<Plailect> gonna post something here before it goes public
<Plailect> https://gist.github.com/Plailect/3cac8fe39bcae46ab0a44a265047a4dd
<s_99> As long as you don't inted to post that on the sub.
<s_99> *intend
<Plailect> why not?
<Plailect> it's pretty important...
<Plailect> the cruel thing was w/e since he already got his due
<s_99> See:
<Plailect> but this guy cannot be allowed in any part of the community
<s_99> This is a hacking scene
<s_99> Not a police station
<Plailect> uh
<Plailect> what
<Plailect> if people should avoid other members of the scene, it's related
<s_99> What I'm saying is: Report him to the authorities
<Plailect> did you read it?
<Plailect> "He has since been banned from the place where this situation occurred, and all information has been turned over to the relevant authorities."
<s_99> Yeah.
<s_99> So.
<s_99> What is posting this gonna help?
<Plailect> people will stop working with him
<Plailect> he will be outcast from the community (which is full of minors)
<Plailect> this does not get swept under the rug
* s_99 sighs
<s_99> This is the job of the justice system.
<s_99> Not mine, not yours.
<Plailect> what are you talking about
<Plailect> are we to just let him run around in a community *full of minors* and *hope* the police do something based on nothing more than an online handle?
<Plailect> this has the personal support of #Cakey and ReSwitched staff
<Plailect> AuroraWright, TuxSH, SciresM, stuckpixel (dark-samus), d0k3, Daeken, Normmatt, etc etc
<LOCAP> Posting this can have negative impact, but I see why you want to do it.
<Plailect> on who? how?
<LOCAP> If this were to be publicized, it could put a bad light on the community as a whole, and it could be seen as witch hunting without evidence. That evidence shouldn't be posted publicly unless relevant authorities give it the "OK," as it could affect an investigation.
<Plailect> this is not a witch hunt
<LOCAP> Not saying it is, but it could be perceived as one.
<Plailect> the investigation is not of note
<Plailect> the only protection I am interested in is that of the minor involved
<s_99> the investigation is literally the only thing that matters.
<Plailect> I mean it does not affect posting this
<Plailect> this is separate
<s_99> ><Plailect> the only protection I am interested in is that of the minor involved
<LOCAP> This isn't the type of thing any law enforcement agency messes around with. There will absolutely be an investigation and the minor is immediately going to be protected. I'm not worried about the minor, as you've already done what needed to be done in order to protect them.
<s_99> I'm not sure what good the post would do to help that single person , either.
<LOCAP> If you post this, the likelihood of false evidence/testimonies coming forward from salty trolls is pretty big, and it would impede an investigation and a verdict.
<Plailect> "the only protection I am interested in is that of [the personal information of] the minor involved
<Plailect> "
<Plailect> the post is for the community
<Plailect> there are tens of thousands of minors in this community, and he is in a position of authority
<Plailect> understand?
<LOCAP> Yes, but by posting this, you're making a situation public. If this goes public, he could easily retaliate by posting that personal information online.
<Plailect> what personal information are you talking about?
<Plailect> the person he's in a relationship with? wtf would that do?
<LOCAP> "the only protection I am interested in is that of [the personal information of] the minor involved"
<Plailect> ammend the statement to include the thousands of other minors that look up to him
<LOCAP> Again, this isn't something that law enforcement will just brush aside. His actions online will be monitored
<Plailect> by not making this public, you enable him to use his position to manipulate others
<Plailect> your reasoning that "law enforcement will monitor him" is of little concern to me if that doesn't *prevent* him from taking advantage of kids
<Plailect> this is the single most inane argument I've ever had
<LOCAP> Let me put it this way
<Plailect> you cannot sit idly by while a child molester uses his position to take advantage of children
<LOCAP> I know someone who actually was involved in something EXACTLY like this
<Plailect> under the pretense that "someone else will handle it"
<LOCAP> The second he went to meet with the child, he was arrested
<LOCAP> Never even made contact
<LOCAP> Again, I am *not worried*
<LOCAP> This isn't under the pretense that "someone else will handle it"
<LOCAP> It's under the knowledge that someone else is already handling it.
<Plailect> you do not know that
<LOCAP> I know you're worried about this, but you've done your part already. Let the police do theirs, please.
<Plailect> No.
<Plailect> I don't care if you don't want to be involved. You took up a position of authority in this community. You are now involved. Protect the damn community.
<Plailect> "the police might arrest him if he goes in person" doesn't matter if he gets kids to send him pictures by abusing his authority
<Plailect> all because you let it stay secret
<LOCAP> Let me think this over. I do see both sides, but this could do more harm than good. Right now, I'm saying no, but I want Clozure and s_99 to make the final decision on this. They're in charge here, not me.
<Plailect> this is being done today
<Plailect> because we have waited long enough
<Plailect> I can delay a short time
<Plailect> but it'll go everywhere soon
<Plailect> TuxSH will give his input on this in a sec
<Plailect> AW is afk
<NerdsMcGee> How long ago was all of this discovered?
<Plailect> 3 weeks
<Plailect> We waited two weeks since our last request for more information from the authorities and decided it was time to go public
<NerdsMcGee> I understand LOCAP not wanting to start a witch hunt, but I've also been blindsided by something in the same vein.
<Plailect> could you please invite AuroraWright and TuxSH to this channel for this discussion?
<NerdsMcGee> http://www.thestar.co.uk/whats-on/out-and-about/paedophile-sexually-assaulted-boy-at-swimming-baths-1-253334 <- That was someone I was working around during the days of OSBetaArchive / WinBeta and I had NO idea.
<NerdsMcGee> Yeah, hang on.
<NerdsMcGee> Plailect: TuxSH is here. lol
<AuroraWright> hi
<TuxSH> hi
<Plailect> okay
<Plailect> this is the most responsible way this situation can be handled
<Plailect> we cannot wait around for a *possible* police response
<AuroraWright> well we should take into account that Daz showed no sign of remorse at all
<AuroraWright> he just went salty
<AuroraWright> blocked me, is playing detective to find anyone involved
<TuxSH> didn't block me on Skype
<NerdsMcGee> My personal feelings is making a statement without getting into specifics, such as name.
<TuxSH> is connected and idle during the usual hours
<AuroraWright> the point is protecting people from him
<TuxSH> <NerdsMcGee> My personal feelings is making a statement without getting into specifics, such as name. >> it's a nickname, not a real name
<AuroraWright> so hisn ame needs to be out
<AuroraWright> *nickname
<AuroraWright> TuxSH, he probably doesn't suspect you yet
<NerdsMcGee> I'm all for protecting those that aren't able to protect themselves, but I'm sure the subreddit will become obliterated once something that inflammatory is posted.
<NerdsMcGee> Not an excuse by far, just something to be prepared for
<Plailect> everyone here signed up for that responsibility
<TuxSH> AuroraWright: really? That'd be surprsing that for him not to do AW knows <=> TuxSH knows
<NerdsMcGee> Plailect: I'm on your side here. Just breathe. I know it's unsettling.
<AuroraWright> well idk
<NerdsMcGee> Anyone else care to chime in? Clozure dubyadud f916253 Gelex Miah_Molkot s_99
<s_99> I for my part am still fully against posting it on the sub.
<Miah_Molkot> We have a duty to protect minors in this community.  keep in mind I'm just an IRC halfop tho not a mod
<NerdsMcGee> I'm assuming it's going on GBATemp and whatnot regardless?
<f916253> Hold on lemme read and catch up
<s_99> It can be on Gbatemp for all I care
<TuxSH> don't expect anything from GBATemp
<Plailect> s_99: your reasoning for this so far seems unsound
<AuroraWright> gbatemp might just delete it like they did with Cruel
<Plailect> even if the police do "monitor" him in the future, he is still a danger to members of *your* community
<s_99> Then talk to them?
<AuroraWright> why are you opposed to it though?
<AuroraWright> I don't think flame would last long, a few days at worst
<NerdsMcGee> Plailect: You could throw something on the guide as a middle ground?
<s_99> But there would be. And I don't want the sub to be any further involved in any flamewars than must be.
<Plailect> that is not a middle ground
<Plailect> that is a contingency
<Plailect> s_99: this is not some inane drama
<AuroraWright> would you able to have it on your conscience if something happened because of your decision?
<TuxSH> there's no middle ground in this issue
<TuxSH> as opposed to the dev-related drama
<s_99> AuroraWright: Would I be making that decision if I wasn't?  Don't get me wrong, I'm fully for him being investigated by the Police. But this is not the right procedure.
<Plailect> What the fuck?
<Plailect> Of course this is the correct procedure.
<Plailect> He is a known pedophile. He did not deny allegations against him. This community is full of minors.
<Plailect> there is absolutely no sane way to justify not making this known to said minors
<s_99> Then let me get some things straight here.
<s_99> 1.) Is there even any known sexual contact between him and any other than the minor he is in a relationship with?
<AuroraWright> he had been flirting with a 15 year old on skype
<AuroraWright> no sexual contact that I know of though
<Plailect> it does not matter that he has or has not
<TuxSH> no public*
<Plailect> you don't say "Yeah but has this pedophile molested anyone else?" before taking action
<Plailect> this is a one strike and you're out situation
<TuxSH> their discussions in #CTRDev have clearly been of sexual nature
<TuxSH> explicitly
<TuxSH> there's no denying that
<AuroraWright> yeah
<Plailect> You're actively saying that you do not want the community to know
<s_99> Let me get something straight here:
<Plailect> You're putting the community at risk just to avoid the fallout of dealing with it
<s_99> That minor you speak of is 15? Yeah?
<AuroraWright> was 14
<AuroraWright> when they had those conversations
<Plailect> This is in the post. 14 when it started.
<AuroraWright> and when it started
<TuxSH> which was illegal in France when it started, and still very illegal in the UK
<s_99> Not illegal here in Germany, mind you.
<NerdsMcGee> Wait, really?
<s_99> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ages_of_consent_in_Europe#Germany
<NerdsMcGee> Wow. I didn't know that.
<Plailect> This is irrelevant
<Plailect> neither party lives in Germany
<s_99> Also: You throw the word of "Pedophilia" around a lot.
<Plailect> the relationship has clear markers of sexual grooming and predatory influences
<TuxSH> it's minor abuse, if you prefer
<Plailect> I am not about to debate the morality of this with you
<f916253> Additionally, the services used for communication are hosted in the US and any content going through those platforms is therefore scrutinized under US laws
<AuroraWright> he isolated from his friends since it started
<AuroraWright> he had a personality change
<Plailect> this conversation is off topic
<Plailect> we are not about to justify the reporting of a predator
<Plailect> this does not have to be done
<s_99> No, the reporting is fine.
<s_99> All good there. Would be glad if he got put into jail too,
<Plailect> if you agree with that, then how can you sit here and defend the legality of it?
<Plailect> it is ridiculous that you would go on this side tangent
<s_99> I wanted to get a better view of the situation?
<Plailect> this situation is one between a person clearly in a position of authority exploiting a younger person
<Plailect> read your own cited article
<Plailect> " it is illegal to engage in sexual activity with a person under 18 "by taking advantage of an exploitative situation""
<s_99> Yep yep
<Plailect> so what is your objection?
<s_99> I do not feel it belongs on the subreddit. Never has, never will.
<Plailect> Which rule does this break?
<s_99> Primarily I do not believe it qualifies as actually being related content. A case could be made for the reddiquette but eh.
<Plailect> There is no case for reddiquette
<Plailect> it is certainly related
<Plailect> the guy is a *major* 3DS developer
<TuxSH> there is no personal info that isn't public either
<TuxSH> *already
<s_99> Well, wait on Clozure to say yes then-
<Plailect> okay
<s_99> I just do not see myself agreeing to it. Especially while keeping in mind that, as LOCAP pointed out, it could actually impede Police investigations.
<s_99> However, should there in the future be any way that we can help out with the investigation, I will gladly do so.
<Plailect> Exposing a threat to the minors in the community is the way you can help.
<s_99> I don't think so, sorry.
<Plailect> If you force me to post this elsewhere, I will be forced to include a reason it was not posted to a more appropriate avenue such as /r/3dshacks
* s_99 sighs
<NerdsMcGee> Obviously this is a highly charged and polarizing situation. I ask this, Plailect: Why do you feel the subreddit is the most appropriate avenue?
<Plailect> It is a general outlet for community related information read by many of these minors.
<NerdsMcGee> Where else are you planning on putting that?
<Plailect> depends on you
<NerdsMcGee> From what you were saying, it wouldn't have only been one place?
<Plailect> reddit and temp are intended
<TuxSH> temps is, well... temp
<Plailect> I'd prefer not to resort to putting it on the guide.
<Plailect> it would not be the appropriate location
<Plailect> the reddit is general, the guide has one specific purpose
<s_99> My only suggestion: We do a general info post. I see literally no need for the first two paragraphs to be posted.
<TuxSH> incomplete information is worth nothing
<s_99> ?
<Plailect> the second paragraph contains *all* the information about what happened
<Plailect> aka the entire purpose of the post
<TuxSH> it's all or nothing s_99
<s_99> Yeah, none of what happened is relevant.
<s_99> You wanna protect minors: Do that
<Plailect> what/
<Plailect> ?
<f916253> saying something like "daz is bad stay away" without any additional information isn't going to do any good
<Plailect> are you trying to prevent a witch hunt or cause one?
<TuxSH> s_99, are you sure of yourself?
<Plailect> because saying something vauge like that with no details will just cause one
<TuxSH> that'd hurt the subreddit reputation and yours quite a lot, you know
<TuxSH> I have good faith that you don't want this to happen
<LOCAP> If we do a post, I recommend a few things.
<LOCAP> 1. Either disable comments entirely or scrutinize every single one
<LOCAP> 2. Disallow any discussion of the topic outside of the dedicated thread. Create automod filters to enforce that. We don't need drama sparking up randomly.
<LOCAP> 3. Post with as much information as possible to make it clear this isn't a witch hunt, and simply a warning.
<LOCAP> 4. Don't sticky the post. Let the warning go out, then minimize fallout.
<LOCAP> I also suggest removing the part about Cruel. It's irrelevant, he's already been dealt with.
<NerdsMcGee> ^ I agree
<s_99> TuxSH: I have not a single drop of reputation left to lose, and you should know that.
<s_99> What LOCAP said, though
<Plailect> disabling comments stifles discussion
<TuxSH> s_99: the subreddit does, though
<Plailect> the cruel part shows that this is an ongoing issue
<s_99> Is there any need for discussion on this matter?
<TuxSH> scrutinize every comment then: let people ask legitimate question but not shitpost
<LOCAP> ^
<Plailect> ^
<f916253> yeah
<LOCAP> I want to avoid turning this into a massive shitshow of drama and memes. I feel that there are valid questions that could be asked. This is simply going to require a lot of attention.
<Plailect> so
<Plailect> 1. Scrutinize comments
<Plailect> 2. Disallow any discussion of the topic outside of the dedicated thread
<Plailect> 3.  Sticky is not necessary
<Plailect> are we in agreement?
<f916253> Sounds fine to me
<LOCAP> Ideally we can have automod filter comments on just this post, trying to look into doing that
<TuxSH> automod is meh
<s_99> Automod won't work in that case.
<TuxSH> a Dazzozo filter would lead to too many false positives
<s_99> There's no "all" filter for a single thread either. One of you needs to watch this thread 24/7.
<TuxSH> you could just prevent dupe threads to be created
<s_99> Oh, that much is easily done.
<s_99> Speaking of comments though
<TuxSH> and prevent too lengthy discussions about the drama to happen / stop them and redirect it to the controlled topic
<s_99> There is no reason for them to pop up anywhere besides in the intended thread.
<s_99> And new threads don't just happen as each one needs to be manually mod approved.
<TuxSH> the only reason I can think of: someone mentionning the work of Daz and one who replies by referring about the drama
<Plailect> SALT is not discussed too often
<Plailect> probably won't be an issue
<LOCAP> Already did it on a test sub, all I need is the post title s_99
<s_99> neato
<s_99> Now. We all clear?
<Plailect> I'll post when you're ready
<NerdsMcGee> I'll keep an eye out today, since I'm at work
<s_99> AuroraWright, TuxSH: You can probably leave now.
<AuroraWright> ok
<TuxSH> fine
<s_99> Plailect, the post title please so LOCAP can handle it
<Plailect> "[PSA] Recent Community Events"
<LOCAP> Plailect: remove the brackets around PSA, automod doesn't like them
<LOCAP> Other than that, post it exactly as is and it's ready
<Plailect> so
<Plailect> PSA: Recent Community Events
<LOCAP> No colon either
<Plailect> that's going to look weird
<Plailect> a dash?
<Plailect> something?
<LOCAP> Do PSA - Recent Community Events
<Plailect> k
<f916253> One of us should probably make a comment statement on it that it has been approved and thus should not be reported, (That the "personal information" clauses of reddiquette don't apply to public figures etc)
<Plailect> yeah
<s_99> I just told LOCAP to go ahead and do it but whatever you feel like
<f916253> locap can do it
<LOCAP> Working on it now
<s_99> https://i.imgur.com/gMJnBVL.png
<s_99> fun times
<s_99> There will probably be like 20 people on the sub even knowing who dazzozo is
<LOCAP> Please note: Due to the sensitivity of this topic, all comments on this thread will be filtered by moderators. This needs to be taken seriously and handled properly. We are also disallowing any and all discussion of this topic outside of this thread.
<LOCAP> That being said, we will allow constructive discussion here. Do keep in mind proper reddiquette as well as the aforementioned rules.
<LOCAP> How's that
<s_99> Go ahead
<LOCAP> https://puu.sh/vtVfA/6d52e5c43f.png
<LOCAP> Not sure if we want to allow this one or not, it's not terrible, but not contributing
<s_99> Do not want
<s_99> Plailect: Any takers? https://www.reddit.com/r/3dshacks/comments/674ik7/psa_recent_community_events/dgnm95o/
<Plailect> I got it
<Plailect> https://www.reddit.com/r/3dshacks/comments/674ik7/psa_recent_community_events/dgnn3ul/
<Plailect> delete.
<Plailect> LOCAP: f916253
<NerdsMcGee> Done
<Plailect> thanks
<LOCAP> Yeah we don't want to expose the victim's name
<Plailect> https://www.reddit.com/r/3dshacks/comments/674ik7/psa_recent_community_events/dgnln43/
<Plailect> this entire chain can probably be removed
<Plailect> it's pretty hostile for no reason
<Plailect> actually everything with this guy
<Plailect> https://www.reddit.com/r/3dshacks/comments/674ik7/psa_recent_community_events/dgnnfjx/
<Plailect> this shit too
<NerdsMcGee> If that's how you feel, I can pull that thread?
<Plailect> that first comment thread and the guys reply to pbandj
<Plailect> whole chain can be gone I mean
<Plailect> my replies, his, etc
<Plailect> NerdsMcGee: you didn't nuke the whole thread
<NerdsMcGee> Sorry, actual work happened.
<Plailect> https://www.reddit.com/r/3dshacks/comments/674ik7/psa_recent_community_events/dgnooee/ too
<NerdsMcGee> done
<s_99> 1: Not 3DS hacking
<s_99> You tell me users, you tell me
<s_99> https://www.reddit.com/r/3dshacks/comments/674ik7/psa_recent_community_events/dgnpkd2/
<Plailect> holy shit wtf
<s_99> That was totally gonna happen so.
<Plailect> he's been completely off the grid for weeks
<Plailect> pretty unexpected
<s_99> Totally expected, I'd say.
<NerdsMcGee> Welp
<Plailect> tbh
<Plailect> that should probably be removed
<Plailect> he's the victim even if he doesn't think so
<s_99> That will not be removed.
<s_99> f916253: You hear me?
<Plailect> okay'
<Plailect> https://www.reddit.com/r/3dshacks/comments/674ik7/psa_recent_community_events/dgnqpnd/
<Plailect> he's claiming exageration
<Plailect> but this is just damage control
<Plailect> everything stated is factual
<Plailect> in my post
<f916253> s_99: alright; I think it would be better off to prevent their involvement, though
<Clozure> >300 lines here in few hours
<Clozure> s_99: what's up. i was afk
<f916253> https://www.reddit.com/r/3dshacks/comments/674ik7/psa_recent_community_events/
<f916253> this
<Clozure> thanks
<LOCAP> Keep an eye on modqueue, any comment made in that post is filtered out for approval
<Plailect> https://www.reddit.com/r/3dshacks/comments/674ik7/psa_recent_community_events/dgnpkd2/
<Plailect> He undermines the intent to protect the community by lying and saying everything is fine and that it wasn't a sexual relationship (it was)
<f916253> he's speaking as a victim would
<f916253> not surprising
<Plailect> that should be removed
<Plailect> s_99: keeping that only hurts him.
<s_99> Know what also hurts him? The entire post.
<Plailect> how?
<Plailect> the post did not mention him.
<s_99> Do you not see how he is feeling about that though? You are not doing him any good. You know, there's normally fucking professionals who take care of this shit.
<s_99> Not my problem, though.
<s_99> Either way, if your post stays up. His does too.
<Plailect> I am trying to protect a victim of sexual abuse
<Plailect> nothing I did ever exposed him
<Plailect> what he is doing right now does though
<Plailect> your argument that both stay up is ridiculous
<Plailect> Even if he takes offense to his "partner" being targeted, the community still has to be protected
<s_99> So. Let him take offense?
<s_99> As long as he doesn't want to be protected I see no reason to handle this different from normal scene drama? Once again, neither you nor me are the police.
<Plailect> So just let the victim fuck themselves over because they don't know better?
<Plailect> what a great way to protect the community
<Plailect> half of them are idiot kids, but that doesn't mean we should allow them to expose themselves publicly to sexual abuse because they "don't want to be protected"
<s_99> Thats not my job.
<s_99> Literally.
<s_99> There's a great deal of institiutions whose job this is but you wanted to not let them do their job but do your own instead.
<s_99> So maybe you should have sorted things with the victim before making a public post, just maybe.
<Plailect> if you see someone doing something unethical and illegal you have an obligation to report it
<Plailect> *especially* since you are entrusted to moderate the community
<LOCAP> Anyway, if we remove that comment, we'd be deleting a confession from the victim. What a way to help the investigation.
<Plailect> mmmmm
<s_99> <Plailect> if you see someone doing something unethical and illegal you have an obligation to report it
<s_99> TO THE FUCKING AUTHORITIES
<s_99> NOT TO ME
<NerdsMcGee> Enough. Both of you.
<NerdsMcGee> Getting hostile at each other doesn't help anyone.
<LOCAP> ^
<Plailect> I'm not shouting
<Plailect> let's quote sciresm here
<Plailect> 6:28 PM <SciresM> Yes, and step 1 after "report the incident" is "prevent the incident from happening again"
<s_99> Anyways, what LOCAP said.
<LOCAP> The post was made on the condition that we're filtering out memes, shitposts, and anything not constructive. That comment doesn't qualify as any of the above, so it stays. At this point, Plailect, you've made your post. We're handling the comments. If you don't like it, you can delete your post. Other than that, I ask that you let us do our job of containing
<LOCAP> the drama since you insisted that we play police.
<Plailect> Okay.
<Plailect> could we remove https://www.reddit.com/r/3dshacks/comments/674ik7/psa_recent_community_events/dgntp02/
<Plailect> obvious troll
<s_99> sure
<LOCAP> yeah my bad, misclicked
<LOCAP> Locking the post. Number 5 on /r/subredditdrama, not interested in a brigade.
<dubyadud> Jess christ what the fuck is going on
<LOCAP> Have fun reading the novel that is IRC :^0
<f916253> lol
<dubyadud> http://i.imgur.com/DR01w1C.png
<dubyadud> https://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/image/upload/t_original/nrvz8jaorpkpzaawvuyi.jpg
<Clozure>     user reports:
<Clozure>     2: Personal and confidential information
<Clozure>     1: Reveals personal information
<Clozure>     1: Has nothing to do with 3ds hacks.
<Clozure>     1: Nice witch hunt, ban the parties involved and move along. Don't incite a mob.
<Clozure>     1: has absolutely nothing to do with 3ds hacking
<Clozure>     1: Threatening, harassing, or inciting violence
<Clozure>     1: Spam
<Clozure>     1: Insites witch hunt, the minor was of age in his country. Should not be here anyway.
<Clozure>     1: wtf are you faggots posting. what does this have to do with 3dshacks you retards
<Clozure>     1: PLEASE keep this trash off the subreddit. I come here for 3DS hacking stuff, not relationship drama.
<Clozure>     1: Witch hunting, really?
<Clozure>     1: Not 3DS hacking
<Clozure>     1: Threatens, harrasses, or bullies
<Clozure>     1: Irrelevant
<Clozure>     1: <no reason>
<Clozure> Plailect: sorry, but i just can't not lol at this, http://i.imgur.com/ODtxY4n.png
<Plailect> heh
<Clozure> Plailect: a report: 1: too much to say, refer to https://pastebin.com/sc3xMVS0. Delete,attacks individual,
<Plailect> that's a stupid argument to make
<Plailect> I didn't decide alone to post it
<f916253> yerp
<dubyadud> Plailect: shoulda made a throwaway account
<Plailect> why?
<s_99> Plailect: http://i.imgur.com/HDBiwxW.png
<Plailect> the thread seems good as is tbh
<Plailect> the shitposting and low quality posts were removed
<Plailect> the "witch hunt" is done with
<Plailect> besides
<Plailect> the original post has been there for a day and it's too late to alter it
<Plailect> since many have seen it
<f916253> yeah its fine as is
<Clozure> uhhhhhhhhhhhh https://www.reddit.com/r/3dshacks/comments/67bofh/recent_community_opinions_thread/
<Plailect> IDK what "community opinion means" to him
<Plailect> the score of 415 would indicate to me that the community is on my side
<Plailect> wtf?
<Plailect> post is gone?
<f916253> I thought the intention was to leave it be and let it "fade out"
<Plailect> ...
<Plailect> someone?
<s_99> https://www.reddit.com/r/3dshacks/comments/67bzcg/in_light_of_recent_events_a_message_from_the/
<Plailect> that is complete horse shit
<LOCAP> So was the way this was handled
<Plailect> oh really? not covering up the abuse of a minor is handling it poorly?
<LOCAP> Still not covering up. It's something that happened, I said that in the post, and I issued a warning for  everyone to be careful online. That's all that should've been done in the first place, no more, no less.
<Plailect> IDGAF about the privacy of a community member when they commit crimes
<LOCAP> Simply put, your post was an attack, not a warning. I know there were good intentions behind it, but it went too far.
<Plailect> they deserve to be exposed
<LOCAP> So let the police arrest them, try them, find them guilty, and then the media will do the rest
<Plailect> https://www.reddit.com/r/3dshacks/comments/674ik7/psa_recent_community_events/dgnpkd2/
<Plailect> this is still up
<Plailect> 7:01 PM <s_99> Either way, if your post stays up. His does too.
<s_99> It's gone.
<Clozure> not like it's not cached in archives but whatever
<LOCAP> I'm nuking the entire thread now actually
<Plailect> 415 points
<Plailect> 80% upvotes
<Plailect> and you nuke it?
<LOCAP> 1:55 PM <Plailect> the original post has been there for a day and it's too late to alter it
<LOCAP> 1:55 PM <Plailect> since many have seen it
<LOCAP> Yeah, I nuked it, and many have already seen it
<LOCAP> I don't see your point here
<LOCAP> The way this was handled was inappropriate. End of story.
<Plailect> You gain nothing and only assist a predator by making it so less people see what he did
<f916253> I don't want to get in the middle of this but I don't really agree with the removal of the thread either
<s_99> Thats fine. It's done though.
<LOCAP> I agree that a warning should have gone out, but I disagree with how it was handled, and I'm putting my foot down on this.
<Plailect> You censor community supported exposure of a predator for vague reasons
<Plailect> I told you I would go over your head if you made me, and this is too far
<LOCAP> Your post needed to cover two things
<LOCAP> 1. An inappropriate relationship occurred between a developer and a minor
<LOCAP> 2. A warning to all other minors that this type of behavior is not healthy, acceptable, and illegal.
<Plailect> It did both.
<LOCAP> Yet you went beyond this, discussing things beyond your authority to do so.
<Plailect> I only did so when the involved party showed up. Your reasoning is flimsy at best.
<LOCAP> Humor me, though. How do you expect to go above my head?
<LOCAP> Feel free to go to the reddit admins over this, they'll just direct you to law enforcement.
<Plailect> Reddit admins?
<Plailect> I don't need reddit admins.
<Plailect> which of you support this exactly?
<Miah_Molkot> I'm not a mod, but I just wanna be explicitly clear that I'm on Plai's side and that Dazzozo needs to be called out and ostracised.  Doing otherwise sends the message that pedophiles are allowed in a community full of minors which revolves around a system marketed towards minors.
<dubyadud> I dont think we need to address the community and point fingers, LOCAP's solution is good.  They just gave you 450 upvoted Plailect because you wrote the guide
<dubyadud> And he isnt even here
<LOCAP> He got banned
<dubyadud> From here?
<LOCAP> Check #3dshacks
<dubyadud> What a fag
<Miah_Molkot> wow.
<dubyadud> Whats up with his recent powertrip
<f916253> ...have you not been paying attention to this situation?
<LOCAP> https://3ds.guide/
<LOCAP> Woo hoo