Trump crossed the Rubicon

euphony
I don't mind whether people are polite, I care more about what is said, like if someone says "I just have sincerely held religious beliefs that Christ did not intend in His providence that the lower races should presume equality with Western Civilization" then "Go &*() yourself with a &*() pike" is a perfectly acceptable response.
euphony
<+ripglk> "stand back and stand by" doesn't even have plausible deniability if you ask me <-- he also told his mob "“We are going to cheer on our brave senators and congressmen and women, and we are probably not going to be cheering so much for some of them — because you will never take back our country with weakness.” which is a direct incitement to violence against the senators.
13:53 euphony
Trump has always had a gross understanding of hypnotic language, so quite often he can directly incite his mob without ever actyally saying it. like a coward.
euphony
 yah. he has had some really amazing language patterns, like if you are into hypnosis at all he is really, really big on creating confusion, using implication, and all sorts of techniques to lull the conscious mind to sleep. Because he is a con man, and con men know how to speak in ways that are not rational but motivate action.
euphony
I guess once you go so far up the intestines you gotta keep crawling up and forward if you wanna escape out the mouth Tzip
euphony
our organization was endorsed by Giuliani, about two years ago we scrubbed him from all our marketing materials.
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Donco
Church of Q
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innit
euphony: Trump is guilty of treason. It's a death penalty offense.
innit
Life in prison and blocked from ever being able to serve in office is the compromise position.
innit
(This is what it sounds like when you encounter a person deeply committed to justice rather than cowardice. Most Americans are beaten down slaves, but philosophy inures you to such frivolity.)
innit
I misused inured.
euphony
Innit I am not a fan of the spectacle that forms around executions, half the point historically of executing a criminal was "Come one come all and see some wonderfully entertaining blood sport, that's right this Friday at 6pm gather round and bring your friends for a delightful state sanctioned murder" But.... some people deserve to be quietly "medicated" behind close doors.
innit
Let's go with inoculate
euphony
Esp since there is no issue at all of condemning an innocent man
innit
euphony: Clearly the precedent for Trump's execution would be the Nuremberg Trials, however.
euphony
Yee
innit
Not 19th century lynchings by white supremacists.
innit
Calls for unity are explicitly anti-democratic and anti-rule of law.
euphony
<+innit> Not 19th century lynchings by white supremacists. <-- naww lets indulge in the irony :P <3 :) ............... this is why executions are bad they bring out the worst in all of us. Just put him in a cell for the rest of his days, same with his family and other accomplices. Like jokes about giving Trump the King Louis treatment and Gulags aside, just get rid of him quietly
innit
Democracy explicitly requires and encourages diversity. Rule of law requires principled action regardless of the consequences.
innit
All those calling for unity are anti-American, then.
innit
This includes president-elect Biden.
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euphony: 1) Some crimes are worthy of the death penalty
euphony
I'm not a liberal, I think everyone knows I am far left, but once we start executing people, it is a very, very, very slippery slope you go down.
innit
2) Crimes most obviously deserving of the death penalty are those done against many people with pernicious effects
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3) One of the best ways to commit far-reaching, pernicious crimes is to be the head of state
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3) There have existed heads of state that have been guilty of death penalty offenses
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4) There have existed heads of state that have been guilty of death penalty offenses, e.g. Hitler
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5) Trump's crimes, also, are death penalty offenses due to (2) + (3)
innit
Simple logical structure.
innit
euphony: We should execute all the people worthy of being executed, and none of the people who are not worthy.
innit
Trump's goal was to murder half of Congress.
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And then to institute dynastic, fascist rule.
euphony
Okay I am gonna be honest. I don't disagree with the logic of what you are saying, I just know I would feel *good* seeing Trump hang live on TV. I would upload that stuff to POrnHub. But that is the problem, capital punishment makes us all indulge in our worst taste and instincts. We have a system to make sure Trump and Co can not harm others and do not experience a joyous life, just put them in prison. Executions historically functioned as
euphony
*entertainment*.
innit
This is a death penalty offense.
innit
Hurting bad people is a good impulsee.
innit
It demonstrates the presence of justice.
innit
The risk is not in enjoying hurt people -- the risk is enjoying that feeling so much you hurt the wrong people just to get high.
innit
That would be a death penalty offense.
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innit
Trump wants to murder half of Congress and institute dynastic fascism because he is afraid of being held accountable by non-death penalty mechanisms.
innit
He is begging us to kill him.
innit
He is telling us, "I am never going to stop until you kill me or I kill you."
euphony
I feel like once a society lets itself have a bit of a rush it is gonna want harder rushes down the road. None of this is out of concern for Trump and Co, they can choke on a cue ball for all I care. I just do not want to live in a society that comes to love crucifixions, procriptions, show trials and blood sports.
innit
euphony: Did you ever see Battlestar Galactica?
euphony
I admit this is reducto ad absurdum
euphony
LOVE nBSG!!!!!!!!
innit
I don't love killing heads of state.
innit
I love justice. I am its servant.
innit
I am obligate to perform Its actions It commands.
innit
It commands me to love life so much that I must destroy those who destroy life.
innit
euphony: Do you recall the scene with the President, Captain Adama, and Admiral Caine?
euphony
Innit about spending their timme arguing the ins and outs of Colonial law?
innit
hehe
innit
Exactly.
innit
The President and Captain Adama attempt to tell Admiral Caine all the things that they have been doing trying to save and regenerate their civilization.
innit
And all she can see are new military assets.
euphony
Yah it was a good scene. Caine was a heroin, in her own way.
innit
Admiral Caine walks out of the room and nobody says anything.
innit
Nobody is mad. Nobody has bloodlust.
innit
"You have to kill her, Bill."
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The values of Admiral Caine were incompatible with their way of life.
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And so she had to die because she wouldn't let them flee.
innit
This is the best piece of art that has encapsulated my feelings on this matter.
innit
There's no anger. There's no bloodlust. Trump has told us he will keep trying to kill us until we kill him.
euphony
Is the death penalty a deterrent tho? My understanding is statistically it is not?
innit
Again, his goal was get about half of Congress bludgeoned to death.
innit
Their craniums smashed, their brains leaking out onto the fine carpet.
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This who Trump is.
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euphony: The death penalty is a deterrent to the dead person -- yes.
innit
Admiral Caine attempted to conscript no more civilians into her Death March after she was killed.
cyklOpz
icu
innit
euphony: Did you see the killing of Ashli Babbit?
euphony
But not to others? Such is my understanding. Also I am gonna step away for a second, I am researching and writing about the medical history of sex and gender in Germany for a thing I am working on. It is good to see you again Lania.
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euphony: You kill the top leaders, imprison the next tier, and denazify the rest.
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If the next tier don't like it, they get promoted to top leader.
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If the rest don't like it, they get promoted to next tier.
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The police officer trained his gun on Ashli Babbitt. Nothing was said. "If you cross the threshold, I will instantly kill you."
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She crossed the threshold. He instantly killed her. Everybody fled and nobody else attempted to cross the threshold.
15:02 innit
euphony: Top advisors were literally calling on Trump to 'cross the Rubicon'.
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15:02 innit
They're begging us to kill them.
Donco
The crowd outside was chanting "Kill Mike Pence! Kill Mike Pnece!"
innit
They're invoking history in which a tyrant crossed a threshold and destroyed his republic, ultimately resulting in his own death and the deaths of huge numbers of others.
Donco
sorry...
Donco
The crowd outside was chanting "Hang Mike Pence! Hang Mike Pnece!"
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innit
Yes, it is justified to kill Julius Caesar after he crosses the Rubicon.