TOM: This is Tom.
TOM DELANEY: Tom, Tom Delaney.
TOM: Hey Tom, what's up?
TOM DELANEY: Uh, got, got -- you've got a couple minutes?
TOM: Uh, yeah.
TOM DELANEY: This'll be quick.
TOM: OK


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TOM DELANEY: Just want to let you know how the board meeting went yesterday.
TOM: Okay.
TOM DELANEY: The issues of the TCA -
TOM: Uh huh
TOM DELANEY: Uh, we didn't lose those, we didn't win those, they're open so we're
gonna look for language to make that stronger.
TOM: OK.
TOM DELANEY: On the self tracking issue -
TOM: Yeah
TOM DELANEY: We won that one. Everyone can self track, we just have to get into
some details now. So what that means is that we might end up having a situation to
where if you wanted to move your output in real time over a generator -
TOM: Mm hm.
TOM DELANEY: - up to 20 - maybe, they'll probably be a cap, like 25 megawatts.
You can do it. Unilaterally. No phone calls. Just move it. So if you wanna buy or sell or
be on the money side of -- of imbalances, you think you can do it, you can do it. You
can also track -- track your loads in some pseudo sense so -
TOM: OK
TOM DELANEY: So that'll be a new market, whether you're in it or not, it's a market
you can play with.


1 TOM: OK, that's -- that's good.
TOM DELANEY: The other one - the ah, ten minute generation scheduling -
TOM: Yeah
TOM DELANEY: Uh, we won that one. So that one'll be -
TOM: Oh!
TOM DELANEY: -- wiped out. That nuisance thing will be gone.
TOM: That's good.
TOM DELANEY: Yeah. The other thing - oh, you know the scheduling issue? To
where you can change your scheduling [inaudible] congestion?
TOM: Yup.
TOM DELANEY: We won it.
TOM: Oh, really?
TOM DELANEY: That was huge.
TOM: Wow.
TOM DELANEY: It was a big, big fight.
TOM: That's amazing.
TOM DELANEY: A huge fight. And I convinced, um, the board that we had a
situation here between old world thinking, utility, you know stupid dog thinking and this
is, you know -
TOM: Right
TOM DELANEY: -- this is the mission of what an RTR should be doing. So the - the
- the - the thing was, the concern thrown back was whether or not all these things could
happen in a -in -- in the one hour adjustment period. And I convinced them that-that
hardware and software will drive this. So the language is a little soft in the sense that it
gets rid of the - the prohibition against not being able to change your schedule. What it
says is, is says that if -if the control center can do it, they should do it, but it gives them
the ability to say no, they can't because of constraints. So now we're working what the


1 constraints look like, but frankly I think the hardware and software will drive this and
make it just fine.
TOM: Hm, OK.
TOM DELANEY: But the prohibition's wiped out so you can change your schedule,
which is good, but that means if you have - if you have a 5,000 megawatt position and
you wanna change it --
TOM: Yeah
TOM DELANEY: -- you're willing to pay for re-dispatch -you're on.
TOM: Good
TOM DELANEY: All the way - a -- and that puts you T minus sixty minutes before
real time and you can change your schedule. And also if you want to change your
schedule again, you can because you can track your 1 -- loads in real time.
TOM: OK
TOM DELANEY: So, literally, I think I've put you in a situation to where you can be, I
mean, short or long in real time and be just fine.
TOM: Right. OK.
TOM DELANEY: And you can change your schedule so.
TOM: That's fantastic.
TOM DELANEY: Yeah, its huge. I don't know anywhere else that -- that's allowing
you to do this.
TOM: No, not really, not. [inaudible] So the utilities, ah, come on board with us, huh?
TOM DELANEY: Well, the utilities didn't want to, but I got -- I have a good working
relationship with most of the board members and you buy these guys drinks - and you
make, you - you - you make -- try to make this -- make it sound like sense.
TOM: Right
TOM DELANEY: And if you can -
TOM: Persuade 'em?


1 TOM DELANEY: Persuade 'em before you get there than these utilities just sound like
the whiners.
TOM: Right.
TOM DELANEY: So, they're pretty much on our side. They had to beat me up a little
bit in the meeting to make it sound like they weren't being my best friend.
TOM: [faughte?j
TOM DELANEY: I -- I took it just fine so - you know what this means? [simultaneous
talkinif I -- I feel really good about this.
TOM: Yeah, well [simultaneous!J talkinif
TOM DELANEY: What this means is --
TOM: [inaudible] fantastic.
TOM DELANEY: You can, um -- you know, you can go short in the market.
TOM: Yeah, or long.
TOM DELANEY: Now I'm gonna work on this bulletin board thing to where Jack
Davis has got to give you counter schedules, right?
TOM: Right
TOM DELANEY: OK, I think I've got everything. Right now as far as I'm concerned,
you guys owe me dinner.
TOM: [inaudible] ah, I would agree, I would agree. That sounds, uh, that sounds
fantastic.
TOM DELANEY: Yeah. I'm - I'm gonna -
TOM: Wow
TOM DELANEY: -- I'm gonna have a drink over this one.
TOM: No, I think you should. When does, uh -- so when do they, what's the -- what's
the like the - the date of this thing? The b -- best case scenario?
TOM DELANEY: Well, um, we have a schedule that basically says filing deferred
March 31. I will guarantee you that that date won't be slipped.
TOM: OK.


1 TOM DELANEY: I mean, its just -- these board members are so hostile towards
anything that, that looks like a delay -
TOM: OK
TOM DELANEY: -- and they're c -- incredibly hostile towards it. Um, you need for it
to do 60 days of gyrating, right? But if they come back say in -- around May saying OK,
you're, you're operational, you have funding, we -we approve, we will already have the
RFP back by then.
TOM: Mm hm.
TOM DELANEY: OK? And so it's as long at it takes the vendors to get the hardware
and software and we're still shooting for the end of the year, but my personal feeling is
it'll probably end up being three months past that so I think we're talking um, a year past
the filing date.
TOM: A year past the filing date?
TOM DELANEY: It'll be operational.
TOM: OK
TOM DELANEY: That's - they're still gonna shoot for end of year and, and, that -
and - and you know what? They might make it 'cause it's not a green field, we're using a
lot of the existing systems and -
TOM: Sure, sure
TOM DELANEY: So we might -we might make it just fine, it just depends how fast
[inaudible] it can come back, but we're doing a lot of things in parallel, Ii-- such as the
RFP. It'll be close, but if it -if it ain't end of year, they'll delay it a few months
TOM: Right