TonySnark is sometimes terrible at reason

9:38:46 AM+CloverwindQuickdanceTonySnark: How do you like the procedures involved in passing that tax bill?
9:39:40 AM+TonySnarkI probably wouldn't like them if I studied them .. but I don't pay close attention to how Congress "runs" itself.
9:40:11 AM+CloverwindQuickdanceThey have ambiguous lines through pages that may or may not be cross outs.
9:40:29 AM+CloverwindQuickdanceAnd they passed the 479-page bill about 2 hours after it was completed.
9:40:41 AM+TonySnarkI also have not studied the tax bill. I'm sure that both "sides" have their own hyperbole about it.
9:40:53 AM+CloverwindQuickdanceWhat?
9:40:58 AM+TonySnarkBut being Libertarian means I'd lay a high probability on my not liking it.
9:41:14 AM+CloverwindQuickdanceOne of your first responses is that 'both' sides have their hyperbole about it?
9:41:26 AM+CloverwindQuickdanceThat seems like some whataboutism.
9:41:27 AM+TonySnarkYes.
9:41:43 AM+TonySnarkNo, it's not whataboutism.
9:41:58 AM+TonySnarkIt's "they both suck and I don't care about either of them"
9:42:07 AM+CloverwindQuickdanceOne is unimaginably worse than the other.
9:42:09 AM+TonySnarkVinnick gets his drilling.
9:42:12 AM+CloverwindQuickdanceThe other is just merely bad.
9:42:22 AM+TonySnarkI can't agree with that assessment.
9:42:42 AM+CloverwindQuickdanceAlright, let's explore your worldview a bit.
9:42:43 AM+TonySnarkBoth "sides" of the duopoly have played the same games for decades.
9:42:50 AM+CloverwindQuickdanceBetween the GOP and Democrats, which part is worse?
9:43:02 AM+TonySnarkBoth of them need to be routed out of DC
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9:43:13 AM+CloverwindQuickdanceAgreed.
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9:43:21 AM+CloverwindQuickdanceSo, they're both sufficiently bad.
9:43:23 AM+TonySnarkNeither of them serves we the people. Both of them serve the interests of the elite.
9:43:23 AM+CloverwindQuickdanceWhich is worse?
9:44:17 AM+TonySnarkI'm not sure either is worse .. they each necessitate the other. "Bad cop worse cop", and they keep switching that batting order.
9:44:56 AM+TonySnarkTrump is a symptom of the disease, and Dems are as much the disease as GOPs are.
9:45:29 AM+CloverwindQuickdancehttps://www.dailykos.com/stories/2017/1/11/1619079/-Comparing-Presidential-Administrations-by-Arrest...
9:46:00 AM+TonySnarkcommie: I know you prefer a lampstand and strong rope, but I'd rather try to have a nation wide discussion about what is going to happen, and maybe try to avoid such violence.
9:46:03 AM+CloverwindQuickdanceSince 1968, average imprisonments per year for the executive, by party:
9:46:10 AM+CloverwindQuickdanceDemocrat: 0.05
9:46:15 AM+CloverwindQuickdanceRepublican 1.15
9:46:19 AM+CloverwindQuickdance1.21*
9:46:27 AM+CloverwindQuickdance24.2x
9:46:40 AM+CloverwindQuickdanceThis is a strong piece of evidence to refute the notion the parts are about the same.
9:47:14 AM+CloverwindQuickdanceHave you seen correlations between being in control of House/Senate/Executive, by party?
9:47:32 AM+CloverwindQuickdanceThere are depressions or recessions every time it was the GOP, going back to the 1920s.
9:48:00 AM+TonySnarkCloverwindQuickdance: except that concentrates on the executive, not Congress. And while slower, and with more inertia, Congress still carries much more power than the executive does.
9:48:07 AM+CloverwindQuickdanceThe Democrat Party is merely a semi-corrupt party that somewhat serves the people and somewhat serves the corporate interests.
9:48:21 AM+TonySnarkCloverwindQuickdance: also - how many *were* arrested is a vastly different metric from how many *should* be arrested.
9:48:23 AM+CloverwindQuickdanceThe GOP, since about 1996, has evolved into a fascist, racist, oligarchic, semi-death cult.
9:48:33 AM+TonySnarkSemi corrupt?? Serves the people??
9:48:38 AM+TonySnarkNo and fuck no.
9:48:46 AM+TonySnarkFuck no and fuck-all no.
9:48:48 AM+CloverwindQuickdanceTonySnark: The Democrats passed the ACA.
9:48:54 AM+TonySnarkThat's plainly absurd.
9:49:04 AM+TonySnarkThe ACA is shitful legislation.
9:49:16 AM+CloverwindQuickdanceTonySnark: The ACA improved healthcare in the USA.
9:49:31 AM+CloverwindQuickdanceAnd it did so with through the GOP "seeing Obama is a one term president is the highest goal of the GOP"
9:49:41 AM+CloverwindQuickdance(Those words were uttered by Mitch McConnell on the floor of the Senate)
9:49:51 AM+TonySnarkI do not agree that it improved healthcare.
9:49:56 AM+CloverwindQuickdanceWhat?
9:50:23 AM+TonySnarkOnly the noose matters!
9:50:24 AM+CloverwindQuickdanceDo you agree many people who weren't insured and now insured?
9:50:55 AM+CloverwindQuickdanceIf so, what harm overrides that?
9:51:10 AM+CloverwindQuickdanceOverall, the Congressional Budget Office (CBO) estimates that federal deficits will grow by $137 billion from 2016 to 2025 if the ACA were repealed.
9:51:15 AM+CloverwindQuickdanceIt saved money
9:51:18 AM+CloverwindQuickdancehttps://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2016/08/160830130828.htm
9:52:05 AM+CloverwindQuickdanceExpanded coverage has led to better access to a physician among all income groups. Although the proportion without a regular source of care decreased from 29.8 percent in 2013 to 26 percent in 2014, almost 40 percent of respondents still had at least one access problem.
9:52:09 AM@Infradeadhttps://scontent-ort2-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/24176701_1043817609091921_7512568189583968634_n.jpg?oh...
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9:52:51 AM+CloverwindQuickdanceInfradead: America failed, unless there's a blue wave in 2018 and a progressive as the next president.
9:53:00 AM+TonySnarkCloverwindQuickdance: is being insured the same as having health care?
9:53:28 AM+CloverwindQuickdanceThere is probably a very tight coupling, yes
9:53:45 AM+CloverwindQuickdanceI'd guess above 0.93
9:54:03 AM+TonySnarkHaving a piece of paper saying you have a doctor.
9:54:13 AM+CloverwindQuickdanceSo, you dispute more people have access to health care
9:54:16 AM+TonySnarkIs that piece of paper the same as that doctor DOING things for you?
9:54:41 AM+CloverwindQuickdanceThis is a very strange line of argumentation
9:54:47 AM+CloverwindQuickdanceAnd is almost certain to fail
9:55:14 AM+CloverwindQuickdanceYou've now staked out a position that, sure, maybe 15 million Americans now how have health insurance, when they previously didn't, but that doesn't mean they have access to healthcare!
9:55:17 AM+TonySnark[e], that is his only toy to chew on though.
9:55:26 AM+CloverwindQuickdanceI estimate you have less than a 3% chance of succeeding with this line of argumentation.
9:55:28 AM+TonySnarkYou want to take away his only toy?
9:55:47 AM+TonySnarkCloverwindQuickdance: okay, then we're done. For now.
9:56:11 AM Ignoring TonySnark!*@*
9:56:19 AM+CloverwindQuickdanceTonySnark: You're in one of your moods.
9:56:25 AM+CloverwindQuickdanceI think it's a good idea for us to end our conversation.
9:56:33 AM+CloverwindQuickdanceYou cannot stop with your terrible quality of reasoning.
9:56:36 AM+CloverwindQuickdanceYou do this from time to time.
9:57:01 AM+CloverwindQuickdanceI provide evidence of a 24x differential in rates of imprisonment from the executive.
9:57:05 AM+CloverwindQuickdanceYour response: What about the Congress!
9:57:49 AM+CloverwindQuickdanceI provide evidence that at least 10 million Americans gained health insurance as a result of the ACA
9:57:57 AM+CloverwindQuickdanceI ask you, What harm overrides that benefit?
9:58:11 AM+CloverwindQuickdanceYour response: Yes, sure, they have health insurance, but do *they have access to healthcare*?
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