<DJ> hi
<DJ> ok
<DJ> well
<DJ> in the past two days
<DJ> I've been contemplating leaving Omni or going pretty much inactive
<jimbauwen> Ok
<DJ> not because of the news incident but something else
<jimbauwen>
<DJ> the news incident would just make me quit news editing functions
<DJ> (I mean the part where all news editors seems to want me to post everything for them)
<DJ> (nCreator, OS 3.2 blocking ndless, etc)
<jimbauwen> Well, when I asked I really had no time
<DJ> (but that was solved it seems)
<jimbauwen> Sorry
<jimbauwen>
<DJ> yeah well it just seemed at first ppl wanted me to do everything
<DJ> I'M glad it wasnt the case
<jimbauwen> I would have done it, but really was busy
<DJ> i just wanted to take a small break or slow down while I'm busy with the merge and then I was sick
<jimbauwen> Ah, hope you get beter
<jimbauwen> better
<jimbauwen> I've got a cold too
<DJ> yeah I'm a bit worried sometimes though
<jimbauwen>
<DJ> I'm usually good but sometiems weird things happens to me it seems lately (although it did a while ago when I still had some life issues and there were forum problems but not so bad that it would force me to miss a day of work and go close to fall unconscious)
<DJ> anyway
<DJ> the reason why i was contemplating leaving
<jimbauwen> (I'm still here listening )
<DJ> is partially linked to my health, because that's exactly stuff that perhaps permanently damaged me before
<DJ> and if I had the chance to avoid going through that stuff I would take every bit of it
<DJ> but IRL it was impossible when you face the people concerned
<DJ> online it is possible
<DJ> because you just close the monitor or website
<DJ> then you're safe
<DJ> well sadly the exact same thing (or very similar) happened two days ago in IRC
<DJ> and I no longer feel safe on Omni
<jimbauwen> Hope the situation will improve
<DJ> IRL I was lucky and didnt have to deal with this for over a year now
<DJ> and thanks to being able to see juju more often i at least have one IRL person that respects me regardless of what
<jimbauwen> I assume that you want me to take care of the news a bit too?
<DJ> not necessarily as I'm not decided
<jimbauwen> Okay
<DJ> it will prbly depend of your bro response to the stuff that happened
<jimbauwen> Ah, it's about that
<jimbauwen> I didn't see the discussion
<DJ> if I feel this might repeat again or that on Omni I'm now unsafe from this stuff,
<jimbauwen> But he told me about Xeda, and then I can guess what happened
<DJ> Since Omni is on the internet
<jimbauwen> DJ
<DJ> and I want to avoid dealing with that stuff (or risking having to deal with it IRL and online too)
<jimbauwen> My believe is Christian too
<DJ> then I can simply logout from Omni as long as this is at risk of happening (basically as long as he's on)
<jimbauwen> and you know what that means. But I don't agree with his method
<jimbauwen> (How stefan did it)
<DJ> yeah (actually I didnt know your exact religion, like protestant, buddhist, etc)
<jimbauwen> It's Christian
<DJ> and yeah I know eeems said similar stuff before but stayed civil
<DJ> basically he said
<DJ> he doesn't mind if a friend is gay/bi/etc, it just doesn't mean he agrees with their way of life
<DJ> actually at first he mainly put the emphasis on the latter iirc
<DJ> so i did not know until much later if he would actually dump a friend if he came out
<DJ> and finally it turned out that he would remain friend regardless (well as long as the friend doesn't ask him favors and such stuff )
<DJ> Same goes for a few people who were involved into similar discussions
<DJ> I can remember that one UTI thread for example
<jimbauwen> If I would have a friend, and he would reveal something like this I would have a long talk with him. I'm still his friend, and I tell it too help him (because I think this is the truth).
<DJ> I have no clue about Xvicarious yet (since something close to Stefan happened a few months ago too), same for Hot Dog and you
<DJ> what kind of talk, tho? Why would it be necessary?
<jimbauwen> And, if he continues in his path I can't continue to act like nothing happened
<DJ> especially considering what he does at home doesn't have any effect on what you do at yours
<jimbauwen> To tell him (that I believe ) it's wrong
<DJ> well this means you would not respect his opinion
<DJ> or religion/lack of religion
<DJ> and are basically narrow-minded/bigot
<jimbauwen> I doing it because I love him, because I want to save him from Hell (this is my belive)
<jimbauwen> believe
<DJ> well
<DJ> tonight
<DJ> you jsut lost a friend
<DJ> and that friend does not want to have anymore interaction with you anymore, ever
<jimbauwen> I'm sorryt
<DJ> and any attempt at bringing this up to him, insisting, trying to force your beliefs on him, etc, or just contacting
<jimbauwen>
<DJ> will lead to reporting you to your ISP for harrassment
<DJ> farewell
<jimbauwen> I'll leave Omni then
<DJ> learn to leave people do what they want and not impose your religion or beliefs on them
<DJ> and then you can return
<DJ> btw there'S a nice quote from stefan
<jimbauwen> sorry, was afk
<jimbauwen> I let other people do what they want. But my life and actions will be affected
<jimbauwen> I will only try to explain them
<jimbauwen> That is all
<jimbauwen> I'll not force them anything
<DJ> how will they be affected
<DJ> besides maybe the person going to hell as you said when he dies
<DJ> amnd note that not everyone believes that but you are trying to force them to think like you
<DJ> Also
<DJ> trying to talk to them into knowing what they do is wrong is disrespectful
<DJ> because you do not respect the person for how he is
<DJ> also let me quote what stefan posted
<jimbauwen> Ok
<DJ> he said something along the lines that
<jimbauwen> (if I can't answer it's because im afk)
<jimbauwen> (dad is upset)
<DJ> [12:58:33] <OmnomIRC> (O)<Stefan Bauwens> Also Ben_g, if you say something against gays/trans/lesbians openly, there is a big chance you get killed
<DJ> The ironic thing is
<DJ> plenty of things he said in this convo
<DJ> could get him beaten down if he actually said them in one of those ppl face
<DJ> but I guess he was too scared and had to hide behind a computer screen to pull out his hate speech
<DJ> which could have gotten him banned permanently anyway
<DJ> also
<DJ> the way such person believes
<DJ> I'm starting to understand SirCmpwn's behavior on Cemetech with the death threats now
<DJ> granted, that was a bit too far since not every religious people believes as strongly about stuff as others
<DJ> and his behavior was also hate speech
<DJ> but that kind of stuff is enough for someone to rebel against religion or something
<DJ> Besides that he ddint stop when asked anyway which is also ban worthy
<jimbauwen> Well, I disagree with that
<jimbauwen> I would have stopped
<jimbauwen> Stefan is many times too extreme
<jimbauwen> But my believs are what I said above
<jimbauwen> And if I'm sorry if I lost you as a friend
<jimbauwen> I will not stop
<jimbauwen> now
<jimbauwen> I will announce that I'm going to leave omnimaga, since I'm not going to change my opinion in this matter
<DJ> well
<DJ> as you said above
<DJ> you said you wouldnt stop being friend with someone like xeda
<DJ> but would have a huge talk with him
<jimbauwen> Yes
<DJ> so basically
<DJ> if the person sets you on /ignore or stuff like that
<DJ> you will leave omni, right?
<DJ> just because one person is LGBT on a forum that only talks about calculators?
<DJ> or almost only
<DJ> Because trust me if you do that
<jimbauwen> In the bible says, don't eat on the same table as sinners  (something like that), yet Jesus ate with sinners and told them stuff
<DJ> I think you better leave the entire community
<jimbauwen> Ok
<DJ> because
<jimbauwen> I will do that
<DJ> your reason for leaving will be publicly stated
<DJ> and I dont think many people will like
<jimbauwen> Quite my stuff
<jimbauwen> quote
<DJ> if you are so narrow-minded
<DJ> and still live in 1960
<DJ> you dont even deserve to live
<jimbauwen> Ok
<DJ> you better not come to quebec city or neightboor areas
<jimbauwen> This is the end then of this talk
<jimbauwen> Goodbye DJ
<DJ> i have no respect for people who hate someone just because he has a different sexual orientation
<jimbauwen> I don't hate
<DJ> yes you do
<jimbauwen> totally not
<jimbauwen> Ok
<DJ> because you want to impose your views on me
<jimbauwen> Well, I'm going to stop now
<DJ> I am fine if you leave me alone about my sexual orientation
<DJ> we were fine before, right?
<jimbauwen> Yes
<DJ> i mean talked often in private about calc stuff
<DJ> and you want to end it only for one stupid thing
<DJ> it's like if you discovered I'M black/muslim and decided to hate me because of it
<DJ> except instead of racism it's another form of bigotry
<DJ> because personally
<DJ> Eeems is catholic
<DJ> abnd he told me openly he disagrees with my orientation
<DJ> and said it was wrong
<DJ> but he still wanted to remain friend
<DJ> well guess what:
<DJ> he left me alone about it  (as in not bothering me about it) and we still talk sometimes today
<jimbauwen> No, I don't hate you. I never will. I just want to save you from something I think will come and I want to save you from suffering. This is what every true christian believes. This is my believe and I think it'ss the truth.
<jimbauwen> I think it's better this discussion ends now
<jimbauwen> I gave my view's, you can post them
<jimbauwen> I'm not going to discus any further, because it will have no affect
<jimbauwen> Sorry and goodbye
<jimbauwen> Jim