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  1.  
  2. JUN 24 - 1:46PM
  3. nallax: Scrying for faction coins is so tedious, but is the fastest way to get them at the start of a game.
  4.  
  5. JUN 24 - 2:09PM
  6. Curunur: nah thats what excavs are for
  7.  
  8. JUN 24 - 2:20PM
  9. patitoguay: is there a calculator for building prices somewhere?
  10.  
  11. JUN 24 - 2:22PM
  12. G00FBALL: no but each building cost 1.15 more than the last
  13.  
  14. JUN 24 - 2:23PM
  15. patitoguay: i know, I just wanted to quickly check if reaching 16k swarming towers using the silk cloth build was actually reasonable or I should wait for a better RNG value
  16.  
  17. JUN 24 - 2:24PM
  18. JeremymiaGames: Hey, does anyone know if anything new was added for Rs below 100 in the last update or 2?
  19.  
  20. HolyLlamas2: free resets
  21.  
  22. HolyLlamas2: for excavs
  23.  
  24. JeremymiaGames: oh that's really convenient...
  25.  
  26. JUN 24 - 2:25PM
  27. G00FBALL: 3 pages
  28.  
  29. HolyLlamas2: yeah if you hit the reset button on excavs it has an option for free reset which requires a certain number of excavs
  30.  
  31. G00FBALL: http://musicfamily.org/realm/Changes/
  32.  
  33. G00FBALL: http://musicfamily.org/realm/Changelog/
  34.  
  35. G00FBALL: http://musicfamily.org/realm/Reincarnation/
  36.  
  37. G00FBALL: the latter is best i guess
  38.  
  39. JUN 24 - 2:27PM
  40. JeremymiaGames: Thanks muchly Holy and Goof
  41.  
  42. JUN 24 - 2:30PM
  43. shayner12: nearly r74
  44.  
  45. the_balrog: oh wow R93 was fast
  46.  
  47. G00FBALL: R120 :)
  48.  
  49. JUN 24 - 2:37PM
  50. Fugudaddy: gj!
  51.  
  52. JUN 24 - 2:38PM
  53. vsean: slows down pretty significantly around 95. especially if you don't have ragnarok and terror form the deep t6 spells
  54.  
  55. JUN 24 - 2:39PM
  56. vsean: btw goof, the problem with my dragonline angel build was definitely C340 of C400. that won't work at all in 114
  57.  
  58. vsean: i'm halfway to SS7 in a day and a half as opposed to 1/10th over the way in 5 days
  59.  
  60. karmazin: without r115 power it's probably too slow
  61.  
  62. vsean: yeah
  63.  
  64. JUN 24 - 2:40PM
  65. Anathah: C340 does work, it just takes a week.
  66.  
  67. JUN 24 - 2:42PM
  68. Anathah: but at R114 it isn't needed
  69.  
  70. JUN 24 - 2:43PM
  71. necrodoom: could finish a C340 set up in 3.5 days, no gifts
  72.  
  73. karmazin: (meanwhile angels at r116+ are trash, but I still need time with them for uniformity)
  74.  
  75. necrodoom: im going though R116, sadly have to leave for a week soon
  76.  
  77. Anathah: elfset? No 7 days with 80%+ online time
  78.  
  79. necrodoom: so il do a week of S400 and get some DL levels on the way
  80.  
  81. JUN 24 - 2:47PM
  82. johnharveybc: Some? Seems like it'd probably be just the one, unless you'd have enough FC to just outright buy it without hourglass...
  83.  
  84. JUN 24 - 2:48PM
  85. necrodoom: probably true, C250 growth is pretty nice though
  86.  
  87. necrodoom: maybe il abuse the S400 for other L30s
  88.  
  89. necrodoom: getting Rs is easy at this point anyway
  90.  
  91. JUN 24 - 2:49PM
  92. karmazin: after breaking a wall it's always easy till it's not ;)
  93.  
  94. JUN 24 - 2:50PM
  95. Anathah: if you keep abusing your S400 we're going to have to take it away from you
  96.  
  97. necrodoom: almost at drow UB2 unlock
  98.  
  99. JUN 24 - 2:53PM
  100. Lord_Lucien: ana, what are you sinking about?
  101.  
  102. JUN 24 - 3:26PM
  103. Lord_Lucien: does having 6x the gems give 6x the production or is more ocmplicated than that?
  104.  
  105. JUN 24 - 3:27PM
  106. joehypothetical: much more complicated
  107.  
  108. joehypothetical: *ocmplicated
  109.  
  110. necrodoom: if you dont count any other growth factor, then its 6x the prod, yes
  111.  
  112. JUN 24 - 3:29PM
  113. BigCyber: it also influences your fc find chance, some research, spells, faction buffs...
  114.  
  115. JUN 24 - 3:30PM
  116. Lord_Lucien: at least 6x more is a good answer too
  117.  
  118. necrodoom: the gem prod multiplier is by far the main boost
  119.  
  120. joehypothetical: good to know
  121.  
  122. JUN 24 - 3:31PM
  123. Lord_Lucien: Is A545 ever good? I mean what gem count do you need for it to be bette rthan...right now mine is 14% so say 50%
  124.  
  125. necrodoom: merc research phase
  126.  
  127. necrodoom: or late A0
  128.  
  129. JUN 24 - 3:33PM
  130. patitoguay: is grinding to e42 gems viable in R107?
  131.  
  132. Lord_Lucien: why would you go far over the necessary amount?
  133.  
  134. patitoguay: art of the crow
  135.  
  136. JUN 24 - 3:34PM
  137. patitoguay: to try to get enough swarming towers for the artifact
  138.  
  139. patitoguay: otherwise there's not gonna be low rng values for a long time
  140.  
  141. necrodoom: with goblin set you can pretty much grind dragonline druids
  142.  
  143. JUN 24 - 3:35PM
  144. Lord_Lucien: My instinct is to say it's possible, but I'm nowhere near that far along, so I can't say viable in a reasonable amount of time...
  145.  
  146. patitoguay: i'll try to grind dragonline then
  147.  
  148. patitoguay: i need to reach 16k swarming towers
  149.  
  150. Lord_Lucien: Or...whatever Necrodoom said.
  151.  
  152. patitoguay: i don't know how viable that is
  153.  
  154. necrodoom: 16k sounds pretty out there
  155.  
  156. Anathah: not really
  157.  
  158. necrodoom: means a 1/5000 value also
  159.  
  160. JUN 24 - 3:36PM
  161. Anathah: That doesn't sound like a small value
  162.  
  163. necrodoom: remember to use your free resets
  164.  
  165. patitoguay: it's actually the smallest value i'm gonna get in a while
  166.  
  167. patitoguay: and i'm saving the next value for the HG
  168.  
  169. necrodoom: you can get better chance for HG R111+
  170.  
  171. patitoguay: because then I'd just need 9e12 FC find chance
  172.  
  173. necrodoom: focus on getting all non-HG ones
  174.  
  175. JUN 24 - 3:37PM
  176. patitoguay: i'm only missing fairy, demon and elf
  177.  
  178. necrodoom: so you have 6 artifacts already?
  179.  
  180. patitoguay: yep
  181.  
  182. JUN 24 - 3:38PM
  183. necrodoom: get fairy/demon, elf needs just good gem prod
  184.  
  185. necrodoom: HG becomes far easier with R111+
  186.  
  187. patitoguay: okay then
  188.  
  189. JUN 24 - 3:39PM
  190. patitoguay: i was saving a 0'000009 value for the HG
  191.  
  192. necrodoom: thats all well and nice, but with R111+ you dont need that good of a value
  193.  
  194. necrodoom: plus many more free resets to spend
  195.  
  196. JUN 24 - 3:40PM
  197. patitoguay: okay then
  198.  
  199. necrodoom: youd need fairy artifact soon so its a good one to grab
  200.  
  201. patitoguay: then I'll get the fairy one first since I see a lot of builds using it
  202.  
  203. patitoguay: yep
  204.  
  205. patitoguay: I can get it next R in about 4000 excavations, so an easy grab
  206.  
  207. necrodoom: demon is more difficult but youd find a good value for it later too i guess
  208.  
  209. patitoguay: with 10k swarming towers*
  210.  
  211. JUN 24 - 3:41PM
  212. HarveyHippo: I'm doing the cloaked shady figure quest, Do I need 10,000 spells in a game or what, thanks for help.
  213.  
  214. patitoguay: thanks, necro!
  215.  
  216. necrodoom: this R
  217.  
  218. necrodoom: and np
  219.  
  220. Shinikane: Do autoclick count towards S270?
  221.  
  222. necrodoom: yes
  223.  
  224. Shinikane: thank god
  225.  
  226. necrodoom: autoclicks count as clicks for all purposes
  227.  
  228. JUN 24 - 3:42PM
  229. necrodoom: and unlike a lot of 'all purposes' tool tips, this one actually counts for all purposes
  230.  
  231. Shinikane: so half a million clicks. with elven bloodline and moon blessing that's like what
  232.  
  233. Shinikane: 8 hours
  234.  
  235. Shinikane: roughly
  236.  
  237. necrodoom: yep
  238.  
  239. JUN 24 - 3:43PM
  240. Lord_Lucien: Autoclicker it's 3 and a half, but then you can't use your computer for anything else.
  241.  
  242. Shinikane: worth getting it right away or should i hold off?
  243.  
  244. patitoguay: what does the drow lineage "time counts 100% more" actually count for?
  245.  
  246. patitoguay: now i'm curious
  247.  
  248. Lord_Lucien: I did it overnight at random, I don't think it's worth rushing.
  249.  
  250. JUN 24 - 3:44PM
  251. Lord_Lucien: wait isn't there one that's a million even after the half a million one or am I nuts?
  252.  
  253. necrodoom: there is a 1m one yes
  254.  
  255. necrodoom: C460
  256.  
  257. necrodoom: S270 wont be used this early either
  258.  
  259. Shinikane: so I'll wait to get both in one go
  260.  
  261. JUN 24 - 3:45PM
  262. Lord_Lucien: C460 is good for Elf NU builds, and I guess in theory any NU build if you use an autoclicker.
  263.  
  264. Shinikane: might as well
  265.  
  266. JUN 24 - 3:46PM
  267. HarveyHippo: oh thanks for the help, not
  268.  
  269. JUN 24 - 3:49PM
  270. Anathah: if you're still using an autoclicker with research... my question would be why
  271.  
  272. HolyLlamas2: is there any explanation anywhere of how to find the A2 artifacts? Im R106 and havent been anywhere close to finding any of them according to lara crypt except undead, which for whatever I cant get even when I'm sure I excavated fast enough
  273.  
  274. JUN 24 - 3:50PM
  275. necrodoom: http://musicfamily.org/realm/Artifacts/
  276.  
  277. necrodoom: they are quite more rare than normal artifacts, so without planning ahead you wont get much
  278.  
  279. JUN 24 - 3:51PM
  280. HolyLlamas2: yeah and im asking how to plan
  281.  
  282. necrodoom: get titans and angels first, being easiest
  283.  
  284. Anathah: Use the small values pane on LC, use the "find chance" fomulas to calculate what you'd need for values
  285.  
  286. JUN 24 - 3:52PM
  287. Anathah: Is there still a spreadsheet in the forum? It's been months since I looked
  288.  
  289. Lord_Lucien: Ana, I love you
  290.  
  291. JUN 24 - 3:53PM
  292. HolyLlamas2: ok so theres a small value that says "47, .00007..." what does that mean
  293.  
  294. HolyLlamas2: i think it means that in 47 excavataions, I will find an artifact if it has a chance of being found higher than .00007
  295.  
  296. HolyLlamas2: is that right?
  297.  
  298. JUN 24 - 3:54PM
  299. Anathah: each eligible artifact (currently eligible) uses 1 small value per excavation.
  300.  
  301. JUN 24 - 3:55PM
  302. wibblenz: so you are correct for the case where you have only 1 possible artifact
  303.  
  304. HolyLlamas2: ok so since theres 2 (hour glass + faction) then it will come in 24 excavations
  305.  
  306. necrodoom: and hourglass goes first and will consume the value
  307.  
  308. JUN 24 - 3:56PM
  309. Anathah: with only hourglass and faction artifacts available excavations from 0 to 2999 use 1, 3000+ use two values per excavation
  310.  
  311. HolyLlamas2: okay so with two eligible you can only find the faction artifact on an even number of small values
  312.  
  313. Anathah: Odd number
  314.  
  315. JUN 24 - 3:57PM
  316. Anathah: 2999 + 2 = 3001.
  317.  
  318. Anathah: 3002 is hourglass, 3003 is faction artifact
  319.  
  320. JUN 24 - 3:58PM
  321. HolyLlamas2: ok
  322.  
  323. HolyLlamas2: so how do i use the small rng values to plan around finding an artifact
  324.  
  325. Anathah: Hourglass is findable 3000, factiob artifact is not, but the value is still consumed
  326.  
  327. necrodoom: given a specific excav with hourglass and faction eligible, hourglass will go first
  328.  
  329. JUN 24 - 3:59PM
  330. znelbbiw: one option is to export, try, and if it fails, import, shift the value by 1 using different faction then try again.
  331.  
  332. JUN 24 - 4:00PM
  333. Anathah: shifting the value by 1 requires 3000+ excavations and one eligible artifact
  334.  
  335. necrodoom: you are describing it in a so overly complex way anathah
  336.  
  337. JUN 24 - 4:02PM
  338. HolyLlamas2: so necro said angel and titan are the easiest. how do i go about starting to plan to get angel
  339.  
  340. HolyLlamas2: because as far as i can tell, i cant manipulate anything
  341.  
  342. necrodoom: check your chance to get artifact, find a value that will get it on small values
  343.  
  344. Anathah: how is that overly complicated ? Which part is overly complicated?
  345.  
  346. wibblenz: angel is time as angel, so you kinda have enough already for your SV or you dont.
  347.  
  348. JUN 24 - 4:03PM
  349. HolyLlamas2: okay so lets say its not enough, what would i do in order to get the angel artifact
  350.  
  351. JUN 24 - 4:04PM
  352. patitoguay: idle as angel
  353.  
  354. wibblenz: play more angel or excavate until a better SV
  355.  
  356. Lord_Lucien: about to unlock dragons adn I still don't have the 5 days Druid, 5 Days Faceless, 12 hours each morality and 36 hours evil researches.
  357.  
  358. JUN 24 - 4:05PM
  359. Lord_Lucien: oh also not 36h good, I didn't notice that one before
  360.  
  361. Lord_Lucien: (D525)
  362.  
  363. HolyLlamas2: ok i think i understand a little better, ill give it a shot and see what i can do
  364.  
  365. HolyLlamas2: thanks all
  366.  
  367. Anathah: about to means end of stage 4?
  368.  
  369. JUN 24 - 4:06PM
  370. necrodoom: he isnt R46 yet
  371.  
  372. Anathah: !
  373.  
  374. Lord_Lucien: Necro is correct, just barely though, should hit it in the next few hours.
  375.  
  376. Lord_Lucien: R45
  377.  
  378. JUN 24 - 4:07PM
  379. Lord_Lucien: 7.0e29 Gems. (need 1.0e30more)
  380.  
  381. Anathah: R45 yesterday, I'm on unlock stage 2, and I played e20 thru e26 twice
  382.  
  383. Anathah: that is e20 to e26 R45
  384.  
  385. Lord_Lucien: 1 day, 7 hours of R45
  386.  
  387. JUN 24 - 4:08PM
  388. Anathah: I technically have longer than that, but the longer than that was all offline
  389.  
  390. JUN 24 - 4:09PM
  391. Anathah: oh right, I remember now. Titans, no dwelf tiers
  392.  
  393. JUN 24 - 4:12PM
  394. HolyLlamas2: ok so my druid artifact chance is .0078, and there is a small value 1050 away that is .00089, so if i buy 525 excavations (there are 2 eligible artifacts) I should get the druid artifact?
  395.  
  396. Anathah: your find chance needs to equal or be smaller than the small value
  397.  
  398. necrodoom: your math is off
  399.  
  400. JUN 24 - 4:13PM
  401. Anathah: yes, yes it is
  402.  
  403. joehypothetical: 525*.00089 is much less than 1
  404.  
  405. Anathah: my bad
  406.  
  407. necrodoom: druid artifact needs 0.00078 or less
  408.  
  409. JUN 24 - 4:14PM
  410. Lord_Lucien: Anathah what can Ii say, Dwelves weren't working for me, maybe they would have taken over with tiers or maybe I'm missing a research that's important for them, but I couldn't make them work so I stuck to U Titans[.
  411.  
  412. JUN 24 - 4:16PM
  413. necrodoom: you tried for like 5 min with no tiers or FTM buildup
  414.  
  415. JUN 24 - 4:17PM
  416. HolyLlamas2: so if it says X% on the wiki, and X is .0078, then the small value needs to be .000078 or larger?
  417.  
  418. Lord_Lucien: 3 hours actually
  419.  
  420. Lord_Lucien: 3 hours was how long it took Dwelves to reach what tians did in 30
  421.  
  422. necrodoom: yes, 0.0078% = 0.000078
  423.  
  424. JUN 24 - 4:18PM
  425. necrodoom: and how did you test that exactly? two runs side by side/
  426.  
  427. JUN 24 - 4:19PM
  428. HolyLlamas2: ok and the chance to find needs to be smaller than the small value?
  429.  
  430. Lord_Lucien: nah at wall like I think iwas before tiers having a hard time reaching e26, getting like 2.5e14 per run with titans I tried a bunch of different factions to until they got similar production and they took longer
  431.  
  432. Lord_Lucien: no chance needs to be larger than the small value
  433.  
  434. JUN 24 - 4:20PM
  435. HolyLlamas2: thats what i thought at first but ana said the opposite
  436.  
  437. necrodoom: so basically you did something like, dwelves took 3 hours to x10 gems, titans took 30 min to x2 gems, and immediately declared titans victor
  438.  
  439. Lord_Lucien: no
  440.  
  441. JUN 24 - 4:21PM
  442. Lord_Lucien: dwelves took 3 hours to x2 gems, Titans took 30 mins to 2x gems.
  443.  
  444. necrodoom: and the dwelves run was well after titans run?
  445.  
  446. JUN 24 - 4:22PM
  447. Lord_Lucien: Let me restate.
  448.  
  449. necrodoom: honestly not gonna bother arguing, FTM clearly can outscale anything titans can produce, and so can the tiers
  450.  
  451. JUN 24 - 4:23PM
  452. necrodoom: and no matter what i say you gonna do your own thing while complaining every day what you do is slow
  453.  
  454. wibblenz: the dwelf recommendation has the benefit of hindsight, for example knowing that dragon unlock means 48 hours in R46 leading to 16000% or more FTM.
  455.  
  456. Lord_Lucien: Titans run with 1.0e25ish gems took 30 minutes to make 1.0e24 gems. Dwelves run after that with 1.1e25ish gems, took 3 hours to hit 1.0e24 gems.
  457.  
  458. necrodoom: dwelves are just stronger, period
  459.  
  460. JUN 24 - 4:24PM
  461. necrodoom: not hindsight, just FTM
  462.  
  463. Lord_Lucien: Actually in my brief runs, Dwangels beat Dwelves by a bit...best evil was Droblins and it was much worse.
  464.  
  465. JUN 24 - 4:25PM
  466. necrodoom: yeah you are still trying to run everything as U
  467.  
  468. JUN 24 - 4:26PM
  469. necrodoom: lets see you try get though R46 with titans without gifts and il see you a few weeks later
  470.  
  471. JUN 24 - 4:28PM
  472. Lord_Lucien: I don't intend to. reading the unlock necessities I need to level some good stuff anyways to get production up as Dwaries...may even need to get to 5 days of faceless time, but I hope now
  473.  
  474. Lord_Lucien: (For S590 for the Dwaries portion)
  475.  
  476. JUN 24 - 4:29PM
  477. Lord_Lucien: *not
  478.  
  479. Lord_Lucien: All time time as Facess: 1d 5h...all time time as Druid 3d13h...
  480.  
  481. JUN 24 - 4:31PM
  482. Lord_Lucien: all time, time...26 d
  483.  
  484. JUN 24 - 4:34PM
  485. Lord_Lucien: 2 d Fiary, 2 day elf, 1.5 day angel, 0.5 day goblin, 4 d undead (I unlocked faceless early by AFKing with them also Equality), 1 d Demon, 6 d Titan, 3.5 d Druid, 1.25 d Faceless, 2d Dwarf, 0.75 D Drow, 3 Day Merc.
  486.  
  487. Anathah: Do you have 20 to 24 rubies?
  488.  
  489. JUN 24 - 4:35PM
  490. Lord_Lucien: all time rubies found, 11.
  491.  
  492. JUN 24 - 4:36PM
  493. the_balrog: lol i have 88
  494.  
  495. the_balrog: because save editor or something
  496.  
  497. JUN 24 - 4:37PM
  498. the_balrog: oh also events and excavs
  499.  
  500. Anathah: oh right started playing after last ruby event
  501.  
  502. JUN 24 - 4:38PM
  503. Lord_Lucien: why did you ask about rubies?
  504.  
  505. JUN 24 - 4:39PM
  506. Anathah: Timewarps
  507.  
  508. Anathah: 8 rubies would get you druid time, 12 would get you faceless time.
  509.  
  510. JUN 24 - 4:43PM
  511. Lord_Lucien: will there be GOB event soon?
  512.  
  513. JUN 24 - 4:44PM
  514. Anathah: no official word on next event, to my knowledge
  515.  
  516. JUN 24 - 4:45PM
  517. Lord_Lucien: there was a goblin event in July last year, no?
  518.  
  519. JUN 24 - 4:46PM
  520. Anathah: no idea, last July I was idle
  521.  
  522. JUN 24 - 4:48PM
  523. Ravor9: http://musicfamily.org/realm/Events/
  524.  
  525. JUN 24 - 4:49PM
  526. Ravor9: Goblin Invasion (Jul 21...
  527.  
  528. JUN 24 - 4:50PM
  529. Anathah: I guess I wasn't gone as long as I thought last time. March through October
  530.  
  531. Ravor9: "Goblin Invasion Event will be starting on Jul 21st 2017, 12.01 PM UTC and will end on JUL 25th 2017, 6.59 PM UTC."
  532.  
  533. JUN 24 - 4:51PM
  534. Lord_Lucien: Suppose it's pointless to ask what an event is like?
  535.  
  536. Anathah: Most are pretty lame
  537.  
  538. JUN 24 - 4:52PM
  539. Anathah: crap accumulates in piles on your screen, usualy one to three depending on the event. Click to collect, then there's stuff to spend it on
  540.  
  541. JUN 24 - 4:53PM
  542. Anathah: Easter, Christmas, and Rubyshine (if continued) gave occasional ruby gifts
  543.  
  544. Lord_Lucien: so Goblin event doesn't...
  545.  
  546. JUN 24 - 4:54PM
  547. Lord_Lucien: boost gobs?
  548.  
  549. JUN 24 - 4:55PM
  550. Anathah: ravor9 linked the events page at the NAW, there's a description of the feats associated with it in the 2017 events
  551.  
  552. JUN 24 - 4:58PM
  553. Anathah: uhm, yeah... I just reread something you said because it occurred to me where the problem was, LL.
  554.  
  555. JUN 24 - 4:59PM
  556. Anathah: You compared Titans with tiers to Dwelves without tiers at 1e25 gems? Did you look at the dwelf build at all? Read the notes?
  557.  
  558. Anathah: if not... Notes: Requires Spell tiers to get past 1e25 (10 Sp) gems. Recommended doing T3 Elf/Dwarf spell tiers (Call to Arms, Holy Light, Moon Blessing, Diamond Pickaxe, Spiritual Surge)
  559.  
  560. Lord_Lucien: I compared titans without tiers and dwelves without tiers.
  561.  
  562. JUN 24 - 5:00PM
  563. Lord_Lucien: but yea both were stalling area 1e25, but titans were doing better.
  564.  
  565. JUN 24 - 5:01PM
  566. Lord_Lucien: I'm not going to argue either, I can see why Dwelves would have improved with tiers moe than titans did
  567.  
  568. JUN 24 - 5:02PM
  569. Anathah: of course they were. You NEED tiers to get past the point where you started testing
  570.  
  571. JUN 24 - 5:03PM
  572. Lord_Lucien: I got one more R then before Tiering on the next one (reached e26 in like 12 hours)
  573.  
  574. JUN 24 - 5:05PM
  575. Lord_Lucien: to further my statement though, I didn't see it at the time, but I do see why tiers on Dwelves would make beaten Tiers on Titans (HL3 is much cheaper than GG3 and actually affordable early, extra spell slot 5 spells leveled instead of 4).
  576.  
  577. JUN 24 - 5:07PM
  578. Lord_Lucien: I would need titans leveled anyways wouldn't I? Dragtans are used for a good while before Facedrags take over, right?
  579.  
  580. JUN 24 - 5:08PM
  581. Anathah: Yes, but you don't need tiers at first.
  582.  
  583. JUN 24 - 5:09PM
  584. Lord_Lucien: wouldn't you need them just to afford dragon upgrades?
  585.  
  586. G00FBALL: lol
  587.  
  588. Lord_Lucien: or is DBreath just that good?
  589.  
  590. Anathah: No, you'll get to the dragon upgrades eventually without tiers
  591.  
  592. JUN 24 - 5:10PM
  593. Anathah: Remember playing dwarves for the first time? There comes a point where you can buy the upgrades.
  594.  
  595. JUN 24 - 5:18PM
  596. Lord_Lucien: w/e I am where I am.
  597.  
  598. harklark: why is room 2 always the best room in these games?
  599.  
  600. JUN 24 - 5:19PM
  601. harklark: its the same with trimps
  602.  
  603. JUN 24 - 5:30PM
  604. Anathah: I've found room 2 to be most welcoming of people. Sure there are sassy people, people sometimes have off days, but in general...
  605.  
  606. JUN 24 - 5:31PM
  607. Anathah: Room 1 is either elitist, number crunchers, or people who look at external references as cheating
  608.  
  609. Sommaren: its hit and miss
  610.  
  611. Anathah: or have an archaic view of cheating
  612.  
  613. JUN 24 - 5:32PM
  614. Anathah: example, this is a single player game, nothing you do affects my game, so if you cheat I don't really care, as long as you acknowledge it and don't do it in an idiotic way
  615.  
  616. JUN 24 - 5:41PM
  617. Anathah: for idiotic see the Wall of Shame at the NAW
  618.  
  619. JUN 24 - 5:46PM
  620. harklark: I stumbled upon that page but didn't go too deep into it
  621.  
  622. harklark: as you said, single player game so you do you
  623.  
  624. JUN 24 - 6:24PM
  625. LunaSong69: Oh my gosh, finally I get to choose drow or dwarves. Any reccomendations?
  626.  
  627. JUN 24 - 6:25PM
  628. The_Cure: you can do both
  629.  
  630. The_Cure: but i think dwarves better on low tiers
  631.  
  632. vseans: drow are almost never good
  633.  
  634. Drakkanien: They are too complicated
  635.  
  636. LunaSong69: So start with dwarves?
  637.  
  638. Drakkanien: Yep
  639.  
  640. JUN 24 - 6:26PM
  641. vseans: yeah, dwarves a lot easier to unlock too
  642.  
  643. JUN 24 - 6:33PM
  644. Drakkanien: I myself find Elves and Goblins the easiest
  645.  
  646. JUN 24 - 6:34PM
  647. Drakkanien: I never had much luck with Angels, their games are always slow for me
  648.  
  649. JUN 24 - 6:46PM
  650. JamesBurner: I've found Elves to be the worst for me. Just can't make progress with them
  651.  
  652. JUN 24 - 6:47PM
  653. JamesBurner: I usually use them to get to my first abdication, then after that Fairies, then Goblins then Titans
  654.  
  655. Anathah: uhm
  656.  
  657. Anathah: Do you have the sun blessing upgrade?
  658.  
  659. JamesBurner: What does that do again?
  660.  
  661. Drakkanien: 15 clicks per second free of charge
  662.  
  663. Anathah: automatically clicks 15 times per second while Moon blessing is active
  664.  
  665. JUN 24 - 6:48PM
  666. JamesBurner: Yeah I have that
  667.  
  668. JamesBurner: Also have an autoclicker for the rest of the time and still feel them to be the slowest progress.
  669.  
  670. Anathah: Moon blessing + Call to Arms should get you farther than goblin
  671.  
  672. Drakkanien: Combine it with Holy Light of Diamond Pickaxe
  673.  
  674. JUN 24 - 6:49PM
  675. JamesBurner: Nah Goblin has been a lot more successful. I know everyone says Elves are fantastic, and Dwelves makes sense, but they always feel so much slower
  676.  
  677. JamesBurner: I am sure it is user error and not a problem with Elves. Lol.
  678.  
  679. JUN 24 - 6:50PM
  680. Drakkanien: Elves have more mana regen
  681.  
  682. Drakkanien: They can use their spell more often than Goblins
  683.  
  684. JUN 24 - 6:51PM
  685. Anathah: this "feels slower" crap is annoying, do a side by side test and see if it's slower or not.
  686.  
  687. JUN 24 - 6:58PM
  688. Lord_Lucien: anathah
  689.  
  690. Drakkanien: I mean, why so angry?
  691.  
  692. JUN 24 - 6:59PM
  693. Drakkanien: He voiced their opinion, why berate them for it?
  694.  
  695. JUN 24 - 7:00PM
  696. Anathah: Not berating him, I'm pointing out that "feels slower" is a bullspit metric. Test. There's no anger there, this is text. You are reading non-existant tone in it
  697.  
  698. The_Cure: i am ralph!
  699.  
  700. Drakkanien: While I agree, Goblins felt a bit faster for me when I started, possibly because I didn't understood the click bonus then
  701.  
  702. JUN 24 - 7:01PM
  703. The_Cure: clicking is exausting
  704.  
  705. The_Cure: what do you mean you dont understood?
  706.  
  707. Drakkanien: Elves do it anutmatically
  708.  
  709. The_Cure: oh ok
  710.  
  711. JUN 24 - 7:02PM
  712. Drakkanien: I thought that those 15 clicks per seconds didn't change much compared to income per second
  713.  
  714. Drakkanien: Then with extra upgrades it was almost as good as income per second... but 15 times per second
  715.  
  716. JUN 24 - 7:07PM
  717. JamesBurner: Actually Anthah "Feels slower" isn't a bullshit metric it's how the GAMe feels when I play it
  718.  
  719. JUN 24 - 7:08PM
  720. JamesBurner: If you're too stupid to wrap your head around the concept of people playing games for fun that isn't my ****ing problem.
  721.  
  722. JUN 24 - 7:11PM
  723. Anathah: Quit now, it just gets slower. I'm not calling you names. I'm telling you the criteria you're using doesn't qualify AS criteria.
  724.  
  725. JamesBurner: You have no obligation to respond to anything in chat and if you're just gonna talk down to people you might as well not even asnwer
  726.  
  727. JUN 24 - 7:12PM
  728. Anathah: Hey pot, meet kettle.
  729.  
  730. washburnmav: ho do i get undead coins?
  731.  
  732. JUN 24 - 7:13PM
  733. washburnmav: just clicking?
  734.  
  735. Anathah: clicking and assistants.
  736.  
  737. Anathah: excavating if you have that unlocked
  738.  
  739. Elbrecht: you can also scry for them
  740.  
  741. JUN 24 - 7:15PM
  742. washburnmav: thanks
  743.  
  744. washburnmav: just started, so i dont think i have any of that yet
  745.  
  746. JUN 24 - 7:16PM
  747. JamesBurner: Scrying you have
  748.  
  749. JamesBurner: It's just watching an AD
  750.  
  751. Elbrecht: scrying is always available, bottom right corner. You have to watch an ad tho
  752.  
  753. Anathah: if you've just started, avoid undead
  754.  
  755. Matt723: early on scrying is the best way to get faction coins
  756.  
  757. Matt723: you can just keep doing it
  758.  
  759. washburnmav: is says the sphere is cloudy?
  760.  
  761. washburnmav: definitely picked undead
  762.  
  763. washburnmav: oops.
  764.  
  765. JamesBurner: And Anathah I didn't talk down to anyone you're just a ***** ** *****
  766.  
  767. Matt723: refresh the page
  768.  
  769. JUN 24 - 7:17PM
  770. washburnmav: hey thanks matt. that did it.
  771.  
  772. Matt723: no prob
  773.  
  774. JUN 24 - 7:18PM
  775. Anathah: and your you're still* resorting to ad hominem. You've had it out for me since I can remember, mute me and go on with your life
  776.  
  777. JamesBurner: Had it out for you?
  778.  
  779. JUN 24 - 7:19PM
  780. JamesBurner: Get over yourself, ffs. I have seen you in chat like twice
  781.  
  782. JamesBurner: You insulted me then when you got called out on it you tried to play the victim
  783.  
  784. JamesBurner: Shut the **** up you childish prick.
  785.  
  786. Matt723: guys... guys....... who cares
  787.  
  788. Matt723: why are you fighting
  789.  
  790. JUN 24 - 7:20PM
  791. Elbrecht: because it's the internet?
  792.  
  793. Matt723: oh yeah
  794.  
  795. washburnmav: anonymity is a powerful thing
  796.  
  797. JamesBurner: Because he decided to call me an idiot for not liking to play elves and then play the victim when he got called out
  798.  
  799. Anathah: Anathah: this "feels slower" crap is annoying, do a side by side test and see if it's slower or not.
  800.  
  801. Anathah: Vain much?
  802.  
  803. JUN 24 - 7:22PM
  804. chubs465: Yay R18
  805.  
  806. Anathah: Or (and now this is where I am going to insult you in case you're wondering) are you so original that you're the only person to ever say those two words todether
  807.  
  808. JUN 24 - 7:23PM
  809. chubs465: Haven't done a single research
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