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- 01[07:07] <Alratan> Hi Bob
- [07:11] <TheBeardiestBob> Hey
- 01[07:12] <Alratan> how are things going?
- [07:12] <TheBeardiestBob> update, case you did not see.
- [07:12] <TheBeardiestBob> fine
- 01[07:12] <Alratan> saw the update
- 01[07:12] <Alratan> not quite my intention
- 01[07:12] <Alratan> or rather, only a bit of it
- 01[07:12] <Alratan> but nm
- 01[07:13] <Alratan> on Stallon's worshippers
- 01[07:14] <Alratan> was trying to practice DDDD, and turn their verbal judo back on them
- 01[07:14] <Alratan> but anyway
- [07:14] <TheBeardiestBob> If you complain about something in an in-thread post, and it's not in spoilers, unless it's explicitly meta, it is fair game as Armas' thoughts. If Armas was speaking about those things, it's because they were on his mind.
- [07:14] <TheBeardiestBob> Which took precedence over your intent
- [07:14] <TheBeardiestBob> since it was the first step of the process
- 01[07:14] <Alratan> Yep, he did a bad job this entire last bargaining session, and he should recognise that
- 01[07:14] <Alratan> the Laib Olmai ran rings around him
- 01[07:15] <Alratan> He needed to notice that, first off, so he coudl raise his game
- [07:15] <TheBeardiestBob> ...Because they have higher bartering Traits.
- [07:15] <TheBeardiestBob> Ah-duh
- [07:15] <TheBeardiestBob> three level advantage means fuck you.
- [07:15] <TheBeardiestBob> one or two sure
- 01[07:15] <Alratan> basically, that's why I kept avcating we kill the,
- 01[07:16] <Alratan> because we were getting ripped off
- [07:16] <TheBeardiestBob> but this was done in a way Armas thought flowing enough he doesn't feel inclined to question it unless he gets more 'hey wait' incidents like this. This is why you can get away with alot of your manipulating-you over level so much your actions don't even register consciously.
- 01[07:16] <Alratan> hmm
- [07:16] <TheBeardiestBob> And then Einrik'd be pissed, because there'd be a pile of bodies and HE'd have to cop to it to the Finnish dragon, who does indeed care about the movement of Sieidis and other magically potent items.
- [07:17] <TheBeardiestBob> if you killed the laib olmai
- [07:17] <TheBeardiestBob> because they are the ones who have to do that while waiting for the rest of their tribe at the sieidis
- 01[07:18] <Alratan> fair enough, still, Einrik offerred to radically mind fuck them from the start, and that was my preferred option, really
- 01[07:19] <Alratan> still, not taking the pieces of emerald that were actually Stallon, and forgetting that he was due the prisoners, and had received no guarantees that they weren't going to be executed or sacrificed as soon as he left
- [07:19] <TheBeardiestBob> Well that's because he MAY have left innate inclinations to serve him in their minds while fiddling about
- 01[07:19] <Alratan> seems a bit of an oversight
- [07:19] <TheBeardiestBob> MAAAAYBE
- [07:19] <TheBeardiestBob> Not due the prisoners dude
- 01[07:20] <Alratan> spoils of war include chattels
- [07:20] <TheBeardiestBob> they EXPLICITLY stressed that at all points in the dealmaking
- [07:20] <TheBeardiestBob> they told you they'd kill and/or die for it
- [07:20] <TheBeardiestBob> MULTIPLE times
- [07:20] <TheBeardiestBob> so the fuck you talking?
- 01[07:20] <Alratan> it's what the word means
- [07:21] <TheBeardiestBob> It doesn't fucking matter, this agreement that you entered PRECEDED the one that was spoils of war
- 01[07:21] <Alratan> spoils is both material goods and cjattles
- [07:21] <TheBeardiestBob> so this was already exempted
- 01[07:21] <Alratan> no
- 01[07:21] <Alratan> we agreed to talk about what happened to the prisoners after the abttle
- [07:21] <TheBeardiestBob> Unless you want to lose WLG and standing in supernatural
- 01[07:21] <Alratan> we never agreed tthey could have the prisoners permanently
- [07:22] <TheBeardiestBob> No-you refused to verbally answer, while they weren't asking a question, but making a statement-try to take, we fight, one dies
- [07:22] <TheBeardiestBob> So taking them equates to killing the shaman
- 01[07:22] <Alratan> no
- 01[07:22] <Alratan> rereading
- 01[07:22] <Alratan> a sec
- 01[07:23] <Alratan> ""It's good he has someone to watch over him, with a mouth like that. But he isn't worth worrying about for now, when the battle is done and Stallon defeated is the time for such discussions, along with the distribution of the spoils and chattels gained." "
- 01[07:23] <Alratan> he then said
- 01[07:23] <Alratan> ">[Dávgon][In Finnish]"I have your word, then, that you'll return to free him?"
- 01[07:23] <Alratan> >>345731
- 01[07:23] <Alratan> "Worry about watching your prisoners with such a comrade as that at your side. "
- 01[07:24] <Alratan> there's no way that can be construed as agreement to let them keep them
- [07:24] <TheBeardiestBob> Al, it matters fuckall what Armas says when THE OTHER PARTY made a statement of cause and effect.
- 01[07:24] <Alratan> as they're explcitly mentioned, on top of being included as spoils
- [07:24] <TheBeardiestBob> This isn't about Armas, it's about the other guys saying hey if you do this then we will fight.
- [07:24] <TheBeardiestBob> So armas could have gobbled like a chicken and licked his nuts
- [07:24] <TheBeardiestBob> same end result
- [07:24] <TheBeardiestBob> since they were just stating this.
- 01[07:24] <Alratan> it's them saying, if you take them, then we die, so we'll do anything we ahve to
- 01[07:25] <Alratan> that puts Armas in an amazing negotiating position
- [07:25] <TheBeardiestBob> Not really, since for them it's not a bluff and that coupled with their higher collective haggle means they either force it to a fight and say fuck it-and frankly two among them were instant game over fucks nevermind Armas' fun-so really.... no, it didn't.
- [07:26] <TheBeardiestBob> They were willing to die, and cognizant of the risk of telling a haggler this
- [07:26] <TheBeardiestBob> and still did it.
- 01[07:27] <Alratan> Also, you understand, I pretty much wanted to get them killed for how they used Armas to kill Rastos
- 01[07:27] <Alratan> but that's gone now
- 01[07:27] <Alratan> anyway, was going to ask something about Amen yesterday
- [07:29] <TheBeardiestBob> And you now know that had you gotten your way and killed them Einrik would be SERIOUSLY butthurt that he'd have to make an official appearance to the Finnish Dragon to represent his clan, and THEN have to answer for that to his father the head of his clan.
- [07:29] <TheBeardiestBob> Which would have been not good at all for Armas
- 01[07:30] <Alratan> Perhaps Einrik shouldn't throw his friends into circumstances they know nothing about and start merrily killing if he doesn't expect his friends to take the hint and start killing as well
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