[21:29:48] <Andrew2448> ok
[21:29:50] <Andrew2448> so
[21:29:55] <Andrew2448> lets start from the very beginning
[21:30:06] <Andrew2448> Both sides can share their stories, and hopefully come to a satifying conclusion
[21:30:46] <IceWolf> There's some bad blood between UE and Andrew due to miscommunication that we're trying to hash out
[21:30:51] <Andrew2448> About a week or two ago, i began to learn UE mods because i had an interest in them, as well as the influence and briman
[21:30:51] <briman0094> Okay, so Andrew has been telling private things to ForgeCraft members/the general public that seem to be demeaning to us.
[21:31:08] <Andrew2448> Please, let me tell the full story before we start throwing out accusations
[21:31:15] <Mattredsox|HW> ok
[21:31:17] <briman0094> okay fine you go first.
[21:31:20] <Elusivehawk> Fair enough
[21:32:01] <Andrew2448> Now, i am also quite good friends with a few forgecrafters...i have normal access to the TS channel and i like to hang out around there with them. i have become somewhat of a ircrelay for them since most of them dont go on public irc anymore
[21:32:21] <Andrew2448> I also concern myself with things that have to do with the wellbeing of the server
[21:32:49] <Andrew2448> as for forgecraft, its purpose is the design and testing of mods to better the mods, not for "fun" playing, quite to the contrary of what you may see publically
[21:33:20] <Andrew2448> To continue, i was chatting in a PM conversation with calclavia a couple of days ago...i dont remember exactly how it started but he may have full logs
[21:33:42] <Andrew2448> We got into the topic of forgecraft and how he wanted to get UE mods on the server
[21:34:09] <Andrew2448> he told me that his "main reason was because he would like to increase the popularity of the mods" (paraphrase, again, i dont have the full logs)
[21:34:38] <Andrew2448> Now, back to forgecraft, many times before the members have gotten angry over people that want on the server just to be popular
[21:35:02] <Elusivehawk> Brb, someone tell me what andrew chats
[21:35:11] <Elusivehawk> (Beyond this point, that is)
[21:35:12] <Andrew2448> I knew that a vote regarding UE was coming up, and i felt that it was necessary to for them to know the itentions of its original creator (not the intention of all the modders note)
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[21:35:41] <Andrew2448> So i relayed cal's comments regarding his desire for popularity as the primary reason
[21:35:52] <Andrew2448> This, as expected, somewhat angered forgecraft
[21:36:17] <Mattredsox|HW> Dud you not consider how the other UE developers think about it?
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[21:36:28] <Andrew2448> Cal happened to join the TS room quietly somepoint before my posting so he saw me relaying this information to them
[21:36:46] <Andrew2448> Expectedly, he got angry at myself
[21:36:50] <Mattredsox|HW> as i know briman0094 wants to get the mods on it as well for different reasons
[21:36:51] <briman0094> you may have gotten part of that in a PM and part not...
[21:37:16] <briman0094> i never even knew there was a vote coming up. that was way further than i thought we had gotten...
[21:37:19] <Mattredsox|HW> Calclavia also told this to you with the intentions of you not sharing it with the world
[21:37:22] <Andrew2448> Then, presumably, he ran off to you guys and told you his side of the story (which we shall here in a minute)
[21:37:53] <Andrew2448> Why would he share information like that with me when he knows i have close friends on FC that DONT want that kind of person/mod on the server
[21:38:08] <Andrew2448> I am going to stick with my friends and let them know when they are about to do something against what they want
[21:38:16] <Elusivehawk> Oh, ForgeCraft, not FlowerChild
[21:38:25] <Elusivehawk> That makes much more sense.
[21:38:36] <briman0094> yes. FC == ForgeCraft unless explicitly defined otherwise
[21:38:43] <Andrew2448> So, i am infact not out to "destroy" your mods
[21:38:59] <Mattredsox|HW> But that is the thing
[21:39:05] <briman0094> Okay, I believe you. But i need to make some things clear.
[21:39:09] <Mattredsox|HW> if calclavia had the connection he would want to play on the server
[21:39:11] <Andrew2448> Also, before any of this happened, i was sharing my adventures with forgecrafters when i was learning UE and they voiced their distate of the mods
[21:39:13] <briman0094> Also, I apologize for calling you out earlier.
[21:39:25] <Mattredsox|HW> briman0094, for example has the connection and would want to play on the server to test things out
[21:39:33] <Andrew2448> i attempted to show them some upsides to the mods but they refused to budge
[21:39:40] <briman0094> can I say a couple things?
[21:39:43] <Andrew2448> I never told FC that briman wanted it for popularity
[21:39:45] <Andrew2448> yes of course
[21:40:05] <briman0094> I think the understanding of ForgeCraft is that we are all one team working tightly together to make a bundle of "modules">
[21:40:07] <briman0094> .*
[21:40:22] <Andrew2448> that is correct
[21:40:23] <briman0094> although we're all very close, which I like, the lead developers of the mods are all independent.
[21:40:25] <Andrew2448> that is what they believe
[21:40:31] <Mattredsox|HW> but by saying what Calclavia feels is different because of his location and connection
[21:40:48] <briman0094> If Calclavia wants to get himself and UE onto ForgeCraft just because of popularity, then that is, I admit, a bit silly.
[21:40:49] <briman0094> hold on matt.
[21:40:52] <Mattredsox|HW> ok
[21:41:19] <Andrew2448> agreed
[21:41:20] <briman0094> I think they should vote on each of the mods implementing the UE API individually, however, and base it on the content of *that* mod and the personality of its developer.
[21:41:41] <Andrew2448> and the unfortunately thing is, i have absolute zero voice in that vote either
[21:41:51] <Andrew2448> i have absolute zero voice at anything regarding the server
[21:41:54] <Mattredsox|HW> not entirely true
[21:41:59] <briman0094> Calclavia is going to say otherwise, and I would never want to offend him or cause him any loss in any way, but I don't want my future ruined because of him.
[21:42:03] <Mattredsox|HW> what you said to them effected the server
[21:42:09] <briman0094> I agree with matt
[21:42:24] <Andrew2448> yes it did affect the server
[21:42:28] <Mattredsox|HW> Calclavia is only saying that because of his conenction
[21:42:46] <Mattredsox|HW> he is physically limited to get on the server
[21:42:52] <briman0094> Also, I would never want to split from this UE community. I would like the ForgeCraft community to understand, however, that Calclavia does not represent all of us.
[21:43:06] <Andrew2448> i will attempt to set up a little meeting with some UE modders + forgecrafters so that we can settle as we did here (mods should be voted on individually, calclavia's comments do not speak for all of UE)
[21:43:15] <briman0094> thank you :)
[21:43:28] <Andrew2448> I just dont want to be hated on simply because my relay was taken incorrectly by both sides
[21:43:30] <briman0094> I will talk to calclavia and fill him in when he gets back.
[21:43:33] <Andrew2448> i like you mods, even if you think otherwise
[21:43:42] <briman0094> I have a log of all my channels, so I can give him this conversation.
[21:43:50] <Mattredsox|HW> ditto
[21:43:52] <Andrew2448> yes that would be a good idea
[21:43:56] <Mattredsox|HW> i keep txt files of logs
[21:43:59] <Mattredsox|HW> of everything
[21:44:07] <briman0094> For the record: I still enjoy working with Calclavia and I enjoy his personality.
[21:44:08] <Mattredsox|HW> i have like a gig of files atm
[21:44:20] <briman0094> But I think that his opinions should not speak for all of us.
[21:44:26] <Andrew2448> as i have said, i cant expect much for forgecraft to listen to me, but i will do what i can
[21:44:38] <briman0094> I appreciate that