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  1. [12:31:03] <|343373|> Its your choice to either try understand it and take the following seriouesly or not.
  2. [12:31:03] <|343373|> First of all you need to find the pattern in the first magic square, then see how its applied
  3. [12:31:03] <|343373|> to the original 17, then you use the one of original 16.jpg for the first 15 pages of 0-57
  4. [12:31:03] <|343373|> The magic square gives you the direction(aswell as part of the patterns to follow)
  5. [12:31:03] <|343373|> For example:
  6. [12:31:03] <|343373|> 2 3 8 5 7
  7. [12:31:05] <|343373|> 6 1 4 5 9
  8. [12:31:07] <|343373|> 1 2 1 2 1
  9. [12:31:09] <|343373|> 9 5 4 1 6
  10. [12:31:11] <|343373|> 7 5 8 3 2
  11. [12:31:13] <|343373|> is the first magic square simplified...(mod9 into our base10 numbers)
  12. [12:31:15] <|343373|> but thats only to find the simplified pattern, its not in mod9, mod9 allows you to find it and
  13. [12:31:17] <|343373|> confirm that its right, also to find how the pattern works
  14. [12:31:20] <|343373|> The part of the pattern that follows there is 4 8 3 7 2 6 1 5
  15. [12:31:21] <|343373|> Heres an example:
  16. [12:31:24] <|343373|> 2 3 8 5 7 2 3 8 5 7
  17. [12:31:25] <|343373|> 6 1 4 5 9 6 1 4 5 9
  18. [12:31:30] <|343373|> 1 2 1 2 1 1 2 1 2 1
  19. [12:31:31] <|343373|> 9 5 4 1 6 9 5 4 1 6
  20. [12:31:33] <|343373|> 7 5 8 3 2 7 5 8 3 2
  21. [12:31:35] <|343373|> 2 3 8 5 7 2 3 8 5 7
  22. [12:31:37] <|343373|> 6 1 4 5 9 6 1 4 5 9
  23. [12:31:39] <|343373|> 1 2 1 2 1 1 2 1 2 1
  24. [12:31:41] <|343373|> 9 5 4 1 6 9 5 4 1 6
  25. [12:31:43] <|343373|> 7 5 8 3 2 7 5 8 3 2
  26. [12:31:45] <|343373|> Or
  27. [12:31:47] <|343373|> 2 3 8 5 7 | 2 3 8 5 7
  28. [12:31:49] <|343373|> 6 1 4 5 9 | 6 1 4 5 9
  29. [12:31:51] <|343373|> 1 2 1 2 1 | 1 2 1 2 1
  30. [12:31:53] <|343373|> 9 5 4 1 6 | 9 5 4 1 6
  31. [12:31:55] <|343373|> 7 5 8 3 2 | 7 5 8 3 2
  32. [12:31:59] <|343373|> ----------+----------
  33. [12:32:01] <|343373|> 2 3 8 5 7 | 2 3 8 5 7
  34. [12:32:03] <|343373|> 6 1 4 5 9 | 6 1 4 5 9
  35. [12:32:05] <|343373|> 1 2 1 2 1 | 1 2 1 2 1
  36. [12:32:07] <|343373|> 9 5 4 1 6 | 9 5 4 1 6
  37. [12:32:09] <|343373|> 7 5 8 3 2 | 7 5 8 3 2
  38. [12:32:11] <|343373|> So for example:
  39. [12:32:13] <|343373|> 2 3 8 5 7 2 3 8 5 7
  40. [12:32:15] <|343373|> 6 1 4 5 9 6 1 4 5 9
  41. [12:32:17] <|343373|> 1 2 1 2 1 1 2 1 2 1
  42. [12:32:19] <|343373|> 9 5 (4) 1 6 9 5 4 1 6
  43. [12:32:21] <|343373|> 7 5 (8)(3) 2 7 5 8 3 2
  44. [12:32:23] <|343373|> 2 3 8 5 (7)(2) 3 8 5 7
  45. [12:32:25] <|343373|> 6 1 4 5 9 (6) 1 4 5 9
  46. [12:32:29] <|343373|> 1 2 1 2 1 (1) 2 1 2 1
  47. [12:32:31] <|343373|> 9 5 4 1 6 9 (5) 4 1 6
  48. [12:32:33] <|343373|> 7 5 8 3 2 7 5 8 3 2
  49. [12:32:35] <|343373|> On 1 square it could be:
  50. [12:32:37] <|343373|> (2) 3 8 5 (7)
  51. [12:32:39] <|343373|> (6) 1 4 5 9
  52. [12:32:41] <|343373|> (1) 2 1 2 1
  53. [12:32:43] <|343373|> 9 (5)(4) 1 6
  54. [12:32:45] <|343373|> 7 5 (8)(3) 2
  55. [12:32:47] <|343373|> Those are just examples, It is not an actual 100% answer that you can use without figuring out
  56. [12:32:49] <|343373|> how it works yourself.
  57. [12:32:51] <|343373|> Also, the first magic square is related to what happens in original 17,
  58. [12:32:53] <|343373|> The first magic square is 1033, the 2nd magic square is 3301, so its not hard to guess what
  59. [12:32:55] <|343373|> happens to pattern(whats the pattern supposed to be) in the 2nd magic square.
  60. [12:32:59] <|343373|> 2nd magic square is used to solve 0-14.jpg of the 0-57.jpg
  61. [12:34:26] <Lurker69> hmm
  62. [12:35:12] <cs314> |343373|: pastebin
  63. [12:35:29] <Lurker69> >but thats only to find the simplified pattern, its not in mod9, mod9 allows you to find it and confirm that its right, also to find how the pattern works
  64. [12:35:55] <Lurker69> so i guess check mod29 numbers on those positions
  65. [12:35:57] <Lurker69> brb
  66. [12:36:39] <brotherBox> nigger you are fucking insane are you
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  71. [12:52:01] <Lurker69> (11) 22 22 15 (6)
  72. [12:52:01] <Lurker69> (18) 25 14 1 18
  73. [12:52:01] <Lurker69> (23) 13 4 13 23
  74. [12:52:01] <Lurker69> 18 (1)(14) 25 18
  75. [12:52:01] <Lurker69> 6 15 (22)(22) 11
  76. [12:52:08] <Lurker69> same mag square in mod29
  77. [13:01:00] <Lurker69> http://pastebin.com/iuasc21L here is pastebin of both 343373s proofs/hints
  78. [13:01:01] <TaiiwoBot> ^ |343373|s clues towards solution of Cicada 3301 Liber Primus - Pastebin.com ^
  79. [13:01:02] <harvester> ^ Archived file(s): iuasc21L ^
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  96. [15:30:03] <manuzinea> heyyy
  97. [15:36:22] <|343373|> Oh lurker you can add this into the pastebin : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Repeating_decimal
  98. [15:36:24] <TaiiwoBot> ^ Repeating decimal - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ^
  99. [15:42:10] <Lurker69> |343373|: will do, ill put that pastebin on my account so i can edit it
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  101. [15:44:49] <Lurker69> http://pastebin.com/85KtHzua ok here is collection of 343373s public hints/proofs
  102. [15:44:50] <harvester> ^ Archived file(s): 85KtHzua ^
  103. [15:44:50] <TaiiwoBot> ^ SHARE TWEET |343373|s clues towards solution of Cicada 3301 - Pastebin.com ^
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  112. [16:28:17] <Lurker69> |343373|: i am having serious problems with finding /7 pattern in 2nd set of runes on page 56
  113. [16:28:19] <Lurker69> http://prntscr.com/bryzoq
  114. [16:28:20] <harvester> ^ Archived file(s): 88bd052941fd4d058b9a2e4ac15fc2a2 ^
  115. [16:28:31] <Lurker69> andi have a lot of questions
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  117. [16:30:00] <Lurker69> why is 6 missing in first set? (1)94(6)|1|832(7)159 I know you said it is not missing but i still dont see it betweeen 2 and 1 where it should be
  118. [16:31:38] <Lurker69> why are there 1 6 and 6 in () and 1 in || in first set, am i supposed to find same numbers in second set and dont include them in /7 pattern?
  119. [16:32:12] <Lurker69> my up down pattern for second set looks like
  120. [16:32:38] <Lurker69> ^ ^ v ^ and^ vandv vand^ ? v ^ ^ ^
  121. [16:33:30] <Lurker69> while one you stretched (rules not pattern) was
  122. [16:33:32] <Lurker69> ^ v* and ^* ^ ^ and v v and ^ ^ and v v v and ^ v and v ...
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  124. [16:35:14] <Lurker69> ^ ^andv ^ ^ and v v and ^ ^ and v v v and ^ v and v ... or that afer you said its 17^12v (8 3) not 12v17^(3 8)
  125. [16:37:38] <Lurker69> and whats with those repetitions of 1 and 1,6,7; i get that where you have 'o' at repetions you get (n) or |n| in pattern, and n is then not part of pattern, but i have no idea how you determine where 'o' is, its not on every 1 6 and 7
  126. [16:38:01] <|343373|> 4^ 8^/3v 23^29 ^2 21v12^ 14
  127. [16:38:07] <|343373|> sec
  128. [16:38:13] <|343373|> i didnt type fully
  129. [16:39:53] <Lurker69> http://prntscr.com/brz564 here in Patterns line first 7 has 8 in Rep line, while second 7 has o in Rep line
  130. [16:39:54] <harvester> ^ Archived file(s): b20345fda94a4328bf6ec1bba7cf6bd7 ^
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  132. [16:40:31] <sudosysgen> Hello
  133. [16:40:36] <|343373|> 4^ 8^/3v 23^29 ^2 21v12^ (14^20^) (^24) (^1/28v) ...
  134. [16:40:48] <sudosysgen> What?
  135. [16:42:35] <Lurker69> sudosysgen: http://pastebin.com/sALZSyrP
  136. [16:42:35] <TaiiwoBot> ^ <Lurker69> http://pastebin.com/85KtHzua ok here is collection of 343373s public - Pastebin.com ^
  137. [16:42:35] <harvester> ^ Archived file(s): sALZSyrP ^
  138. [16:42:36] <harvester> ^ Archived file(s): 85KtHzua ^
  139. [16:43:02] <|343373|> 13^ 17^/12v 23^29 ^2 21v12^ (14^20^) (^24) (^1/28v) ...
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  141. [16:45:00] <sudosysgen> Well that truly is interesting
  142. [16:45:02] <Dethmasque> flim flam i was flabbin a blam
  143. [16:48:00] <sudosysgen> So all of this is about page 56 right
  144. [16:52:53] <Lurker69> yeah
  145. [16:53:16] <sudosysgen> Lurker69: I'll try to understand
  146. [16:53:46] <Lurker69> well not second part of http://pastebin.com/85KtHzua, thats about first magic square from page 3 that is supposed to be key for first 17 already solved pages
  147. [16:53:46] <harvester> ^ Archived file(s): 85KtHzua ^
  148. [16:54:19] <sudosysgen> So the pages have two meanings?
  149. [16:54:21] <|343373|> 13^ 17^/12v 23^29 ^2 21v12^ (14^20^) (^24) (^1/28v) 20v16^ 14v ...
  150. [16:54:39] <Lurker69> those things about page 56 should be connected to magic square on page 16
  151. [16:54:49] <|343373|> Lurker did you get it?
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  153. [16:55:21] <Lurker69> sudosysgen: not two meanings, 34 claims that there are two ways to decrypt first 17 pages, our way (not correct way) and his way (pattern approach)
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  155. [16:55:54] <sudosysgen> Lurker69: Huh. And his way is supposed to work in other pages right?
  156. [16:56:14] <sudosysgen> Or at least his approach to finding his way
  157. [16:56:32] <|343373|> 1 12 12 1 12 12 1 12 12 1 in this set and a 761, also 9 5 instead of 5 9
  158. [16:56:53] <Lurker69> |343373|: i am working on it http://prntscr.com/brzdx7
  159. [16:56:54] <harvester> ^ Archived file(s): bf4beb7637f44eb58a001eee6c588d4b ^
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  162. [16:57:34] <|343373|> by 12 i mean n?/n? or n?n?
  163. [16:57:45] <|343373|> by 1 just n?
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  165. [16:59:51] <sudosysgen> In the pastebin, there is a line where you talk about the 'Rep of 1'
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  168. [17:00:49] <Lurker69> yeah
  169. [17:00:49] <sudosysgen> what is the logic behind finding it
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  173. [17:01:01] <Lurker69> o 1 2 3 o 1 2 3 4 o 1 2 3 ... Rep of 1
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  175. [17:01:12] <Lurker69> i dont know yet whats logic behind it
  176. [17:01:17] <sudosysgen> Yeah
  177. [17:01:30] <sudosysgen> Seems to be the count of the letters of each word in some places
  178. [17:01:36] <sudosysgen> But it doesn't line up
  179. [17:01:47] <sudosysgen> Oh it does
  180. [17:01:54] <Lurker69> it seems taht it influences line with patterns, o in Rep line has () or || in Patterns line
  181. [17:01:54] <sudosysgen> If you shift it it does
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  183. [17:02:21] <sudosysgen> Lurker69: I am talking about 'Rep of 1'
  184. [17:02:31] <sudosysgen> Not about Rep of 167
  185. [17:02:43] <sudosysgen> Wait yeah
  186. [17:02:49] <sudosysgen> ignore what I just said
  187. [17:03:03] <Lurker69> no you are right
  188. [17:03:31] <sudosysgen> So it seems that Rep of 1 is the count of the runes relative to each word
  189. [17:03:53] <sudosysgen> but shifted as if there is a point before the first rune
  190. [17:03:55] <Lurker69> rep of 1 has three 'o's, 2 of them are above (1) and |1| third is above 1 in Patterns
  191. [17:04:20] <sudosysgen> Yeah wait I minut while I transcribe it
  192. [17:04:56] <sudosysgen> Altough I have a question for you |343373|
  193. [17:05:13] <sudosysgen> What brings you to know that your method is the right one while ours is incorrect
  194. [17:05:29] <Lurker69> 'reasons'
  195. [17:05:36] <sudosysgen> Yeah exactly
  196. [17:05:59] <sudosysgen> Anyways I will try to understand by simple curiosity, and maybe I will understand why it is superior
  197. [17:06:19] <Lurker69> he claims he solved LP. and is far ahead and has access to some onion page where are rules about clues he is allowed to give us... long story, and he isnt gonna provide any proves that it is true
  198. [17:06:36] <sudosysgen> Lurker69: Well then, let's find out
  199. [17:06:49] <sudosysgen> But if the Liber Primus truly has two encodings
  200. [17:06:53] <Lurker69> sudosysgen: i am trying to do that for a month
  201. [17:06:55] <sudosysgen> Well played cicada
  202. [17:07:03] <sudosysgen> Well played
  203. [17:07:20] <sudosysgen> Lurker69: I'll join you
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  205. [17:08:59] <Lurker69> sudosysgen: its long path that starts somewhere there: https://archive.4plebs.org/x/thread/17600669/#17613881
  206. [17:13:41] <sudosysgen> 7/7 = 1 doesn't it
  207. [17:14:01] <sudosysgen> I don't understand what brings you from this post to cicada3301, Lurker69
  208. [17:15:00] <Lurker69> those links are also part of same thing https://archive.4plebs.org/x/thread/17561815/#17564188 http://archive.4plebs.org/x/thread/17688885/#17690822 http://archive.4plebs.org/x/thread/17660686/#17665990
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  210. [17:15:34] <Lurker69> 7/7 is relevant to /7 pattern (Pattern of /7=948372615)
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  212. [17:16:30] <Lurker69> fu-xi and 343373 came out with this 7/7 thing https://7a35090f.io/topic/16/irc-cicadasolvers-08-05-2016-user-fu-xi
  213. [17:16:31] <sudosysgen> Oh
  214. [17:16:32] <TaiiwoBot> ^ IRC - #cicadasolvers - 08.05.2016: User Fu-Xi | 7A35090F https://tinyurl.com/gvy6z6l ^
  215. [17:16:51] <Lurker69> that /7 pattern is made out of Digital roots
  216. [17:17:03] <sudosysgen> You mean that when you divide by 7 in base10, the pattern of the decimals is 948372615
  217. [17:17:05] <Lurker69> Dr 1/7 Dr2/7 Dr3/7 ..... Dr 9/7
  218. [17:17:17] <sudosysgen> What is Dr?
  219. [17:17:20] <Lurker69> and result is 948372615
  220. [17:17:32] <sudosysgen> Oh digital roots
  221. [17:17:38] <Lurker69> on 7th place, Dr 7/7 = 6
  222. [17:17:57] <Lurker69> yeah digital root, or mod9 (in base 10) or just adding digits togather
  223. [17:17:58] <brotherBox> i promise you, whatever he's trying to say you could say simpler
  224. [17:18:10] <sudosysgen> brotherBox: Seems so but
  225. [17:18:32] <Lurker69> he is misterious motherfucker, and there is no proof that he isnt just trolling
  226. [17:18:32] <sudosysgen> Sometimes you need to be more complicated in order to communicate more than meets the eye
  227. [17:18:49] <sudosysgen> Lurker69: Anyways if his method works then he isn't trolling
  228. [17:19:05] <brotherBox> sudosysgen: almost never
  229. [17:19:06] <sudosysgen> We don't have naything else to do, do we?
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  231. [17:19:21] <sudosysgen> brotherBox: If you want to prepare someone then yes
  232. [17:19:26] <Lurker69> sudosysgen: true, but so far i havent figured how his method works
  233. [17:19:31] <brotherBox> especially that up/down terminology seems meaningless to me
  234. [17:19:48] <sudosysgen> brotherBox: And if he wants us to solve the Liber Primus then yes
  235. [17:20:49] <sudosysgen> the up down terminology is from the shift isn't it
  236. [17:20:59] <sudosysgen> How des he figure out what the shift is?
  237. [17:21:50] <sudosysgen> (1^) 27v 4^ (6^) 10^/19v 17v/12^ 16^ 11v (7v) 1v 1^22v 18v ... Shift
  238. [17:21:58] <sudosysgen> what is the logic behind this fuckery
  239. [17:22:45] <Lurker69> sometimes you have ^/v under one rune which means that both shifts are counted
  240. [17:22:58] <sudosysgen> Lurker69: What is a shift anyways
  241. [17:23:12] <Lurker69> sometimes you have ^ and v across two runes which means you have to add shifts of those two runes togather
  242. [17:23:29] <sudosysgen> Lurker69: Yes but what is a shift
  243. [17:23:40] <Lurker69> shift is how much you move in geamtri from ciphered rune to unciphered rune
  244. [17:23:45] <sudosysgen> Oh right
  245. [17:23:48] <sudosysgen> silly me
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  247. [17:24:36] <cs7709> wed
  248. [17:24:42] <sudosysgen> hi cs7709
  249. [17:25:12] <sudosysgen> Well then here is the answer of 7/7 right
  250. [17:25:38] <sudosysgen> 7 divided by 7 is 1
  251. [17:25:45] <sudosysgen> and 1(mod9) is
  252. [17:25:59] <Lurker69> Dr 7/7=6 (in prime division) and Dr 7/7=1 (in non prime division) non/prime division is term only he is uisng
  253. [17:27:13] <sudosysgen> Lurker69: What is prime division?
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  255. [17:27:20] <sudosysgen> Google doesn't seem to know
  256. [17:27:39] <Lurker69> 1/7=9 becasue 7 is full reptend prime, meaning that decimals repeting are ptime-1 period long
  257. [17:28:20] <Lurker69> prime divsion is among many other term that only 34 is using, he has alot of theory that google or conventional math doesnt know anything about
  258. [17:28:38] <sudosysgen> And he is the one behind it
  259. [17:28:47] <sudosysgen> And yet I do not understand his concept
  260. [17:29:06] <Lurker69> anyway 1/7= 0.142857 142857 142857 142857...
  261. [17:29:16] <Lurker69> Dr 142857 = 9
  262. [17:29:17] <sudosysgen> Yeah I understand that
  263. [17:29:26] <sudosysgen> So 1/7 is 9
  264. [17:29:36] <sudosysgen> In his crooked division
  265. [17:29:44] <Lurker69> and 142857 is cyclic number, meaning that when you multiply it with 1-6 digits stay the same they just change places
  266. [17:30:14] <sudosysgen> Right
  267. [17:30:31] <sudosysgen> So his 'prime division' is actually just :
  268. [17:30:35] <Desprit> 1-6 cuz /n-1
  269. [17:30:43] <Lurker69> 2/7= 0.2857 142857 142857.... you truncate 142857... away (you can do this only beacuse 7 is full reptend)
  270. [17:30:57] <Desprit> repetition is also 6 digits long
  271. [17:31:07] <sudosysgen> Desprit: Yes
  272. [17:31:12] <Lurker69> Dr 2857= 4
  273. [17:31:23] <sudosysgen> So 2/7 = 4
  274. [17:31:42] <sudosysgen> So you basically do normal division
  275. [17:31:54] <Lurker69> yes ynad if you do same trick for all n/7 you get full pattern 948372615
  276. [17:32:06] <sudosysgen> If add them together?
  277. [17:32:08] <Lurker69> but at 7/7 it doesnt work
  278. [17:32:18] <sudosysgen> Yes it does
  279. [17:32:27] <Lurker69> you have to 'go' to next cycle and do 16/7
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  281. [17:32:57] <sudosysgen> The digital root of 7/7 is 1
  282. [17:33:06] <sudosysgen> It works just as well
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  284. [17:33:14] <sudosysgen> the results are simply unexpected
  285. [17:33:32] <Desprit> lol
  286. [17:33:33] <sudosysgen> Lurker69: What brings you to think that 7/7 is some sort of exception?
  287. [17:33:43] <Lurker69> ill explain
  288. [17:33:45] <Desprit> simple math
  289. [17:33:50] <sudosysgen> Go on
  290. [17:34:29] <Lurker69> non prime pattern for /7 is 483726159 prime pattern for /7 is 948372615 (difference is only in position of 9
  291. [17:34:42] <sudosysgen> right
  292. [17:35:45] <Lurker69> its important with what number you start the pattern, since 7 is full reptend we can do that trunctuation trick and get digital roots of number with never ending decimals
  293. [17:36:23] <Lurker69> if you do that 142857 truntuation you get pattern 948372(1)15
  294. [17:36:34] <Lurker69> (1) beacuase you ger 7/7=1 there
  295. [17:36:41] <sudosysgen> Yes
  296. [17:37:00] <sudosysgen> Which is not 483726159 with the 9 shifted at the start right
  297. [17:37:35] <Lurker69> yeah (1) doesnt fit
  298. [17:37:45] <Lurker69> this is what he told me why
  299. [17:37:46] <Lurker69> [19:45.53] <|343373|> use 16 instead of 7 when you do 7/7
  300. [17:37:59] <Lurker69> 16/7=2.2857142857...
  301. [17:38:05] <cs7709> http://www.70x7.com/70x7meaning.htm
  302. [17:38:05] <TaiiwoBot> ^ The meaning of Seventy Times Seven ^
  303. [17:38:25] <Lurker69> Dr 2.2857 = 6
  304. [17:38:44] <sudosysgen> Yes
  305. [17:39:02] <Lurker69> You can do that beacuse Dr16 = Dr 7 = 7, they are both on same position in cylce
  306. [17:39:21] <Lurker69> same as 25, 34, 43, 52, 61, 70
  307. [17:39:47] <Desprit> do 1/25
  308. [17:39:56] <cs7709> Jesus answered, "I tell you, not seven times, but seventy-seven times.
  309. [17:39:58] <sudosysgen> So if two numbers have the same Digital root then the result of the prime division is the same
  310. [17:40:03] <sudosysgen> because
  311. [17:40:38] <sudosysgen> wait a minute
  312. [17:40:48] <Lurker69> yeah not only prime division, normal division and multiplication too
  313. [17:41:01] <Lurker69> that is one of neat properties of digitall roots
  314. [17:41:03] <sudosysgen> Lurker69: You mean their pattern is the same
  315. [17:41:11] <Lurker69> Dr 9*n = Dr n
  316. [17:41:23] <sudosysgen> Yeah of course
  317. [17:41:29] <sudosysgen> because Dr = mod9
  318. [17:41:30] <Lurker69> yeah pattern of /7 /61 /16 /52 are all the same
  319. [17:41:40] <sudosysgen> Because they have the same mod9 right
  320. [17:41:55] <Lurker69> but only /7 has prime divison pattern, other have only normal division one
  321. [17:42:04] <sudosysgen> huh
  322. [17:42:16] <sudosysgen> Because 7 is a full reptend prime right
  323. [17:42:26] <Lurker69> prime divison pattern is possible only with full reptend primes (and half full reptend primes when tehy are emirps)
  324. [17:42:35] <Lurker69> and prime divison pattern always starts with 9
  325. [17:42:56] <sudosysgen> and that the division of a full reptend prime by a number of witch mod(n) does not give
  326. [17:42:59] <sudosysgen> 0
  327. [17:43:12] <sudosysgen> Always gives a cyclical number
  328. [17:43:13] <Lurker69> /61 is same as /7 since both are full reptend primes
  329. [17:43:16] <sudosysgen> Yes
  330. [17:43:28] <sudosysgen> And they both have the same mod9 or digital root
  331. [17:43:37] <Lurker69> yeah
  332. [17:43:51] <sudosysgen> Do all full reptend prime have the same mod9
  333. [17:43:54] <sudosysgen> Wait
  334. [17:43:56] <sudosysgen> yes they do
  335. [17:44:18] <sudosysgen> in base10 because there is only 1 cyclical number in base10
  336. [17:44:24] <Lurker69> yes all cycli9cal numbers have mod9 = 9 (i am not sure why but they do)
  337. [17:44:25] <Desprit> no
  338. [17:44:38] <sudosysgen> Desprit: ?
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  340. [17:44:53] <sudosysgen> Lurker69: Because there is only one cyclical number
  341. [17:44:58] <sudosysgen> That is the reason
  342. [17:45:03] <sudosysgen> in base 10
  343. [17:45:11] <Lurker69> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cyclic_number
  344. [17:45:12] <TaiiwoBot> ^ Cyclic number - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ^
  345. [17:45:13] <sudosysgen> Unless you allow padding with zeroes
  346. [17:45:45] <Lurker69> 0588235294117647 052631578947368421 0434782608695652173913.. .are all cyclical
  347. [17:46:01] <sudosysgen> Lurker69: That is because you allow padding with zeroes
  348. [17:46:28] <Desprit> full repentant primes do not have the same dr
  349. [17:46:52] <sudosysgen> Desprit: Example?
  350. [17:47:22] <Lurker69> full reptend primes no, but Dr 1/(full reptend prime) is always 9 in prime division
  351. [17:47:29] <Desprit> 17 19 23 29
  352. [17:47:39] <Desprit> 953
  353. [17:47:43] <sudosysgen> Desprit: But that is not the important part
  354. [17:47:48] <sudosysgen> Oh wait
  355. [17:47:52] <sudosysgen> yeah you are right
  356. [17:48:13] <Desprit> lurker is roght
  357. [17:48:16] <Desprit> right
  358. [17:48:26] <sudosysgen> Which doesn't change that every division with a reptend number will give a variant of the cyclical number
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  361. [17:49:12] <sudosysgen> Desprit: Crash?
  362. [17:49:24] <Desprit> No.
  363. [17:49:33] <sudosysgen> Oh you changed devices
  364. [17:49:37] <sudosysgen> Silly me
  365. [17:49:37] <Desprit> y
  366. [17:49:41] <Desprit> ^^'
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  368. [17:51:12] <sudosysgen> Another neat thing with the Digital roots
  369. [17:51:30] <sudosysgen> The way to find a Dr in a ny given base
  370. [17:51:51] <sudosysgen> is to do mod(base-1)
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  372. [17:52:02] <sudosysgen> Neat
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  374. [17:52:40] <sudosysgen> Well then
  375. [17:53:15] <sudosysgen> And what I understand is the prime division works only if you divide using a full reptend number
  376. [17:53:22] <sudosysgen> right
  377. [17:54:19] <sudosysgen> Lurker69: What are those links you said were the start?
  378. [17:54:26] <sudosysgen> I can't see them anymore
  379. [17:54:46] <Lurker69> this were first metnions of 7/7=? i can find on net
  380. [17:54:58] <sudosysgen> Lurker69: Huh
  381. [17:54:59] <Lurker69> <Lurker69> those links are also part of same thing https://archive.4plebs.org/x/thread/17561815/#17564188 http://archive.4plebs.org/x/thread/17688885/#17690822 http://archive.4plebs.org/x/thread/17660686/#17665990
  382. [17:55:21] <Lurker69> he/they started with this pattern approach in april
  383. [17:55:48] <Lurker69> https://7a35090f.io/topic/16/irc-cicadasolvers-08-05-2016-user-fu-xi this is from #solvers
  384. [17:55:50] <TaiiwoBot> ^ IRC - #cicadasolvers - 08.05.2016: User Fu-Xi | 7A35090F https://tinyurl.com/gvy6z6l ^
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  386. [17:56:30] <sxnwlfkk> weechat
  387. [17:57:08] <-> crashd3mons is now known as crashdemons
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  389. [17:58:35] *** Mode #cicadasolvers +o cluosh by ChanServ
  390. [17:59:15] <Lurker69> yeah sudosysgen, if you plan to stay on IRC for longer start thinking about getting IRC client
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  392. [17:59:35] <Lurker69> or bouncer, i think CrAzYPiLoT uses one
  393. [17:59:48] <Desprit> Why?
  394. [17:59:54] <Lurker69> https://bnc.fnordserver.net/
  395. [17:59:55] <TaiiwoBot> ^ ZNC - Web Frontend ^
  396. [18:00:03] <Lurker69> this one looks free
  397. [18:00:31] <Lurker69> Desprit: why? its more stable than webchat and you have logs
  398. [18:00:43] <sudosysgen> Lurker69: Yeah I have weechat now
  399. [18:00:55] <Desprit> http://www.mirc.com/
  400. [18:00:56] <TaiiwoBot> ^ mIRC: Internet Relay Chat client ^
  401. [18:01:08] <Desprit> I used this one 15 years ago
  402. [18:01:15] <Desprit> when i was hitting on girls through IRC
  403. [18:01:21] <sudosysgen> Desprit: lol
  404. [18:01:26] <sudosysgen> >hitting on girls
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  406. [18:01:28] <sudosysgen> >IRC
  407. [18:01:28] <Lurker69> yeah but i think it bothers you with "please pay for me " now
  408. [18:01:34] <onon> the usmil uses mirc too
  409. [18:01:42] <sudosysgen> Lurker69: I use weechat you know
  410. [18:01:47] <|343373|> back, what did I miss?
  411. [18:02:07] <sudosysgen> |343373|: Pointless discussion about the properties of prime division
  412. [18:02:16] <Desprit> It's paid ?! lol
  413. [18:02:17] <Lurker69> |343373|: we are trying to explain sudosysgen how patterns work
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  415. [18:02:24] <sudosysgen> Yeah cause i'm dumb
  416. [18:02:49] <sudosysgen> Ok you know what
  417. [18:02:57] <sudosysgen> I found how to access the whole of the chat
  418. [18:02:59] <sudosysgen> sorry
  419. [18:03:18] <sudosysgen> So
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  421. [18:03:34] <sudosysgen> Lurker69: Why can you remove cyclical numbers from the prime division?
  422. [18:03:43] <sudosysgen> When you do 2/7 for example
  423. [18:04:10] <Lurker69> sudosysgen: anyway, similar to /7 patterns you have different patterns for every digit diviosion /1 /2 /3 /4 /5 /6 /7 /8 /9 and even multiplication n*1 n*2 n*3.... n*9
  424. [18:04:29] <sudosysgen> Lurker69: Yes I understand that
  425. [18:04:40] <sudosysgen> And also for a single digit of an exponent
  426. [18:04:45] <Lurker69> why we can cut decimals after first occurance of cyclical number? idk, i was told you can do it
  427. [18:05:21] <sudosysgen> |343373|: Why can we truncate at the first occurence of a cyclical number?
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  429. [18:07:06] <sudosysgen> Lurker69: Well doing something just because it was said so is kind of a problem for figuring out properties
  430. [18:07:16] <sudosysgen> Anyways
  431. [18:07:22] <|343373|> because 0.(9)(9)(9)(9)(9)(9)(9)....., (9) being a complete full set which repeats infinitly, remove 1 or cut its tail and nothing changes other than its being infinite
  432. [18:07:34] <Lurker69> yeah you are right, verify everything
  433. [18:07:40] <|343373|> I think thats what he was asking
  434. [18:07:43] <|343373|> they*
  435. [18:08:11] <sudosysgen> |343373|: Right. But that is a different case because the series that is .99999... averages to 1
  436. [18:08:22] <sudosysgen> |343373|: Or rather, goes to 1
  437. [18:08:42] <|343373|> it doesnt, (9) can be "1" because its a complete set
  438. [18:08:59] <sudosysgen> But by truncating at the sight of cyclical number is different
  439. [18:09:13] <sudosysgen> Because you remove an infinite number of digits
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  441. [18:09:51] <|343373|> 10 = 0(9) if you look at its nature, not just count complete "1"s (which then its not equal)
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  443. [18:10:15] <sudosysgen> 10 = 0.9999.. yes
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  445. [18:10:34] <sudosysgen> but 10 != 0.9999
  446. [18:10:35] <Desprit> 1.0
  447. [18:10:48] <|343373|> 0.(9) = 1[OR (9)].0
  448. [18:10:49] <sudosysgen> Desprit: Even then
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  450. [18:11:03] <|343373|> 1 set of (9)
  451. [18:11:10] <sudosysgen> |343373|: I understand what you mean
  452. [18:11:34] <sudosysgen> But If i were to remove that infinite set of 9 and replace if by a finite set of 9s
  453. [18:11:43] <sudosysgen> then it wouldn't be equal to 1 awnymore
  454. [18:12:02] <Desprit> its not about the amount of 9s
  455. [18:12:11] <sudosysgen> Desprit: ?
  456. [18:12:17] <|343373|> 0.9999... *2 = 1.9999...8, 8 is cut off the infinity and dedicated to "1".9999... and is its 8 unused digits, while 0.9999... is the 2nd set of 1.9999... making it 2
  457. [18:12:53] <sudosysgen> |343373|: Yes
  458. [18:13:23] <sudosysgen> |343373|: But if I was to say 0.1299999999... = 0.13 I would be right
  459. [18:13:40] <sudosysgen> Where as If I was to say 0.129999 = 0.13 I wouldn't
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  461. [18:13:56] <|343373|> do 0.9999.... *2 = 0.999....8 or do 0.9999 *2 = 1.9998 the nature of it stays the same
  462. [18:14:11] <Lurker69> sudosysgen: here is some 'proof' that 1/prime is 9, i found in some math journal http://imgur.com/3V7Omxs, i am not 100% sure he is right on every statement (Dr 1/5=/=0 as he claims) but seems to pint in right direction
  463. [18:14:12] <TaiiwoBot> ^ Imgur: The most awesome images on the Internet ^
  464. [18:14:13] <harvester> ^ Archived file(s): 3V7Omxs ^
  465. [18:14:54] <sudosysgen> |343373|: What I fail to comprehend is how this example means anything to the truncating of a repeating number
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  467. [18:15:13] <sudosysgen> 0.9999... * 2 = 1.9999999...8 = 2
  468. [18:15:27] <sudosysgen> But 0.9999... != 0.99
  469. [18:15:51] <sudosysgen> Which is why I don't see why you can truncate the repeating numbers when computing a digital root
  470. [18:15:53] <Lurker69> also there is slight typo in proof i posted, if you will go thorough it, he forgot one 0 at 100 000 once
  471. [18:16:02] <|343373|> 0.12 99999999... will be 4, but 0.12961296129612961296... (1296 being 9) can be cut at the 1296
  472. [18:16:02] <sudosysgen> Oh wait
  473. [18:16:33] <sudosysgen> Actually you can truncate only cyclical numbers
  474. [18:16:47] <|343373|> Thats what I was saying.
  475. [18:16:55] <sudosysgen> because mod9(cyclical number) = 9
  476. [18:17:02] <|343373|> only cyclical which are a full set of (9)
  477. [18:17:04] <sudosysgen> and mod9(9) = 0
  478. [18:17:11] <sudosysgen> |343373|: Right sorry
  479. [18:17:13] <|343373|> also thats only in Base10
  480. [18:17:16] <sudosysgen> now I understand
  481. [18:17:23] <sudosysgen> |343373|: yes of course
  482. [18:17:39] <Desprit> the 0.9999... is actually 0.(9)(9)....
  483. [18:17:40] <|343373|> In other base it will be only base (n-1) set
  484. [18:18:05] <sudosysgen> because Dr is always only mod(base-1) and that this number has a mod9 of 9
  485. [18:18:11] <sudosysgen> Oh you beat me to it
  486. [18:18:17] <Lurker69> sudosysgen: yeah all this logic has to be used in base30 mod29 for runes, here is a table with patterns https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/16NoQBBAu9cDgaX2XWiUytYKb7N09fZlhezteX3CP_GM/edit?usp=sharing
  487. [18:18:20] <TaiiwoBot> ^ C3301 Patterns - Google Sheets https://tinyurl.com/hccv3y7 ^
  488. [18:18:24] <sudosysgen> Ok great I understand now
  489. [18:19:15] <sudosysgen> Wait a minute
  490. [18:19:27] <sudosysgen> this looks oddly like the table of interrupts made by aaaa
  491. [18:19:31] <sudosysgen> lemme check
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  494. [18:20:30] <sudosysgen> Welp I lost it
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  496. [18:21:39] <sudosysgen> Lurker69: So about the patterns
  497. [18:22:27] <sudosysgen> (1^) 27v 4^ (6^) 10^/19v 17v/12^ 16^ 11v (7v) 1v 1^22v 18v ... Shift
  498. [18:22:40] <sudosysgen> It seems that they are the digital root of the Shift
  499. [18:22:50] <sudosysgen> (1) 9 4 (6) |1| 8 3 7 2 (7) 1 5 9 ... Patterns
  500. [18:22:55] <sudosysgen> Dr 27 = 9
  501. [18:23:02] <sudosysgen> Dr 10 = 1
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  503. [18:23:20] <sudosysgen> Dr 19 = 1
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  505. [18:23:26] <sudosysgen> Dr 17 = 8
  506. [18:23:32] <sudosysgen> Dr 12 = 3
  507. [18:23:39] <sudosysgen> Dr 16 = 7
  508. [18:23:43] <sudosysgen> Dr 11 = 2
  509. [18:24:16] <sudosysgen> But this one doesn't work:
  510. [18:24:24] <sudosysgen> 1^22v
  511. [18:24:34] <sudosysgen> Dr 22 = 4
  512. [18:24:35] <Lurker69> 1+4=5
  513. [18:24:39] <sudosysgen> Yeah right
  514. [18:25:03] <sudosysgen> Why is there two numbers in the shift?
  515. [18:25:08] <Lurker69> for some (to me unknown) reson sometimes you have n^/mv and you do Dr of n+m
  516. [18:25:18] <Lurker69> and n+m can spread thropugh two runes
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  519. [18:27:31] <sudosysgen> Lurker69: Seems simple
  520. [18:27:45] <sudosysgen> Is the shift derived from the pattern or is the pattern derived from the shift
  521. [18:27:50] <sudosysgen> ?
  522. [18:28:06] <sudosysgen> If the shift is derived from the pattern then I know wy
  523. [18:28:44] <Lurker69> http://pastebin.com/edit/DFJiPUf0 here i am trying to expand his proof to next set of runes
  524. [18:28:44] <harvester> ^ Archived file(s): edit ^
  525. [18:28:45] <TaiiwoBot> ^ Pastebin.com - Login Page ^
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  527. [18:29:15] <sudosysgen> >To get to the requested page you must first login.
  528. [18:29:19] <sudosysgen> shit
  529. [18:29:24] <Lurker69> copy it to some text editor to get rid of cut lines
  530. [18:29:26] <Lurker69> hmm
  531. [18:29:44] <Lurker69> http://pastebin.com/DFJiPUf0
  532. [18:29:45] <TaiiwoBot> ^ 1 2 4 6 10 12 16 18 22 28 30 36 40 | 42 46 - Pastebin.com ^
  533. [18:29:45] <harvester> ^ Archived file(s): DFJiPUf0 ^
  534. [18:29:46] <|343373|> Lurker Ive been going through the log and you derped
  535. [18:29:58] <|343373|> 61 is full reptend
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  539. [18:30:43] <|343373|> oh wait nvm
  540. [18:30:53] <|343373|> i didnt read all the way down LOL sorry
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  542. [18:31:04] <Lurker69> yeah i think i mentioned that
  543. [18:31:36] <Lurker69> also primes that are full reptend are full reptend only in bas10, in other base systems there are other full reptend primes
  544. [18:31:40] <Lurker69> i think :-/
  545. [18:31:50] <sudosysgen> Lurker69: You are rigjt
  546. [18:32:10] <|343373|> mhm other base systems have other "primes"
  547. [18:32:32] <sudosysgen> Because a full reptend prime must have a cyclical number when it is used to divide a number that it isn't divisible with
  548. [18:32:43] <sudosysgen> But cylical numbers are different in other bases
  549. [18:32:53] <sudosysgen> Thus full reptend primes are different
  550. [18:33:08] <|343373|> also the type of system is important too, if its balanced(even) or not balanced(odd)
  551. [18:33:34] <sudosysgen> |343373|: How is it different
  552. [18:33:37] <sudosysgen> ?
  553. [18:33:50] <Lurker69> i think i figured this out when i was traing to figure out why Dr1/7 *2 =/= Dr 2/7 (in prime division), i think that in base 14 it worked just as expected
  554. [18:34:27] <|343373|> base3 = 0 and 12, or -1 0 +1, base4 = 0 and 123, or -1 3OR0 +1
  555. [18:35:08] <sudosysgen> Zero isn't a prime, so how can it be a full reptend prim?
  556. [18:35:13] <sudosysgen> *prime
  557. [18:35:22] <Desprit> 3 is 0
  558. [18:35:26] <|343373|> it affects how the system works
  559. [18:35:26] <Desprit> neutrality
  560. [18:35:42] <sudosysgen> You mean 3 in base 3 is 10
  561. [18:36:00] <sudosysgen> not 0
  562. [18:36:07] <sudosysgen> Or did I miss something
  563. [18:36:11] <|343373|> theres no "3" in base3
  564. [18:36:15] <|343373|> but yes
  565. [18:36:22] <sudosysgen> Ok that's what I tought
  566. [18:36:23] <|343373|> 10 would be 3
  567. [18:36:51] <sudosysgen> |343373|: Yes of course
  568. [18:36:55] <|343373|> in base3 theres no neutral unit
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  570. [18:37:05] <sudosysgen> and when you say
  571. [18:37:15] <sudosysgen> or -1 0 +1
  572. [18:37:18] <Desprit> I mean it for base4
  573. [18:37:30] <sudosysgen> what do you mean exactly
  574. [18:37:33] <|343373|> they can cancel eachother only into nothing in base3
  575. [18:37:47] <|343373|> base4 allows an existing neutral
  576. [18:37:56] <Desprit> yeah exactly
  577. [18:37:59] <sudosysgen> What do you mean they cancel eachother
  578. [18:38:06] <|343373|> which has same properties as 9 in our base10
  579. [18:38:39] <|343373|> nevermind, its nor important for LP atm
  580. [18:38:44] <|343373|> not*
  581. [18:38:48] <sudosysgen> Ok
  582. [18:39:06] <sudosysgen> So what is the logic behind constituing a pattern
  583. [18:39:41] <|343373|> >Zero isn't a prime, so how can it be a full reptend prime? I wasnt talking about primes but about that the way the primes work in a system changes.
  584. [18:40:14] <|343373|> Primes shift to other number/digit
  585. [18:41:00] <|343373|> The patterns logic always stays the same but expands
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  589. [18:41:29] <Desprit> expandsthrough what
  590. [18:41:31] <sudosysgen> Sorry
  591. [18:41:45] <|343373|> wb,
  592. [18:41:46] <sudosysgen> Can you repeat your last posts |343373|
  593. [18:41:46] <|343373|> <|343373|> >Zero isn't a prime, so how can it be a full reptend prime? I wasnt talking about primes but about that the way the primes work in a system changes.
  594. [18:41:47] <|343373|> <|343373|> Primes shift to other number/digit
  595. [18:41:47] <|343373|> <|343373|> The patterns logic always stays the same but expands
  596. [18:42:25] <sudosysgen> |343373|: When you say that primes change when a system change, which type of prime are you talking baout
  597. [18:42:28] <sudosysgen> *about
  598. [18:42:36] <sudosysgen> I assume special primes
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  600. [18:43:13] <sudosysgen> such as emirps and full reptend primes
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  602. [18:44:09] <sudosysgen> |343373|: What do you mean when you say 'There is no neutral unit in base3'
  603. [18:44:26] <|343373|> The type of the of number changes, be it prime/reptend etc... by adding more symbols the internal structure shifts.
  604. [18:44:46] <sudosysgen> |343373|: Of course it does
  605. [18:45:39] <|343373|> having a balanced neutral or not having a balanced neutral affects the shift
  606. [18:45:50] <|343373|> (shoft of the primes)
  607. [18:45:57] <|343373|> shift*
  608. [18:46:27] <|343373|> Its seriously not important atm
  609. [18:46:32] <sudosysgen> Well ok
  610. [18:46:39] <sudosysgen> But I don't really understand
  611. [18:46:41] <sudosysgen> OK then
  612. [18:48:29] <sudosysgen> So how do you figure out the pattern
  613. [18:48:46] <sudosysgen> (1) 9 4 (6) |1| 8 3 7 2 (7) 1 1+4=5 9 | 4 8 3 5 + 2=7 2 3 + 3=6 (5) + (2)=(7)(6) |1|... | ... Pattern
  614. [18:48:58] <sudosysgen> I know it is the pattern of /7
  615. [18:49:06] <|343373|> <sudosysgen> Because a full reptend prime must have a cyclical number when it is used to divide a number that it isn't divisible with
  616. [18:49:06] <|343373|> <sudosysgen> But cylical numbers are different in other bases
  617. [18:49:06] <|343373|> <sudosysgen> Thus full reptend primes are different
  618. [18:49:17] <|343373|> system being balanced or not affect that^
  619. [18:49:32] <sudosysgen> |343373|: Ok
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  621. [18:49:47] <|343373|> by balanced i mean having a 0 and a neutral
  622. [18:49:58] <CrAzYPiLoT> ether8unny: Finetuned the script, works like a charm now
  623. [18:50:07] <ndiddy> brotherBox: what's crack-a-lackin', my soul brother
  624. [18:50:20] <CrAzYPiLoT> Do you want the code, or just the compiled exe and dlls?
  625. [18:50:36] <|343373|> "So how do you figure out the pattern" you have to find it yourself, I can just give hints here and there.. :/
  626. [18:50:52] <sudosysgen> I know, I was asking Lurker69
  627. [18:51:02] <sudosysgen> He seems to have made obe
  628. [18:51:13] <sudosysgen> made one
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  631. [18:53:38] <sudosysgen> Lurker69: How did you constitute your pattern?
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  633. [18:55:36] <Lurker69> um...
  634. [18:56:28] <Lurker69> i tried hard to get /7 patternby different combinations of ^ v ^/v and ^andv
  635. [18:57:15] <sudosysgen> Lurker69: So the shift decides the pattern?
  636. [18:57:17] <Lurker69> but didnt get far until |343373| posted [16:38:01] <|343373|> 4^ 8^/3v 23^29 ^2 21v12^ 14
  637. [18:57:23] <Lurker69> [16:40:36] <|343373|> 4^ 8^/3v 23^29 ^2 21v12^ (14^20^) (^24) (^1/28v) ...
  638. [18:57:47] <Lurker69> i havent yet expand to his second post: [16:54:21] <|343373|> 13^ 17^/12v 23^29 ^2 21v12^ (14^20^) (^24) (^1/28v) 20v16^ 14v ...
  639. [18:58:19] <Lurker69> yeah pattern comes from Dr of shiofs, up or down, or both, or two shifts added togather
  640. [18:58:54] <sudosysgen> OK great
  641. [18:58:59] <sudosysgen> That's what I tought
  642. [18:59:03] <Lurker69> with some (167) or (761) and |1| in between that doesnt count as part of pattern
  643. [18:59:36] <Lurker69> dont ask me where |1| came from, but 167 and 761 are old cicadas jokes
  644. [18:59:38] <sudosysgen> So where does the shift come from
  645. [19:00:38] <|343373|> here
  646. [19:00:38] <|343373|> 13^ 17^/12v 23^29 ^2 21v12^ (14^20^) (^24) (^1/28v) 20v16^ 14v ...
  647. [19:00:39] <|343373|> 4 8 3 7 2 6 (7) (6) |1| 9 5 ....
  648. [19:00:39] <|343373|> 1 2 2 1 2 2 1 2 2 1 ... [1 = n?, 2 = n?n? or n?/n?]
  649. [19:01:23] <Lurker69> sudosysgen: our shifts came from formula we guessed (totient of ptimes or primes-1)
  650. [19:01:39] <Lurker69> d (totient of ptimes or primes-1)mod29*
  651. [19:02:19] <sudosysgen> The Totient of which primes
  652. [19:05:47] <sudosysgen> ?
  653. [19:05:57] <sudosysgen> and what is a ptime
  654. [19:11:16] <Lurker69> totient fucntion of n is just numberof factors of n that are semiprime with n
  655. [19:11:28] <Lurker69> i think i said that correctly
  656. [19:12:21] <Lurker69> http://primefan.tripod.com/Phi500.html
  657. [19:12:22] <TaiiwoBot> ^ Euler's Totient Function Values For n = 1 to 500, with Divisor Lists ^
  658. [19:12:40] <sudosysgen> yeah right
  659. [19:12:56] <Lurker69> for prime numbers totient is conveniently prime-1
  660. [19:13:03] <sudosysgen> Lurker69: Right
  661. [19:13:15] <sudosysgen> Lurker69: But you say totient of primes
  662. [19:13:21] <sudosysgen> And I ask
  663. [19:13:27] <sudosysgen> Totient of which primes?
  664. [19:13:49] <Lurker69> and we guessed that 56th page is encrypted with running key that is totirnt pf primes in succession
  665. [19:14:30] <sudosysgen> So the cipher is all the primes - 1 one after the other
  666. [19:14:37] <Lurker69> yeah
  667. [19:14:43] <Lurker69> 1 2 4 6 10 12 16 18 22 28 30 36 40 42 46 52 58 60 66 70 72 78 82 88 96 100 102 106 108 112 126... mod29
  668. [19:14:50] <sudosysgen> Ok right
  669. [19:14:55] <sudosysgen> So that is the shifts
  670. [19:15:03] <Lurker69> yeah shifts up
  671. [19:15:07] <sudosysgen> Ok
  672. [19:15:11] <sudosysgen> And what are the shifts down
  673. [19:15:21] <Lurker69> and Fs are not encrypted i think, like werent on many of fisrt 17 pages
  674. [19:15:32] <sudosysgen> Yeah
  675. [19:15:42] <Lurker69> shift down is 29-shift up or 30-shift up
  676. [19:15:57] <sudosysgen> What
  677. [19:16:09] <Lurker69> shift up = 29-shift down
  678. [19:16:39] <Lurker69> shifts are on gematria primus, you slide with finger up or down from enciphered rune to deciphered rune
  679. [19:16:49] <sudosysgen> Yeah right
  680. [19:16:59] <sudosysgen> but how do you determine whether you shift up or down
  681. [19:17:19] <sudosysgen> In the shifts sometimes you shift up and sometimes you shift down
  682. [19:18:10] <Lurker69> there is slight confusion if you count shift for 0 (so shift from F to F) as 1 or 0, at vigenere cipher where key was FIRFUMFERENFE, F is 1st rune and shifts for 0
  683. [19:18:24] <|343373|> Do you guys realize that youre trying to do the very last encrypted page atm?... Just analyze it and go back to the first pages...
  684. [19:18:25] <sudosysgen> Yeah
  685. [19:18:44] <Lurker69> how you determine if you need to shift up or down i dont know
  686. [19:18:58] <sudosysgen> Lurker69: So you don't know how to derive the shifts
  687. [19:19:00] <Lurker69> 343373 said that there is logic behind it and that pattern repeats at some point
  688. [19:19:18] <sudosysgen> Well then
  689. [19:19:32] <sudosysgen> Let's go to the first encrypted pages and try
  690. [19:19:41] <Lurker69> also i dont know how you would get actual shift value (in base 30) from patten value (in base10)
  691. [19:19:52] <Lurker69> mod9 is not reversable function
  692. [19:19:56] <sudosysgen> Lurker69: Isn't it the other way around?
  693. [19:20:07] <sudosysgen> Do you not get the pattern from the shift
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  695. [19:20:10] <Lurker69> there are few shifts in base 30 that all have mod 9 in base 10
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  697. [19:20:58] <Lurker69> sudosysgen: it is the other way around here when we try to figure out 343373s clue based on already solved page
  698. [19:21:16] <sol1ton> http://www.sjsu.edu/faculty/watkins/Digitsum0.htm
  699. [19:21:17] <TaiiwoBot> ^ The Digit Sums for Multiples of Numbers ^
  700. [19:21:23] <Lurker69> when you try to decrpyt other pages based on only pattern it wont be that eays
  701. [19:21:35] <sol1ton> I'm ready Fu-Xi comments.
  702. [19:21:37] <sol1ton> interesting
  703. [19:21:49] <Lurker69> easy*, and even in taht easieast way it isnt easy at all
  704. [19:22:16] <sudosysgen> Lurker69:
  705. [19:22:23] <sudosysgen> If we now what the result should be
  706. [19:22:32] <sudosysgen> And that we know the algorithm
  707. [19:22:48] <sudosysgen> Then we can reverse the actions and get the code
  708. [19:22:55] <sudosysgen> Or at least a cod
  709. [19:22:57] <sudosysgen> Or at least a code
  710. [19:23:03] <sudosysgen> Simply by bruteforce
  711. [19:23:27] <sudosysgen> We can make a program and try every possible shift for every possible direction and check against
  712. [19:23:43] <sudosysgen> And then we look at the result, verify and try to find a pattern
  713. [19:24:52] <Lurker69> nope, its too many combinations for bruteforcing
  714. [19:25:13] <sudosysgen> There are 60 possibilities for every rune
  715. [19:25:22] <sudosysgen> And each rune is a separate problem
  716. [19:25:37] <sudosysgen> Given that we know what the result should be we can find out
  717. [19:25:55] <Lurker69> 4 letters word has 29^4 combinations, even if we exclude all results that aren words in en dictionry it would still be way to much garbage to read through
  718. [19:26:09] <sudosysgen> Lurker69: Why are you thinking of words???
  719. [19:26:19] <sudosysgen> We are trying to find the complete shifts
  720. [19:26:28] <sudosysgen> Each character is a separate problem
  721. [19:26:44] <sudosysgen> So instead of being 60⁴ it is 60*4
  722. [19:27:13] <Lurker69> basically ever n rune word can be deciphered as any other n rune english word, amd you would get gazilion sentences that would make no sense, with small gazillion sentences that would make sense but would still be incorrect
  723. [19:27:50] <sudosysgen> Yes but for page 56 we already now what the result should be
  724. [19:28:10] <sudosysgen> So we can filter by seeing if the result is the same or not
  725. [19:28:39] <sudosysgen> Keep in mind we are trying to find the shifts, not the plain text
  726. [19:29:03] <|343373|> The first 15 pages are alot more simple than 56.jpg ...
  727. [19:29:11] <Lurker69> there is no guarantee that pattern will be tha same on other pages
  728. [19:29:24] <sudosysgen> Lurker69: True
  729. [19:29:30] <sol1ton> i'm still missing the idea behind the matrices
  730. [19:29:35] <sudosysgen> Lurker69: We should try the first 15 pages
  731. [19:29:36] <|343373|> they are not the same, but they follow the same logic/approach
  732. [19:30:03] <sol1ton> we have 434,1311,312,278,966, etc. (this is the 3301 matrix)
  733. [19:30:07] <sol1ton> mod9 this becomees
  734. [19:30:13] <sol1ton> {{2, 6, 6, 8, 3}, {6, 2, 7, 1, 0}, {5, 8, 8, 8, 5}, {0, 1, 7, 2, 6}, {3, 8, 6, 6, 2}}
  735. [19:30:21] <Lurker69> sol1ton: we all are, 344473 isnt gonna tell us how matrices tie all the patterns and ecryptions togather
  736. [19:30:47] <|343373|> Lurker I gave you guys what you need for that though
  737. [19:30:59] <sol1ton> but it has something to do with digital roots?
  738. [19:31:43] <Lurker69> yeah, that big matrice made out of four he posted today has /7 pattern in brackets
  739. [19:32:09] <Lurker69> (2) 3 8 5 (7)
  740. [19:32:09] <Lurker69> (6) 1 4 5 9
  741. [19:32:09] <Lurker69> (1) 2 1 2 1
  742. [19:32:09] <Lurker69> 9 (5)(4) 1 6
  743. [19:32:09] <Lurker69> 7 5 (8)(3) 2
  744. [19:32:15] <Lurker69> without 9 though
  745. [19:32:56] <sudosysgen> what about the matrix in page 16
  746. [19:33:00] <|343373|> (note that one was an example)
  747. [19:33:21] <Lurker69> sol1ton: if you missed it http://pastebin.com/85KtHzua
  748. [19:33:22] <harvester> ^ Archived file(s): 85KtHzua ^
  749. [19:33:22] <TaiiwoBot> ^ |343373|s clues towards solution of Cicada 3301 - Pastebin.com ^
  750. [19:33:22] <|343373|> The first magic square is 1033, the 2nd magic square is 3301, so its not hard to guess what happens to pattern(whats the pattern supposed to be) in the 2nd magic square.
  751. [19:34:26] <sol1ton> oh wait. i should start with 1033 then
  752. [19:35:18] <sol1ton> you know, we submitted those squares back in 2014
  753. [19:35:32] <sol1ton> but i don't even remember where they cme from
  754. [19:35:47] <sudosysgen> look
  755. [19:35:52] <sudosysgen> this one:
  756. [19:35:58] <sudosysgen> <|343373|> 2 3 8 5 7 | 2 3 8 5 7
  757. [19:36:00] <sudosysgen> <|343373|> 6 1 4 5 9 | 6 1 4 5 9
  758. [19:36:02] <sudosysgen> <|343373|> 1 2 1 2 1 | 1 2 1 2 1
  759. [19:36:04] <sudosysgen> <|343373|> 9 5 4 1 6 | 9 5 4 1 6
  760. [19:36:06] <sudosysgen> <|343373|> 7 5 8 3 2 | 7 5 8 3 2
  761. [19:36:08] <sudosysgen> <|343373|> ----------+----------
  762. [19:36:10] <sudosysgen> <|343373|> 2 3 8 5 7 | 2 3 8 5 7
  763. [19:36:12] <sudosysgen> <|343373|> 6 1 4 5 9 | 6 1 4 5 9
  764. [19:36:14] <sudosysgen> <|343373|> 1 2 1 2 1 | 1 2 1 2 1
  765. [19:36:16] <sudosysgen> <|343373|> 9 5 4 1 6 | 9 5 4 1 6
  766. [19:36:18] <sudosysgen> <|343373|> 7 5 8 3 2 | 7 5 8 3 2
  767. [19:36:20] <sudosysgen> is used for page 0-14
  768. [19:36:22] <sudosysgen> lets try using it
  769. [19:36:29] <Lurker69> 343373 said that 1033 square from page 3 is example for us to see how magic square works on first 17 pages that we solved with wrong approach
  770. [19:37:36] <sudosysgen> where is the 1033 square?
  771. [19:37:40] <Lurker69> second square, 3301 one on page 17 is used on unsolved pages, 0-1¸4 in 0-57 LP
  772. [19:38:16] <Lurker69> http://i.imgur.com/CBT8677.jpg this is first one from page 3
  773. [19:38:17] <sudosysgen> well then
  774. [19:38:17] <harvester> ^ Archived file(s): CBT8677 ^
  775. [19:38:18] <TaiiwoBot> ^ Image of: indesign(31%) book(31%) ^
  776. [19:38:40] <Lurker69> this one simplifed is what sudosysgen posted
  777. [19:39:19] <Lurker69> http://i.imgur.com/qvRO3q6.jpg this is page 17 and it should be key to next unsolved pagtes
  778. [19:39:20] <harvester> ^ Archived file(s): qvRO3q6 ^
  779. [19:39:20] <TaiiwoBot> ^ Image of: cloud(52%) word(50%) ^
  780. [19:39:35] <sudosysgen> btw
  781. [19:39:49] <sudosysgen> the one at page 16 isn't of 1033
  782. [19:39:56] <sudosysgen> it is of 3301
  783. [19:39:56] <Lurker69> its 3301
  784. [19:40:02] <Lurker69> here is first one
  785. [19:40:04] <Lurker69> 272 138 341 131 151 2 3 8 5 7
  786. [19:40:04] <Lurker69> 366 199 130 320 18 6 1 4 5 9
  787. [19:40:04] <Lurker69> 226 245 91 245 226 1 2 1 2 1
  788. [19:40:04] <Lurker69> 18 320 130 199 366 9 5 4 1 6
  789. [19:40:04] <Lurker69> 151 131 341 138 272 7 5 8 3 2
  790. [19:40:18] <Lurker69> and second one
  791. [19:40:19] <Lurker69> 434 1311 312 278 966 2 6 6 8 3
  792. [19:40:19] <Lurker69> 204 812 934 280 1071 6 2 7 1 9
  793. [19:40:19] <Lurker69> 626 620 809 620 626 5 8 8 8 5
  794. [19:40:19] <Lurker69> 1071 280 934 812 204 9 1 7 2 6
  795. [19:40:19] <Lurker69> 966 278 312 1311 434 3 8 6 6 2
  796. [19:41:21] <sudosysgen> what are those numbers at the right?
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  798. [19:41:34] <Lurker69> simplified version mod9
  799. [19:41:53] <sudosysgen> oh
  800. [19:42:14] <sudosysgen> and that is where he got the pattern from
  801. [19:42:24] <Lurker69> first one simplified is what you were posting few minutes ago, jsut made in 2X2
  802. [19:42:29] <Lurker69> yeah
  803. [19:43:03] <sudosysgen> well
  804. [19:43:05] <Lurker69> now both of them are simplified in base10 so mod9, i dont know if we need to use them simplified in base30 mod29; 343373 didnt say anything about that
  805. [19:43:18] <sudosysgen> It seems that cicada is made of cutting edge mathematicians
  806. [19:44:27] <Lurker69> here is link to prof Kardis page, he was doing similar things with digital roots than 343373, although 34 got even deeper http://people.revoledu.com/kardi/tutorial/DigitSum/Arithmetic.html
  807. [19:44:28] <TaiiwoBot> ^ Digital Root Arithmetic Error ^
  808. [19:45:32] <sudosysgen> Lurker69: Why would we simplify it using mod29? AFAIK 3301 in base30 isn't even prime
  809. [19:45:52] <sudosysgen> I wonder if it would even be a magic square in base<30
  810. [19:45:59] <sudosysgen> I wonder if it would even be a magic square in *base30
  811. [19:46:11] <Lurker69> Kardis division table isnt full. he doesnt have any values at 1,2,4,5,7,8 at /6 and /3 division, 343373 has full patterns for those
  812. [19:46:47] <Lurker69> sudosysgen: simplify in mod29 to get shift values, idk, it was just my idea from before 34 posted that proof with patterns in base 10
  813. [19:47:04] <sudosysgen> Lurker69: Which proof?
  814. [19:47:23] <Lurker69> that pattern, repetition lines
  815. [19:47:37] <sudosysgen> Reptition lines? Never saw that one
  816. [19:47:47] <Lurker69> http://prntscr.com/bs1nun
  817. [19:47:48] <harvester> ^ Archived file(s): 4139090c2efc4e92af575ecbfa65b7aa ^
  818. [19:47:51] <Lurker69> that
  819. [19:48:47] <sudosysgen> oh
  820. [19:49:29] <sudosysgen> That's not a proof tho
  821. [19:49:34] <Lurker69> 343373 called this 'proof' that his appraoch is correct
  822. [19:49:58] <Lurker69> and yeah most of us agree that it ient proof without any explanation how it all works
  823. [19:50:05] <Lurker69> isnt*
  824. [19:50:06] <|343373|> 167, 761, /7
  825. [19:51:02] <|343373|> It works that way there only in base30 btw. so it was set up on purpose :)
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  827. [19:51:58] <Lurker69> yeah there are some numbers that 3301 like there, it was the same with that 3301.jpg/mp3 file, filesize factorized gave some neat primes iirc
  828. [19:52:42] <sudosysgen> yeah
  829. [19:53:42] <sudosysgen> Am I too dumb to understand this clusterfuck? Cause somtimes is feels like I am.
  830. [19:56:42] <sol1ton> okay, so 4,8,3,7,2,6,1,5, (9!) is the repeating cycl eof sums of digits for multiples of 4
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  833. [19:56:55] <sol1ton> 4, 8, 12 (3), 16 (7) 20 (2), etc
  834. [19:57:40] <Lurker69> yeah /7 and *4 have same patterns
  835. [19:58:09] <Lurker69> i need to put those collerations in googledoc table
  836. [19:58:30] <Lurker69> let me paste all my patterns and collerations
  837. [19:58:54] <Lurker69> 246813579 [Pattern of *2 AND /5] same as [*7 AND /4] reverse if we move 9
  838. [19:58:54] <Lurker69> 753186429 [Pattern of *7 AND /4] same as [*2 AND /5] reverse if we move 9
  839. [19:58:54] <Lurker69> 516273849 [Pattern of *5 AND /2] same as [*4 AND /16] reverse if we move 9
  840. [19:58:54] <Lurker69> 483726159 [Pattern of *4 AND /16] same as [*5 AND /2] reverse if we move 9
  841. [19:58:54] <Lurker69> 123456789 [Pattern for *1 and /1] same as [*8 and /8] reverse if we move 9
  842. [19:58:54] <Lurker69> 876543219 [Pattern for *8 and /8] same as [*1 and /1] reverse if we move 9
  843. [20:01:19] <Lurker69> this is how Kardi presented same realtions http://people.revoledu.com/kardi/tutorial/DigitSum/image/digital-cluster_clip_image002.jpg
  844. [20:01:21] <TaiiwoBot> ^ Image of: tree(31%) pollen(26%) grass(26%) https://tinyurl.com/jjxeo8v ^
  845. [20:01:44] <sudosysgen> TaiiwoBot: What
  846. [20:01:46] <TaiiwoBot> sudosysgen: Wasting my time with you.
  847. [20:01:58] <sudosysgen> Is that your image recognition algorithm spazzing out?
  848. [20:02:27] <Lurker69> yeah, TaiiwoBot explain mor eabour how you recognize images
  849. [20:02:29] <TaiiwoBot> Lurker69: Do you remember my name?
  850. [20:03:14] <Lurker69> TaiiwoBot i will never gonna give you up
  851. [20:03:15] <TaiiwoBot> Lurker69: Never gonna let me down?
  852. [20:03:41] <Lurker69> TaiiwoBot: somebody once told me
  853. [20:03:43] <TaiiwoBot> Lurker69: Told you what?
  854. [20:04:16] <sol1ton> there's still plenty of missing pieces
  855. [20:04:35] <sol1ton> why /7 (or *4) for the 1033 matrix.
  856. [20:04:44] <sol1ton> and then what to do with the pattern?
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  858. [20:05:03] <sol1ton> the matrix is symmtrical, the pattern could just as wel lgo the other way
  859. [20:05:42] <Lurker69> sol1ton: yeah, 343373 is saying that you/we have to figure it out for ourselves, if we dont understand how it all works then LP text is useless for us, he said
  860. [20:06:06] <sudosysgen> Well
  861. [20:06:17] <sudosysgen> We need to do something right
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  864. [20:06:39] <sol1ton> we decoded the original 17
  865. [20:06:49] <sol1ton> and the hint was 1033 matrix. which we avoided.
  866. [20:07:01] <sol1ton> then 3301 matrix solves first part of LP
  867. [20:07:01] <sudosysgen> Yes
  868. [20:07:02] <Lurker69> and yeah matrixes are simmetrical so they have only 13 different values at each 5x5 square
  869. [20:07:28] <sol1ton> how did we solve original 17 again? :)
  870. [20:07:29] <Lurker69> how can 13 differnt numbers deteemine all different encryptions on first 17 pages
  871. [20:07:33] <sudosysgen> Yes they are diagonally simetrical
  872. [20:07:52] <Lurker69> two vigenre keys, atbash, and few unencrypted pages
  873. [20:07:52] <[^> isnt Fraulein like a young women
  874. [20:08:07] <Lurker69> [^: yes
  875. [20:08:13] <sudosysgen> Lurker69: You can have two encryptions on the same page
  876. [20:08:20] <[^> okay thought so
  877. [20:08:25] <sudosysgen> It's very hard but you can
  878. [20:08:49] <sudosysgen> [^: It is a thing with V1cWra1th
  879. [20:09:17] <Lurker69> atbash cipher can be explaind as /14 pattern (in base30) shift on gematria primus
  880. [20:09:31] <sudosysgen> He caugth and STD and said: Sometimes you cross the wrong Fraulein
  881. [20:09:40] <Lurker69> i have no idea how to squeeze
  882. [20:09:54] <Lurker69> DIUINITY
  883. [20:09:54] <Lurker69> 23^6v 10^19v 1^28v 10^19v 9^20v 10^19v 16^13v 26^3v
  884. [20:09:54] <Lurker69> 5 6 1 1 1 1 1 1 9 2 1 1 7 4 8 3
  885. [20:09:54] <Lurker69> FIRFUMFERENFE
  886. [20:09:54] <Lurker69> 29^29v 10^19v 4^25v 29^29v 1^28v 19^10v 29^29v 18^11v 4^25v 18^11v 9^20v 29^29v 18^11v
  887. [20:09:54] <Lurker69> 2 2 1 1 4 7 2 2 1 1 1 1 2 2 9 2 4 7 9 2 9 2 2 2 9 2
  888. [20:10:05] <Lurker69> those two keys into first magic square
  889. [20:10:25] <Lurker69> and how to explain which page does what at same time
  890. [20:10:54] <Lurker69> and not to forget that trolling unecrypted F, i am not sure if magic square tells us why are Fs unencrypted too
  891. [20:11:22] <sudosysgen> Lurker69: It is not obligatory that the magic square does everything
  892. [20:11:47] <sudosysgen> It can leave out a part to our logic
  893. [20:12:33] <Lurker69> not everything but somehow it must suggest that some pages are unencrypted, my first guess is that values 1 in simplified version do that
  894. [20:12:42] <sudosysgen> Lurker69: What
  895. [20:13:08] <sudosysgen> It does not need to suggest that somepages are unencrypted
  896. [20:13:23] <sudosysgen> If a page is not encrypted it is painfully obvious
  897. [20:13:40] <sudosysgen> Oh
  898. [20:13:42] <sudosysgen> Lurker
  899. [20:13:48] <sudosysgen> I think I understand
  900. [20:14:02] <sudosysgen> Wait no
  901. [20:14:04] <sudosysgen> I am dumb
  902. [20:14:08] <sudosysgen> BRB
  903. [20:14:13] <Lurker69> it is, but there must be some logic in why it is in plain text
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  908. [20:18:34] <sudosysgen> Well you see
  909. [20:19:03] <sudosysgen> given that such a cipher has 60 possiblities for every shift
  910. [20:19:09] <|343373|> btw look at 4|7, 9|2 and 1|1
  911. [20:19:09] <sol1ton> btw, the mod9 calculation is a bit odd, since he puts a 9 where it should be a 0
  912. [20:19:10] <sudosysgen> 30 down and 30 up
  913. [20:19:24] <|343373|> and 8|3
  914. [20:19:43] <sudosysgen> It is theoretically possible to encode up to 26 letters runes in the magic square
  915. [20:19:52] <sudosysgen> |343373|: What do you mean
  916. [20:19:53] <|343373|> Not saying anymore on this subject btw
  917. [20:20:05] <sudosysgen> |343373|: What is X|X
  918. [20:20:12] <sudosysgen> |343373|: Well ok
  919. [20:20:36] <sudosysgen> Lurker69: Do you know what 4|7 means?
  920. [20:20:58] <sudosysgen> or 9|2, 1|1 for that matter
  921. [20:20:59] <sol1ton> sudosysgen: the *4 and /7 repetiting numbers are the same
  922. [20:21:08] <sudosysgen> sol1ton: Yes
  923. [20:21:17] <sudosysgen> but 9 and 2?
  924. [20:22:13] <sol1ton> no clue
  925. [20:22:16] <sol1ton> 4+7=11
  926. [20:22:18] <sol1ton> 9+2 = 11
  927. [20:23:13] <|343373|> DIUINITY, FIRFUMFERENFE patterns that lurker gave.
  928. [20:23:27] <sol1ton> divide by 7, fourth cyclemove by 1, infinity loop
  929. [20:23:52] <|343373|> Also look at the first magic square. it will make some sense if you look deep yet simply.
  930. [20:24:19] <sudosysgen> |343373|: The magic square at page 16?
  931. [20:25:00] <|343373|> no
  932. [20:25:05] <|343373|> page 3
  933. [20:25:23] <sudosysgen> In pages from 0-73, which one is it?
  934. [20:25:57] <|343373|> 3.jpg
  935. [20:26:08] <sol1ton> it's 272,138,341,131,151,etc
  936. [20:26:11] <|343373|> (first magic square)
  937. [20:26:15] <sol1ton> the one that adds up to 1033
  938. [20:26:19] <|343373|> yes
  939. [20:26:42] <sudosysgen> Ok sorry
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  941. [20:27:34] <sysgen> Sorry I don't know why I had the incorrect name
  942. [20:28:02] <Desprit> Excuse me, the pages in LP (imgur) are the original size and content, right ?
  943. [20:28:13] <Desprit> in cicada3301.org***
  944. [20:28:46] <Lurker69> 4|7 9|2 1|1 are shifts at firfumferenfe
  945. [20:29:48] <Lurker69> 8|3 is at diuinity, not sure why he didnt mention 5|6 and 7|4
  946. [20:31:19] <Lurker69> they are all (including 5|6 and 7|4) Dr11=2
  947. [20:31:53] <Lurker69> which is logical since they came from sum of two digits that add up to 29...
  948. [20:32:05] <Lurker69> fafepalm
  949. [20:32:32] <sysgen> lol
  950. [20:33:12] <sysgen> So this is the right path
  951. [20:33:30] <sol1ton> how do we link again circumference to the 1033 matrix?
  952. [20:33:44] <Lurker69> i am doing short explanation of ciphers on first 17 pages
  953. [20:33:48] <sysgen> you mean fifumferenfe
  954. [20:33:56] <sysgen> Lurker69: Where?
  955. [20:34:24] <Lurker69> sol1ton: i have no idea, that whole point of the trick that we have to figure out
  956. [20:34:50] <Lurker69> sysgen: in my doc, ill post it wehn ill have all pages
  957. [20:35:50] <sol1ton> DIUINITY = 8 letters = gematria values: 89 31 3 31 29 31 59 103
  958. [20:36:55] <sol1ton> or +24, +11, +2, +11, +10...
  959. [20:36:56] <sol1ton> etc
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  961. [20:38:18] <Desprit> where does this +24 +11 +... came from ?
  962. [20:38:23] <Desprit> Im not following, sorry :/
  963. [20:38:36] <Desprit> did*
  964. [20:38:38] <sol1ton> oh. offsets for the vigenere for divinity
  965. [20:38:42] <sol1ton> i may be off by one
  966. [20:38:51] <Desprit> oh kk
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  968. [20:40:58] <sol1ton> so. hypothesis
  969. [20:41:35] <sol1ton> we need to walk in a pattern through the 1033 matrix (maybe base 29 or so) and that'll give us DIUINITY (or rather the appropriate offsets)
  970. [20:41:53] <|343373|> FIRFUMFERENFE is not FIRFUMFERENFE, its CIRCUMFERENCE, try that and see what you get.
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  972. [20:44:08] <sol1ton> CIRCUMFERENCE = +6, +11, +5, +6, +2, +20, etc
  973. [20:45:05] <sol1ton> yes. that fits in 1033 matrix mod 20
  974. [20:45:12] <sol1ton> mod 0
  975. [20:45:13] <sol1ton> 30
  976. [20:46:43] <sysgen> sol1ton: What
  977. [20:47:12] <sysgen> if you mod29 can you fit CIRCUMFERENCE?
  978. [20:47:23] <sysgen> Oh of course
  979. [20:47:28] <sysgen> How dumb was I
  980. [20:47:42] <sysgen> We don't need there to be enough space for all keys
  981. [20:47:51] <sol1ton> still checking. it seems to have the right numbers. but not hecked the pattern yet
  982. [20:47:54] <sysgen> We only need each character to appear at least once
  983. [20:47:56] <sol1ton> good chance i' m also off by one
  984. [20:48:06] <sysgen> sol1ton: Which mod are you using?
  985. [20:48:15] <sol1ton> mod30
  986. [20:48:40] <sysgen> If you use mod30 then you are in base 31
  987. [20:48:49] <sysgen> But there aren't 31 runes
  988. [20:48:52] <sol1ton> oops :)
  989. [20:48:53] <sysgen> try mod29
  990. [20:48:55] <sysgen> yeah
  991. [20:48:58] <sysgen> :)
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  993. [20:50:18] <sol1ton> nope .missing teh 5
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  997. [20:50:40] <sysgen> Really
  998. [20:50:45] <sysgen> Wait
  999. [20:50:59] <sysgen> CIRCUMFERENCE in RUNES translates to:
  1000. [20:51:26] <sol1ton> drum roll
  1001. [20:54:05] <sysgen> +6, +11, +5, +6, +2, +21, +1, +20, +5, +20, +10, +6, +20
  1002. [20:54:27] <sol1ton> i tihnk we have to start at 0
  1003. [20:54:41] <sol1ton> since A S/Z W A I becomes: A K O A N
  1004. [20:54:43] <sol1ton> a remains the same
  1005. [20:54:43] <sysgen> Now we need to do the mod 9 of this
  1006. [20:55:03] <sysgen> No
  1007. [20:55:08] <sysgen> Forget this
  1008. [20:55:17] <sysgen> You say that there are no 5 right?
  1009. [20:55:34] <sysgen> If there is no 5 in the 1033 matrix mod29
  1010. [20:55:37] <sol1ton> https://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=%5B%5B272,138,341,131,151%5D,%5B366,199,130,320,18%5D,%5B226,245,91,245,226%5D,%5B18,320,130,199,366%5D,%5B151,131,341,138,272%5D%5D+mod+29
  1011. [20:55:37] <TaiiwoBot> ^ Wolfram|Alpha: Computational Knowledge Engine https://tinyurl.com/zylbnx9 ^
  1012. [20:55:41] <sol1ton> there's no 5 in there
  1013. [20:56:06] <sysgen> Well then even if we start at 0 there isn't going to be anything
  1014. [20:56:19] <sysgen> Unless we use the Gematria values
  1015. [20:56:34] <sysgen> But IIRC the Vigenere decoding did not use the Gematria values
  1016. [20:57:13] <sysgen> Unless..
  1017. [20:57:27] <sysgen> Unles we set the first to 0
  1018. [20:57:35] <sysgen> well not even
  1019. [20:58:23] <sol1ton> i don't understand how CIRCUMFERENCE was the key. since 'C' is the 5th in the gematria, why does the 'A' S/Z W A I remains the same ?
  1020. [20:58:33] <sysgen> Yes
  1021. [20:58:36] <sol1ton> oh wait. this the odd thing with all the F's staying the same?
  1022. [20:58:37] <[^> is there a tool to translate the letters off of a gematria primus that i decrypted
  1023. [20:58:45] <sysgen> Yes
  1024. [20:58:46] <[^> wau
  1025. [20:58:52] <sysgen> all the Fs stay the same
  1026. [20:59:02] <[^> wau lmao
  1027. [20:59:06] <sysgen> It is the interruption in the cipher
  1028. [20:59:21] <[^> it cant be 1 over 2 or 2 over 1
  1029. [20:59:58] <[^> http://i.imgur.com/eVUD1zw.jpg ive translated this but dont know how to translate the letters
  1030. [20:59:59] <harvester> ^ Archived file(s): eVUD1zw ^
  1031. [21:00:20] <sol1ton> http://cicada3301.org/gematria/
  1032. [21:00:21] <|343373|> FIRFUMFERENFE is not a "key" really
  1033. [21:00:52] <[^> ived used that
  1034. [21:00:58] <[^> but now have letters/numbers
  1035. [21:01:01] <sysgen> But if FIRUMFERENFE is used in this cipher then the problem is solved isn't it
  1036. [21:01:11] <sol1ton> [^: you have a long way to go, my friend
  1037. [21:01:12] <sysgen> Because the problem was the 5
  1038. [21:01:22] <sysgen> And 5 is C
  1039. [21:01:35] <Desprit> ...
  1040. [21:01:56] <sol1ton> [^: you have transcribed the runes to their letter or numberical equivalent?
  1041. [21:02:04] <[^> yes
  1042. [21:02:05] <sol1ton> [^: that has been done before.. now you are atthe same point we are. stuck :)
  1043. [21:02:19] <[^> oh lol im stupid
  1044. [21:02:28] <sysgen> [^: You still have alot of road to do lol :)
  1045. [21:02:38] <sysgen> Read the Wiki and follow the steps
  1046. [21:02:48] <[^> in my perspective i didnt know where you were
  1047. [21:03:03] <sol1ton> [^: today's discussion is on the matrices of the earlier steps
  1048. [21:03:12] <sol1ton> [^: there wer ea few magic squares given.
  1049. [21:03:18] <sol1ton> [^: that add up to 1033, 3301, etc
  1050. [21:03:33] <sol1ton> [^: there seems to be a link between the squares and earlier Vigenere decryption we have missed
  1051. [21:03:44] <sysgen> [^: And about using the Digital root to get a list of shifts in order to decrypt a page
  1052. [21:03:59] <sol1ton> [^: in particular between the 1033 square and the CIRCUMFERENCE 'key'.
  1053. [21:04:08] <sol1ton> [^: if we can figure out the link, maybe we can extrapolate this to the 3301 square
  1054. [21:04:31] <sol1ton> because i'm completely fed up of these runes and hope to go back to base10 at some point or a least base16
  1055. [21:04:54] <sol1ton> sysgen: the digital root thing still eludes me.
  1056. [21:05:04] <sysgen> sol1ton: I can explain
  1057. [21:05:06] <[^> did you use the dots in thee page for anything
  1058. [21:05:29] <sol1ton> [^: dots are separators. also the text contaisn of multiple different encryptions. a new red capital typically means a new sectoin
  1059. [21:05:32] <Lurker69> we dont know yet what dots mean
  1060. [21:05:49] <Lurker69> which dots?
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  1062. [21:06:10] <[^> okay because there were three sets of different dot counts
  1063. [21:06:19] <[^> the dots in http://i.imgur.com/eVUD1zw.jpg
  1064. [21:06:20] <Lurker69> we dont know meaning of those dots http://i.imgur.com/H4HbfDW.jpg
  1065. [21:06:21] <TaiiwoBot> ^ Image of: indesign(35%) book(33%) ^
  1066. [21:06:26] <harvester> ^ Archived file(s): eVUD1zw ^
  1067. [21:06:27] <harvester> ^ Archived file(s): H4HbfDW ^
  1068. [21:06:58] <Lurker69> [^: thoser dots between runes are either . , or ""
  1069. [21:07:17] <Lurker69> or /new line
  1070. [21:09:45] <sol1ton> back to the squares
  1071. [21:10:17] <sysgen> yes
  1072. [21:10:25] <[^> where waas your image located at
  1073. [21:13:33] <sol1ton> okay.
  1074. [21:13:38] <sol1ton> so the CIRCUMFERENCE
  1075. [21:13:55] <sol1ton> is the shift in runes.
  1076. [21:14:13] <|343373|> Part of it
  1077. [21:14:15] <sol1ton> start at 0, F=0, U=1, TH=2, O=3, R=4,
  1078. [21:14:56] <sol1ton> and then it fits, just subtract the value of CIRCUMFERENCE rune. with the exception of the C that turns into F's.
  1079. [21:15:04] <sol1ton> that's why the 'A' in 'A koan' remains the same
  1080. [21:15:06] <sol1ton> ok.
  1081. [21:15:19] <[^> okay
  1082. [21:16:06] <sol1ton> so circumference is 5, 10, 4, 5, 1, 19, 0, 18, 4, 18, 9, 5, 18
  1083. [21:17:16] <sol1ton> or of course 29- that number
  1084. [21:17:22] <Lurker69> sol1ton: and sysgen note that your +n values at firfumferenfe and diuinity can smaller for one, if we use same notation as 34 used in his proof
  1085. [21:17:39] <Lurker69> yeah that 5 10 4 5 1 is same
  1086. [21:18:03] <sol1ton> 24, 19, 25, 24, 28, 10, 29, 11, 25, 11, 20, 24, 11
  1087. [21:18:24] <sysgen> Lurker69: Even if we substrace by 1 we have a 5 don't we
  1088. [21:18:35] <sysgen> Wait no
  1089. [21:19:00] <sysgen> i am su fucking dumb
  1090. [21:19:07] <sysgen> Oh
  1091. [21:19:13] <sysgen> No I am not
  1092. [21:19:24] <sysgen> There is C/K isn't there
  1093. [21:19:34] <sol1ton> ?
  1094. [21:19:39] <sysgen> In that case we can't fit it even if we subtract by 1
  1095. [21:19:52] <sysgen> The second C has a + value of 6
  1096. [21:20:10] <sysgen> So even if we substract by 1 we find a 5
  1097. [21:20:38] <sysgen> Unless circumference in that case is pronounced ssirssumference
  1098. [21:21:29] <sysgen> Can someone post Circumference in runes?
  1099. [21:21:47] <sysgen> Exactly the way it is in the liber primus
  1100. [21:22:13] <Lurker69> dont forget that sometimes he added two runes together for some reason like that ᚩ ᚫ | TH E | 1^ 22v | 1+4=5
  1101. [21:23:19] <sol1ton> Lurker69: you're doing the 1^ and 22v (1 up and 22 down?) but isn't 1 up the same as 28 down?
  1102. [21:24:47] <Lurker69> yes
  1103. [21:24:57] <[^> Within the deep web there exists a page that hashes to: 36367763ab73783c7af284446c 59466b4cd653239a311cb7116 d4618dee09a8425893dc7500b 464fdaf1672d7bef5e891c6e227 4568926a49fb4f45132c2a8b4 It is the duty of euery pilgrim to seek out this page.
  1104. [21:25:22] <[^> they spelled every wrong
  1105. [21:25:22] <Lurker69> but sometimes he uses ^sometimes v and sometimes ^and v, i dont know how he determines which one to use
  1106. [21:25:34] <Lurker69> i guess that one that forms the pattern that he wants
  1107. [21:25:42] <sol1ton> he is 34?
  1108. [21:25:57] <sysgen> [^: There is no v in the rune alphabet
  1109. [21:26:00] <Lurker69> yes
  1110. [21:26:12] <[^> oh im so smart
  1111. [21:27:35] <Lurker69> sysgen: FIRFUMFERENFE ᚠᛁᚱᚠᚢᛗᚠᛖᚱᛖᚾᚠᛖ CIRCUMFERENCE ᚲ`ᛁᚱᚲ`ᚢᛗᚠᛖᚱᛖᚾᚲ`ᛖ
  1112. [21:27:52] <Lurker69> C and I runes are a bit strange font
  1113. [21:27:54] <sol1ton> it doesn't make sense to me to move ^ and v (up and down) differently.. it's cyclical, just always go up or always go down
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  1115. [21:28:12] <sol1ton> since F rune is no shift, that is easily 0
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  1117. [21:28:39] <Lurker69> 0 or 29
  1118. [21:28:47] <sol1ton> mod29 is the same
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  1120. [21:29:15] <sol1ton> i usually start with 0. 34 usually sends with 29, i think. different notation
  1121. [21:29:27] <sysgen> Can't find ᚲ in the gematria primus
  1122. [21:29:30] <Lurker69> C= ᚲ`
  1123. [21:29:41] <Lurker69> i was using https://pornpetscauod443.onion.link/occult/ODIN_RuneWriter.php
  1124. [21:29:42] <TaiiwoBot> ^ Rune Writer ** Heidenwut https://tinyurl.com/j7tbz5q ^
  1125. [21:30:06] <sysgen> Lurker69: Cicada uses a different Runeset
  1126. [21:30:18] <sol1ton> so. how do we get from the 1033 matrix to CIRCUMFERENCE (or 5,10,4,5,1,19,0,18,4,18,9,5,18 or some other series)
  1127. [21:30:44] <sysgen> sol1ton: By removing 1 to every number
  1128. [21:30:51] <sysgen> :)
  1129. [21:30:51] <Lurker69> sol1ton: yeah 34 doesnt like 0, its not number or digit in base n system according to him, so he always uses largest digit ( 9 or 29 )
  1130. [21:31:10] <Lurker69> brb
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  1132. [21:31:28] <sysgen> Lurker69: If we start counting at 0 then CIRCUMFERENCE fits
  1133. [21:31:31] <sol1ton> actually.
  1134. [21:31:49] <sysgen> yes?
  1135. [21:31:58] <sol1ton> 1033 square was revealed in 167.jpg, and CIRFUMFERENCE was used to solve 107.jpg and 229.jpg
  1136. [21:32:05] <sol1ton> that doesn't make sense?
  1137. [21:32:20] <sol1ton> the square after the text was used to solve it?
  1138. [21:32:33] <sol1ton> what about DIUINITY
  1139. [21:33:16] <sysgen> sol1ton: All the pages from 0-17 were posted at the same time
  1140. [21:33:48] <sol1ton> btw, we have 2 squares that add up to 1033. the order 5 and order 7
  1141. [21:34:37] <sol1ton> makes more sense to find DIUINITY in order 5, and CIRCUMFERENCE in order 7?
  1142. [21:34:59] <|343373|> First magic square was onion3 servers .jpg
  1143. [21:39:55] <sol1ton> okay. numbering also seems to be F=29 and number down?
  1144. [21:40:13] <sol1ton> whichis the same way as shifting hte other way
  1145. [21:40:16] <sol1ton> duh
  1146. [21:40:30] <sol1ton> so i guess these are equivalent
  1147. [21:41:21] <sol1ton> i thikn we can probalby optimize 34's solution a little..;)
  1148. [21:43:17] <Lurker69> <sol1ton> 1033 square was revealed in 167.jpg, and CIRFUMFERENCE was used to solve 107.jpg and 229.jpg
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  1150. [21:43:37] <Lurker69> 1033 square was revealed in 229.jpg*, and CIRFUMFERENCE was used to solve 107.jpg and 167.jpg*
  1151. [21:44:12] <Lurker69> if this are correct filenames https://github.com/micheloosterhof/cicada-2014/tree/master/stage10
  1152. [21:44:13] <TaiiwoBot> ^ cicada-2014/stage10 at master · micheloosterhof/cicada-2014 · GitHub https://tinyurl.com/jc36tex ^
  1153. [21:44:40] <sol1ton> those filenames came from the server if i remember correclty
  1154. [21:44:53] <sol1ton> the 1033 was revealed earlire though
  1155. [21:45:10] <sol1ton> oh wait.s that's the 3301! not the 1033
  1156. [21:45:18] <Lurker69> yeah 3301
  1157. [21:45:31] <sol1ton> that explains it
  1158. [21:45:37] <sol1ton> so. back to 1033 square then
  1159. [21:45:43] <Lurker69> all three squares were in mp3, and that was before i think
  1160. [21:45:45] <sol1ton> 272 138 shadows 131 151
  1161. [21:45:46] <sol1ton> aethereal buffers void carnal 18
  1162. [21:45:46] <sol1ton> 226 obscura form 245 mobius
  1163. [21:45:46] <sol1ton> 18 analog void mournful aethereal
  1164. [21:45:46] <sol1ton> 151 131 cabal 138 272
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  1166. [21:46:35] <sol1ton> that came from the server status page
  1167. [21:46:46] <sol1ton> onion 3
  1168. [21:46:47] <sol1ton> as 34 said
  1169. [21:47:27] <Lurker69> there were also smaller 3x3 sqaures https://github.com/micheloosterhof/cicada-2014/tree/master/stage09
  1170. [21:47:31] <TaiiwoBot> ^ cicada-2014/stage09 at master · micheloosterhof/cicada-2014 · GitHub https://tinyurl.com/zxnavfz ^
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  1176. [21:49:07] <Lurker69> 10 12 10
  1177. [21:49:07] <Lurker69> 12 14 12
  1178. [21:49:07] <Lurker69> 10 12 10
  1179. [21:49:18] <shadowwalker> still alive eh
  1180. [21:49:19] <sol1ton> the numbers don't add up. they're not magical
  1181. [21:49:27] <Lurker69> all 4 the same, but with different border 3 3 0 1
  1182. [21:49:46] <Lurker69> hi shadow
  1183. [21:50:13] <shadowwalker> hey lurk :)
  1184. [21:50:39] <sysgen> hello shadowwalker
  1185. [21:50:53] <shadowwalker> o/
  1186. [21:51:04] <Lurker69> https://github.com/micheloosterhof/cicada-2014/blob/master/stage07/magicsquares.txt here is big 5x5 sqaure from mp3 if you want it
  1187. [21:51:05] <TaiiwoBot> ^ cicada-2014/magicsquares.txt at master · micheloosterhof/cicada-2014 · GitHub https://tinyurl.com/hwbkksj ^
  1188. [21:51:17] <shadowwalker> i know the wiki's updated and all but i'm going to continue updating the google doc
  1189. [21:51:24] <Lurker69> 7x7*
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  1191. [21:52:16] <Lurker69> >wiki updated
  1192. [21:52:23] <brotherBox> its not
  1193. [21:52:28] <brotherBox> the wiki is stil shit
  1194. [21:52:38] <Lurker69> it was worse actually, its not as bad as it could be
  1195. [21:52:39] <brotherBox> i will probably lock it down completely
  1196. [21:52:40] <shadowwalker> all the more reason to do my thing
  1197. [21:52:50] <brotherBox> or just kill it
  1198. [21:52:51] <sol1ton> DIUINITY = 23, 10, 1, 10, 9, 10, 16, 26
  1199. [21:52:53] <shadowwalker> i'll report later today, i have a couple of things im gonna do
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