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  1. Embrace v. Fj
  2. ***
  3. Embrace - R1
  4.  
  5. * Predator has gear, will release hounds early on
  6. * Masque can copy person and their voice via hardlight shenanigans. Provides feats for scaling
  7. * Hounds can't tell Predator from her, lets her sneak attack
  8. * Provides evidence of similar tactics
  9. * Dump of physicals with some random anti-feats
  10. * Counters Predator's various senses and speed arguments
  11. * IC/aiming argument
  12. * Bongo Bongo Trash
  13.  
  14. FJ - R1
  15.  
  16. * Predator can go invis, but see far/well, so he can track down his foe, but not vice versa
  17. * Predator has ranged options that one shot
  18. * Good accuracy, w/ feats
  19. * Beats up Masque in melee either via punching or grapple
  20.  
  21. Embrace - R2
  22.  
  23. * Argues that many of FJs feats aren't canon/applicable
  24. * Reiterates a lot of the same surprise/copying argument
  25. * Counters FJ's initiative argument
  26. * Masque has a ton of weapons
  27. * Masque accurate/fast, Predator not
  28. * Addresses FJ's "ranged weapon" argument
  29. * Scales to IM, discusses super inertia
  30.  
  31. FJ - R2
  32.  
  33. * Invis seeing feat doesn't apply as its after when Masque is stipped
  34. * Masque can't pretend to be dogs, because HUD
  35. * Reiterates ranged argument from R1
  36. * Predator tanks Masque's attacks
  37. * Hounds are strong/durable
  38. * Predator has many options to stop Masque from escaping
  39. * Tony scaling doesn't work, as he was holding back
  40. * Predator's weapons scale above
  41.  
  42. ***
  43. OOT - Between FJ's downplaying of Predator and bringing up Terminator feats I was convinced Predator is in tier
  44. ***
  45. Judgement
  46.  
  47. Embrace Wins. Despite her using super inertia wrong (super inertia is exclusively when things land/fall harder than they should), she made a convincing argument that Masque would be able to circumvent Predator's senses, and surprise him with weapons capable of hurting him. FJ did make some good points with how iffy some of her scaling is/the fact that some of her feats occurred after the version of Masque she is using, but Embrace responding in kind with pointing out that many of Predator's key feats are non canon also made it equally as iffy.
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