
- and that's a reasonable point of view
- Macrologia - Today at 12:34 AM
- My tolerance towards my friends doing drugs, is different to my tolerance towards other things
- Archimtiros - Today at 12:34 AM
- sure, because different things have different weights and impacts
- Macrologia - Today at 12:34 AM
- Yes
- Archimtiros - Today at 12:34 AM
- if one of your friends was an occasional murderer
- Macrologia - Today at 12:34 AM
- Sure.
- Archimtiros - Today at 12:34 AM
- I think it'd be a different story
- Macrologia - Today at 12:35 AM
- Well, yeah.
- Archimtiros - Today at 12:35 AM
- "its ok, he only kills people on tuesdays"
- Macrologia - Today at 12:35 AM
- And whether being a trump supporter is bad enough to ruin a friendship or not
- is something that that person is entitled to decide on their own
- Archimtiros - Today at 12:35 AM
- Sure, doesn't mean you're not also entitled in turn to decide whether or not you think that's intolerant or not
- Macrologia - Today at 12:35 AM
- Obviously it's intolerant to a degree
- Archimtiros - Today at 12:36 AM
- or shallow, or whatever other adjective you want to use
- Macrologia - Today at 12:36 AM
- Being intolerant in that context isn't necessarily a bad thing, but yes, of course it is to a degree somewhat intolerant
- Archimtiros - Today at 12:36 AM
- But going back to degrees
- NEW MESSAGES
- Archimtiros - Today at 12:36 AM
- it's one thing if you're a trump supporter in every faucet, obviously I am not, because I disagree with a great many things about him
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