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  1. do you use samsung 860 evo ?
  2. 850 evo is tls,860 evo is mlc,
  3. do you use samsung 860 evo ?
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  15. im not sure if it is reliable for hosting ?
  16. 850 Pros have 10 year warranty and it seems like the 860s dropped to 5 years.
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  20. FYI, 860 EVO is still TLC only 860 Pro is MLC where 860 Pro has twice the endurance of 860 EVO https://www.anandtech.com/show/12347...-evo-sata-ssds
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  22. edit: strangely datasheet for 860 EVO says MLC http://www.samsung.com/semiconductor...nsumer/860evo/
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  27. Have used 850 evo /pro for working solid for more look above post
  28. I have used 850 evo & pros in servers for with 0 failures. The 850/860 evo & 860 pro have a 5 year warranty. I agree with the post above and typically buy 850 pros because of the 10 year warranty.
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  41. why still so many people choose samsung ?
  42. Samsung is the #1 SSD producer by a large margin. They were the first to release 3D (stacked) NAND and are the most advanced with it. Since their products have the highest volume they have the best performance/price and are the most tested in the real world.
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  54. Whether or not you need a particular amount of endurance depends on your application. For most people you will not come anywhere close to the guaranteed limits in 3-5 years.
  55. The price/performance ratio of the Samsung SSDs is unparalleled so far. The only Intel models that were comparable were their DC branded drives which cost nearly twice as much as their Samsung counterparts (and weren't twice as fast).
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  57. On SSDs today, Samsung is the King and Queen. There may be some powerful people around them, but they reign pretty solidly.
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  59. Back when the SSD demand was starting, we would use a lot of Intel drives, but since then we have used maybe five times as many Samsungs and have still to match the number of dead SSDs we got from Intel. That's not to say zero failures; we've had some of them fail, but that's inevitable. Much lower failure rate than hard drives, that's for sure.
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  62. im not sure if it is fine to any your experience between EVO and PRO version ?
  63. We use both. The PRO have a significant price difference over the plain EVO. The performance is better, but (in my opinion) not that much better that it warrants the price so we leave it up to the customer to choose. Some won't do anything but PRO, and others will do anything as long as it's an SSD; or would prefer a higher capacity rather than higher performance.
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  65. As far as failure rates, I'd say they're about the same although it's more of a guess. Despite having been using them for years, I can't say we've seen enough failure rates to develop any sort of significant statistics. We may have replaced 2-3 of EVO and EVO PRO each and our distribution is about even. Lately we buy more PRO than non-PRO.
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  67. All that said, I have an EVO PRO in all three of my regular use desktops.
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  70. We are using both of them, no complaint till now, if look for more warranty go for pro series they have 10 years warranty
  71. 850 evo is tls,860 evo is mlc,
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  73. do you use samsung 860 evo ?
  74.  
  75. im not sure if it is reliable for hosting ?
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  78. http://www.samsung.com/semiconductor...rprise/sm863a/
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  80. 860 EVO is for desktop. Not for DataCenter.
  81. Can't fault Samsung Evos, one of the best SSD's out there IMHO. They're more expensive, but definitely worth it.
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  83. Oh yes, I guess I didn't comment on the other options... We have tried other brands such as Sandisk, and with as few units as we had, we experienced some failures.
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  85. We also recently had an experience with an Intel model shipped with Dell systems that had a 'feature' that made them crash hard on Linux systems under certain circumstances. We needed to do a firmware flash on all of those.
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  87. Somehow Samsung has flown high without either type of issue.
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  89. answer is RAID 10. Always is better to install more HDD/SSD's (even cheap), than 1 or 2 enterprise. You will have faster I/O, better failover, faster rebuild, ...
  90. We use both. The PRO have a significant price difference over the plain EVO. The performance is better, but (in my opinion) not that much better that it warrants the price so we leave it up to the customer to choose. Some won't do anything but PRO, and others will do anything as long as it's an SSD; or would prefer a higher capacity rather than higher performance.
  91. As far as failure rates, I'd say they're about the same although it's more of a guess. Despite having been using them for years, I can't say we've seen enough failure rates to develop any sort of significant statistics. We may have replaced 2-3 of EVO and EVO PRO each and our distribution is about even. Lately we buy more PRO than non-PRO.
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  93. All that said, I have an EVO PRO in all three of my regular use desktops.
  94. What happens when they fail? Do they become read only and allow you to recover by copying over to a new drive? Maybe they tend to start to fail a block at a time and give you ample warning via SMART? I am asking because I question the need for RAID1 with SSD drives for redundancy (not performance). There is no redundancy with memory and SSD's are kind of the same idea soooo.
  95. In our experience, they fail just like hard drives. Sometimes they start giving I/O errors but are mostly readable. Sometimes the controller is what dies so they become completely unreachable. In some cases, they'll pop back up on a reboot and then disappear later on too.
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  97. Again, we haven't had very many failures so there's very little experience with this regard. I assume the rate of recorded failures will accelerate as the usage ramp becomes older with time. While most servers provisioned today have one or more SSDs in them, that wasn't the case 2-3 years ago.
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  99. I will always say backups and redundancy are important, regardless of the medium. If your data is valuable, RAID is better than a single drive, and backups are a requirement. Backups far away from the server > (are better than) backups on the server > backups on the same drive >> (much better than) no backups.
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  101. If uptime is not as important, then simply having an SSD with a backup (cheap) hard drive may be all the solution you need. Obviously how precious your data is for you, how much you value your uptime and what your budget is will heavily influence the decision here.
  102. In our experience, they fail just like hard drives. Sometimes they start giving I/O errors but are mostly readable. Sometimes the controller is what dies so they become completely unreachable. In some cases, they'll pop back up on a reboot and then disappear later on too.
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  104. Again, we haven't had very many failures so there's very little experience with this regard. I assume the rate of recorded failures will accelerate as the usage ramp becomes older with time. While most servers provisioned today have one or more SSDs in them, that wasn't the case 2-3 years ago.
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  106. I will always say backups and redundancy are important, regardless of the medium. If your data is valuable, RAID is better than a single drive, and backups are a requirement. Backups far away from the server > (are better than) backups on the server > backups on the same drive >> (much better than) no backups.
  107.  
  108. If uptime is not as important, then simply having an SSD with a backup (cheap) hard drive may be all the solution you need. Obviously how precious your data is for you, how much you value your uptime and what your budget is will heavily influence the decision here.
  109. Thanks. There isn't a lot of info or experience about how they fail so any info is better than none at all.
  110. My impression is that Samsung is at least 1 generation ahead of everyone else on SSDs and has been for some time. I guess Intel has caught up a little but this drive probably puts Samsung ahead again.
  111. I pretty much only use Samsung EVO.
  112. For cost concern,
  113. I really think to use evo version,
  114. But I'm not sure if it is really fine for hosting purpose.
  115. EVO and EVO Pro can both be used for hosting purposes. Just treat it like you would any other hard drive (this advice applies to the PRO as well). Don't assume that because it's an SSD (Pro or otherwise) it will never fail. It will.
  116. sorry to pop the thread,
  117. years later,
  118. about your 860 evo,
  119. do they still work well ?
  120. I use 860 Pros for home use, not enough IO for servers and workstations, have to use 970 Pros or Intel Optane for business. Then for those need enterprise due to business requirements Enterprise grade SSDs can be used (e.g. video processing, game development, render farms, AI dev, etc.)
  121. I used the PRO and EVO line a lot, and I can say that the EVO 860 still shows the best results in its price segment.
  122. 850 evo is tls,860 evo is mlc,
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  124. do you use samsung 860 evo ?
  125.  
  126. im not sure if it is reliable for hosting ?
  127. Hello,
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  129. We are using 850/860 Evo and Pro, don see any fauler until 5 years , but it will be better you change disk after 5 years and use in mini servers and Raid Arrays.
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