Crash Override Network - Dina Abou Karam

[28/12/2014, 4:33:16 PM] SF: I meant to ask Dina about that whole Mighty Number 9 thing actually if she isn't sick of it already. Like, was there ANYTHING they were objecting to beyond a piece of fanart?
[28/12/2014, 4:33:17 PM] Dina : um
[28/12/2014, 4:33:31 PM] Ian Cheong: She's a feminist. They object to that.
[28/12/2014, 4:33:32 PM] SF: Like these are people that are big fans of rule 63 so like, I didn't get the outrage.
[28/12/2014, 4:33:34 PM] Dina : oh ask away, I never got to publicly defend myself
[28/12/2014, 4:33:34 PM] Secret Gamer Girl: well, banning creeps from the forums
[28/12/2014, 4:33:46 PM] SF: Yeah but they didn't know she was yet did they?
[28/12/2014, 4:33:46 PM] Dina : in fact I was explicitly forbidden to ;D
[28/12/2014, 4:33:47 PM] Charloppe: Charloppe growls at stupid internet ppl trying to be a butt to dina
[28/12/2014, 4:33:55 PM] Secret Gamer Girl: as some sort of evil feminist witch and all that
[28/12/2014, 4:34:00 PM] Sarah, Butt-er of the Butts: their MO is basically 1) find outspoken feminist 2) make up lies about them 3) move on to new target
[28/12/2014, 4:34:01 PM] Peter Coffin: wait dina is the mighty no. 9 community manager?
[28/12/2014, 4:34:05 PM] Ian Cheong: yes peter
[28/12/2014, 4:34:06 PM] Dina : SGG we could not figure out how to ban because the forums were broken until 2 months in
[28/12/2014, 4:34:17 PM] Peter Coffin: oh that is fucking awesome, you rule so fucking much dina
[28/12/2014, 4:34:20 PM] Dina : so I had to moderate abusers for 2 months
[28/12/2014, 4:34:24 PM] Dina : hi Peter haha
[28/12/2014, 4:34:27 PM] Sarah, Butt-er of the Butts: Sarah, Butt-er of the Butts hugs :(
[28/12/2014, 4:34:31 PM] Secret Gamer Girl: and I think the outrage wasn't so much because rule 63 but for blasphemously WESTERN looking rule-63
[28/12/2014, 4:34:33 PM] Dina : Butt hugs!! <3
[28/12/2014, 4:34:38 PM] Peter Coffin: I donated to mn9
[28/12/2014, 4:34:49 PM] Quinnae: hugs Dina
[28/12/2014, 4:34:51 PM] SF: I wonder if I should do the Based Mom thing and describe myself as an MRA but shit all over them constantly.
[28/12/2014, 4:34:53 PM] Ian Cheong: Ian Cheong has played MN9, the beta is really fun
[28/12/2014, 4:35:02 PM] Dina : SGG, the outrage was because I said when I was a backer that I'd like a playable female option Beck actually haha
[28/12/2014, 4:35:06 PM] Peter Coffin: I haven’t
[28/12/2014, 4:35:07 PM] Secret Gamer Girl: like, how dare you go all We Can Do It! poster and not all big/no-breasted vapid anime girl you inhuman monster?
[28/12/2014, 4:35:27 PM] Remy: counter-revolutionaries
[28/12/2014, 4:35:29 PM] Sarah, Butt-er of the Butts: after how dina said she was treated i wouldn't even feel right buying the game :\
[28/12/2014, 4:35:30 PM] SF: Oh so it was something different but still very much a non-issue.
[28/12/2014, 4:35:30 PM] Remy: all of them
[28/12/2014, 4:35:35 PM] SF: Thanks for sating my curiosity at any rate.
[28/12/2014, 4:35:35 PM] Dina : yeah there was def some of that too
[28/12/2014, 4:35:37 PM] Secret Gamer Girl: oh yeah, did the playable Not!Roll tier ever get hit? I can't remember
[28/12/2014, 4:35:38 PM] Charloppe: omg that will ruin game. sees shovel knight getting gender swap mode. noooooooooo
[28/12/2014, 4:35:40 PM] Peter Coffin: mn9 and hyper light drifter are the two I donated to that I want most
[28/12/2014, 4:35:52 PM] Dina : SGG yeah it did but she only gets one stage lol
[28/12/2014, 4:36:03 PM] Dina : You all have no fucking idea how sexist my employer is
[28/12/2014, 4:36:17 PM] Dina : and what I had to do to get them to 1) change no.2 into a girl
[28/12/2014, 4:36:29 PM] Secret Gamer Girl: also wait, won't feel right buying the game?
[28/12/2014, 4:36:38 PM] Ian Cheong: You got them to GASP CHANGE THEIR VISION OF A CHARACTER?
[28/12/2014, 4:36:39 PM] Dina : 2) make Beck's rival Ray into a black woman presenting androgynous
[28/12/2014, 4:36:51 PM] Peter Coffin: you had to sjw
[28/12/2014, 4:36:52 PM] Secret Gamer Girl: ah
[28/12/2014, 4:36:59 PM] Charloppe: that sounds cool
[28/12/2014, 4:37:03 PM] Peter Coffin: and sjw game is bad
[28/12/2014, 4:37:06 PM] Peter Coffin: grrrrrr
[28/12/2014, 4:37:17 PM] Secret Gamer Girl: Well, that's a sad thing to learn
[28/12/2014, 4:37:21 PM] Dina : 3) add another big character as female which I can't tell you about because they have not been revealed yet
[28/12/2014, 4:37:31 PM] Secret Gamer Girl: although good for you
[28/12/2014, 4:37:36 PM] Dina : oh MN9 still has the trademark japanese underlying sexism
[28/12/2014, 4:37:42 PM] Ian Cheong: You're enacting change from within.
[28/12/2014, 4:37:42 PM] Quinnae: Heh, nicely done, Dina. I am so very sorry about everything you had to endure though. I first heard about all this from MiB, I'm afraid I missed all of this as it was happening.
[28/12/2014, 4:37:43 PM] Secret Gamer Girl: well yeah
[28/12/2014, 4:37:45 PM] Charloppe: i appreciate you for speaking up dina
[28/12/2014, 4:38:09 PM] Peter Coffin: yeah, honestly it’s not difficult to believe coming from a company headed by the guy who made mega MAN
[28/12/2014, 4:38:09 PM] Sarah, Butt-er of the Butts: that's awesome you were able to influence things, dina. sorry things were so hard for you :(
[28/12/2014, 4:38:17 PM] Peter Coffin: but it’s so awesome you did this
[28/12/2014, 4:38:27 PM] Dina : yeah I'm not gonna tell you about my boss in particular because HOLY SHIT
[28/12/2014, 4:38:45 PM] Dina : thank you... Iwas just gonna keep my head down and not say anything SJW-ey when I first got the job
[28/12/2014, 4:38:57 PM] Dina : but after they tried to get me fired/kill myself
[28/12/2014, 4:39:02 PM] Dina : I went full feminist
[28/12/2014, 4:39:09 PM] Dina : and it kinda worked haha
[28/12/2014, 4:39:13 PM] Sarah, Butt-er of the Butts: #FullFeminist
[28/12/2014, 4:39:16 PM] SF: They really do only create what they seek to destroy.
[28/12/2014, 4:39:19 PM] Ian Cheong: #fullMcIntosh
[28/12/2014, 4:39:23 PM] Dina : but I'm definitely at the end of my rope now ^^;
[28/12/2014, 4:39:27 PM] Charloppe: #fullmole
[28/12/2014, 4:39:27 PM] Dina : lol Ian
[28/12/2014, 4:39:38 PM] Dina : #fullholes
[28/12/2014, 4:39:40 PM] Quinnae: hugs Dina
[28/12/2014, 4:39:42 PM] Dina : ...sorry
[28/12/2014, 4:39:43 PM] SF: Your boss being who I think it is I assume.
[28/12/2014, 4:39:46 PM] Peter Coffin: sorry dina
[28/12/2014, 4:39:48 PM] Dina : *hugs*
[28/12/2014, 4:39:56 PM] SF: I'm really sorry to hear all that either way, ugh.
[28/12/2014, 4:39:59 PM] Quinnae: Always, always go FullPetiteMistress.
[28/12/2014, 4:40:05 PM] Peter Coffin: agreed
[28/12/2014, 4:40:09 PM] Dina : my boss is Keiji Inafune. A nice man, but a man borne out of his own time and society at the end of the day
[28/12/2014, 4:40:24 PM] Remy: Aww I was AFK I'm so sorry to hear you have a sexist boss :(
[28/12/2014, 4:40:32 PM] Dina : (he's been really good to me personally just to be clear)
[28/12/2014, 4:40:41 PM] Dina : it's just the general ambience
[28/12/2014, 4:40:53 PM] Remy: OMG the other day my husband's boss said the most disgusting thing to another employee
[28/12/2014, 4:41:03 PM] Secret Gamer Girl: there IS a certain degree of culture clash there too, presumably
[28/12/2014, 4:41:08 PM] Charloppe: :/ im glad inafune isnt being horrible to you
[28/12/2014, 4:41:23 PM] Ian Cheong: im glad inafune isn't a bad dude.
[28/12/2014, 4:41:28 PM] Ian Cheong: even if he is a relic of the ages
[28/12/2014, 4:41:29 PM] Remy: She went up to another woman (a subordinate) and asked "Are you pregnant? Because you're getting fat"
[28/12/2014, 4:41:34 PM] Secret Gamer Girl: Japan in general is... kinda not great with respectful depictions of women in things
[28/12/2014, 4:41:36 PM] Charloppe: yeah that would hurt to hear ian
[28/12/2014, 4:41:48 PM] Ian Cheong: i grew up on Mega Man
[28/12/2014, 4:41:59 PM] Secret Gamer Girl: also gay and trans folk
[28/12/2014, 4:42:00 PM] Peter Coffin: same ian
[28/12/2014, 4:42:13 PM] Peter Coffin: japan is clueless with women
[28/12/2014, 4:42:17 PM] Dina : SGG you don't know the half of it
[28/12/2014, 4:42:25 PM] Dina : it's been hell working here
[28/12/2014, 4:42:31 PM] Dina : but a pleasure studying tbh
[28/12/2014, 4:42:34 PM] Secret Gamer Girl: ... which is why I'm still on the fence about maybe writing some rambling thing about Kamen Rider Wizard
[28/12/2014, 4:42:43 PM] Peter Coffin: I have watched a lot of anime and just from that I can tell you it’s horrifying for women in japan
[28/12/2014, 4:42:43 PM] SF: Japan kinda isn't great with real women either.
[28/12/2014, 4:42:48 PM] Remy: I wonder though
[28/12/2014, 4:43:01 PM] Dina : The type of stuff comcept makes: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5BuVfeDhQHI
[28/12/2014, 4:43:11 PM] Remy: If people start producing more women-positive media, will the women of Japan start showing that in their consumption?
[28/12/2014, 4:43:24 PM] Remy: And, more importantly, would Japanese media studios pay attention?
[28/12/2014, 4:43:36 PM] Dina : the women of Japan bless their heart should have been fighting an uphill battle and I respect them so fucking much
[28/12/2014, 4:43:55 PM] SF: I'll be surprised if we can get America to accept it.
[28/12/2014, 4:43:56 PM] Dina : the media and society in general are all about the status quo and "not making waves"
[28/12/2014, 4:44:26 PM] SF: Yeah isn't that why 2ch was invented? As an outlet without societal pressures to conform.
[28/12/2014, 4:44:36 PM] SF: (Though it went radcon much like its children)
[28/12/2014, 4:44:37 PM] Quinnae: One of my favourite books in my home library is an anthology entitled simply Japanese Women. It was a Feminist Press text from the early 1990s which, sadly, has not been updated. But it's quite a good primer on gender politics in postwar Japan.
[28/12/2014, 4:44:52 PM] Dina : <3