[01:34] <Palestine> we don't have any invites right now, and I'm always hesitant to take people that I don't know
[01:34] <Palestine> my kd is my family and you don't just let people in
[01:34] <Palestine> we do, however, consider giving people a chance
[01:34] <Palestine> I have one person who might wanna come over as well
[01:35] <Palestine> and we only have a few openings anyways
[01:35] <Palestine> so not sure if we have room for all 3 of you
[01:36] <Palestine> but I might be able to swing it if you guys are attackers
[01:36] <LOShadows> okay...is there a theme to your kd that I should know?
[01:36] <Palestine> theme?
[01:36] <Palestine> no
[01:36] <LOShadows> i play pure attacker
[01:36] <Palestine> we have a kd policy
[01:36] <Palestine> that guides us
[01:36] <LOShadows> what is that
[01:36] <Palestine> we rely heavily on communication
[01:36] <Palestine> and we recently killed a guy for underperforming in 3 wars in a row
[01:36] <Palestine> and not communicating right :P
[01:36] <Palestine> good player, but not when he isn't dedicated
[01:37] <Palestine> he's avian, the UD out-hit him 2 wars in a row
[01:37] <LOShadows> ooh lol
[01:37] <Palestine> and he tied them the other one
[01:37] <Palestine> but it was more that he didn't have availability
[01:37] <LOShadows> well i can understand if everyone is commited and one isnt
[01:37] <Palestine> and didn't communicate when issues arose
[01:37] <Palestine> it's more that he had a work emergency and didn't text me
[01:37] <Palestine> he could have
[01:37] <Palestine> takes 5 seconds
[01:37] <Palestine> and we could have worked it out
[01:37] <Palestine> but it wasn't gonna happen so to hell with it
[01:38] <Palestine> 3 of my new guys who had been with us a week
[01:38] <Palestine> didn't even know who he was
[01:38] <Palestine> and they're on irc a ton
[01:38] <Palestine> :P
[01:38] <Palestine> but yeah
[01:38] <Palestine> here is our kd policy
[01:38] <Palestine> 1.	Be available on irc in #perversion-p. This is especially important for waves and wars. This Kingdom is irc based, MSN is not an alternative, but a backup. All should be available in the Kingdom's private channel. An absence from irc of more than 24 hours without notification can result in you being asked to part the KD.
[01:38] <Palestine> 2.	Everyone must use irc and check .orders several times daily. Orders are to be followed as written, i.e. Chain Targets during war are to be followed until they are removed from .orders. When asked, post yourself intel in #perversion-i,
this is our channel for readiness checks. If you have a question or concern, contact leadership.
[01:38] <Palestine> 3.	Wave Dates are not Optional, All provs need to make the effort to attend and arrive early for intel when possible. Sometimes it is not possible, notify Leadership!
[01:38] <Palestine> 4.	When waving, be patient, coordinating properly takes time, We all want to make our hits and get on with other business, but rushing causes errors.
[01:38] <Palestine> 5.	When Max Gains are ordered during a Wave you name your target, wait for appropriate spells and then hit once okayed. When Chaining, We normally hit in descending NW order, Wait to see the lineup, don't hit before being cleared to do so. Things can change quickly. Again, a little bit of attention and patience will provide the best gains/results for the effort.
[01:38] <Palestine> 6.	When in War, it should be Army In/Army Out or Mini Chains if enough are home at the same time. Wars are won based on activity. Two hits/day during war is average.
[01:38] <Palestine> 7.	Always get intel when making hits on your own. Check the bot for target info using .orders i.e. # of elites out and for how long. Never, never hit blind.
[01:38] <Palestine> 8.	Register for PIMP and update it daily, set up the appropriate add-on to auto-send your intel. PIMP is improving and is very useful when planning and warring.
[01:38] <Palestine> 9.	Keep your info in the irc bot complete and up to date.
[01:38] <Palestine> 10.	When you need to be away r/l, business or pleasure, please contact a member of Leadership. Try to give as
much notice as possible and together we will determine the best course of action. Leaving without notice and having a Prov go inactive is unacceptable. There are alternatives, let's use them and keep the game playable for each other.
[01:38] <Palestine> 11.	Individual activity is crucial to KD success. Consider your KD mates, log in should be at least twice daily, as often as possible during war. Wars are won by proper activity and cooperation from all.
[01:38] <Palestine> 12.	Lastly, use common courtesy when dealing with your KD mates. This is supposed to be fun. Treat each other respectfully, everyone has something to offer and should be heard. The KD will only succeed as a whole with the combined best efforts of all of us.
[01:42] <LOShadows> okay. these seem reasonable
[01:42] <Palestine> real life > utopia still
[01:43] <Palestine> but we expect people to give some effort
[01:43] <LOShadows> do you mind giving me the # of kd so i can check you guys out
[01:43] <Palestine> lol
[01:43] <Palestine> I do actually
[01:43] <LOShadows> im quite impressed with your coordination
[01:43] <Palestine> how
[01:43] <Palestine> and when :P
[01:43] <LOShadows> lol..how come
[01:43] <Palestine> how can you be impressed with our coordination if you don't know where we are
[01:43] <Palestine> :P
[01:43] <Palestine> or are you talking about the past
[01:43] <LOShadows> well the fact that you guys have these policies in place. the number of ppl onat a time in your chancel
[01:43] <Palestine> ah
[01:43] <Palestine> yeah people idle
[01:44] <Palestine> I can tell you we're 2/2
[01:44] <Palestine> and top 100
[01:44] <Palestine> we just beat a kd of 25
[01:44] <Palestine> and we were 21 provs
[01:44] <LOShadows> aight
[01:44] <LOShadows> nice
[01:44] <Palestine> well, 22
[01:44] <Palestine> but the guy didn't come oop
[01:44] <Palestine> till 12 hours before war ended
[01:44] <Palestine> so he doesn't really count
[01:45] <Palestine> the condition of our kd and our setup won't bother you
[01:45] <Palestine> I'm more worried about the social and such
[01:45] <Palestine> perversion is not just a name
[01:45] <Palestine> it's a lifestyle
[01:45] <Palestine> a perspective
[01:46] <Palestine> we have standard builds but allow for tweaking based on preference
[01:47] <Palestine> some things like rax aren't up for discussion because it allows us to naturally wave and bash shit in war
[01:47] <Palestine> everone plays a hybrid
[01:47] <LOShadows> cool
[01:47] <Palestine> but attacking is paramount
[01:47] <Palestine> why are you leaving your current place?
[01:48] <LOShadows> I came back this age and I was placed in a random kd
[01:49] <LOShadows> most people are not nearly as active as they need to be and  a large part of this
[01:49] <LOShadows> game is a team play so as you know it can suck for team members when others dont participate nearly as much the others
[01:49] <Palestine> or if they just kinda try ot od their own thing
[01:49] <Palestine> well, we allow some freedoms
[01:49] <LOShadows> yeah pretty much
[01:50] <Palestine> but obviously if you don't work together right
[01:50] <Palestine> you're gonna lose
[01:50] <Palestine> where you from?
[01:50] <LOShadows> los angeles ca
[01:50] <Palestine> k
[01:51] <Palestine> what about your compadres?
[01:51] <LOShadows> they are in us ...one west coast the other east coast
[01:51] <Palestine> k
[01:51] <Palestine> we're all north americans and euros
[01:51] <Palestine> our typical wave times are: if we get a button it's 22nd-24th
[01:52] <Palestine> but we'll sometimes go 2nd-4th to pick a fight
[01:52] <Palestine> or just randomly get a bunch of people together
to hit someone at home to piss someone off :P
[01:52] <Palestine> but formal waves notice is given
[01:52] <Palestine> do you have access at work? either phone or comp?
[01:53] <LOShadows> yeah i should have access through my phone or tablet when im not home
[01:53] <Palestine> k
[01:53] <Palestine> do you allow texting?
[01:53] <Palestine> we don't abuse it
[01:53] <Palestine> and no one will use it except leadership
[01:53] <LOShadows> yeah if its kd policy and everyone does it ...im more than okay with it
[01:53] <Palestine> unless you authorize it
[01:54] <Palestine> we do keep a copy of all users and passes in the event of an emergency so we can throw someone into sit
[01:54] <Palestine> we don't steal provs or xlog
[01:54] <Palestine> and we don't allow it
[01:54] <Palestine> xlog is a big no no
[01:54] <Palestine> I've never done it and won't ever do it
[01:54] <Palestine> only time we ever had to do it was when our youngest member had a hockey accident and went into a coma
[01:54] <LOShadows> ok
[01:54] <Palestine> and his sister texted me with his phone explaining it
[01:54] <Palestine> so we threw him into sit
[01:55] <LOShadows> dang was he okay?
[01:55] <Palestine> and waited till I could talk to his dad to figure out how he was
[01:55] <Palestine> yeah he's ok now
[01:55] <Palestine> damn canadians and their hockey
[01:55] <LOShadows> lol im canadian
[01:55] <Palestine> he's a little asian dude too
[01:55] <Palestine> no business playing hockey
[01:55] <Palestine> but that is besides the point :P
[01:55] <LOShadows> haha yeah
[01:55] <Palestine> yeah we don't do that shit
[01:55] <Palestine> no xlog
[01:55] <Palestine> ever
[01:55] <Palestine> I better not find out, it's a kicking offense
[01:55] <Palestine> insta kick
[01:56] <Palestine> cheating takes away the sweetness of victory
[01:56] <Palestine> cheapens it
[01:56] <LOShadows> by xlog you mean someone loggin into someone else acc unauthorized?
[01:56] <Palestine> logging into someone else's account period
[01:56] <Palestine> unless it's that emergency i just talked about
[01:56] <LOShadows> right
[01:56] <Palestine> no logmeins either
[01:56] <LOShadows> that seems very much reasonable
[01:56] <Palestine> I know there are ways to do it
[01:56] <Palestine> where you can't get caught
[01:56] <Palestine> you can remote access people's computers
[01:56] <Palestine> I know kds that do it
[01:57] <Palestine> we don't and won't allow it
[01:57] <Palestine> it allows for lazy people and also cheapens it
[01:57] <LOShadows> k
[01:57] <Palestine> we actually kicked a kd out of our alliance for it
[01:57] <Palestine> that among other things
[01:58] <Palestine> that's pretty much it
[01:58] <Palestine> we don't like cheating, we communicate and play together, and we are a family
[01:58] <Palestine> confrontation is actually promoted
[01:58] <Palestine> I want people to argue and learn
[01:58] <Palestine> but in a way that isn't personal
[01:58] <Palestine> if that makes any sense
[01:58] <Palestine> our culture is very.. different
[01:58] <Palestine> but I've never had anyone leave
[01:59] <Palestine> we're the hotel california, once you come you never leave
[01:59] <LOShadows> okay. I agree with all these policies. I am pretty serious about playing this game during the ages that I do it and i know how activity and teamwork can affect others in the team
[01:59] <Palestine> k
[01:59] <Palestine> my comonarch will probably want to interview your mates
[01:59] <Palestine> we don't have invites so you may have to either
wait or buy your own
[02:00] <LOShadows> okay i will talk to them and let them know.
[02:00] <LOShadows> do you know how much they cost?
[02:00] <Palestine> 10 bucks I think
[02:00] <Palestine> each
[02:00] <Palestine> it's 40 credits as far as I'm aware
[02:00] <Palestine> and I'm like 99% sure on that one
[02:00] <LOShadows> ok...I think i can get it
[02:00] <Palestine> Tea is my comonarch
[02:00] <Palestine> we have a council of 6
[02:01] <Palestine> but there are something like 12 ex-monarchs with us
[02:01] <Palestine> so council does rotate some
[02:01] <LOShadows> i can imagine it cant be easy
[02:01] <Palestine> even monarchy when necessary
[02:01] <Palestine> what can't be easy?
[02:01] <Palestine> running this kd is not hard
[02:01] <Palestine> if you know how to do it
[02:01] <Palestine> it's about communicating things to everyone
[02:01] <LOShadows> i guess...much more responsibilities as a monarch
[02:01] <Palestine> letting them know what's going on
[02:02] <Palestine> so they can prepare properly for it
[02:02] <LOShadows> ok
[02:02] <Palestine> once you have a good system in place and people who care
[02:02] <Palestine> it's really not hard at all
[02:02] <Palestine> but you have to be consistent as a leader
[02:02] <Palestine> adn give your players the tools to succeed
[02:02] <Palestine> not just jump into a war with no notice
[02:02] <LOShadows> the system you guys have in place definitely helps im sure
[02:03] <Palestine> well, the player base being skilled helps
[02:03] <Palestine> but a lot of that comes from training them
[02:03] <LOShadows> most definitely
[02:03] <Palestine> we have habits
[02:03] <Palestine> we promote certain habits
[02:03] <Palestine> and in the end it helps us win
[02:03] <Palestine> but yeah, it's 2 am for me and I need to leave work
[02:03] <Palestine> talk with your mates and get them into here
[02:03] <Palestine> I know other people will want to interview them
[02:04] <Palestine> before we decide anything
[02:04] <Palestine> joining a kd is a big decision for both parties
[02:04] <Palestine> and if it doesn't work it, then shit happens
[02:04] <Palestine> I'm in no hurry to fill up
[02:04] <LOShadows> haha yeah i know
[02:04] <LOShadows> anyway thanks for giving the info
[02:05] <LOShadows> as i said i agree with your policy and would like to give it a good try
[02:05] <Palestine> ok
[02:05] <LOShadows> and I think it will work
[02:05] <Palestine> we're avian/clerics, UD tact, with a few halfer and elves
[02:05] <Palestine> but we're mostly speed
[02:05] <Palestine> and power
[02:06] <LOShadows> okay...I havnt played those before so id probably need to read a bit about strats and also definitely can use any tips you guys can give me
[02:06] <Palestine> what do you usually play?
[02:07] <LOShadows> for the most part human attker
[02:08] <Palestine> human has changed a bit
[02:08] <Palestine> :P
[02:09] <Palestine> from 2 ages ago
[02:09] <LOShadows> yeah they have made some changes
[02:12] <LOShadows> anyway im gonna talk to other two and tell them to come here to talk to you if they want. meanwhile i think ive made my mind about it. I would like to give it a good try if you guys want to give me the opportunity. so if you need anything from me plz let me know
[02:12] <Palestine> ok
[02:12] <Palestine> I think we're very like minded in our goals
[02:12] <Palestine> so I agree
[02:12] <Palestine> if your boys have the same attitude towards the game it can work
[02:12] <Palestine> honestly, if you just paste-bin this convo to them it'd save them a lot of time
[02:13] <LOShadows> okay I will do that
[02:13] <Palestine> so when they talk to tea or the others they know what to expect
[02:13] <Palestine> honestly not sure why you would pick us, I mean
[02:13] <Palestine> we're coordinated
[02:13] <Palestine> but we haven't crowned in years
[02:13] <Palestine> granted we have fun
[02:14] <Palestine> and we're no ghetto
[02:14] <Palestine> but meh
[02:14] <Palestine> whatever floats your boat I guess :P
[02:16] <LOShadows> haha well I think i can play with a good kd here and play the game the way it was meant to and have a lot of fun
[02:34] <LOShadows> anyway, when do you think you can give me a definite answer on when i can start?
[02:34] <Palestine> once we're talked to your other guys
[02:34] <Palestine> you have to also delete your other prov and wait 24 hours to be invited elsewhere
[02:34] <Palestine> if you use same e-mail
[02:35] <Palestine> if have an alternate
[02:35] <Palestine> you start right away
[02:35] <LOShadows> okay I can use an alternate email
[02:35] <Palestine> and since you come in as a group, you're kind of responsible for each other
[02:36] <Palestine> it's actually better that way though since you're playing with friends
[02:36] <Palestine> friends usually push each other
[02:38] <LOShadows> ok yeah i will talk to them tomorrow morning
[02:38] <LOShadows> ima email the policies you said before to them tonight
[02:38] <Palestine> k
[02:38] <Palestine> if you need anything else I"m on a lot
[02:39] <Palestine> if I"m not, tea is
[02:39] <Palestine> we have a lot of people idling
[02:39] <LOShadows> k...did you want me to get the invite
[02:39] <Palestine> anyone with & or ~ is best to talk to
[02:39] <Palestine> but so are the
[02:39] <Palestine> @
[02:40] <LOShadows> k
[02:40] <LOShadows> who do you want me to send the invite to once i buy it?
[02:41] <Palestine> what do you mean?
[02:41] <Palestine> oh
[02:41] <Palestine> yeah
[02:41] <Palestine> me
[02:41] <Palestine> lol
[02:41] <Palestine> I guess I can give you our loc
[02:41] <Palestine> because I pretty much have to
[02:41] <LOShadows> hehe yeah i gotta send it to ya
[02:41] <Palestine> Backlash (4:2)
[02:43] <Palestine> omg we're too big again :(
[02:43] <LOShadows> k im gonna get the invite in a few mins and have it sent to you
[02:43] <Palestine> in the 50's for land and nw with fewer provs lol
[02:44] <LOShadows> my current prov is at 10:40
[02:45] <LOShadows> so are the other 2
[02:45] <LOShadows> if you wanna look
[02:45] <Palestine> I'm guessing you 3 are the big ones
[02:45] <Palestine> :P
[02:46] <LOShadows> yeah
[02:47] <LOShadows> ugh its gonna suck starting from 0 lol
[02:48] <Palestine> yes
[02:49] <Palestine> but you'll have help
[02:49] <Palestine> the reset sucks nuts
[02:49] <Palestine> even if your other prov was invited it resets
[02:52] <LOShadows> yeah i know
[02:52] <Palestine> earlier this age we invited in a dwarf sage
[02:52] <Palestine> poor guy already had 450 bpa
[02:52] <Palestine> had to start over
[02:53] <Palestine> and having lost out on the free books from our last 2 wars will definitely put you guys behind a bit
[02:54] <LOShadows> yeah
[02:55] <Palestine> I did give the prov I just killed
[02:55] <Palestine> a chance to retain and defect
[02:55] <Palestine> but he didn't
[02:55] <Palestine> his loss
[02:57] <LOShadows> i see. i just bought the invite...but it doesnt show on my inventory
[02:57] <LOShadows> not yet anyway...hopefully soon lol
[02:57] <Palestine> it will actually show as credits usually
[02:57] <Palestine> 40 of them
[02:57] <Palestine> or whatever
[02:57] <Palestine> get your buddies in here bofore you send anything
[02:57] <Palestine> and finalize it
[02:58] <Palestine> I don't want people deleting provs and stuff prematurely
[02:58] <Palestine> no matter how sure we might be
[02:58] <Palestine> once it's done, it can't be undone
[02:59] <LOShadows> okay
[02:59] <LOShadows> yeah it showed up as credit
[02:59] <LOShadows> anyway so i will talk to them and come back here tomorrow morning to talk to you
[02:59] <LOShadows> and we can finalize thing
[02:59] <LOShadows> s
[03:00] <Palestine> I have a lot of class tomorrow
[03:00] <Palestine> and I'm gonna be short on sleep
[03:00] <Palestine> but I'll try to be around
[03:00] <Palestine> thursdays are long
[03:00] <Palestine> it's 3 am and I haven't head home from work yet
[03:00] <Palestine> and i have class at 930
[03:00] <LOShadows> that sucks. when would be a good time you think you may have some time to spare?
[03:01] <Palestine> I'll be on my comp all day while in class
[03:01] <Palestine> until my lab at like 1
[03:01] <Palestine> actually, lab is noon
[03:01] <Palestine> so 10 your time
[03:02] <Palestine> then I"m done by 330 or so
[03:02] <Palestine> central time
[03:02] <Palestine> I'm from Iowa
[03:02] <LOShadows> ok so around 1:30 my time
[03:02] <LOShadows> alright
[03:02] <LOShadows> i will probably come after your done. that gives me time to talk to other two
[03:02] <Palestine> ok
[03:02] <Palestine> sounds like a plan
[03:02] <LOShadows> anyway. thanks for your time. i know you must be really tired
[03:03] <Palestine> meh
[03:03] <Palestine> not done with homework yet
[03:03] <Palestine> I don't need much sleep
[03:03] <LOShadows> that sucks. aight man i will let you get to work. i will talk to you tomorrow.
[03:04] <Palestine> nn
[03:04] <Palestine> later
[03:04] <LOShadows> lates