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- [13:59:48] #Yellow Paint: /announce Workshop Start!
- [14:00:25] #Yellow Paint: alright, feel free to PM me, MrAldo, or Katy suggestions on what you want to build around
- [14:00:27] @t04ster: yoooo squad
- [14:00:31] #Yellow Paint: oh, or t04ster
- [14:00:40] #Yellow Paint: actually nvm just pm me
- [14:00:45] @t04ster: welcome to the ou workshop! feel free to pm me also and any other auth. my chats arent open for causal discussion
- [14:00:55] #Yellow Paint: well, pm me for suggestions
- [14:00:58] #Yellow Paint: so I can compile a poll
- [14:01:15] #Yellow Paint: we can also discuss things here, if anyone has any cores/ideas they want
- [14:01:36] %Katy: yup spit out cores
- [14:01:55] #Yellow Paint: one suggested was terrakion
- [14:01:58] #Yellow Paint: with sd
- [14:02:11] @t04ster: we have zeraora + watershifu
- [14:02:17] @t04ster: er
- [14:02:22] @t04ster: zera + dragapult
- [14:02:38] #Yellow Paint: another suggestion for volcarona + reuniclus
- [14:02:43] @t04ster: zera + kyurem too
- [14:02:45] #Yellow Paint: which is fun with the magic guard
- [14:03:46] #Yellow Paint: alright, that's enough for now then
- [14:04:22] A poll was started by Yellow Paint.
- [14:05:32] +avarice: i rm when zera + kyurem was a UU core :omg:
- [14:06:18] #Yellow Paint: reverse creep
- [14:08:37] #Yellow Paint: alright, looks like it's zera + kyurem
- [14:08:49] #Yellow Paint: so, anyone wanna explain the core?
- [14:09:02] #Yellow Paint: they complement each other with things like kyurem removing lando and rilla
- [14:09:25] #Yellow Paint: what partners well with it, what are they weak to?
- [14:10:44] #Yellow Paint: [14:10:30] meme0267: definitely need reliable hazard removal for kyurem, probably defog corv or lando
- [14:10:50] @t04ster: my memory is foggy but like zeraora basically thrives off of grounds and kyu offers consistent offensive counterplay
- [14:10:53] #Yellow Paint: [14:10:43] Coolcodename:(Private to %Yellow Paint) Is the kyurem specs or sub roost?
- [14:10:56] @t04ster: kyurem needs hazard control, def agree with that
- [14:11:20] %Katy: kyurem pressure immediately especially with its choice specs set being a devestating wallbreaker and ice typing in general is evry spamable and it can weaken or beat pokemon, which zeraora dislikes such as garchomp, meanwhile zeraora can weaken pokes for kyurem and itself
- [14:11:25] #Yellow Paint: thoughts on sets as well?
- [14:11:47] @t04ster: think we can just run 4 atks zera specs kyurem
- [14:11:53] %Katy: yea
- [14:11:58] #Yellow Paint: [14:11:47] luxrrayster: bulk up zera and just normal freeze dry kyurem
- [14:12:16] %Katy: specs kyurewm has freeze-dry anyway
- [14:12:28] #Yellow Paint: yeah, how about 4 attacks zera plus specs kyurem for now
- [14:12:29] @t04ster: tox is an option
- [14:12:35] @t04ster: but 4 atks is super consistent otherwise
- [14:12:39] #Yellow Paint: what about partners then, hazard control was mentioned
- [14:12:49] %Katy: !code
- Kyurem @ Choice Specs
- Ability: Pressure
- EVs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
- [14:12:53] %Katy: best set rn
- [14:13:19] #Yellow Paint: [14:13:05] Coolcodename: Do we rlly need focus blast w zera for bliss?
- [14:13:34] @t04ster: fogger corv
- [14:13:38] @t04ster: looks super good
- [14:13:41] @t04ster: [14:13:21] meme0267: boots zera, plasma fists, cc, knock off, volt switch?
- [14:13:42] #Yellow Paint: I believe focus blast still takes other things like ferro?
- [14:13:46] @t04ster: yeah thats exactly what 4 atks runs
- [14:14:03] #Yellow Paint: [14:13:31] HawkOp2099: Cc barra can take kyurem
- [14:14:03] #Yellow Paint: [14:13:36] HawkOp2099: And zera can die too
- [14:15:20] %Katy: we can pair it up with rillaboom
- [14:15:28] %Katy: rilla, ora, kyu, corv
- [14:15:32] %Katy: seem to be a good core
- [14:15:37] #Yellow Paint: solid 4 going
- [14:15:42] @t04ster: https://pokepast.es/8e996940d0117d22
- [14:15:42] #Yellow Paint: would definitely need a tran answer then
- [14:15:44] @t04ster: so this with potential rilla
- [14:15:47] #Yellow Paint: and exca was mentioned too
- [14:15:50] @t04ster: sounds tight
- [14:15:52] #Yellow Paint: as threats
- [14:15:54] %Katy: we can also go with dnite
- [14:16:06] %Katy: but that leaves us
- [14:16:25] @t04ster: weak to weavile?
- [14:16:30] %Katy: weak to opposing kyurem and weav
- [14:16:44] #Yellow Paint: [14:16:36] luxrrayster: can i ask why not Rocky helment on birb?
- [14:17:11] @t04ster: one word: plugged smogon set
- [14:17:15] @t04ster: but rh looks extremely flexible
- [14:17:25] %Katy: we can go with heatran
- [14:17:36] %Katy: so we arent volc weak
- [14:17:37] #Yellow Paint: ah right, tran checks tran
- [14:17:46] @t04ster: ye
- [14:17:53] %Katy: air ballon tran
- [14:18:20] @t04ster: [14:18:09] Chiksterr: I feel some with support would also be good for zera and kyurem
- [14:18:21] @t04ster: [14:18:13] Chiksterr: wish*
- [14:18:34] #Yellow Paint: urshi and barraskewda were mentioned as big threats as well
- [14:18:50] #Yellow Paint: especially if no rilla
- [14:18:53] @t04ster: yeah we rly need to check watershifu
- [14:19:03] @t04ster: maybe katy's dnite suggestion + spdef tran?
- [14:19:05] @t04ster: i refuse to run balloon lol
- [14:19:13] #Yellow Paint: dnite + spdef tran helps
- [14:19:13] %Katy: ya that could be an option
- [14:19:26] #Yellow Paint: also yes rain has been mentioned again, which rilla would help with?
- [14:19:39] #Yellow Paint: but something else defensive would be nice
- [14:19:44] %Katy: rain is less common nowadays
- [14:20:08] @t04ster: added gterrain recovery for heatran is nice too
- [14:20:20] @t04ster: would wish support be worth adding as a layer of mileage
- [14:20:34] %Katy: my idea was kyurem, zeraora, melmetal, landot, urshifur, and tornt
- [14:20:34] @t04ster: honestly, having hazard control is just fine
- [14:20:49] #Yellow Paint: oh, an offensive tilt
- [14:21:01] #Yellow Paint: is that 6 fine against tran, katy?
- [14:21:12] %Katy: urhs and landot
- [14:21:16] %Katy: softcheck tran
- [14:22:30] #Yellow Paint: wanna put it up to a poll?
- [14:22:46] @t04ster: works for me
- [14:22:47] @t04ster: [14:22:22] Coolcodename: Isn’t Katy’s suggestion a bit too weav weak?
- [14:23:05] %Katy: melmetal and ursh can circumvent weavile weakness
- [14:23:14] %Katy: with playing around it
- [14:23:30] A poll was started by Yellow Paint.
- [14:23:41] %Katy: another option could be: kyurem, zera, dragapult, heatran, landot, clefable
- [14:23:44] @t04ster: weavile just barely jeopardizes the build's fluidity
- [14:23:45] @t04ster: vote!
- [14:24:06] #Yellow Paint: yeah an offensively oriented team like that doesn't have to be totally solid against other offensive threats
- [14:25:01] #Yellow Paint: poll'll close in 3 minutes
- [14:25:12] #Yellow Paint: well, 2 let's say
- [14:25:18] #Yellow Paint: bc spdef tran side is winning lmao
- [14:26:08] @t04ster: [14:25:52] HawkOp2099: Katy's new suggestion looks goood
- [14:26:10] @t04ster: yeah little man
- [14:26:11] @t04ster: lol
- [14:26:57] #Yellow Paint: yeah, pult tran does just seem better with lando clef
- [14:27:18] #Yellow Paint: is that one okay against exca?
- [14:27:28] %Katy: landot
- [14:27:32] #Yellow Paint: right
- [14:27:34] %Katy: and
- [14:27:38] %Katy: draga can spinblock
- [14:27:45] %Katy: in case exca wants to do that
- [14:28:12] @t04ster: ok so spdef tran + dnite
- [14:28:23] @t04ster: has the most votes, we can go in that direction
- [14:28:24] #Yellow Paint: though, katy's new 6 is also quite good
- [14:28:33] #Yellow Paint: and tran + dnite is quite similar to pult + tran
- [14:28:35] %Katy: dnite we can go with defensive dragon dance
- [14:28:36] @t04ster: i agree
- [14:28:46] %Katy: if you want to do that
- [14:28:49] @t04ster: [14:28:19] Coolcodename: Would pex be a good teammate for the spedef tran+Dnite team?
- [14:28:53] @t04ster: [14:23:23] Coolcodename: Urshifu can’t work long term at all
- [14:28:57] #Yellow Paint: I think pult tran's in the spirit of it
- [14:29:12] #Yellow Paint: pex would kinda kill momentum though
- [14:29:55] %Katy: pex drains hella momentum
- [14:29:57] %Katy: in this case
- [14:30:00] @t04ster: [14:29:41] tsyon✿: Instead of pex why not slowking to add into the breaking power to zera and kyurem and momentum
- [14:30:01] @t04ster: [14:29:40] Coolcodename: in general a weavile check is p necessary as this team just gets 6-0ed
- [14:30:15] @t04ster: yeah for sure
- [14:30:19] #Yellow Paint: pex is a better chance
- [14:30:21] @t04ster: can see that thats the consensus
- [14:30:44] #Yellow Paint: how to answer weavile then?
- [14:30:48] @t04ster: [14:30:34] HawkOp2099: Is'nt zera a good weavile check
- [14:30:58] #MrAldo: cant switch
- [14:30:58] %Katy: depends
- [14:31:02] %Katy: cant switch
- [14:31:02] #MrAldo: only as a revenge killer
- [14:31:02] #Yellow Paint: zera can't do anything defesnively
- [14:31:04] @t04ster: we're worrying about switching in
- [14:31:11] @t04ster: but we can rkill
- [14:31:14] @t04ster: i gotta run, gl guys
- [14:31:20] #Yellow Paint: cheers!
- [14:31:22] #MrAldo: switching into weavile will require like a fini or pex
- [14:31:28] %Katy: so what do we have right now?
- [14:31:31] #MrAldo: then having the zeraora for insurance
- [14:31:35] #MrAldo: or at worse tapu
- [14:31:39] #Yellow Paint: zera/kyurem/tran/dnite rn
- [14:32:11] #MrAldo: I think fini works tbh
- [14:32:16] %Katy: ya
- [14:32:21] %Katy: fini in this case
- [14:32:21] %Katy: works
- [14:32:29] #MrAldo: also helps with watershifu somewhat as well
- [14:32:45] %Katy: Chiksterr: hm helment pex seems pretty good against weav though
- [14:32:55] #Yellow Paint: [14:32:28] Coolcodename: Fini works decently
- [14:32:55] #Yellow Paint: [14:32:33] Coolcodename: also didn’t we have rilla here?
- [14:33:07] #Yellow Paint: then yeah fini works
- [14:33:22] #Yellow Paint: and rilla was mentioned earlier, still seems good now?
- [14:33:26] #Yellow Paint: or is fini enough of an urshi answer
- [14:33:43] %Katy: chiksterr pex is more spdef nowadays
- [14:33:48] %Katy: for volc
- [14:33:56] #Yellow Paint: can anyone post an updated paste?
- [14:35:19] %Katy: what do we have?
- [14:35:32] #Yellow Paint: kyurem zera tran dnite fini
- [14:36:27] #MrAldo: yeh, with dnite there is no need for pex, and with kyurem you gonna be spamming ice moves most of the time anyways so the misty terrain
- [14:36:30] #MrAldo: isnt that bad
- [14:36:47] #MrAldo: and this appreciates the terrain disruption versus something like lele for example
- [14:36:55] %Katy: we can run scarf fini
- [14:36:59] #Yellow Paint: !code
- Kyurem @ Choice Specs
- Ability: Pressure
- EVs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
- Modest Nature
- IVs: 0 Atk
- - Ice Beam
- - Freeze-Dry
- - Focus Blast
- - Earth Power
- Zeraora @ Heavy-Duty Boots
- Ability: Volt Absorb
- EVs: 252 Atk / 4 Def / 252 Spe
- Jolly Nature
- - Plasma Fists
- - Volt Switch
- - Knock Off
- - Close Combat
- Heatran @ Leftovers
- Ability: Flash Fire
- EVs: 252 HP / 136 SpD / 120 Spe
- Calm Nature
- - Magma Storm
- - Earth Power
- - Taunt
- - Toxic
- Dragonite @ Heavy-Duty Boots
- Ability: Multiscale
- EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
- Jolly Nature
- - Dragon Dance
- - Dual Wingbeat
- - Earthquake
- - Roost
- Tapu Fini @ Leftovers
- Ability: Misty Surge
- EVs: 252 HP / 64 SpD / 192 Spe
- Timid Nature
- - Scald
- - Moonblast
- - Knock Off
- - Taunt
- [14:37:00] #Yellow Paint: oh
- [14:37:01] %Katy: as a forme of speed control
- [14:37:09] #Yellow Paint: this is just me slapping analysis sets in
- [14:37:46] %Katy: also scarf fini is faster than weavile and such
- [14:38:05] %Katy: therefore giving us a measure against it
- [14:38:41] #Yellow Paint: is scarf fini still defog?
- [14:39:30] %Katy: ya
- [14:39:33] %Katy: emergency defogger
- [14:39:38] #Yellow Paint: that could work
- [14:39:44] #Yellow Paint: there's double boots already
- [14:39:55] #Yellow Paint: what about the dnite set then?
- [14:40:12] %Katy: !code
- Dragonite @ Heavy-Duty Boots
- Ability: Multiscale
- EVs: 248 HP / 52 Atk / 52 Def / 152 Spe
- Jolly Nature
- - Dragon Dance
- - Dual Wingbeat
- - Earthquake
- - Roost
- [14:40:40] #Yellow Paint: cool, how about the fini set?
- [14:40:40] %Katy: u can make a note that healbell instead of quake could also be an option on dnite
- [14:40:46] #Yellow Paint: gotcha
- [14:40:55] %Katy: !code
- Tapu Fini @ Choice Scarf
- Ability: Misty Surge
- EVs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
- Timid Nature
- IVs: 0 Atk
- - Moonblast
- - Hydro Pump
- - Trick
- - Defog
- [14:40:58] #Yellow Paint: though with fini on team
- [14:41:03] #Yellow Paint: heal bell migth not be as necessary
- [14:41:18] #Yellow Paint: !code
- Kyurem @ Choice Specs
- Ability: Pressure
- EVs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
- Modest Nature
- IVs: 0 Atk
- - Ice Beam
- - Freeze-Dry
- - Focus Blast
- - Earth Power
- Zeraora @ Heavy-Duty Boots
- Ability: Volt Absorb
- EVs: 252 Atk / 4 Def / 252 Spe
- Jolly Nature
- - Plasma Fists
- - Volt Switch
- - Knock Off
- - Close Combat
- Heatran @ Leftovers
- Ability: Flash Fire
- EVs: 252 HP / 136 SpD / 120 Spe
- Calm Nature
- - Magma Storm
- - Earth Power
- - Taunt
- - Toxic
- Dragonite @ Heavy-Duty Boots
- Ability: Multiscale
- EVs: 248 HP / 52 Atk / 52 Def / 152 Spe
- Jolly Nature
- - Dragon Dance
- - Dual Wingbeat
- - Earthquake
- - Roost
- Tapu Fini @ Choice Scarf
- Ability: Misty Surge
- EVs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
- Timid Nature
- IVs: 0 Atk
- - Moonblast
- - Hydro Pump
- - Trick
- - Defog
- [14:41:23] #Yellow Paint: great, these are the 5 so far then
- [14:41:31] %Katy: ya but ya fog your own terrain away so healbell can be still an opt on dnite
- [14:41:36] #Yellow Paint: true
- [14:41:42] %Katy: fogging own etrrain away sigh gen8...why?
- [14:42:00] #Yellow Paint: I believe opposing kyurem was mentioned as well
- [14:42:05] #Yellow Paint: since there's no sr here or anything
- [14:42:10] #Yellow Paint: how would we handle that?
- [14:42:21] %Katy: !code
- Heatran @ Leftovers
- Ability: Flash Fire
- EVs: 252 HP / 128 SpD / 128 Spe
- Calm Nature
- IVs: 0 Atk
- - Magma Storm
- - Earth Power
- - Taunt
- - Stealth Rock
- [14:42:25] %Katy: this our rocker
- [14:42:30] #Yellow Paint: sure
- [14:42:40] %Katy: we need a last clue-poke
- [14:42:40] #MrAldo: gotta be tran here yeah
- [14:42:51] #MrAldo: mmm
- [14:43:25] %Katy: a ground type
- [14:43:33] #Yellow Paint: exca?
- [14:43:44] #Yellow Paint: really worried about opposing kyurem
- [14:43:56] #Yellow Paint: ground seems like it'd be even more dangerous
- [14:44:28] %Katy: excadrill seems ok
- [14:44:36] %Katy: but like mh lemme think a quick mom
- [14:45:29] %Katy: we can go
- [14:45:33] %Katy: specially defensive clef
- [14:45:39] %Katy: for opp kyurem and draga
- [14:45:50] #Yellow Paint: yeah, spdef clef was mentioned earlier
- [14:45:54] #Yellow Paint: [14:45:45] tsyon✿:(Private to %Yellow Paint) Scizor improves the teams matchup against kyurem while also being able to check lele and rilla as well for the team
- [14:46:06] %Katy: oh scizor
- [14:46:09] #MrAldo: for insurance Id always run timid kyurem or at least give it some consideration
- [14:46:09] %Katy: THAT is good
- [14:46:17] #MrAldo: yeh, I like scizor here as well
- [14:46:26] #Yellow Paint: thanks for the rec!
- [14:46:33] #Yellow Paint: and yeah timid kyurem makes sense
- [14:46:51] #Yellow Paint: defog scizor still?
- [14:47:05] #Yellow Paint: or roost u turn
- [14:47:48] #Yellow Paint: !code
- Kyurem @ Choice Specs
- Ability: Pressure
- EVs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
- Timid Nature
- IVs: 0 Atk
- - Ice Beam
- - Freeze-Dry
- - Focus Blast
- - Earth Power
- Zeraora @ Heavy-Duty Boots
- Ability: Volt Absorb
- EVs: 252 Atk / 4 Def / 252 Spe
- Jolly Nature
- - Plasma Fists
- - Volt Switch
- - Knock Off
- - Close Combat
- Heatran @ Leftovers
- Ability: Flash Fire
- EVs: 252 HP / 128 SpD / 128 Spe
- Calm Nature
- IVs: 0 Atk
- - Magma Storm
- - Earth Power
- - Taunt
- - Stealth Rock
- Dragonite @ Heavy-Duty Boots
- Ability: Multiscale
- EVs: 248 HP / 52 Atk / 52 Def / 152 Spe
- Jolly Nature
- - Dragon Dance
- - Dual Wingbeat
- - Earthquake
- - Roost
- Tapu Fini @ Choice Scarf
- Ability: Misty Surge
- EVs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
- Timid Nature
- IVs: 0 Atk
- - Moonblast
- - Hydro Pump
- - Trick
- - Defog
- Scizor @ Leftovers
- Ability: Technician
- EVs: 248 HP / 8 Def / 252 SpD
- Careful Nature
- - Bullet Punch
- - U-turn
- - Roost
- - Knock Off
- [14:47:50] #Yellow Paint: how's those 6?
- [14:48:24] %Katy: !code
- Scizor @ Leftovers
- Ability: Technician
- EVs: 248 HP / 8 Def / 252 SpD
- Careful Nature
- - Bullet Punch
- - U-turn
- - Roost
- - Knock Off
- [14:48:31] %Katy: tis the sciz
- [14:48:44] #Yellow Paint: that's the same sciz right
- [14:48:49] #Yellow Paint: or am I misreading
- [14:48:52] %Ika Ika Musume: Yes it is
- [14:48:55] #Yellow Paint: cool
- [14:48:56] %Katy: oh ya si si
- [14:49:10] #Yellow Paint: alright, how about thoughts on the team overall now?
- [14:49:26] %Katy: dniter itself checks alot of stuff
- [14:49:40] %Katy: heatran, rillaboom, kartana
- [14:50:03] %Katy: and most pokes the other pokemon in the teams check, are checked bya dnite too
- [14:50:04] #Yellow Paint: urshi neatly answered with dnite + fini as well
- [14:50:12] %Katy: by*
- [14:50:13] %Ika Ika Musume: How does it do vs powerful grounds
- [14:50:14] #Yellow Paint: [14:50:03] tsyon✿:(Private to %Yellow Paint) Ik dnite has eq and can check zera, but isn’t it also a bit problematic
- [14:50:43] %Katy: i think dnite
- [14:50:46] %Katy: checks zera just fine
- [14:51:35] %Katy: 252 Atk Zeraora Plasma Fists vs. 248 HP / 52 Def Dragonite: 145-172 (37.6 - 44.6%) -- guaranteed 3HKO
- [14:51:47] %Katy: w/o multi up
- [14:52:47] %Katy: I think all in all the team compliments each others weaknesses p well
- [14:52:59] #Yellow Paint: yeah, seems quite balanced considering the lead pair
- [14:53:09] %Katy: with momentum / pivot potential, a hard breaker in kyurem
- [14:53:19] %Katy: and speed control in forme of fini
- [14:53:33] #Yellow Paint: cool
- [14:53:41] %Katy: dragonite naturally checking half the meta is a godsent too
- [14:54:04] #Yellow Paint: /announce https://pokepast.es/dca4b1eb3f40252b
- [14:54:07] #Yellow Paint: paste of team 1
- [14:54:13] #Yellow Paint: alright, so for team 2
- [14:54:40] %Katy: suggest cores <3
- [14:54:44] #Yellow Paint: I guess we can bring back sd terrak and volcarona + reuni as first options
- [14:54:50] #Yellow Paint: but yes folks, please pm me more suggestions
- [14:54:55] #Yellow Paint: or other staff
- [14:55:38] #Yellow Paint: kommo-o+weavile
- [14:56:12] #Yellow Paint: [14:55:50] tsyon✿: Gastrodon + bulky np torn-t
- [14:56:21] #Yellow Paint: that's a good 4
- [14:57:38] A poll was started by Yellow Paint.
- [14:57:43] #Yellow Paint: err
- [14:58:03] A poll was started by Yellow Paint.
- [15:02:45] #Yellow Paint: alright, close one, but sd terrak wins!
- [15:02:55] %Ika Ika Musume: Cool :3
- [15:03:08] #Yellow Paint: what does sd terrak do well at, and where does it need support?
- [15:03:20] #MrAldo: SD Terrak
- [15:03:30] #Yellow Paint: obv things come to mind that anything faster than it like kart, rilla, pult
- [15:03:30] #MrAldo: I really like terrak
- [15:03:34] #Yellow Paint: will threaten it a lot
- [15:03:57] %Ika Ika Musume: As a non ou player I instantly look at two things, how do I get terrak in and how do I get rid of that which annoys it
- [15:03:57] %Katy: great breaker once you get it going
- [15:04:08] %Katy: one approach be
- [15:04:09] #Yellow Paint: [15:03:45] luxrrayster: it does well In most the cases cuz of its huge move Pool that counters alot of mons that counters it
- [15:04:12] %Katy: the hyper offense one
- [15:04:14] %Ika Ika Musume: Instantly I'm thinking teleport future sight
- [15:04:22] %Katy: dual screens / hazard stack
- [15:04:33] %Ika Ika Musume: Or what Katy says
- [15:04:57] #Yellow Paint: [15:04:43] HawkOp2099: If ho screens offense is the best
- [15:05:07] #Yellow Paint: seems like people are a fan of screens
- [15:05:12] %Katy: i would say koko or alo tales
- [15:05:16] %Katy: when dual screens
- [15:05:45] #MrAldo: either that or the usual futureport shenanigans
- [15:05:54] #Yellow Paint: koko seems like a better direct answer
- [15:05:57] #MrAldo: good abuser of it since it pummels all future sight switch-ins
- [15:06:04] #Yellow Paint: to the faster mons
- [15:06:08] #MrAldo: but for variety think the HO approach would be cooler
- [15:06:13] %Katy: we can go w grimmsnarl
- [15:06:15] #Yellow Paint: yeah, ho screens could work
- [15:06:17] %Katy: is a pult check
- [15:06:35] %Katy: !code
- tsyon✿: Grimmsnarl seems kinda cool as a screen setter since it helps with pult and ensure screens get yo
- [15:06:40] %Katy: i condone that suggestion tbh
- [15:06:44] %Katy: if we go d-screens
- [15:06:48] %Katy: thanks tyson :)
- [15:06:52] #Yellow Paint: yeah, unique direction to take it
- [15:06:58] #Yellow Paint: sd terrak/grimm then?
- [15:07:05] %Katy: ya
- [15:07:08] #Yellow Paint: i assume terrak is just sd cc stone edge eq?
- [15:07:22] %Katy: we can do
- [15:07:24] %Katy: megahorn
- [15:07:27] %Katy: as a tang lure
- [15:07:30] %Katy: if you wanna be that spicy
- [15:07:47] %Katy: also lures the less common slowbro
- [15:07:51] %Katy: and the more common slowking
- [15:08:14] %Katy: what we can also do is dual dance terrak
- [15:08:15] #Yellow Paint: can slowking actually risk switching into an sd?
- [15:08:17] %Katy: sd + rp
- [15:08:43] %Ika Ika Musume: Even banded edge is gonna destroy king
- [15:09:15] %Katy: eh i think we dont need megahorn
- [15:09:19] %Katy: ya si si
- [15:09:42] %Ika Ika Musume: I think it's better to have a complimentary sweeper that loves having tang in
- [15:10:17] %Katy: tyson said rock polish under screens can also be nice as it makes up for terrakions middling speed tier
- [15:10:27] %Katy: sd + rp + 2 att
- [15:11:04] #Yellow Paint: double dance seems risky but if we're building around
- [15:11:07] #Yellow Paint: we can definitely compensate
- [15:11:48] #Yellow Paint: if it's double dance, there would definitely need to be an additional breaker, right?
- [15:11:57] #Yellow Paint: like heatran etc
- [15:13:09] #Yellow Paint: [15:13:00] meme0267: what about nasty plot torn with terrak, terrak beats zapdos and torn beats tangrowth
- [15:13:24] %Katy: sounds good
- [15:13:27] #Yellow Paint: this sounds like a good pair
- [15:13:27] #MrAldo: I like that idea if we go double dance, sure
- [15:13:32] #Yellow Paint: and torn has better natural speed
- [15:13:32] %Katy: to my ears
- [15:13:36] #Yellow Paint: the two pair well together
- [15:13:51] %Katy: whopever PMed me
- [15:13:52] %Katy: do again
- [15:13:55] %Katy: PS had issues
- [15:14:24] #Yellow Paint: sounds like a pretty popular choice then
- [15:14:49] #Yellow Paint: terrak/torn/grimm?
- [15:14:54] %Katy: ya sounds neat
- [15:15:17] %Katy: !code
- tsyon✿: Since this is ho we wanna overwhelm shared checks so bu zera can be nice to help pressure lando-t, tang, etc
- [15:15:21] %Katy: i like this idea
- [15:15:22] %Katy: of BU zera
- [15:15:42] %Katy: and gives us a electric
- [15:15:43] %Katy: immune
- [15:15:49] #Yellow Paint: yeah, useful to help torn
- [15:15:53] #Yellow Paint: in case terrak can't handle zap
- [15:16:08] #Yellow Paint: I think exca's an issue now
- [15:16:10] #Yellow Paint: and lando
- [15:16:39] #Yellow Paint: would our own lando work?
- [15:16:50] %Katy: it can emergency check them
- [15:17:03] %Katy: lemme think of anotehr idea
- [15:17:11] #Yellow Paint: yeah, zera isn't necessarily set in either
- [15:18:08] %Katy: i think landot can work here
- [15:18:31] #Yellow Paint: if lando, prob want a defensive answer to urshi
- [15:18:39] %Katy: grimm, landot, terrak, torn, zera, 1 last
- [15:18:42] #Yellow Paint: and kyurem
- [15:20:19] %Katy: !code
- tsyon✿: to add onto overwhelming shared checks there also sd Bulu being able to check lando-t here, and enjoys the pressure to things like zap, tang, etc, also grassy terrain is nice for the team
- [15:20:36] %Katy: bulu can also help at least
- [15:20:43] %Katy: relieve the pressure
- [15:20:49] %Katy: which shifu gives us
- [15:20:51] #Yellow Paint: for sure
- [15:21:09] #Yellow Paint: btw, what's the argument between bulu and rilla?
- [15:21:29] %Ika Ika Musume: It's worse vs drill too
- [15:21:56] %Katy: mh bulu better vs shifu but rilla better vs drill
- [15:21:58] %Ika Ika Musume: It's better vs cc from urshifu
- [15:22:01] %Katy: mhhhhhh
- [15:22:25] %Katy: we can also go mew
- [15:22:28] %Katy: instead of landot
- [15:22:32] %Katy: to take care of kyurem
- [15:22:37] %Katy: as the rocker
- [15:22:58] %Katy: that would be considerable
- [15:23:24] #Yellow Paint: that could work
- [15:23:40] #Yellow Paint: and yeah mew is a lot reliable defensively in general
- [15:23:52] #Yellow Paint: would definitely want something else with a solid exca matchup then
- [15:23:55] %Katy: mew can take care of kyurem, lele, shifu
- [15:24:01] %Katy: as a midground pokemon
- [15:24:46] #Yellow Paint: btw for the chat in general
- [15:25:12] #Yellow Paint: we're currently at double dance terrak/np tornadus/screens grimmsnarl/bulk up zeraora/mew or lando
- [15:25:45] #Yellow Paint: could you get a paste going for the 4 at least?
- [15:25:57] #Yellow Paint: bc those ones seem pretty set rn
- [15:27:46] %Katy: !code
- Grimmsnarl (M) @ Light Clay
- Ability: Prankster
- EVs: 92 HP / 252 Atk / 164 Spe
- Adamant Nature
- - Reflect
- - Light Screen
- - Taunt
- - Spirit Break / Thunder Wave
- Terrakion @ Life Orb
- Ability: Justified
- EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
- Jolly Nature
- - Swords Dance
- - Close Combat
- - Stone Edge
- - Rock Polish
- Tornadus-Therian (M) @ Heavy-Duty Boots
- Ability: Regenerator
- EVs: 4 Def / 252 SpA / 252 Spe
- Timid Nature
- IVs: 0 Atk
- - Nasty Plot
- - Hurricane
- - Focus Blast
- - Heat Wave
- Zeraora @ Heavy-Duty Boots
- Ability: Volt Absorb
- EVs: 252 Atk / 4 Def / 252 Spe
- Jolly Nature
- - Plasma Fists
- - Bulk Up
- - Close Combat
- - Knock Off
- [15:27:51] %Katy: what we have right now
- [15:27:53] #Yellow Paint: thanks
- [15:28:11] #Yellow Paint: how about a poll between mew and lando?
- [15:28:30] A poll was started by Yellow Paint.
- [15:30:23] #Yellow Paint: I'll end in a minute, looks like mew's winning
- [15:30:47] #Yellow Paint: ok, assuming it's mew, how about a third?
- [15:30:52] #Yellow Paint: err, sixth*
- [15:32:41] %Katy: !code
- tsyon✿: how about going add some bulk into torn-t that way it can take hits from rilla, kart, and drill, that way Bulu can take on urshifu-r and opposing zera for the team
- [15:32:46] %Katy: seems like a nice approach
- [15:32:55] %Katy: if we go for bulu
- [15:33:00] #Yellow Paint: sounds like a great suggestion yeah
- [15:33:48] #Yellow Paint: I've got nothing against bulu for the last
- [15:33:56] %Katy: same
- [15:34:01] %Katy: i have a mew set planned out
- [15:34:10] #Yellow Paint: exca should be answered enough
- [15:34:13] #Yellow Paint: and zera too
- [15:34:17] %Katy: !code
- Mew @ Red Card
- Ability: Synchronize
- EVs: 252 HP / 4 Atk / 252 Spe
- Jolly Nature
- - Stealth Rock
- - Spikes
- - Earthquake
- - Will-O-Wisp
- [15:34:26] %Katy: wisp
- [15:34:29] %Katy: for exca
- [15:34:31] %Katy: and chomp
- [15:34:35] #Yellow Paint: oh, eq even with terrain?
- [15:34:35] %Katy: and such things
- [15:34:43] %Katy: tran
- [15:34:50] %Katy: oh wait we can go
- [15:34:53] #Yellow Paint: high horsepower
- [15:35:00] #Yellow Paint: right?
- [15:35:01] %Katy: yessss
- [15:35:04] %Katy: exactly :)
- [15:35:52] %Katy: tyson gives us a bulkier tornt spread <3
- [15:35:56] %Katy: thank you tyson ^.^
- [15:36:14] #Yellow Paint: yeah, the chat's been mvps this time
- [15:36:24] #Yellow Paint: unfortunately we're a wee bit short staffed this time around
- [15:36:25] %Katy: also bulu which set?
- [15:36:34] #Yellow Paint: imo, just av
- [15:36:44] #Yellow Paint: team could just use some regular bulk
- [15:36:52] %Katy: ye av sounds good
- [15:37:21] #Yellow Paint: wood hammer/horn leech/cc/megahorn?
- [15:37:40] #Yellow Paint: or somethign else last
- [15:38:04] %Katy: Tyson gave us this: EVs: 80 HP / 44 Def / 132 SpA / 252 Spe and he said it helps with kartanas smart strikes
- [15:38:16] %Katy: for torn
- [15:38:22] #Yellow Paint: sure
- [15:38:27] #Yellow Paint: and yeah switching into kart is important
- [15:38:42] %Katy: what do we want on tornt? uturn or heat wave?
- [15:38:45] %Katy: as last slot
- [15:38:57] #Yellow Paint: I think heat wave last slot
- [15:39:03] #Yellow Paint: team is a bit lacking in the coverage area
- [15:39:08] #Yellow Paint: and there's really not too much to bring in to tank
- [15:40:02] %Katy: ya h-wave seems good
- [15:40:09] %Katy: i think with aqv bulu
- [15:40:12] #Yellow Paint: I'm just gonna put 252 hp 252 atk on bulu?
- [15:40:21] #Yellow Paint: or do we have a speed tier to hit like tran
- [15:40:35] %Katy: we need smth which can live volcs flamethrower and retaliates with stone edge Tson said
- [15:40:42] %Katy: Zyson*
- [15:40:46] %Katy: Tyson*
- [15:40:48] #Yellow Paint: oh, stone edge over megahorn, makes sense
- [15:41:01] #Yellow Paint: would help with zapdos as well
- [15:41:09] %Katy: i think we can confidently go max hp and max spdef?
- [15:41:10] #Yellow Paint: bc terrak is our main answer to that
- [15:41:38] #Yellow Paint: sure, max hp spdef should work
- [15:42:30] #Yellow Paint: !code
- Grimmsnarl (M) @ Light Clay
- Ability: Prankster
- EVs: 92 HP / 252 Atk / 164 Spe
- Adamant Nature
- - Reflect
- - Light Screen
- - Taunt
- - Spirit Break / Thunder Wave
- Terrakion @ Life Orb
- Ability: Justified
- EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
- Jolly Nature
- - Swords Dance
- - Close Combat
- - Stone Edge
- - Rock Polish
- Tornadus-Therian (M) @ Heavy-Duty Boots
- Ability: Regenerator
- EVs: 80 HP / 44 Def / 132 SpA / 252 Spe
- Timid Nature
- IVs: 0 Atk
- - Nasty Plot
- - Hurricane
- - Focus Blast
- - Heat Wave
- Zeraora @ Heavy-Duty Boots
- Ability: Volt Absorb
- EVs: 252 Atk / 4 Def / 252 Spe
- Jolly Nature
- - Plasma Fists
- - Bulk Up
- - Close Combat
- - Knock Off
- Mew @ Red Card
- Ability: Synchronize
- EVs: 252 HP / 4 Atk / 252 Spe
- Jolly Nature
- - Stealth Rock
- - Spikes
- - High Horsepower
- - Will-O-Wisp
- Tapu Bulu @ Assault Vest
- Ability: Grassy Surge
- EVs: 252 HP / 252 SpD / 4 Spe
- Careful Nature
- - Wood Hammer
- - Horn Leech
- - Close Combat
- - Stone Edge
- [15:42:35] #Yellow Paint: how's this for the final 6?
- [15:42:50] %Katy: oh wait
- [15:42:53] %Katy: over wood hammer
- [15:42:55] %Katy: megahorn
- [15:42:57] #Yellow Paint: ah
- [15:42:58] %Katy: lure tang
- [15:43:21] #Yellow Paint: done
- [15:43:30] #Yellow Paint: any other comments on the teams overall?
- [15:43:32] %Katy: we can put the remaining 4 on bulu into att
- [15:43:39] #Yellow Paint: sure ok
- [15:43:41] %Katy: to have some tiny damage although its not much
- [15:45:02] %Katy: we can go leftovers over boots on zeraora
- [15:45:15] %Katy: Tyson thinks its great with additional recovery from grassy
- [15:45:24] %Katy: to pressure corv and skarm even further
- [15:45:55] #Yellow Paint: sure, it's bulk up regardless
- [15:46:01] %Ika Ika Musume: Sand Drill kinda still terrifies me with this team
- [15:46:12] %Ika Ika Musume: I guess bulu does help
- [15:46:18] %Katy: bulu and mew ya
- [15:46:31] #Yellow Paint: yeah, mew is the big answer cause it just burns it
- [15:46:44] #Yellow Paint: oh what about grimm
- [15:46:48] #Yellow Paint: are we spirit break or twave
- [15:46:55] #Yellow Paint: imo twave
- [15:47:01] #Yellow Paint: because it threatens pult equally well
- [15:47:11] #Yellow Paint: and you can just throw it out a lot easier
- [15:47:30] %Katy: twave
- [15:47:34] %Katy: to cripple things further
- [15:47:38] %Katy: twave + wisp
- [15:47:42] %Katy: and hazard stack + screens
- [15:47:45] %Katy: is a deadly
- [15:47:58] #Yellow Paint: yeah, alright so twave grimm
- [15:48:04] #Yellow Paint: and then it'll be full bulk ofc
- [15:49:01] #Yellow Paint: !code
- Grimmsnarl (M) @ Light Clay
- Ability: Prankster
- EVs: 252 HP / 252 Def / 4 SpD
- Bold Nature
- IVs: 0 Atk
- - Reflect
- - Light Screen
- - Taunt
- - Thunder Wave
- Terrakion @ Life Orb
- Ability: Justified
- EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
- Jolly Nature
- - Swords Dance
- - Close Combat
- - Stone Edge
- - Rock Polish
- Tornadus-Therian (M) @ Heavy-Duty Boots
- Ability: Regenerator
- EVs: 80 HP / 44 Def / 132 SpA / 252 Spe
- Timid Nature
- IVs: 0 Atk
- - Nasty Plot
- - Hurricane
- - Focus Blast
- - Heat Wave
- Zeraora @ Leftovers
- Ability: Volt Absorb
- EVs: 252 Atk / 4 Def / 252 Spe
- Jolly Nature
- - Plasma Fists
- - Bulk Up
- - Close Combat
- - Knock Off
- Mew @ Red Card
- Ability: Synchronize
- EVs: 252 HP / 4 Atk / 252 Spe
- Jolly Nature
- - Stealth Rock
- - Spikes
- - High Horsepower
- - Will-O-Wisp
- Tapu Bulu @ Assault Vest
- Ability: Grassy Surge
- EVs: 252 HP / 4 Atk / 252 SpD
- Careful Nature
- - Horn Leech
- - Close Combat
- - Stone Edge
- - Megahorn
- [15:49:04] #Yellow Paint: alright, how about now?
- [15:50:12] %Katy: looks good
- [15:50:21] %Katy: to my eyes
- [15:50:26] #Yellow Paint: sure, looks like a good place to end it then
- [15:50:47] #Yellow Paint: /announce https://pokepast.es/43e5d814dcb6a7f4
- [15:50:48] #Yellow Paint: team 2
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