Session Start: Fri Oct 29 12:22:09 2010
Session Ident: curdie
15[13:20] <JohnSnowstorm> [13:16] <Joerne> [14:10] <Chrissi> i think you better look at other top kingdoms, cause some council members were complaining how you left
15[13:20] <JohnSnowstorm> are you guys fuckin joking or what?
[13:20] <curdie> no
15[13:21] <JohnSnowstorm> this is clearly a personal issue youve taken with him
[13:21] <curdie> 3 seperate people in council have said no
15[13:21] <JohnSnowstorm> and i dont really like it
[13:21] <curdie> nothing to do with me
15[13:21] <JohnSnowstorm> yea on nonsense grounds
15[13:21] <JohnSnowstorm> who said no
15[13:21] <JohnSnowstorm> and on what grounds
[13:21] <curdie> ava
15[13:21] <JohnSnowstorm> joerne is 1) better than several players we have
15[13:21] <JohnSnowstorm> 2) served the kd for many ages playing very well
15[13:21] <JohnSnowstorm> this is a really shit way to treat a guy
15[13:22] <JohnSnowstorm> for the way he left once
[13:22] <curdie> its not even just that
[13:22] <curdie> ava had other issues too
15[13:22] <JohnSnowstorm> such as?
[13:22] <curdie> some people think he was unreliable
15[13:22] <JohnSnowstorm> unreliable one age?!
15[13:22] <JohnSnowstorm> AVA is one to talk
15[13:23] <JohnSnowstorm> age before last he was inactive as shit and had 120 bpa
15[13:23] <JohnSnowstorm> last age was marginally better.
15[13:23] <JohnSnowstorm> unreliable is a load of crap when youre talking about one age when i played with him for 4 ages before that and he never missed a wave
[13:25] <curdie> well dont take all this out on me
15[13:25] <JohnSnowstorm> ive talked to paragon, chrissi, you, and you all send me round to someone else
15[13:25] <JohnSnowstorm> and ava is never here
15[13:26] <JohnSnowstorm> and i know it cant be flogger since he never played with joe
15[13:26] <JohnSnowstorm> and i know youre voting against him
15[13:26] <JohnSnowstorm> seems all you guys just want to pass the buck, and no-one would even tell him till today and I knew about this shit for ages.
[13:27] <curdie> actually im pretty sure i could show you logs of me defending him and saying to give him another chance
15[13:27] <JohnSnowstorm> then who are the three that vote against him?
15[13:27] <JohnSnowstorm> ava?
[13:27] <curdie> but ofc you would refuse to believe that
15[13:27] <JohnSnowstorm> trooneh? - lol joerne is better than trooneh
[13:27] <curdie> we had a council meet last week
15[13:27] <JohnSnowstorm> hint? - played with him for one bad age
[13:27] <curdie> or the week befor maybe
15[13:27] <JohnSnowstorm> goat? - perhaps
[13:28] <curdie> and he was actually a subject there
15[13:28] <JohnSnowstorm> well tell me who i need to talk to who i can actually talk to
[13:28] <curdie> goat possibly
15[13:28] <JohnSnowstorm> cause you have yet to give me a real reason
15[13:28] <JohnSnowstorm> jewbacca? dont make me laugh
15[13:28] <JohnSnowstorm> chrissi and paragon both claim theyre for him
15[13:28] <JohnSnowstorm> you claim youre for him
[13:29] <curdie> i probably said no at the time, as we had better options
15[13:29] <JohnSnowstorm> haha
15[13:29] <JohnSnowstorm> ofc you did.
[13:29] <curdie> but if i can be arsed to find them i do have logs saying he should be given secon chance
15[13:30] <JohnSnowstorm> well then why is the pervasive message from council that im getting is that he should go elsewhere?
[13:30] <curdie> but as i said, you will believe what you choose to believe
15[13:30] <JohnSnowstorm> cause ive got that message individually from 3 people
15[13:30] <JohnSnowstorm> curdie thats a load of crap
15[13:30] <JohnSnowstorm> dont try to make it sound like im talking crap because the facts remain
15[13:31] <JohnSnowstorm> and I have been told seperately by paragon and chrissi that the council decision is to reject him permanently
15[13:31] <JohnSnowstorm> even 3 people making this vote doesnt make sense
15[13:31] <JohnSnowstorm> how many are there on council
15[13:31] <JohnSnowstorm> is that a majority
15[13:31] <JohnSnowstorm> lets get some fucking clarity in here instead of just going "not my fault, not my fault" and sending me around ona  wild goose chase
[13:32] <curdie> im not sending you on any wild goose chase
15[13:32] <JohnSnowstorm> "dont put all this on me, talk to ava"
15[13:33] <JohnSnowstorm> etc etc
[13:33] <curdie> all im saying is that I alone dont make all the decisions here
[13:33] <curdie> and i never said talk to ava
15[13:34] <JohnSnowstorm> mentioned his objections enough while claiming youre on the other side of the argument
15[13:34] <JohnSnowstorm> facts is facts, youre on council, i expect somoene on council to be able to defend a so called council decision
[13:34] <curdie> well you claim that this is some 'personal vendetta' from me
15[13:35] <JohnSnowstorm> no i said its a decision made on personal grounds
15[13:35] <JohnSnowstorm> not reason and evidence
15[13:35] <JohnSnowstorm> and you have yet to supply reason or evidence
15[13:35] <JohnSnowstorm> so i stand by that claim entirely
[13:35] <curdie> Evidence, missing waves in the age he left (and age prior)
15[13:36] <JohnSnowstorm> you can claim unreliability all you like, but then you would have to judge the wohle kd by that standard
[13:36] <curdie> Leaving for 'summer'
15[13:36] <JohnSnowstorm> right then, thats ava out
15[13:36] <JohnSnowstorm> thats jewbacca out
15[13:36] <JohnSnowstorm> thats trooneh out
15[13:36] <JohnSnowstorm> thats me out
15[13:36] <JohnSnowstorm> that is not a reasoned argument as i have outlined
[13:36] <curdie> remenber joerne wasnt kicked here, he walked away
15[13:37] <JohnSnowstorm> remember neither was I or ava or trooneh or anyone else
15[13:37] <JohnSnowstorm> what the hell does that have to do with anything
15[13:37] <JohnSnowstorm> people need breaks
15[13:37] <JohnSnowstorm> you seem to be saying that "once inactive, always inactive"
15[13:37] <JohnSnowstorm> does that apply to me?
15[13:37] <JohnSnowstorm> have i been inactive this age?
[13:38] <curdie> not so far
15[13:38] <JohnSnowstorm> i take this as a serious issue.
15[13:40] <JohnSnowstorm> im going out for a while. I wouldseriously recommend you reconsider this issue.
[13:41] <curdie> i can bring it up with council again
[13:41] <JohnSnowstorm> do that
[13:41] <curdie> but if you want me to guarantee that i'll kick someone now and give joerne the next prov, i cant do that
[13:42] <JohnSnowstorm> thats never what i said
[13:42] <JohnSnowstorm> i want him on the list in line for a prov
[13:42] <JohnSnowstorm> as is only fair in deference to his ages of service and apparent keenness and activity
[13:43] <curdie> if that keenness continues then im sure that wont be a problem