Ame wins, barely

This entire debate was a fucking bog by both opponent throwing anti-feats at each other and each saying, “nope, doesn’t count.” We also get stupid minor points that hold absolutely no water by Ame such as: Adamantium has no feats given, “Shishio’s blunt dura is bad”, “1 inch stone”, and some other minor shit. However, thank you for teaching me about Japanese architecture at this point of time.

First main point, Shishio. He’s overall great, but his fire isn’t gonna do shit and he’s not gonna grapple fuck people. He will tank a lot of blunt damage and he can just fuck on everyone on Ame’s team with his punches and sword strikes if he could hit them. That’s where the problem comes in, he needs to cross that distance and get into cqc range and there’s no real defense of Batman’s esoterics, at least none that convinced me fully. If it wasn’t for the weak argument on that front, Shishio would have been hell on Ame’s team, but that very important aspect nullified him.
Ame wins, barely

This entire debate was a fucking bog by both opponent throwing anti-feats at each other and each saying, “nope, doesn’t count.” We also get stupid minor points that hold absolutely no water by Ame such as: Adamantium has no feats given, “Shishio’s blunt dura is bad”, “1 inch stone”, and some other minor shit. However, thank you for teaching me about Japanese architecture at this point of time.

First main point, Shishio. He’s overall great, but his fire isn’t gonna do shit and he’s not gonna grapple fuck people. He will tank a lot of blunt damage and he can just fuck on everyone on Ame’s team with his punches and sword strikes if he could hit them. That’s where the problem comes in, he needs to cross that distance and get into cqc range and there’s no real defense of Batman’s esoterics, at least none that convinced me fully. If it wasn’t for the weak argument on that front, Shishio would have been hell on Ame’s team, but that very important aspect nullified him.

This leaves Ame in a 3v2 advantage.

Cap’s shield was a heavily contested issue. Ame did great with his low showings of the Shield throw, which Corv just ignored and trucked on with high end feats. This point could’ve been easily countered with “in-character/doesn’t want to bisect people/etc.”, but this never really happened. Ame’s speed argument also stuck heavily as the 1-2 feats Corv threw were outweighed by more feats that Ame provided. Cap’s shields of stop will stop shit even some esoterics, Ame’s points against the kite shield were weak.

Now onto cap himself, while shields are great. The fact that one of the big feats for cap was him getting absolutely ragdolled by a person who’s shown striking feats are at the same level of Shang and Bats was really big. The unargued skill points and my belief that speed isn’t that massively different and the numbers disadvantage puts Cap in an unfavorable fight. We still got esoterics that put another nail in the coffin.