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Perfection and Continuous Improvement

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  1. [5:50:12 PM] Spi: Me and Dazer were talking about a concept called enlightenment. The Buddhist philosophy on it. What are your thoughts on it?
  2. [5:50:29 PM] Kevin Laurier: BS
  3. [5:51:07 PM] Spi: Haha, do you want to elaborate? Thanks for your straightforward opinion XD
  4. [5:51:46 PM] Kevin Laurier: From what I understand of it they basically promote the annihilation of the self
  5. [5:52:23 PM] Kevin Laurier: Total equilibrium to end suffering... meaning you end everything else too
  6. [5:53:22 PM] Spi: Ah, so you probably believe that to become perfect, we need to have our sense of self and individuality?
  7. [5:54:36 PM] Kevin Laurier: Perfect according to what?
  8. [5:55:19 PM] Spi: In feelings where you're so inspired, that it invalidates all other feelngs of suffering, shame, and regret.
  9. [5:55:40 PM] Kevin Laurier: What does that have to do with perfection?
  10. [5:56:39 PM] Spi: I'm not sure how to answer that. Can you answer it for me?
  11. [5:57:43 PM] Kevin Laurier: Where do you get those assumptions from?
  12. [5:58:57 PM] Spi: I know you don't want to hear about my spirit world situations anymore... but I dreamed of working with the Eternians. Being with them would make me so happy, but I'm left separated from them. So the feelings I get are longing for that experience, and I'm currently trying to seek the meaning of the physical to find a feeling to replace that rapturous feeling where I'm with my star family.
  13. [6:00:14 PM] Spi: I don't know if I'll be able to find an inspiration in the physical where I'll be able to trump that feeling.
  14. [6:00:24 PM] Kevin Laurier: I still don't think that has anything to do with perfection... nor with Buddhism
  15. [6:00:52 PM] Kevin Laurier: It seems to me that Buddhist enlightenment would do the exact opposite
  16. [6:01:48 PM] Spi: I keep imagining that is the perfection of life's miracles though.
  17. [6:02:21 PM] Spi: Buddhist enlightenment said by Dazer, he said that's what I sound like I'm seeking, even though it's probably not.
  18. [6:03:12 PM] Kevin Laurier: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enlightenment_in_Buddhism?wprov=sfla1
  19. [6:04:06 PM] Spi: What do you think the star family alliance would mean then? If not perfection? You said it has nothing to do with perfection, which makes me curious how you view it.
  20. [6:04:09 PM] Spi: Reading...
  21. [6:04:42 PM] Kevin Laurier: Perfection is relative to a choisi
  22. [6:04:46 PM] Kevin Laurier: Goal
  23. [6:05:00 PM] Spi: Choisi? Choices you mean?
  24. [6:05:05 PM] Kevin Laurier: No goal
  25. [6:05:26 PM] Spi: Oh.
  26. [6:05:45 PM] Spi: Hmm...
  27. [6:06:40 PM] Spi: Can you explain how perfection relates to goals? Do you mean like acquiring your dream?
  28. [6:07:03 PM] Kevin Laurier: Perfection means nothing to me
  29. [6:08:59 PM] Spi: Well, I believe in perfection. That's why I dream big, and one day I want to fulfill my dreams.
  30. [6:09:32 PM] Kevin Laurier: Well what does it mean to you?
  31. [6:09:52 PM] Kevin Laurier: To me all it means is a state where nothing can be improved
  32. [6:10:32 PM] Spi: It means living a state where you live with new changes that improves you each and every day. Like having a creative project that has new ideas and you can continually expand it. That's what it means to me.
  33. [6:10:48 PM] Spi: Oh. I see.
  34. [6:11:03 PM] Kevin Laurier: To me your definition is the complete opposite of perfection
  35. [6:11:16 PM] Spi: What is this definition then?
  36. [6:11:53 PM] Kevin Laurier: Continuous improvement and perfection are mutually exclusive
  37. [6:12:10 PM] Kevin Laurier: They are conceptually orthogonal
  38. [6:12:22 PM] Spi: Very interesting.
  39. [6:13:08 PM] Spi: Yeah, I dream that one day I have a meaning that's so profound that each time I visit it, there's always something new in it.
  40. [6:13:36 PM] Kevin Laurier: Again that's contradictory
  41. [6:13:48 PM] Spi: ?
  42. [6:15:10 PM] Kevin Laurier: If a single meaning gives you an infinity of different insights then how can it possibly be one meaning, or have any meaning... it's so nebulous that you can come up with an infinity of different ways of interpreting it
  43. [6:16:42 PM] Spi: True. I just want something from the physical to replace my love for the Eternians. I know if I worked with them, that meaning(s) I share with them is what would bring me continuous improvement. So I'm trying to find stuff in the physical to replace that feeling.
  44. [6:19:36 PM | Edited 6:20:01 PM] Spi: Phantasy Star Online and Phantasy Star Online 2 is a game that always have new stuff in it. Though it's pretty deep in meaning.
  45. [6:19:44 PM] Spi: I make a lot of friends on it.
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