post-match chat w triangles

[18:13] +Triangles: 8 SpA Gengar Ice Punch vs. 0 HP / 148 SpD Salamence: 278-328 (83.9 - 99%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Leftovers recovery
[18:13] +Triangles: hm so depending on the roll
[18:13] +Disaster Area: hmm yea
[18:13] +Disaster Area: altho i had the ttar in the back to work with
[18:13] +Triangles: if you killed mence after sand
[18:13] +Disaster Area: fwiw
[18:13] +Disaster Area: its a pursuit tar
[18:13] +Triangles: then don couldnt kill pert
[18:13] +Triangles: yeah figured it was pursuit that was why i stayed with zap
[18:13] +Triangles: but it was purs slide
[18:13] +Disaster Area: ah
[18:14] +Disaster Area: i thought u made that play just to be sure i wasnt dd
[18:14] +Disaster Area: lol
[18:14] +Disaster Area: but either way works
[18:14] +Triangles: hm yeah
[18:14] +Triangles: nah
[18:14] +Triangles: you woj
[18:14] +Disaster Area: tbh i dont usually
[18:14] +Triangles: won
[18:14] +Disaster Area: run rock slide
[18:14] +Disaster Area: on pursuit tar
[18:14] +Disaster Area: but i saw u run a lot of regice or something so i was like
[18:14] +Disaster Area: just in case
[18:14] +Disaster Area: lol
[18:14] +Triangles: my only winning scenario
[18:14] +Triangles: was
[18:15] +Triangles: low roll ice punch into me dding
[18:15] +Disaster Area: yeah
[18:15] +Triangles: into high roll eq
[18:15] +Triangles: or full para
[18:15] +Disaster Area: or the scenario which played out
[18:15] +Triangles: but in actual fact
[18:15] +Triangles: i wouldnt of dd'd in the game
[18:15] +Triangles: because i didnt know gar spread
[18:15] +Triangles: so actually it was a full para to win me the game
[18:15] +Disaster Area: mm so i guess i had ~70%ish odds
[18:15] +Disaster Area: to win
[18:16] +Disaster Area: im not sure but anyway it was a fun one im glad that
[18:16] +Disaster Area: my first time against u
[18:16] +Disaster Area: i came so close
[18:16] +Disaster Area: using a team of my own style etc
[18:16] +Triangles: word man
[18:16] +Triangles: you played well
[18:16] +Disaster Area: thx
[18:16] +Triangles: the gar on boom was a smart move
[18:17] +Disaster Area: its not my main meta but ive dipped in and out so much
[18:17] +Disaster Area: last yr linear used a variant of one of my teams in spl in the last week
[18:17] +Disaster Area: i like to build
[18:17] +Disaster Area: lol
[18:17] +Disaster Area: hopefully if i keep this up i should pick up some wins this tour haha
[18:18] +Disaster Area: i love ls zap haha taking
[18:18] +Disaster Area: 40% from a tbolt w skarm
[18:18] +Disaster Area: is funny
[18:18] +Disaster Area: altho i didnt play around mag properly and let skarm get trapped after all that
[18:19] +Triangles: wait actually i just realised
[18:19] +Triangles: i think
[18:20] +Triangles: rhydon was optimal into gar at the end if meta didnt crit
[18:20] +Triangles: because you showed bolt and wow
[18:20] +Triangles: which means no grass move usually
[18:20] +Disaster Area: yea
[18:20] +Disaster Area: idk if showing wisp was smart or bad there
[18:20] +Disaster Area: i will note that actually i do sometimes run wisp+grass move cos im a weirdo but
[18:20] +Triangles: well yeah wow grass is normal
[18:20] +Triangles: but not with tbolt
[18:20] +Disaster Area: yea
[18:20] +Disaster Area: i mean sometimes i run
[18:21] +Disaster Area: tauntwisp grass fire
[18:21] +Disaster Area: which is unusual but also would not have won for me there anyway so
[18:21] +Disaster Area: whats the calcs regarding rhydon/gar there
[18:21] +Triangles: well actually fire would of killed meta outright
[18:21] +Triangles: so yeah
[18:21] +Triangles: lol
[18:21] +Disaster Area: yea lol
[18:21] +Triangles: 8 SpA Gengar Ice Punch vs. 72 HP / 0 SpD Rhydon: 256-302 (69.3 - 81.8%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Leftovers recovery
[18:21] +Disaster Area: yea i guess thats probably the right play then
[18:21] +Triangles: so yeah your play was to burn the rhydon actually i think
[18:22] +Triangles: not sure
[18:22] +Disaster Area: yea i think ur right
[18:22] +Disaster Area: tbh im not sure i even won w/o the meta crit playin it out
[18:22] +Disaster Area: thinking about the rhydon etc to deal with i mean
[18:22] +Disaster Area: gar cant ohko anything without sand
[18:22] +Disaster Area: and its only taking 2 hits total
[18:23] +Triangles: well hmm, if meta dies then you hit wow on rhydon
[18:23] +Disaster Area: pert can beat lastmon mence given its hp but otherwise my stuff is not doing the job
[18:23] +Disaster Area: im pretty much certain rhydon outspeeds pert and tar
[18:23] +Triangles: then you can go pert and kill rhydon
[18:23] +Triangles: yeah rhydon did outspeed pert
[18:23] +Triangles: and tar was parad
[18:23] +Disaster Area: tar would be outsped even w/o para tbf
[18:23] +Disaster Area: both are -spe nature
[18:24] +Triangles: yeah
[18:24] +Triangles: ok it depended on if your rock slide could kill 0 hp mence
[18:24] +Triangles: from tar
[18:24] +Triangles: which i doubt from a pursuittar
[18:24] +Disaster Area: given that tar had no atk investment
[18:24] +Disaster Area: i would guess not
[18:24] +Triangles: yeah
[18:25] +Triangles: ye it survives
[18:25] +Disaster Area: welp
[18:25] +Disaster Area: looks like meta crit didnt matter after all then haha
[18:25] +Disaster Area: maybe i had to go pert instead of gar
[18:25] +Disaster Area: vs meta
[18:25] +Disaster Area: pert can ohko all 3 mons
[18:25] +Disaster Area: but i have to predict
[18:25] +Triangles: hm yeah pert might of been right
[18:25] +Disaster Area: but might be better odds
[18:26] +Disaster Area: given the gar situ doesnt seem
[18:26] +Disaster Area: like a winning one
[18:26] +Disaster Area: i think tho then wouldnt
[18:26] +Disaster Area: rhydon just clean up
[18:26] +Disaster Area: like even if meta just stays in
[18:26] +Disaster Area: protects and eqs
[18:27] +Triangles: nah because gar is healthy at that point
[18:27] +Disaster Area: oh i guess yea
[18:28] +Disaster Area: and i guess going tar doesnt do me any good really... it's kinda setup bait for mence and idk if its bringing rhydon into ice punch range
[18:28] +Triangles: well it is if it has crunch
[18:29] +Disaster Area: yea it does
[18:29] +Triangles: but the question is whether it survives an eq from where it was
[18:29] +Triangles: rhydon is really strong
[18:29] +Disaster Area: it is i know i was just
[18:29] +Triangles: but i think it does most of the time
[18:29] +Disaster Area: using it a lot
[18:29] +Disaster Area: in rby
[18:29] +Disaster Area: haha
[18:29] +Disaster Area: https://pokepast.es/d0638f6ae71651d6 thats my whole team btw ^^
[18:29] +Disaster Area: did u prep at all
[18:29] +Disaster Area: i went thru the replay scouter on myself just to see what would come up
[18:30] +Disaster Area: it looks normal enough until u see umbreon as 4th most used mon and ttar at only ~33% usage overall
[18:30] +Disaster Area: xD
[18:30] +Triangles: i had the team in my builder from before but i picked it out because i thought it would do good vs your typical stuff
[18:31] +Disaster Area: hm interesting what makes it good vs me ... I can see how rhydon is nice in some ways
[18:32] +Triangles: honestly, rhydon is very good at switching into umbreon and setting up on it
[18:32] +Disaster Area: for me i noticed most of the stuff u used was fairly typical phys off stuff so I went with something im comfortable with that handles that stuff fairly well
[18:32] +Triangles: and that is why i thought it would be fun
[18:32] +Triangles: lol yeah
[18:32] +Disaster Area: yeah :p
[18:32] +Triangles: that team was the same 6 that kushalos bought vs me in wcop
[18:32] +Triangles: fwiw
[18:32] +Disaster Area: i know u and i both like the spicy stuff
[18:32] +Disaster Area: haha
[18:32] +Disaster Area: ya its not the most original setup albeit
[18:32] +Disaster Area: i love ls zap
[18:32] +Triangles: nothing wrong with the tried and true
[18:32] +Disaster Area: so thats why i use that sort of thing a lot
[18:32] +Disaster Area: yea
[18:32] +Triangles: it is OverUsed for a reason
[18:32] +Disaster Area: also focus punch pert ive been on for ages
[18:33] +Disaster Area: but i only made this variant a couple days ago i had slightly diff tar/pert before
[18:33] +Disaster Area: i guess mence is a nice pick vs me too since
[18:33] +Disaster Area: when i dont run stall
[18:33] +Disaster Area: good chance there's a machamp
[18:33] +Disaster Area: lol
[18:34] +Triangles: yo dude you know the turn where i was taking ages on it
[18:34] +Triangles: your dug vs my meta
[18:34] +Disaster Area: yeah
[18:34] +Triangles: i was thinking whether to
[18:34] +Triangles: just let meta die and not kill dug
[18:34] +Disaster Area: ah
[18:34] +Triangles: on the presumption your gar was offensive
[18:34] +Disaster Area: to set up mence
[18:34] +Triangles: but in the end
[18:34] +Triangles: i figured
[18:34] +Triangles: defensive gar was more likely
[18:35] +Disaster Area: i use defensive gar on most teams
[18:35] +Disaster Area: unless its some kind of spec offense
[18:35] +Disaster Area: which looks very different from me
[18:35] +Triangles: and anyway the only move that 100% didnt kill dug
[18:35] +Triangles: was protect
[18:35] +Triangles: and if i fail a double prot on your eq
[18:35] +Triangles: and you switch out
[18:35] +Disaster Area: ive been using an articuno offense lately
[18:35] +Disaster Area: it's very fun
[18:35] +Triangles: then im fucked
[18:35] +Triangles: so i just killed the dug
[18:35] +Disaster Area: ahh
[18:35] +Triangles: lol
[18:35] +Triangles: what cuno set is it
[18:35] +Disaster Area: agility ice beam hp grass roar
[18:35] +Disaster Area: its got spikes and boomgar and dug and stuff
[18:35] +Disaster Area: its a nice team
[18:36] +Disaster Area: https://pokepast.es/8dfd7a0fbcccfbeb
[18:36] +Disaster Area: still playing around with the 4th on jolt
[18:36] +Disaster Area: got wish atm but idk what i want there tbh
[18:37] +Disaster Area: also, could use an endpert here instead of the pert im using i guess
[18:37] +Disaster Area: i like how this set functions against bliss more tho
[18:37] +Triangles: i dislike the lack of a water resist on that team
[18:37] +Triangles: but it is workable
[18:37] +Triangles: if you can get star into dug range and trap it early
[18:37] +Triangles: the cuno set is pretty cool
[18:38] +Disaster Area: yea i think the probelm is more cune than anything i guess
[18:38] +Disaster Area: yea cuno is underexplored cos like
[18:38] +Disaster Area: idk everyone assumes
[18:38] +Disaster Area: it should always be resttalk
[18:38] +Disaster Area: and then resttalk died
[18:38] +Disaster Area: so everyones like
[18:38] +Disaster Area: cuno sucks
[18:38] +Disaster Area: meanwhile
[18:38] +Disaster Area: it gets agility, heal bell, roar
[18:38] +Disaster Area: and ice stab owns everything that's not grounded so it has great synergy w spikes
[18:38] +Triangles: heal bell restalk is actually quite interesting
[18:38] +Disaster Area: and it has high stats all around and is ground immune and so on it just has
[18:38] +Disaster Area: so many nice attributes
[18:38] +Disaster Area: yea
[18:38] +Disaster Area: its biggest downside is not doing that much defensively
[18:39] +Disaster Area: owns pert tho quite well
[18:39] +Disaster Area: agility is nice given aero star etc
[18:39] +Triangles: one thing i dislike about articuno
[18:39] +Disaster Area: btw i came up w an interesting set the other day
[18:39] +Triangles: is how freely meta gets in to it
[18:39] +Disaster Area: yea that is a problem
[18:39] +Disaster Area: tho this team has skarm dug pert so
[18:39] +Triangles: yeah
[18:39] +Triangles: was gonna say
[18:39] +Disaster Area: but yea its annoying
[18:39] +Triangles: that that is well placed
[18:39] +Disaster Area: agiligross is probably the teams
[18:40] +Disaster Area: least fave thing to see
[18:40] +Disaster Area: since its kept around late
[18:40] +Disaster Area: jirachi is similarly annoying
[18:40] +Disaster Area: btw so this set i was thinking of
[18:40] +Disaster Area: u know how theres a lot of stuff like
[18:41] +Disaster Area: refresh milo pert etc and defensive rachis
[18:41] +Disaster Area: goin around
[18:41] +Disaster Area: a really fun way to shit on those mons
[18:41] +Disaster Area: is dd refresh mence
[18:41] +Disaster Area: but a bit difficult to build with
[18:41] +Disaster Area: also good vs moltres... lol
[18:41] +Triangles: lol bro
[18:41] +Disaster Area: its an interesting idea but ive not made it work so far but though i'd throw it ur way
[18:41] +Triangles: i have
[18:41] +Triangles: a team
[18:41] +Triangles: with refresh special mence
[18:41] +Disaster Area: lol is this gonna be like
[18:41] +Disaster Area: ohh
[18:42] +Disaster Area: haha
[18:42] +Disaster Area: linear suggested me to try that instead on
[18:42] +Triangles: but dd refresh is also fun
[18:42] +Disaster Area: one team i made trying refresh dd
[18:42] +Disaster Area: haha for a sec i thought tho
[18:42] +Triangles: shame about zap and aero weak tho
[18:42] +Disaster Area: u were gonna be like
[18:42] +Disaster Area: u have a team w dd refresh mence
[18:42] +Disaster Area: and it would be like
[18:42] +Disaster Area: when asta used sing bliss
[18:42] +Disaster Area: i had made that
[18:42] +Disaster Area: independently
[18:42] +Disaster Area: a couple days before he unleashed it
[18:42] +Disaster Area: and was speaking to him
[18:42] +Disaster Area: and mentioned the set
[18:42] +Disaster Area: haha
[18:43] +Disaster Area: before he had used it i mean
[18:43] +Triangles: lol word
[18:43] +Disaster Area: but after we had both made teams w it independently
[18:43] +Disaster Area: refresh ddmence doesnt have to be hp flying btw i mean
[18:43] +Disaster Area: rock slide has different issues
[18:43] +Disaster Area: u get aero and zap that way tho
[18:43] +Disaster Area: but then u have flygon claydol to worry about
[18:43] +Triangles: gengar is a big big issue for flyingless ddmence
[18:43] +Disaster Area: ahh
[18:43] +Triangles: and gon dol too ye
[18:43] +Disaster Area: yea gar is annoying to but thats a trappable mon
[18:44] +Disaster Area: actually umbreon traps 2/3 of those mons
[18:44] +Disaster Area: lol
[18:44] +Disaster Area: just need something creative to catch flygon
[18:44] +Disaster Area: :p
[18:44] +Triangles: lol word
[18:44] +Triangles: anyways am off
[18:44] +Triangles: making some dinner
[18:44] +Triangles: pce
[18:44] +Disaster Area: ok altho
[18:44] +Disaster Area: i will paste
[18:44] +Disaster Area: this idea i have
[18:44] +Disaster Area: via disc
[18:44] +Disaster Area: w that mence
[18:44] +Disaster Area: pce