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[13:06] <rily> hi chobo
[13:06] <Sasha> hi folks
[13:06] <rily> hi sasha
[13:06] <ch0b0> hey
[13:07] <Sasha> pumped ur for fighting?
[13:07] <rily> im learning someone
[13:07] <rily> soon
[13:07] <ch0b0> yes
[13:08] <rily> happy days are soon arriving
[13:09] <Sasha> <rily> im learning someone
[13:09] <Sasha> ??
[13:09] <Eddy> ??
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[13:10] <Eddy> I think Rily should grab land
[13:10] <Eddy> While there's still land
[13:10] <ch0b0> ??
[13:10] <Eddy> You can always learn later
[13:10] <ch0b0> can't you read orders?
[13:10] <Sasha> Indeed
[13:10] <Eddy> .orders
[13:10] <Sasha> this pisses me off
[13:11] <ch0b0> In game orders
[13:11] <Eddy> ??
[13:11] <ch0b0> he's fat. <150nwa he doesnt need land he cant defend
[13:11] <Sasha> Jan 24- I will post a target for the KINGDOM to feed on as a group
[13:11] <Sasha> like everyones troops home prior at or within 3 hours OF that time.
[13:11] <Grigorian> wow we still gettin hit alot
[13:12] <zol> dude, you want people to keep on coming back to our kd for acres?
[13:12] <zol> think that's good for kd morale?
[13:12] <Eddy> Retal needs to happen right away
[13:12] <Sasha> orders are very clear
[13:12] <Sasha> if you have a problem with them talk to eowlyn
[13:12] <zol> they are, but they are out of date[13:13] <zol> So, Erik does that mean you are now 20% guild....?
[13:13] <Eddy> That order was posted before their attacks
[13:13] <Eddy> Rules should be flexible
[13:13] <Sasha> zol: I am at 16%
[13:13] <ch0b0> so you wnna keep on randoming?
[13:13] <zol> you get my point
[13:13] <Eddy> No
[13:14] <Eddy> Retal that noob kingdom
[13:14] <zol> we ONLY do retal and we do retal on buggers from tiny kds that don't back off
[13:14] <Eddy> Feed on them
[13:14] <zol> they've run it to UF
[13:14] <rily> its not random, they hit us to unfriendly
[13:14] <zol> wtf if our orcs can't hit back even if a feed is coming up
[13:15] <Grigorian> WoW
[13:15] <Sasha> what's the point sending out prior to a feed?
[13:15] <Eddy> This was a good opportunity to feed
[13:15] <Grigorian> come down guys
[13:15] <ch0b0> im not having this convo again.
[13:15] <ch0b0> afk
[13:15] <Eddy> It takes time to find a feed
[13:15] <Grigorian> orders say we'll have a feed target
[13:15] <Eddy> This was an opportunity presenting itself
[13:15] <Grigorian> if you thing that target should be the noob KD, just run it by eow
[13:16] <zol> i havent got time for this. people that complain about this seriously do not understand anything about team spiirit and are more concerned about doing solo runs
[13:17] <Eddy> She also said retal should be automatic guys
[13:17] <Eddy> We are following orders
[13:17] <Sasha> okey: let me clear things up
[13:17] <Grigorian> well nothing is 100%
[13:17] <Sasha> HOLD troopås
[13:17] <Grigorian> like you gota hold troops sometimes
[13:17] <Sasha> until target is set or orders are changed
[13:18] <Grigorian> ?
[13:18] <Eddy> Yeah but yesterday she said we should ALWAYS retal
[13:18] <zol> orders do say retal hits
[13:18] <Sasha> well, I am changing orders
[13:18] <zol> no one does random hits of course
[13:18] <Eddy> Either way
[13:18] <Eddy> I still have 57 k off at home
[13:19] <Eddy> I can still hit whatever target we find later
[13:19] <zol> i am off. Eddy no point in discussing. Erik usually takes the opposite view of whatever I do. Funnily enough only a few days ago he was saying I should do retals into bigger kds........
[13:19] <Sasha> it is hold armies unless you have good reason not to, eg massive suicide or similiar. If that is the case, talk to eowlyn or me/jappy and I we can authorize
[13:19] <Sasha> zol don't make it personal
[13:19] <Sasha> it's the same for all
[13:20] <Eddy> Retal is a good reason Erik
[13:20] <zol> Back up your kingdom Sasha
[13:20] <zol> Think about your kd, not your own personal goals
[13:20] <Sasha> I've had enough of this
[13:20] <zol> nuff said.
[13:20] <Eddy> It's not like this is a massive kingdom
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[13:20] <Eddy> It's a crappy little kingdom
[13:21] <Eddy> I still have troops and general home
[13:21] <Eddy> So it's not a big deal
[13:21] <Eddy> It was a love tap on them
[13:21] <Eddy> From me
[13:22] <rily> sasha, ill have my army back on 24th
[13:22] <Sasha> riles; this isn't about you
[13:22] <rily> ill ask eow what to do then
[13:22] <rily> it is, i asked them to retal for me
[13:22] <Eddy> If she was here shed agree with Zol and I
[13:23] <Sasha> listen, I understand the policy about retaliations have been cloudy recently
[13:23] <Eddy> I would have done it without you asking Rily
[13:23] <Sasha> but not I clearify it
[13:23] <Sasha> now I*
[13:23] <Sasha> you are NOT to retal hits if you cannot have troops home @ 24th
[13:23] <Sasha> until eowlyn overrides this, I'm talking by authority of co-monarch
[13:23] <Eddy> I have bloody troops home Erik
[13:23] <Eddy> 57 k of it
[13:24] <Eddy> We should always retal crappy little kingdoms who hit into us
[13:24] <Eddy> IMO
[13:24] <rily> sasha, its not so bad
[13:25] <rily> maybe we can do feed wave and retal at same time
[13:25] <Eddy> Unless we already have target in sight
[13:25] <Sasha> <Eddy> Unless we already have target in sight
[13:25] <Sasha> we have
[13:25] <Sasha> ffs
[13:25] <Sasha> well, it doesn't matter
[13:25] <Eddy> Then tell people about it
[13:25] <Sasha> I just did
[13:25] <Sasha> I'm just annoyed I wasn't around when this came up
[13:26] <Eddy> This is a small retal run
[13:26] <Eddy> I still have troops home
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[13:26] <Eddy> What's the big freaking deal?
[13:27] <Eddy> Do you feel I'm undermining your authority?
[13:27] <Eddy> Is that the reason?
[13:27] <Sasha> It may or may not be a big deal
[13:27] <Sasha> the point is, I thought orders were clear about keeping troops home
[13:27] <Eddy> Yea but this game is dynamic
[13:28] <Eddy> Situation changes
[13:28] <Sasha> that's why I said I'm annoyed I wasn't around
[13:28] <Sasha> but ffs, there were no real reason to rush was there?
[13:28] <Sasha> but I've said enough
[13:28] <Eddy> Something that was posted 12 hours ago was not applicable 3 hours ago
[13:28] <Sasha> I believe it was
[13:28] <Eddy> We do
[13:29] <Sasha> I would have adjusted orders if I felt the need
[13:29] <Eddy> Retal needs to happen before their troops get home
[13:29] <Eddy> There us a time constrain
[13:29] <Eddy> There is
[13:29] <Sasha> they hit you retaliated was made 15th Jan
[13:30] <Sasha> his troops wont be home for at least 10 hours
[13:30] <Eddy> I for one am sick and tired of small kingdom hitting into us
[13:30] <Eddy> And all the administrative red tape this kingdom has
[13:31] <Grigorian>  question...
[13:31] <Grigorian> how is retalling gona stop ghettos from hittin us
[13:31] <Eddy> Micro management is not gonna fare so well with many people
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[13:31] <Grigorian> when we get new ghetto hit every day
[13:31] <Eddy> We stop them one at a time
[13:32] <Eddy> It's not like they hit us once
[13:32] <Eddy> They hit us into unfriendly
[13:32] <Grigorian> we gona do this till we have retal deterred every kd in utopia
[13:32] <Sasha> it's a waste of time
[13:32] <Eddy> And they are set as peaceful
[13:32] <rily> alright chill guys
[13:32] <Sasha> best way of stopping randoms are getting into war
[13:32] <Sasha> and that is what we'll do
[13:33] <Grigorian> em
[13:33] <Eddy> It was not random Erik
[13:33] <Grigorian> Are we ready for war
[13:33] <Eddy> They were retaling a plunder I did earlier
[13:33] <Eddy> But they went too far
[13:33] <Sasha> random=not meant to be an attack to setup for a war
[13:34] <Eddy> If I have to check with people before an attack
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[13:34] <Eddy> I'm off
[13:34] <Grigorian> em randoms and retal are two seprate things
[13:35] <Sasha> but anyways this isn't open for discussion. If you have trouble with my orders take it up with eowlyn, I'm sure see'll be glad to talk to you about it
[13:35] <Eddy> This was clear cut retal
[13:35] <Eddy> She did
[13:35] <Eddy> I'm probably on her shit list
[13:35] <Eddy> But to be honest
[13:35] <Sasha> she can impossibly have talked to you about it, this started 15 minutes ago
[13:36] <Eddy> If she doesn't agree with me here
[13:36] <Eddy> I don't see much point if staying
[13:36] <Sasha> Eddy: pm
[13:37] <rily> eddy just calm down
[13:37] <rily> dont talk abt leaving and stuff.....
[13:37] <rily> thats just bad
[13:39] <Eddy> Im not as happy as i can be
[13:42] <rily> neither am I, but we can work it out
[13:45] <Eddy> There needs to be a little freedom here
[13:45] <Eddy> We are not ransoming
[13:45] <Eddy> Randoming
[13:46] <Eddy> I don't think we deserve the scolding we are getting
[13:46] <Eddy> End of story
[13:46] <Grigorian> Randoms generate retal adn we are stailing out at this point
[13:46] <Eddy> We are not
[13:47] <Eddy> We just created a perfect opportunity to feed
[13:47] <Eddy> If you cannot see it, I don't know what to say
[13:47] <Grigorian> we are not move at a good speed here
[13:47] <Grigorian> Ive been retalled twice for anon attacks i didnt make
[13:48] <Eddy> The only provinces that need feeding are the Orcs
[13:48] <Grigorian> and others are in personal wars
[13:48] <Eddy> This kingdom is perfect size fir Orcs
[13:48] <Grigorian> k
[13:48] <Eddy> I looked at all these and decide to retal
[13:49] <Grigorian> I just think we need to work our way out of this pattern
[13:49] <Grigorian> and going a feed on one kd is good for that
[13:50] <Grigorian> If youthink we should go after one these noob KDs
[13:50] <Eddy> Doesn't mean other random won't happen to us
[13:50] <Grigorian> then i dont disagree,
[13:50] <Grigorian> agian i dont disagree
[13:50] <Eddy> Why couldn't things happen spontaneously
[13:51] <Eddy> It's not based on poor judgement
[13:51] <Grigorian> spontaneous is not an adjective suited for strat games
[13:51] <Eddy> It's not in complete defiance of the monarch
[13:52] <Grigorian> well im not sayin retal is bad or that you are doin rong
[13:52] <Eddy> She did say retal should be automatic
[13:52] <Grigorian> just makin a point for my case
[13:52] <Eddy> Your case sux
[13:52] <Grigorian> I think we are spudering and shoud try something else to get movin along
[13:52] <Eddy> It's the truth
[13:53] <Grigorian> k now your just usin silly talk
[13:53] <Eddy> Like?
[13:53] <rily> eddy, dont get personal on grigs
[13:53] <rily> you being too confrontational at the moment
[13:53] <Eddy> Well honestly I don't see much point of saying anything more
[13:54] <Grigorian> na go ahead lettem blow steam i dont get pissy with ppl online
[13:54] <Eddy> I'm not pissed
[13:54] <Grigorian> pissy
[13:54] <Grigorian> it means makin others pissed
[13:55] <rily> eddy, just wait for eow to sort it out
[13:55] <Eddy> I know
[13:55] <Eddy> There is nothing to be sort out
[13:55] <Eddy> I don't think she will even care
[13:56] <Grigorian> it doesnt hurt to run it by her
[13:56] <Grigorian> but honestly its your call
[13:56] <Eddy> I don't think people should bother her about it either
[13:56] <Grigorian> not a big deal either way
[13:56] <Grigorian> sept that you are makin a lot of waves over it
[13:56] <Eddy> I'm not
[13:57] <Eddy> Erik is
[13:57] <Grigorian> eye of the beholder, ed
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[13:58] <Eddy> I wouldn't have to defend myself if he didnt make a big fuzz about it
[13:58] <Grigorian> anyways you good to go now
[13:58] <Grigorian> im out 4 a bit
[13:58] <Sasha> eddy, join #paradise
[13:59] <Eddy> I'm fine
[13:59] <Grigorian> and be cool ed
[13:59] <Eddy> I still have troops
[13:59] <Eddy> All good
[14:07] <rily> alright ill be around
[14:07] <rily> ill check in from time to time if anyone needs me
[14:09] <Eddy> Ok


PM eddy
[13:36] <Sasha> listen, I don't wanna be a bitch
[13:36] <Sasha> but you are digging a hole for yourself now
[13:36] <Eddy> Look
[13:37] <Sasha> can you listen to the reasoning behind the orders before claiming you'll leave if not agreed with
[13:37] <Sasha> ?
[13:37] <Eddy> I'm not the one who wanted retal
[13:37] <Eddy> I did not start this
[13:37] <Eddy> But I agree with peoples assessment
[13:38] <Sasha> I know you're not, but you're the one taking a stand about it, you and zol
[13:38] <Eddy> So I attacked
[13:38] <Sasha> I'll get back to zol later, but that's another story
[13:38] <Eddy> I believe in it
[13:38] <Eddy> Besides
[13:38] <Eddy> I did not send all out
[13:38] <Sasha> The reason of the orders are this: For the KD-
[13:38] <Sasha> KD-s sake, we need troops home
[13:38] <Sasha> to do a proper feed wave
[13:38] <Eddy> I can still feed
[13:39] <Sasha> it's ok to let attacks slip, since the overall gain will be better
[13:39] <Eddy> 57 k off is not small
[13:39] <Eddy> I read the order
[13:39] <Sasha> that arguement kinda slips because it's a fact you could make a 92k hit, now you're forced into a smaller one
[13:40] <Sasha> I understand wanting to retal, but it's a neverending story
[13:40] <Sasha> we'll be struck forever if we don't let a hit or two slip in a while while prepping for war
[13:40] <Eddy> How are we gonna prep for war when Orcs keep getting hit
[13:41] <Sasha> by doing feeding waves
[13:41] <Eddy> Sounds easy
[13:41] <Eddy> We will still be the ones getting hit back
[13:41] <Sasha> it's not ideal, but let's face it. One 1 one retals wont help either
[13:41] <Eddy> They will not sit there and get attack by us
[13:41] <Sasha> feeding waves will either a) make them turtle (free hits) or b) give us war
[13:42] <Eddy> It's not a one on one if we feed on then
[13:42] <Eddy> This kingdom is already at unfriendly
[13:42] <Eddy> It's the perfect size for Orcs


pm rily
[13:45] <Sasha> what started this mess really?
[13:46] <rily> me and grig got hit by them and it got to unfriendly
[13:47] <Sasha> you do realise what kind of impact this is having right?
[13:47] <rily> yea
[13:48] <Sasha> eddy is diggin a deep hole for himself
[13:48] <Sasha> I don't want you to jump in it right next to him
[13:48] <rily> im tryin to stop him too
[13:48] <Sasha> I know, just wanna make it clear
[13:49] <rily> partly my fault, i asked those around for ops and intels and stuffs
[13:49] <Sasha> eddy is very close of getting cut now, he's being stubborn and doesn't want to listen to reason, not even in pm. He's from a ghetto originally and haven't got the experience, but he have a huge mouth
[13:50] <Sasha> there are a long line of people wanting to join, if he's starting to do ultimatums, he'll be asked to leave
[13:50] <Sasha> this isn't the first time either
[13:50] <Sasha> so don't worry
[13:50] <Sasha> you might have started the fire, but he's fueling it himself
[13:50] <Sasha> just wanted to make sure you realised what was wrong here


paradise
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[13:59] <Eddy> Huh?
[13:59] <Sasha> just chill for 5 minutes
[13:59] <Sasha> then we'll talk it over
[13:59] <Eddy> I'm chill my friend
[13:59] <Sasha> in between you, me and eowlyn
[14:00] <Eddy> It really isn't something we need to talk about
[14:01] <Eddy> Looking at that kingdom, cab you honestly tell me it isn't the perfect kingdom for us to feed on?
[14:04] <Sasha> I believe it's a problem
[14:04] <Sasha> either you are wrong, or I am
[14:04] <Eddy> Which is?
[14:05] <Sasha> we'll let boss sort it out
[14:05] <Eddy> I don't think it's all that important
[14:05] <Eddy> Why bother her with every little thing
[14:06] <Eddy> The attacks were made, based on personal judgements of a few
[14:06] <Eddy> If we decide to wave on them more, great
[14:06] <Eddy> If not, then no more attack on them
[14:07] <Eddy> No harm done
[14:07] <Eddy> Why make it into a bigger deal than it is
[14:07] <Eddy> ?