Traditionalism is not Conservativism (plus draft)

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American conservative: kick the kid out of the house. An empty nest is a good nest.
American traditional: build the house for 4 generations, so it becomes both a nursing home and a preschool]

I agree with this actually. "Conservative" is such a co-opted newspeak shill word anyway. What "conservatives" conserve is not tradition, but rather yesterday's liberalism. Which of course, to liberals of tomorrow, will never be liberal enough.

It used to be that a single family could seed for an entire village, eventually becoming a city and state. Wives are obviously from other families, I'm not talking about incest lol.

This creates strong social cohesion, as opposed to now where nobody talks to or really even likes their neighbors.

You wouldn't NEED state welfare if your safety net was a large extended family and strong community with consistent values. This doesn't imply we would all have to somehow become Amish, lol. Your community would reflect your values... In my hypothetical community, we would smoke herb to unwind instead of drinking alcohol, for example.

By mixing together a bunch of incompatible culures and families, we have created an environment of alienation for everyone.

Mixing cultures only works when they are spaced out in proportion to how similar/different they are. This is what creates nations and group identities.

I don't know about you, but to me Dublin went from being a functional example of multiculturalism (middle class of whites, asians, and indians together seems to work) to a decaying impoverished hellhole in the span of 20 years, thanks to being forced to let anyone and everyone in.

A lot of it has to do with drugs, which have decayed everything for everyone everywhere, but it also has to do with being forbidden from having any standards or boundaries, lest they be construed as prejudice and ignorance.

The internet has made society post-isolationist anyway, so why force us all within close proximity of eachother? I say "force" loosely mind you; we're conditioned to ask for these things before we truly understand their consequences.

I've got much more to say but I'll leave it at that.


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I agree with this actually. "Conservative" is such a co-opted newspeak shill word anyway. What "conservatives" conserve is not tradition, but rather yesterday's liberalism. Which of course, to liberals of tomorrow, will never be liberal enough.

It used to be that a single family could seed for an entire village, eventually becoming a city and state. Wives are obviously from other families, I'm not talking about incest lol.

This creates strong social cohesion, as opposed to now where nobody talks to or really even likes their neighbors.

You wouldn't NEED state welfare if your safety net was a large extended family and strong community with consistent values. This doesn't imply we would all have to somehow become Amish, lol. Your community would reflect your values... In my hypothetical community, we would smoke herb instead of drinking alcohol, for example.

By mixing together a bunch of incompatible culures and families, we have created an environment of alienation for everyone.

Mixing cultures only works when they are spaced out in proportion to how similar/different they are. This is what creates nations.

In a large related community, people would be pre-vetted by virtue of being part of your trusted community to begin with; you trust them by the transitive property of trusting the people you know, who know them.

We live in a culture where the exception has become the rule, rather than the exception being the, well, exception.

And since we have the internet now, we are inherently multicultural anyway. We don't need to import foreign cultures to get to know them.

We can now screen other cultures/peoples before taking the gamble of inviting or visiting them. Hypothetically at least, no such filter exists in practice. Being selective and having standards is discrimination and ignorance.

Idk about you but nobody is going to sell me some idealistic blind trust in total strangers who I have nothing in common with. Such a thing could only "work itself out" the same way Darwinism "works itself out".

I've seen too much shit anyway. Done scared me straight, son.

Imagine living in a community where you didn't have to know someone personally, to be able to relate to them or ask for help or strike up a conversation, or trust that they won't groom or abduct your children or rob your house or attract drugs and dealers.

Meanwhile, even in my $1,200/mo rent neighborhood (trust me, that's steep. It hurts), we have drug busts and police kicking down doors on a bi-monthly basis. The nearby cheaper alternatives have degraded to straight ghettos, whereas 20 years ago they were made of polite/reserved asian foreigners and whites. We got along because our values are very similar. Now that EVERYONE can come, we have crime and decay, and the neighborhood association acts like total nazis to compensate and protect their plummeting property values. I hate them but I understand their pain; they're effectively being robbed by something out of their hands.

And no I am not saying the mild crime in my neighborhood is the "bad shit I've seen that set me straight."

I'm not going to talk about the real bad shit.