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  1. Lesta Nediam LNC2016-06-08 1545 +mistermaximal
  2. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N2N6KwFPEn0&google_comment_id=z133zrvahmfucbp3d22ltj1bbsrcjbkla
  3. https://pastebin.com/X0Zmw64X
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  7. +mistermaximal __ Unfortunately I have to type quickly and I may not be as clear as I need to be - but any confusion can be cleared up with any follow-up messages.
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  11. My position - and the point I am trying to make about the "ISS" - is widely misunderstood.
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  15. I am not at all like any other so-called "ISS skeptics" and I am not a part of any so-called "flat Earth" movement etc. Or anything like that.
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  19. I am wholly independent (here on YouTube and on the Internet itself) and what I have to say about the "ISS" is understood by only a disfigured handful of people.
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  23. Literally, perhaps +nationalparksign and +Terran Downvale are the only two people who are active and understand what I am about to write about.
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  28. If you are an intelligent, rational and honest person you can become a third person!
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  32. I will try to explain my point to you. First of all, here is the relevant part of what you wrote:
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  36. _"But I have yet to find anything that indicates that the ISS isn't real. And simply the absence of a 10-minute inside ISS video doesn't really qualify, at all."_
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  44. The first point is that *it is not about looking for evidence that proves the "ISS" isn't real*. It is not about the "ISS" being real (and manned) or not.
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  48. (The "ISS" to me is useful in that it serves as a perfect example for pointing out that "sufficient proof is being intentionally withheld" - I will explain that in a moment.)
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  52. I am not asserting that there is no real and manned "ISS" *for there may indeed be a real _and_ manned "ISS"!*
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  56. I am not committed to the idea it does or does not exist. The assumption that I assert the "ISS" does not exist is a misconception.
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  62. (However - and this is only my *personal opinion* - I don't find the "evidence" to support the "ISS" compelling. What "evidence" there is - I find lacking. That does not mean the "ISS" doesn't exist! I just don't find it a persuasive reason to believe in the absence of sufficient proof. One example that I will be posting about "soon" is that everyone knows an "astronaut" must learn Russian to earn the privilege of living, eating and sh!tting in zero gravity. They have to pilot a Soyuz which is entirely in Russian. Yet the Russian language skills of the native English speakers is rudimentary at best! And so if there is a real and manned "ISS" - then the idea that "astronauts" are also skilled linguists is being exaggerated. Another aspect has to do with their eating and "swallowing of food" but this reply isn't about why I don't find the "evidence" compelling.)
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  70. The second point is that - of course - the absence of "proof" is not proof to the contrary. Just because there does not exist the kind of qualifying footage I am asking for does not mean there is no real and manned "ISS".
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  74. Just because there does not exist a mere 10 minutes of genuine zero gravity footage that upon scrutiny remains free from glaring glitches, clever cuts, sneaky edits and misdirecting pans means *nothing whatsoever about the reality or unreality of the "ISS"*.
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  78. Instead - its absence tells us something else - something much more profound.
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  82. That after more than 15+ years of an alleged "ISS" - with hundreds to thousands of videos - many running for over an hour in duration - the absence of such qualifying footage is profound - _just not for reasons most think._
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  86. The reason it is profound is as follows: If someone tells you that X exists but only ever offers you the appearances of proof for X - then if you actually believe X exists it is not because of anything you have seen about X but rather *only because you trust the person who told you that X exists*.
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  90. If that was confusingly written - read over it again!
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  94. If X really does exist then no actual harm has been done to you. You simply have a true belief that is not justified. We all have thousands of those.
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  98. But if X *does not* exist yet you believe it does - then you have indeed been harmed. You have been _*guiled*_ into believing a falsehood (and one that to you feels like a certainty).
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  102. As I say - there may be a real and manned "ISS". If there is a real and manned "ISS" but we are not shown sufficient proof for it - then we have not technically been harmed.
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  106. However!
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  110. If we believe that there is a real and manned "ISS" - *without sufficient proof* - then something else has happened. *What has happened is that those who are telling us there is a real and manned "ISS" have gained our trust*.
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  114. Trusting liars - that is where the danger lies.
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  118. If it's the case that there is a real and manned "ISS" *but it's not possible to ever provide sufficient proof (qualifying footage) for it* - then again - no harm is done and our trust hasn't been abused.
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  122. We cannot suspect someone of being dishonest if there was no way for them to have proved their claim!
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  126. But there is no reason why we cannot be shown sufficient proof for a permanent zero gravity environment. _And so the people who are telling us it's real are doing something a bit sly._
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  130. *To a key point:* Let us pretend there is a real and manned "ISS".
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  134. >>> *If it is also possible to show sufficient proof of it (e.g., qualifying footage) but we are intentionally not permitted to see it - then we have been manipulated*. <<<
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  138. (And as I say - of course it's possible.)
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  142. Everyone who believes there is a real and manned "ISS" (yourself included) *has actually formed that belief wholly on trust*.
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  146. [Continued after a brief aside.]
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  156. *An aside:* I too believed there was a real and manned "ISS" until I figured out we were all born into a lie system. That's when I realised that my belief - which felt like knowledge - it felt like a certain belief - was instead unjustified.
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  160. The lie system - _as a best practice_ - withholds sufficient proof for as many of its claims as possible.
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  164. *This best practice is that:* We were born into a lie system where everything we are told is either an outright lie or at best a half-truth (distortion). *The only exceptions are self-evident truths that can be figured out by oneself*.
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  168. [While you may initially want to reject these words - if you let them sink in you will find that they describe how we are daily treated. We are not told lies where it is possible for us to figure something out. But where something cannot be figured out by us [e.g., the "ISS" - it becomes ripe for deceit, distortions, misrepresentations and shenanigans. We are forced to trust those who are telling the story.]
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  178. [Continued..]
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  182. It may well be a true belief! (Though one that has been formed on proof's appearances.)
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  186. Everyone is trusting people who could easily show sufficient proof (after all, qualifying footage of the "ISS" could be filmed and posted to YouTube in probably the next 20 minutes to an hour) but are intentionally choosing not to.
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  190. The people who are telling us X is true AND CAN SUFFICIENTLY PROVE that X is true - are intentionally withholding sufficient proof - thereby FORCING us to TRUST that X is true. And with time and repetition - the population becomes dependent.
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  198. Right now - your belief in the "ISS" may well be a true belief but it is an unjustified belief.
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  202. While that seems innocent - and when it comes to friends and family it is - but when it comes to "authority" this is far from innocent.
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  206. We can only believe a lie if we trust the source because a lie can never be justified.
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  210. By taking true things and withholding sufficient proof for them - a dependency in a population is created.
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  214. When a population believes true things without justification *they can then easily be told falsehoods which will be accepted and believed as though they were true things* - all because there is no expectation or requirement to see sufficient proof.
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  218. When you trust someone you don't demand proof after everything the person says! Our trust *must* be gained before we can be lied to (without revolt).
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  222. It is the strategy of withholding sufficient proof (with true things - and necessarily with false things) that creates this trust dependency.
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  226. And for this strategy to be effective it must happen with all things. Not just the "ISS" *but with everything you see on the nightly news as well*.
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  234. As I say I am having to type quickly and may not be making as much sense as I could/should.
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  238. The reason the "ISS" is so important is because after 15+ years we would have expected to see sufficient proof (qualifying footage) purely by dumb chance and blind luck by now.
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  242. The fact we haven't is what suggests it is intentional (like nothing else). The fact we haven't suggests it is a kind of "policy".
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  246. The "ISS" is what "proves the lie system". If not for the "ISS" it would need to be something else - but there really isn't anything quite like the "ISS". The absence of sufficient proof is a feature of the nightly news - but the news cycle (the so-called "24-hour news cycle") means we have no expectation of seeing sufficient proof.
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  250. Perhaps only the "ISS" does!
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  254. Does a "good system" intentionally withhold sufficient proof from its population thus forcing everyone to trust and use their imagination to fill in the blanks? I'd say not!
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  260. Another example of withholding sufficient proof would be that there is no worthwhile footage of the "ISS" getting constructed. I posted a short video about that which may interest you: watch?v=iOS8VG_c430
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  268. If you believe a liar is telling the truth then you do not perceive a liar. You instead perceive a truth teller. You perceive a good person.
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  272. If a liar has gained your trust then you become powerless to resist believing the lies you are told which you can imagine to be true.
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  280. Again - it is not about the "ISS" so much. It's that the "ISS" provides us with a perfect example of sufficient proof being withheld.
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  284. There may or may not be an "ISS"! Without sufficient proof it is possible there may not be an "ISS" - _but as I wrote earlier_ - the absence of sufficient proof is not proof of the contrary. It is only proof that sufficient proof isn't present. *And that's the issue*.
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  288. I've written a lot (and in haste) and I am probably not going to be able to write much more until at least tomorrow (let alone read over what I've just written!). And so I have looped in +nationalparksign and +Terran Downvale because I vouch for them and they can on this issue more or less speak for me in my absence (if they wish). [Just in case you want to ask something and I am not here but they are.]
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  298. The absence of "sufficient proof" is the common denominator in all things. Take any news story - you will hear (wild) claims but see only the appearances of proof.
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  303. Did you hear about the recent alleged gorilla incident where we are to believe a 3-year-old jumped 15 feet into an unknown depth of water to play with a gorilla? Did you believe that story as soon as you heard it? If you watched the footage did you find it convincing?
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  313. *The population has been trained to accept the appearances of proof in place of proof itself*. We believe because we trust people who are in a position to lie to us (and have it immediately believed). We believe in this because of the strategy of withholding sufficient proof (of which the "ISS" makes this obvious).
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  318. The population perceives liars as truth tellers and thus heroes - all because those liars have gained our (well, your) trust.
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  323. Be sure to take a squiz at my recent "Human Echolocation" video! Link: watch?v=DMgIg-j4-Bw
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  328. Anyway!
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  332. Anyone who is asserting as a fact that the "ISS" does or does not exist is expressing an opinion only - because no one (except at a minimum the alleged "astronauts" and those involved in the video editing/processing) can know the truth.
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  336. By talking about the "ISS" (in this way) I am trying to point out how it is the population has come to trust liars as the "good guys" and truth tellers. (Would a good system ever need to function in this way?!)
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  341. If you have read all of the above then give yourself a treat!
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  344. __________________________________________
  345. Here is an annotated text file with links to all of Lesta Nediam's posts, comments, videos and discussions:
  346. https://pastebin.com/Bfr5RMSg
  347.  
  348. Here is Lesta Nediam's Google Plus posts (i.e., blog) - this is where Lesta is most active:
  349. https://plus.google.com/+LestaNediamHQ
  350.  
  351. Here is an annotated text file with links to all of Lesta Nediam's video uploads:
  352. https://pastebin.com/WV42jUb1
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  354. Here is Lesta Nediam's YouTube channel - for videos about the lie system:
  355. https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC3DalBOEZ6RqSyHk8_mGV7w
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