Elieson07/17/2018
Ohsup!
Refa07/17/2018
Sup, just wanted to talk to you about what you said in thread
(and other things, but I don't have anything to say there really)
Elieson07/17/2018
about weapons?
Refa07/17/2018
Ya
Do you think that's telling for Weapons?
Elieson07/17/2018
IN HINDSIGHT i think he was making a pull to find noobscum
but I wanna see where it goes in public
Refa07/17/2018
Ask him about it IMO
But this is the guy who claims scum after he's been lynched as town :disappointed:
So I just took it as NAI
Elieson07/17/2018
I did but he's AFK so
#WaitingGame
Refa07/17/2018
:joy:
Also is there anyone else you're bothered by?
Elieson07/17/2018
omega weems really into things and it's all meta but i'm used to him not giving two shits about anything
all those times, he's been town though
Refa07/17/2018
I'm like Snike > SB, and want to ask Yolo about Evan
Elieson07/17/2018
maybe i just suck at reading him
YEA
i wanted to ask you about SB
since youve got a sourpatch about him and you said it's mostly OC based
Refa07/17/2018
well it's mostly shinori's thing but
i think his reasons for voting shinori for tryharding because he might be itp are really graspy
and i talked it over w/shinori
Elieson07/17/2018
lemme
reread
if u can link me it'd be cool but i'm sure i can find it in FOUR pages of game
thank god it's OC, i can keep up
Refa07/17/2018
LMAO
Are you busier than usual?
Elieson07/17/2018
well
i've had my mind on the Eimm
plus i always mafia at work
i
man idk
i've never been like a leader or coordinator in eimm
just a dedicated cult of the blitz follower
blitz hardcore flaked and it threw me off when no one picked up the slack
so this whole sort of leading thing is weird for me
Refa07/17/2018
aha
Elieson07/17/2018
does nobody know that brooklyn is LG
Refa07/17/2018
Not sure!
I've been calling her Brooklyn this whole game
Elieson07/17/2018
beats me!
i caught up
Shinori's vote on SB is like
or his case on SB idr if he voted for him omg i suck
is like
"well in private he said these things to me"
in thread none of it's cited so shrug
Refa07/17/2018
You can see SB's vote that he's bothered by in public
And I gave the basic reasoning
Can't hurt to talk to Shinori more to see where his head is at, but yeah
Elieson07/17/2018
if he'd ever respond to me
Refa07/17/2018
well now's probably not a great time for most people haha
RefaLast Thursday at 12:01 PM
sup
EliesonLast Thursday at 12:02 PM
HEy
sry i've been half-assing it
f6 in eimm is stupid
actually i don't think i'ev been half'assing it
i think marth and kts have been
RefaLast Thursday at 12:03 PM
it is?
EliesonLast Thursday at 12:03 PM
and since they're my top two scumreads and not doing anythign to change, and not much else is happening, i don't have other developing reads
so i feel like i'm half-assing it but i don't think i am
and yea
THERE'S A LIAR among the ppl alive
(in EIMM)
RefaLast Thursday at 12:03 PM
why that
EliesonLast Thursday at 12:04 PM
and even if it was me, my shit failed so
last night mello shuudda died
and didn't
RefaLast Thursday at 12:04 PM
oh i see
EliesonLast Thursday at 12:04 PM
and with only a few ppl around to alter lifespans
that means shots weren't accurately or honestly claimed so
idk
we jailed knockoff-SB so he was out
RefaLast Thursday at 12:04 PM
cant confirm/deny anything there
EliesonLast Thursday at 12:05 PM
oh i know
RefaLast Thursday at 12:05 PM
why are marth/kts your scumrads?
EliesonLast Thursday at 12:05 PM
i just posted why in thread i could swear but if i didn't
marth deliberately avoiding the thread BUT placing down a vote without checking the status of votes
implies that he's being fed votal information to make sure he doesn't do something stupid
i don't feel like vote info passing is typical town behavior, even in OC
KTS because of the Me+Cam+KTS interactions, where KTS was like "I'm not gonna do shit. You guys figure out these particular players"
implying that he wants us to focus our attention on specific people that if town, would have had to literally be randomly selected, as he never said why we should focus our attention on ppl (it was Iris and someone else)
Why would town want to just be like "Hey. You. Go ISO XYZ player's posts and figure shit out on them with OC"
it wasn't "Hey, I can't figure them out. What's your opinion"
it was like a direct order
RefaLast Thursday at 12:07 PM
tbh i haven't checked the status of the votes either mostly
whenever i've voted/unvoted
yeah, i heard the same thing from cam
wrt kts
and other people as well
and he said something similar to me
EliesonLast Thursday at 1:40 PM
Oi
i'm back
sry i was
ranting to an AFK iris for like
20 minutes
and work is work
but
You handwaving it
just
saddens me
it's why i'm as frustrated as I am at the game because you
and blitz
and LG to an extent
are like "ok you may have found something but it might not be a big deal" and just moving on
IDK how to handle that
how to handle such a quick dismissal of something that I put so much time into investigating
when it is all on a 'maybe'
RefaLast Thursday at 1:47 PM
oh
sorry
ive been talking to like
six other people so i cant keep up
what did i dismiss again
EliesonLast Thursday at 1:48 PM
NICE
Refa - Today at 12:07 PM
tbh i haven't checked the status of the votes either mostly
You kinda just there went like
"well i did it so it could happen"
RefaLast Thursday at 1:49 PM
ya idt its scummy on its own
EliesonLast Thursday at 1:54 PM
sigh
it's the tandem'd vote w/o checking votes, plus the borrowed reasoning
you and blitz
are both kinda saying that
if you're both saying it
and other are handwaving i
t
then ugh it's like
i got so invested in something that was nothing
but i just don't think it is nothing
RefaLast Thursday at 1:55 PM
yeah i can get why that would be but
idk like im doing it as town so why wouldnt marth kinda thing
EliesonLast Thursday at 1:56 PM
did you skim the thread?
because marth didn't even do that
it was only 4 pages at the time
RefaLast Thursday at 1:56 PM
i did skim the thread yeah
if he didnt do that, i agree its bad play
i can ask him about it but i
went to oc him today and he was like
"gg sleeping"
:weary:
fwiw, i do agree w/your kts scumread more now
EliesonLast Thursday at 2:04 PM
Cool
and ok
I'm p.sure i posted a log of him
admitting to not viewing the thread
at the tme of the snike vote
but if not i can find it again
RefaLast Thursday at 2:05 PM
yeah you did
apparently kts wants to turbolynch me which is super bad
EliesonLast Thursday at 3:16 PM
yea
he's trying to recruit me to lynch you
elijah - Today at 1:34 PM
do u like these two top wagons much
Elieson - Today at 1:35 PM
I think many of the voters on the top wagons, are voting for pretty bad reasons
it's more several than many
i haven't really dug into Weapons or Omega's voteing reasoning
elijah - Today at 1:36 PM
i dont either
while i will concede it's likely theres a wolf between u and marth im not certain
i think refa flips wolf
what do u think
Elieson - Today at 1:36 PM
Just to share
my terminology of Wolf refers to the ITP(Serial Killer), which since in EpicMafia
with their Wolf Role
it's an ITP
I assume you mean "Wolf" as "Scum" as in "Non-Town" though(edited)
is that correct?
elijah - Today at 1:38 PM
yes
Elieson - Today at 1:39 PM
ok
I'm rereading Refa now that you brought it up
i haven't OC'd much with him but his inthread presence is kinda shaky
elijah - Today at 1:43 PM
lets lynch him
Elieson - Today at 1:44 PM
idk
what makes him 'wolfy' as you say, vs just bad town
elijah - Today at 1:45 PM
i think refa is a very likely wolf as all of his conclusions are lhf and his effort isnt indicative of his town game
now u might ask me, "elijah, refa slanked his last town game." that he did, but he slanked when it wasnt a big deal and it was.
refa is available when he needs to keep up appearances or someone asks him something, but he otherwise isnt engaged.
gonna throw out that refa read and see how people respond
Elieson - Today at 1:47 PM
refa is available when he needs to keep up appearances or someone asks him something, but he otherwise isnt engaged.
again, what makes that wolfy vs not townie
i realize you're primary case is the first sentence, hence why you said it first
but they're tied and need to make sense in tandem, otherwise it just nulls itself out
elijah - Today at 1:49 PM
first of all youre playing my reasons wifom heavy
Elieson - Today at 1:49 PM
no shit I am
if you want to start a case
elijah - Today at 1:49 PM
i could sit here and say that exact thing to anything you said minus mod confirmation
Elieson - Today at 1:49 PM
you'd better be prepard to do that at any time
elijah - Today at 1:49 PM
shut up
im talking
but, i will say that refa maintains a steady pace of activity throughout the game until typically endgame as town. his conclusions are typically thought out regardless of his activity, and when he posts, he always seems engaged. it's not the case here, and thats why hes a wolf
blame me if he doesnt flip wolf, blame me if marth does, but this is the breakthrough lynch i need
tl;dr he's meta'ing you
https://discord.gg/qXKJ9X
RefaLast Thursday at 6:09 PM
what the fuck happened
EliesonLast Thursday at 7:17 PM
KTS and Evan happened
RefaLast Thursday at 7:44 PM
?
EliesonLast Friday at 10:21 AM
AH
almost left this
thinking it was
an eimm chat
Derp
RefaLast Friday at 11:07 AM
thanks elie
EliesonLast Friday at 11:08 AM
np
hey one less OC to us
e
RefaLast Sunday at 5:14 PM
Sup, scumbuddy. How goes Operation: Mislynch Marf?
EliesonLast Sunday at 9:07 PM
if marth would even show up to show down
it'd be a lot more fun
RefaLast Sunday at 9:10 PM
ikr
EliesonLast Sunday at 9:10 PM
man
if you're scum
i gotta say
evan/kts/omega just played so hard and so stupidly
that it's making me not want to vote you out of principle
i almost hope you are just so i can learn a lesson about that
RefaLast Sunday at 9:11 PM
wouldn't that be the case if i'm town?
oh
EliesonLast Sunday at 9:11 PM
if you're town
then
RefaLast Sunday at 9:11 PM
you said
"vote me" not "not vote me"
wait no
u did say that
im so confused
EliesonLast Sunday at 9:12 PM
lol
E/K/O are like "refa's so obviscum omg lynch lynch lynch" and because they're being so adamant about it, I don't really even want to vote for you

meaning, if you're scum, their stupid behavior is saving you from me wanting to vote for you
i don't think you're being scummy but tbh i could probably go either way just because i really don't have anything that flat out gut's me as "Refa = Town" so like
if you are scum then congrats, the village idiots saved you
from an elie vote at least
i
don't know if that helped
RefaLast Sunday at 9:19 PM
oh sorry im doing things
idk whether to be happy or be like "but im not scum tho"
well i'm townreading you, so i guess it'd be happy
assuming im null, who are you bothered by? yeah i know marf but is there anyone else
EliesonLast Sunday at 10:31 PM

sry i nabbed a PB
I've got nothin on ppl like Iris and Cam (townleans) but I'm beginning to wonder about Eclipse
RefaLast Sunday at 10:32 PM
HYPE
EliesonLast Sunday at 10:32 PM
yea
THREE POINT FIVE MINUTE PB
Eclipse is like
i feel like she's way more vocal about
a little thing
but have no idea where it went
like, she had that Athena "case" but nothing happened with ti
RefaLast Sunday at 10:32 PM
i dont actually know the times for the game tbh :my_b:
EliesonLast Sunday at 10:33 PM
and that's weird to me, since Athena didn't like
do anything afaik to deserve not to be scumread by her
RefaLast Sunday at 10:33 PM
she told me she was still scumreading him
i think her reasoning made sense to me, and like from our recent convo, i'm not bothered by her? but i dont have like
any strong logic reads on her
just tone wise im like
"this seems like town" to me
ig
EliesonLast Sunday at 10:37 PM
i feel like
she'd be more like ok i'm tired of you not being addressed
not just kinda like
keeping it in her back pocket
idk maybe it's not suspicious it's just standing out
RefaLast Sunday at 10:38 PM
yeah it's more like
something i wouldn't vote eclipse for but
something i'd interact w/her more for?
im cutting her some slack cause she mentioned she was busy
EliesonLast Sunday at 10:42 PM
yea
i'll give her that too
and'
ill try reaching out to her more
OC'ing eclipse is like
idk she seems so weird in OC, i can't see her being too big on it
buit we have talked a tad is all