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  1. the liberal arts -- literature, art, music, history, philosophy build the human spirit
  2. [05:01:41]  <+mazy^grace>   there wasn't a problem
  3. [05:01:50]  <+mazy^grace>   it made them a lot more productive
  4. [05:01:59]  <+Ovid> yeah.
  5. [05:02:12]  <+Ovid> that's kind of neat.
  6. [05:02:17]  <+mazy^grace>   ya
  7. [05:02:44]  <+mazy^grace>   they each had their own cubicle
  8. [05:02:52]  <+mazy^grace>   giving them privacy
  9. [05:03:07]  <+mazy^grace>   and the ability to produce better
  10. [05:03:17]  <+mazy^grace>   because there were no distractions
  11. [05:03:38]  <+mazy^grace>   all the cubicles
  12. [05:03:51]  <+mazy^grace>   were designed to block noise and distractions
  13. [05:11:44]  <+friida>   sort of like individual troll jails?
  14. [05:12:08]  <+mazy^grace>   if you want to spin it negatively like that
  15. [05:12:37]  <+mazy^grace>   I prefer to think about it positively
  16. [05:12:39]  <+friida>   i'm sure many people that works for, but equally sure some people need another method
  17. [05:12:52]  <+friida>   do they provide alternatives?
  18. [05:13:02]  <+mazy^grace>   absolutely
  19. [05:13:10]  <+friida>   ok then, that's very cool
  20. [05:13:13]  <+mazy^grace>   not all people produce alike
  21. [05:13:38]  <+mazy^grace>   they had many 'social' areas
  22. [05:13:41]  <+mazy^grace>   as well
  23. [05:13:48]  <+mazy^grace>   for people to brainstorm
  24. [05:14:09]  <+Ovid> tech companies kind of lead on business culture. at least in what gets publicizied
  25. [05:14:14]  <+Ovid> publicized*
  26. [05:14:18]  <+mazy^grace>   ya
  27. [05:14:49]  <+Ovid> or kind of tend to.
  28. [05:16:23]  <+Ovid> publicizied sounds like a Roberto Benigni word =)
  29. [05:21:36]  <+friida>   il mostro?
  30. [05:21:39]  <+friida>   :)
  31. [05:22:05]  Ovid (~lakitu@lakitu.users.undernet.org) left IRC (Ping timeout)
  32. [05:37:01]  Ovid (Mutter@lakitu.users.undernet.org) joined the channel
  33. [05:37:01] X sets mode +v Ovid
  34. [05:39:08]  <+Ovid> back
  35. [05:42:36]  <+Ovid> great topic, overall (the topicline)
  36. [05:45:44]  <+friida>   what are the conservative arts then?
  37. [05:46:22]  <+friida>   illiteracy, graffiti, screaming, ignorance, and hate?
  38. [05:46:36]  <+Ovid> finance... no i won’t joke =D
  39. [05:46:38]  <+Ovid> hehe.
  40. [05:47:06] Ovid thinks someone isn’t happy with conservativism
  41. [05:48:28]  OldShrimpDog (~ZenKurtz@ip70-178-116-222.ks.ks.cox.net) joined the channel
  42. [05:48:45]  <OldShrimpDog>  so undernet is dead
  43. [05:49:03]  <OldShrimpDog>  anyone disagree with me?
  44. [05:49:36]  <+Ragtime^> not totally dead
  45. [05:49:42]  <OldShrimpDog>  lol
  46. [05:49:48]  <+Ovid> apologies for pokiness. got thrown onto my phone, internet down for me
  47. [05:49:53]  <OldShrimpDog>  there isn't a single intelligent person here
  48. [05:49:58]  <OldShrimpDog>  besides me
  49. [05:50:11]  <OldShrimpDog>  Ragtime^ is a sad anne coulter worshiping racist
  50. [05:50:12] X sets mode +b *!~*@ip70-178-116-222.ks.ks.cox.net
  51. [05:50:12]  X kicked OldShrimpDog from the channel ((lyrael) slummin?)
  52. [05:50:21]  <+Ovid> just got my keyboard hooked up to my phone
  53. [05:50:32]  <+Ovid> lyrael: the kick is good!!
  54. [05:51:11]  <+Ragtime^> I bet an old shrimp dog has a bad smell.
  55. [05:51:32]  <+friida>   not if the shrimp is fresh and the dog is not wet
  56. [05:52:30]  <mime>  What?
  57. [05:53:06]  <+Ovid> friida would you like to enjoy my new philosophy of life matrix? here it is if so:
  58. [05:53:50]  <+friida>   be nice or be gone?
  59. [05:54:05]  <mime>  I would say be Man or be still.
  60. [05:54:38]  <+Ovid> http://joevalentyn.org/'s-files-for/Undernet-philosophy-rooms/MOST-IMPORTANT-PEOPLE-BY-PURPOSES.-PERSONAL-LIFE-FACETS-BY-PURPOSES.HTML
  61. [05:54:51]  <+Ovid> ^ friida
  62. [05:55:24]  <+Ovid> this isn’t an exam, just something to graze over & enjoy if you like
  63. [05:56:02]  <+friida>   what do you enter into that?
  64. [05:56:04]  <+friida>   nicks?
  65. [05:56:14]  <+Ovid> ok - so there’s two
  66. [05:56:15]  <mime>  Stop policing.
  67. [05:56:25]  <+Ovid> the top one you would.put people’s names
  68. [05:56:38]  <+Ovid> your most important people, actually
  69. [05:56:48]  <mime>  Females...
  70. [05:56:57]  <+Ovid> Females... =D
  71. [05:57:03]  <+Ovid> maybe not for friida so much lol
  72. [05:57:05]  <+Ovid> well
  73. [05:57:06]  <+Ovid> actually
  74. [05:57:10] Ovid strike one
  75. [05:57:29]  <+Ovid> swing & a muff
  76. [05:57:39]  <+Ovid> no
  77. [05:57:51]  <mime>  Did I do the unboxing of my new Omega?
  78. [05:57:58]  <+Ovid> friida has important females in her life.
  79. [05:58:03]  Mujodoka (Mujodoka@cmbypq1103w-lp130-01-67-71-24-163.dsl.bell.ca) left IRC (Quit: Leaving)
  80. [05:58:07]  <mime>  No?
  81. [05:58:13]  <+Ovid> but yes, so you’d put important people in the first one
  82. [05:58:22]  <+Ovid> on the row headers (the row labels)
  83. [05:58:52]  <+Ovid> but i think i preferred the second one - which you also think of re someone
  84. [05:58:59]  <+friida>   mime, what are youi on about now?
  85. [05:59:32]  <+Ovid> so like, a wife, a best friend, your kid’s friend
  86. [06:00:19]  <+Ovid> there’s.... say, getting to know these aspects about them, loving these things, enjoying these things with them, etc
  87. [06:00:34]  <+Ovid> learning about these things (in life) from them
  88. [06:01:02]  <+Ovid> it’s hard to present on a bluetooth keyboard & small iphone, but that’s the best i can do
  89. [06:01:09]  <mime>  Pic 1: https://imgur.com/a/H4lVsdg Pic 2: https://imgur.com/a/QaWEfkn Pic 3: https://imgur.com/a/MPpiLD0
  90. [06:02:38]  <+Ovid> e.g. enjoy your neighbor’s garden - if you applied the 2nd matrix to your neighbor (an other, for lack of better words), & looked in the bottom right cubby hole for these things
  91. [06:02:40]  <mime>  Pic 4: https://imgur.com/a/m4ozFie Pic 5: https://imgur.com/a/qC3TM1O Pic 6: https://imgur.com/a/3V7D9x7
  92. [06:03:03]  <mime>  I paid just above 4000 dollars with VAT.
  93. [06:03:33]  <+friida>   the u.s. should use VAT
  94. [06:05:22]  <mime>  But then again, my solid gold IWC was in investment.
  95. [06:06:37]  <mime>  As the internet says:
  96. [06:06:56]  <mime>  https://imgur.com/a/qJJj6LJ
  97. [06:06:58]  Zanadu (~textual@pool-72-69-89-156.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) left IRC (Quit: Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com)
  98. [06:08:30]  <+Ovid> (friida, not enter nicks, no. it isn’t a data collecting thing)
  99. [06:09:32]  <+Ovid> friida, i have a different tack for you, i’d like to ask something i asked my closest people. after you’ve grokked it some, how do you think i couild share it? teach it? 1-on-1? in some impersonal video or in a book? what do you think?
  100. [06:09:55]  <mime>  I wouldn't try, Ovid. friida is a woman.
  101. [06:10:20] Ovid ignores mime, per policy
  102. [06:10:29]  <mime>  The concerns are different, Ovid. Makeup, and such.
  103. [06:10:59]  <+Ovid> any ideas?
  104. [06:11:15]  <mime>  Surely they couldnt even get the mail otherwise.
  105. [06:11:20]  <mime>  Or could they?
  106. [06:11:35]  <mime>  Going outside, all crazy-haired in the pajamas?
  107. [06:11:39]  <+friida>   just construct a webpage describing what it is and what it's for
  108. [06:12:04]  <mime>  I think they could at least dress up.
  109. [06:12:17]  <mime>  Going out in public like that.
  110. [06:13:12]  <mime>  I always put on Meyer pants and a nice shirt.
  111. [06:13:21]  <+Ovid> back
  112. [06:13:28]  <+Ovid> this sweater looks terrible on me
  113. [06:13:40]  <mime>  If you say so.
  114. [06:14:22]  guerro (~tejano@cpe-70-119-162-239.tx.res.rr.com) left IRC (Ping timeout)
  115. [06:14:38] X sets mode +l 35
  116. [06:14:53]  <+Ovid> friida: hmmm. i kind of want to teach it (not saying to you, here) 1-on-1. maybe i could have a portable printer or smth & make custom matrixes of life philosophy for people
  117. [06:15:13]  <+Ovid> hmm
  118. [06:15:31]  <+Ovid> hmmm. very hmmm =)
  119. [06:15:46]  <mime>  How to unify the material, asked the student. Matter is not irrelevant, said, Aristotle.e
  120. [06:16:00]  <mime>  And the university student laugh.
  121. [06:16:56]  <mime>  But truly, this is how people think.
  122. [06:17:14] friida   knot know
  123. [06:17:19]  <+Ovid> i found something called the american philosophical counseling association or smth, but when i looked them up it seemed like they were half psychologists
  124. [06:17:26]  <mime>  Surely everyone cant understand it, least of them woman,
  125. [06:17:35]  <+Ovid> friida that’s fine. i appreicate the effort
  126. [06:17:39]  <mime>  But this is intellectual humor.
  127. [06:17:43]  <+Ovid> at least you’re not giving bad advice
  128. [06:18:12]  <+Ovid> the ‘apca’ or whatever was responsible for Plato, Not Prozac a number of years ago
  129. [06:18:35]  <mime>  Ooooh, oooh
  130. [06:19:34]  <mime>  friida What do you think of the topic?
  131. [06:19:54]  <+Ovid> i am more in the ‘don’t fix what ain’t broken’ for most people, & just want to help them expand, extend, further their lives/interests, not correct ‘a broken head’. personally
  132. [06:20:11]  <+Ovid> err, camp
  133. [06:20:17]  <+Ovid> ‘dont’ fix what aint broken’ camp
  134. [06:20:32]  <+Ovid> ‘don’t fix what ain’t broken.’*
  135. [06:20:36]  <mime>  friida Not particularly appealing?
  136. [06:21:17]  <+Ovid> why mime? why make it personal about her?
  137. [06:21:23]  <mime>  Huh?
  138. [06:22:16]  <+Ovid> brb, seeing if my main line is back up (main internet line)
  139. [06:22:24]  <mime>  What?
  140. [06:22:36]  <+friida>   who?
  141. [06:22:53]  <mime>  friida !
  142. [06:23:05]  <mime>  What do you think about the topic?
  143. [06:23:44]  <+friida>   where?
  144. [06:23:49]  <mime>  The topic.
  145. [06:24:09]  <+Ovid> i remember seeing one guy’s blog, where he offered to “philosophically counsel” people over the internet. $400/session i think
  146. [06:24:16]  <mime>  OK.
  147. [06:25:05]  <+Ovid> i was like, oh, this is like sophists - which can be or some look at in a good light, contributing to philosophy/education in ancient Athenian society
  148. [06:25:23]  <mime>  Oh.. thats wow..
  149. [06:25:39]  <mime>  Amazing.
  150. [06:26:03]  <+Ovid> but i am still unclear if all ‘philosophical counselors’ use psychology, or some really use philosophy (without psychology). anyway it was intersting
  151. [06:26:10]  <+Ovid> interesting*
  152. [06:26:30]  <mime>  Whats interesting is that you spoke with a guy taking 400 dollars for it.
  153. [06:26:39]  <mime>  And I guess you got it for free?
  154. [06:26:44]  <+Ovid> yes, & i walked on the ceiling
  155. [06:26:47]  <mime>  OK.
  156. [06:26:50]  <+Ovid> ^ mime’s fact collection
  157. [06:26:55]  <mime>  OK.
  158. [06:27:36]  <mime>  By now I can already tell much about you, Ovid.
  159. [06:27:37]  <+Ovid> ii specifically said i read his blog
  160. [06:27:41]  <mime>  Like your gender.
  161. [06:28:00]  <mime>  Ovid But did you speak to him or not?
  162. [06:28:20] Ovid ignores mime, per policy
  163. [06:28:27]  <mime>  What?
  164. [06:28:38]  <mime>  Man, Ovid, did you speak to him or not?
  165. [06:28:39]  guerro (~tejano@70.119.162.239) joined the channel
  166. [06:28:45]  <+Ovid> & no i did not pay him 400$ for that
  167. [06:28:52]  <mime>  Phew.
  168. [06:29:02]  <mime>  I think we have reached a climax, folks.
  169. [06:29:03]  <+Ovid> he said he did 3hr sessions
  170. [06:29:05]  <+Ovid> kind of interesting
  171. [06:29:14]  <mime>  He took 400 dollars, but Ovid got it for free.
  172. [06:29:46]  <mime>  Thats a literal climax.
  173. [06:29:55]  <mime>  Its like Agatha Christi.
  174. [06:30:12]  <+Ovid> some of my friends i would love to, under duress, shack up in a cabin with & talk thru my problems i have in my personal life at the time. i trust & like certain friends that much
  175. [06:30:38]  <+Ovid> i am not interested otherwise
  176. [06:31:07]  <mime>  Shake up with a cabin with and such and such and such.
  177. [06:32:01]  <mime>  What does it even mean?
  178. [06:32:23]  <+Ovid> i like to joke with fattratt about the guy’s blog otherwise
  179. [06:32:30]  <mime>  Where are you from, Ovid?
  180. [06:32:44]  <+Ovid> maybe i should play a big caching when i practice philosophy with her
  181. [06:32:55]  <+Ovid> ca-ching
  182. [06:32:57]  <mime>  Your English is terrible.
  183. [06:33:30]  <+Ovid> now now, no personal attacks
  184. [06:33:55]  <mime>  Listen, Ovid, lad.
  185. [06:34:05]  <mime>  Your English - it sucks.
  186. [06:34:05]  <+Ovid> lol
  187. [06:34:37] Attempting to rejoin channel in three seconds
  188. [06:34:37]  X kicked mime from the channel ((lakitu) personal attacks)
  189. [06:34:49]  mime (~mime@185.236.203.92) joined the channel
  190. [06:34:49] Topic is the liberal arts -- literature, art, music, history, philosophy build the human spirit
  191. [06:34:49] Set by JohnGuru on Today at 03:06:40 CET
  192. [06:34:51] Mode is +Rlnt 35
  193. [06:35:27]  <mime>  And this will be reported to JohnGuru.
  194. [06:36:11]  <+Ovid> thanks for bringing it up: i scored in 14th grade for comprehension, in wee elementary school. i scored a 99% on the state standards tests for reading,
  195. [06:36:16]  <+friida>   oh dear
  196. [06:36:18]  <+Ovid> as well as advanced language use
  197. [06:36:20]  <+friida>   johnguru!?
  198. [06:36:36]  <+friida>   them's fightin' words!
  199. [06:36:43]  <+friida>   ptu up yer dukes, mime!
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