MS PMs PB

[18:09]  * mantonSiberian [MS] began pestering pigBurner [PB]
[18:09] <mantonSiberian> Hey, PB?
[18:09] <pigBurner> hey
[18:09] <mantonSiberian> All good?
[18:09] <pigBurner> I'm gonna stay away from there for a bit
[18:09] <mantonSiberian> Might be a good idea
[18:09] <pigBurner> that, that was over the line
[18:09] <mantonSiberian> It was
[18:10] <mantonSiberian> ... Mum had a question she liked to ask, sometimes
[18:10] <mantonSiberian> I think it's the same one MR was talking about
[18:10] <mantonSiberian> Except with fewer nazis
[18:10] <pigBurner> about what
[18:10] <mantonSiberian> Alright
[18:10] <pigBurner> my head literally got fuzzy after all this shit
[18:11] <mantonSiberian> M'sorry
[18:11] <pigBurner> it's fine
[18:11] <mantonSiberian> Do you want me to say what the question was, or just leave you alone?
[18:11] <pigBurner> say it
[18:11] <mantonSiberian> Alright
[18:11] <pigBurner> at least you aren't trying to hammer down being a fucking nazi
[18:12] <mantonSiberian> Of course not
[18:12] <mantonSiberian> I just... like hypotheticals
[18:12] <mantonSiberian> Something Mum and I used to bond over a lot
[18:12] <mantonSiberian> Ethical dilemmas
[18:12] <pigBurner> ah
[18:12] <mantonSiberian> Basically, the question goes: There's a train, going down the track towards you
[18:12] <pigBurner> I guess agreeing over that can help you connect
[18:13] <mantonSiberian> No, but we disagree
[18:13] <mantonSiberian> Constantly
[18:13] <mantonSiberian> But it paves the way to *discussion*
[18:13] <mantonSiberian> And argument.  Lots of argument
[18:13] <mantonSiberian> Still something to think about, though
[18:13] <mantonSiberian> So anyway.  There's a switch next to the track, that can make it change between two different lanes the train can go down
[18:14] <mantonSiberian> The one it's set to right now has ten people, tied down on the rails
[18:14] <mantonSiberian> If you don't pull it, they all die
[18:15] <mantonSiberian> But on the other track, there's one more person tied down.
[18:15] <mantonSiberian> If you pull it, they die outright
[18:15] <mantonSiberian> So what do you do?
[18:15] <pigBurner> they?
[18:15] <mantonSiberian> The person
[18:15] <mantonSiberian> Singular they, sorry
[18:15] <mantonSiberian> He or she
[18:15] <pigBurner> that includes the rest of the train correct?
[18:15] <pigBurner> oh ok
[18:16] <pigBurner> is there another catch?
[18:16] <mantonSiberian> You can't do anything other than pull the switch, or leave it
[18:16] <pigBurner> greater good, whatever the cost
[18:16] <mantonSiberian> You either let ten people die, or kill one yourself
[18:17] <pigBurner> it's taking the blood to your hands, but like giving birth you can bring a life to the world
[18:17] <mantonSiberian> So you'd kill the single person?
[18:18] <pigBurner> to me it's worse taking the responsibility of inaction and taking 10 people becuase of it
[18:18] <pigBurner> no matter what you do, you are responsible there
[18:18] <pigBurner> negligence doesn't bring innosence
[18:18] <pigBurner> innocence
[18:18] <mantonSiberian> ... Would you be okay if I changed the circumstances slightly, to explain MR's nazi thing?
[18:19] <mantonSiberian> It's the same question, ten versus one, just in a more charged atmosphere
[18:20] <pigBurner> then you let it continue, always go for the greater good
[18:20] <pigBurner> when i said I rather be dead than with them I didn't mean I wouldn't go without a fight
[18:20] <mantonSiberian> So you still save the ten people?
[18:20] <pigBurner> yes
[18:21] <mantonSiberian> ... In MR's example, that equates to siding with the nazis instead of dying
[18:21] <mantonSiberian> Hear me out, please
[18:21] <mantonSiberian> I'm not calling you a nazi, I swear
[18:22] <mantonSiberian> The idea was, if you die instead of killing someone for them, then you're saving one life
[18:22] <mantonSiberian> But if you kill them so you can live, then you can spend the rest of your life saving more people
[18:22] <mantonSiberian> Does that make sense?
[18:22] <pigBurner> yes
[18:22] <pigBurner> I would still never help them in any way
[18:23] <mantonSiberian> Of course not
[18:23] <pigBurner> what I felt was saying help them to then sabotage them as well
[18:23] <mantonSiberian> That makes sense
[18:23] <pigBurner> and that, it just goes against all I believe
[18:24] <mantonSiberian> Of course it does
[18:25] <mantonSiberian> ... You do understand MR didn't mean any offense, right?
[18:25] <pigBurner> yeah...
[18:25] <mantonSiberian> Good
[18:25] <pigBurner> i guess i owe her an apology
[18:25] <mantonSiberian> Maybe
[18:26] <mantonSiberian> If I were you I'd maybe do it via PM, though
[18:26] <pigBurner> yeah
[18:26] <mantonSiberian> No reason to admit defeat in front of TB
[18:26] <pigBurner> that idiot? fuck him
[18:26] <mantonSiberian> I'd really rather not
[18:27] <mantonSiberian> No matter how much he begs
[18:27] <pigBurner> heh you know what i mean
[18:27] <mantonSiberian> I do
[18:27] <mantonSiberian> And, figuratively, I'm in full support
[18:28] <pigBurner> I'll be back in a bit, need some air
[18:28] <mantonSiberian> Take as much time as you need