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- [12:31:03] <|343373|> Its your choice to either try understand it and take the following seriouesly or not.
- [12:31:03] <|343373|> First of all you need to find the pattern in the first magic square, then see how its applied
- [12:31:03] <|343373|> to the original 17, then you use the one of original 16.jpg for the first 15 pages of 0-57
- [12:31:03] <|343373|> The magic square gives you the direction(aswell as part of the patterns to follow)
- [12:31:03] <|343373|> For example:
- [12:31:03] <|343373|> 2 3 8 5 7
- [12:31:05] <|343373|> 6 1 4 5 9
- [12:31:07] <|343373|> 1 2 1 2 1
- [12:31:09] <|343373|> 9 5 4 1 6
- [12:31:11] <|343373|> 7 5 8 3 2
- [12:31:13] <|343373|> is the first magic square simplified...(mod9 into our base10 numbers)
- [12:31:15] <|343373|> but thats only to find the simplified pattern, its not in mod9, mod9 allows you to find it and
- [12:31:17] <|343373|> confirm that its right, also to find how the pattern works
- [12:31:20] <|343373|> The part of the pattern that follows there is 4 8 3 7 2 6 1 5
- [12:31:21] <|343373|> Heres an example:
- [12:31:24] <|343373|> 2 3 8 5 7 2 3 8 5 7
- [12:31:25] <|343373|> 6 1 4 5 9 6 1 4 5 9
- [12:31:30] <|343373|> 1 2 1 2 1 1 2 1 2 1
- [12:31:31] <|343373|> 9 5 4 1 6 9 5 4 1 6
- [12:31:33] <|343373|> 7 5 8 3 2 7 5 8 3 2
- [12:31:35] <|343373|> 2 3 8 5 7 2 3 8 5 7
- [12:31:37] <|343373|> 6 1 4 5 9 6 1 4 5 9
- [12:31:39] <|343373|> 1 2 1 2 1 1 2 1 2 1
- [12:31:41] <|343373|> 9 5 4 1 6 9 5 4 1 6
- [12:31:43] <|343373|> 7 5 8 3 2 7 5 8 3 2
- [12:31:45] <|343373|> Or
- [12:31:47] <|343373|> 2 3 8 5 7 | 2 3 8 5 7
- [12:31:49] <|343373|> 6 1 4 5 9 | 6 1 4 5 9
- [12:31:51] <|343373|> 1 2 1 2 1 | 1 2 1 2 1
- [12:31:53] <|343373|> 9 5 4 1 6 | 9 5 4 1 6
- [12:31:55] <|343373|> 7 5 8 3 2 | 7 5 8 3 2
- [12:31:59] <|343373|> ----------+----------
- [12:32:01] <|343373|> 2 3 8 5 7 | 2 3 8 5 7
- [12:32:03] <|343373|> 6 1 4 5 9 | 6 1 4 5 9
- [12:32:05] <|343373|> 1 2 1 2 1 | 1 2 1 2 1
- [12:32:07] <|343373|> 9 5 4 1 6 | 9 5 4 1 6
- [12:32:09] <|343373|> 7 5 8 3 2 | 7 5 8 3 2
- [12:32:11] <|343373|> So for example:
- [12:32:13] <|343373|> 2 3 8 5 7 2 3 8 5 7
- [12:32:15] <|343373|> 6 1 4 5 9 6 1 4 5 9
- [12:32:17] <|343373|> 1 2 1 2 1 1 2 1 2 1
- [12:32:19] <|343373|> 9 5 (4) 1 6 9 5 4 1 6
- [12:32:21] <|343373|> 7 5 (8)(3) 2 7 5 8 3 2
- [12:32:23] <|343373|> 2 3 8 5 (7)(2) 3 8 5 7
- [12:32:25] <|343373|> 6 1 4 5 9 (6) 1 4 5 9
- [12:32:29] <|343373|> 1 2 1 2 1 (1) 2 1 2 1
- [12:32:31] <|343373|> 9 5 4 1 6 9 (5) 4 1 6
- [12:32:33] <|343373|> 7 5 8 3 2 7 5 8 3 2
- [12:32:35] <|343373|> On 1 square it could be:
- [12:32:37] <|343373|> (2) 3 8 5 (7)
- [12:32:39] <|343373|> (6) 1 4 5 9
- [12:32:41] <|343373|> (1) 2 1 2 1
- [12:32:43] <|343373|> 9 (5)(4) 1 6
- [12:32:45] <|343373|> 7 5 (8)(3) 2
- [12:32:47] <|343373|> Those are just examples, It is not an actual 100% answer that you can use without figuring out
- [12:32:49] <|343373|> how it works yourself.
- [12:32:51] <|343373|> Also, the first magic square is related to what happens in original 17,
- [12:32:53] <|343373|> The first magic square is 1033, the 2nd magic square is 3301, so its not hard to guess what
- [12:32:55] <|343373|> happens to pattern(whats the pattern supposed to be) in the 2nd magic square.
- [12:32:59] <|343373|> 2nd magic square is used to solve 0-14.jpg of the 0-57.jpg
- [12:34:26] <Lurker69> hmm
- [12:35:12] <cs314> |343373|: pastebin
- [12:35:29] <Lurker69> >but thats only to find the simplified pattern, its not in mod9, mod9 allows you to find it and confirm that its right, also to find how the pattern works
- [12:35:55] <Lurker69> so i guess check mod29 numbers on those positions
- [12:35:57] <Lurker69> brb
- [12:36:39] <brotherBox> nigger you are fucking insane are you
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- [12:52:01] <Lurker69> (11) 22 22 15 (6)
- [12:52:01] <Lurker69> (18) 25 14 1 18
- [12:52:01] <Lurker69> (23) 13 4 13 23
- [12:52:01] <Lurker69> 18 (1)(14) 25 18
- [12:52:01] <Lurker69> 6 15 (22)(22) 11
- [12:52:08] <Lurker69> same mag square in mod29
- [13:01:00] <Lurker69> http://pastebin.com/iuasc21L here is pastebin of both 343373s proofs/hints
- [13:01:01] <TaiiwoBot> ^ |343373|s clues towards solution of Cicada 3301 Liber Primus - Pastebin.com ^
- [13:01:02] <harvester> ^ Archived file(s): iuasc21L ^
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- [15:30:03] <manuzinea> heyyy
- [15:36:22] <|343373|> Oh lurker you can add this into the pastebin : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Repeating_decimal
- [15:36:24] <TaiiwoBot> ^ Repeating decimal - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ^
- [15:42:10] <Lurker69> |343373|: will do, ill put that pastebin on my account so i can edit it
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- [15:44:49] <Lurker69> http://pastebin.com/85KtHzua ok here is collection of 343373s public hints/proofs
- [15:44:50] <harvester> ^ Archived file(s): 85KtHzua ^
- [15:44:50] <TaiiwoBot> ^ SHARE TWEET |343373|s clues towards solution of Cicada 3301 - Pastebin.com ^
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- [16:28:17] <Lurker69> |343373|: i am having serious problems with finding /7 pattern in 2nd set of runes on page 56
- [16:28:19] <Lurker69> http://prntscr.com/bryzoq
- [16:28:20] <harvester> ^ Archived file(s): 88bd052941fd4d058b9a2e4ac15fc2a2 ^
- [16:28:31] <Lurker69> andi have a lot of questions
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- [16:30:00] <Lurker69> why is 6 missing in first set? (1)94(6)|1|832(7)159 I know you said it is not missing but i still dont see it betweeen 2 and 1 where it should be
- [16:31:38] <Lurker69> why are there 1 6 and 6 in () and 1 in || in first set, am i supposed to find same numbers in second set and dont include them in /7 pattern?
- [16:32:12] <Lurker69> my up down pattern for second set looks like
- [16:32:38] <Lurker69> ^ ^ v ^ and^ vandv vand^ ? v ^ ^ ^
- [16:33:30] <Lurker69> while one you stretched (rules not pattern) was
- [16:33:32] <Lurker69> ^ v* and ^* ^ ^ and v v and ^ ^ and v v v and ^ v and v ...
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- [16:35:14] <Lurker69> ^ ^andv ^ ^ and v v and ^ ^ and v v v and ^ v and v ... or that afer you said its 17^12v (8 3) not 12v17^(3 8)
- [16:37:38] <Lurker69> and whats with those repetitions of 1 and 1,6,7; i get that where you have 'o' at repetions you get (n) or |n| in pattern, and n is then not part of pattern, but i have no idea how you determine where 'o' is, its not on every 1 6 and 7
- [16:38:01] <|343373|> 4^ 8^/3v 23^29 ^2 21v12^ 14
- [16:38:07] <|343373|> sec
- [16:38:13] <|343373|> i didnt type fully
- [16:39:53] <Lurker69> http://prntscr.com/brz564 here in Patterns line first 7 has 8 in Rep line, while second 7 has o in Rep line
- [16:39:54] <harvester> ^ Archived file(s): b20345fda94a4328bf6ec1bba7cf6bd7 ^
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- [16:40:31] <sudosysgen> Hello
- [16:40:36] <|343373|> 4^ 8^/3v 23^29 ^2 21v12^ (14^20^) (^24) (^1/28v) ...
- [16:40:48] <sudosysgen> What?
- [16:42:35] <Lurker69> sudosysgen: http://pastebin.com/sALZSyrP
- [16:42:35] <TaiiwoBot> ^ <Lurker69> http://pastebin.com/85KtHzua ok here is collection of 343373s public - Pastebin.com ^
- [16:42:35] <harvester> ^ Archived file(s): sALZSyrP ^
- [16:42:36] <harvester> ^ Archived file(s): 85KtHzua ^
- [16:43:02] <|343373|> 13^ 17^/12v 23^29 ^2 21v12^ (14^20^) (^24) (^1/28v) ...
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- [16:45:00] <sudosysgen> Well that truly is interesting
- [16:45:02] <Dethmasque> flim flam i was flabbin a blam
- [16:48:00] <sudosysgen> So all of this is about page 56 right
- [16:52:53] <Lurker69> yeah
- [16:53:16] <sudosysgen> Lurker69: I'll try to understand
- [16:53:46] <Lurker69> well not second part of http://pastebin.com/85KtHzua, thats about first magic square from page 3 that is supposed to be key for first 17 already solved pages
- [16:53:46] <harvester> ^ Archived file(s): 85KtHzua ^
- [16:54:19] <sudosysgen> So the pages have two meanings?
- [16:54:21] <|343373|> 13^ 17^/12v 23^29 ^2 21v12^ (14^20^) (^24) (^1/28v) 20v16^ 14v ...
- [16:54:39] <Lurker69> those things about page 56 should be connected to magic square on page 16
- [16:54:49] <|343373|> Lurker did you get it?
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- [16:55:21] <Lurker69> sudosysgen: not two meanings, 34 claims that there are two ways to decrypt first 17 pages, our way (not correct way) and his way (pattern approach)
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- [16:55:54] <sudosysgen> Lurker69: Huh. And his way is supposed to work in other pages right?
- [16:56:14] <sudosysgen> Or at least his approach to finding his way
- [16:56:32] <|343373|> 1 12 12 1 12 12 1 12 12 1 in this set and a 761, also 9 5 instead of 5 9
- [16:56:53] <Lurker69> |343373|: i am working on it http://prntscr.com/brzdx7
- [16:56:54] <harvester> ^ Archived file(s): bf4beb7637f44eb58a001eee6c588d4b ^
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- [16:57:34] <|343373|> by 12 i mean n?/n? or n?n?
- [16:57:45] <|343373|> by 1 just n?
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- [16:59:51] <sudosysgen> In the pastebin, there is a line where you talk about the 'Rep of 1'
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- [17:00:49] <Lurker69> yeah
- [17:00:49] <sudosysgen> what is the logic behind finding it
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- [17:01:01] <Lurker69> o 1 2 3 o 1 2 3 4 o 1 2 3 ... Rep of 1
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- [17:01:12] <Lurker69> i dont know yet whats logic behind it
- [17:01:17] <sudosysgen> Yeah
- [17:01:30] <sudosysgen> Seems to be the count of the letters of each word in some places
- [17:01:36] <sudosysgen> But it doesn't line up
- [17:01:47] <sudosysgen> Oh it does
- [17:01:54] <Lurker69> it seems taht it influences line with patterns, o in Rep line has () or || in Patterns line
- [17:01:54] <sudosysgen> If you shift it it does
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- [17:02:21] <sudosysgen> Lurker69: I am talking about 'Rep of 1'
- [17:02:31] <sudosysgen> Not about Rep of 167
- [17:02:43] <sudosysgen> Wait yeah
- [17:02:49] <sudosysgen> ignore what I just said
- [17:03:03] <Lurker69> no you are right
- [17:03:31] <sudosysgen> So it seems that Rep of 1 is the count of the runes relative to each word
- [17:03:53] <sudosysgen> but shifted as if there is a point before the first rune
- [17:03:55] <Lurker69> rep of 1 has three 'o's, 2 of them are above (1) and |1| third is above 1 in Patterns
- [17:04:20] <sudosysgen> Yeah wait I minut while I transcribe it
- [17:04:56] <sudosysgen> Altough I have a question for you |343373|
- [17:05:13] <sudosysgen> What brings you to know that your method is the right one while ours is incorrect
- [17:05:29] <Lurker69> 'reasons'
- [17:05:36] <sudosysgen> Yeah exactly
- [17:05:59] <sudosysgen> Anyways I will try to understand by simple curiosity, and maybe I will understand why it is superior
- [17:06:19] <Lurker69> he claims he solved LP. and is far ahead and has access to some onion page where are rules about clues he is allowed to give us... long story, and he isnt gonna provide any proves that it is true
- [17:06:36] <sudosysgen> Lurker69: Well then, let's find out
- [17:06:49] <sudosysgen> But if the Liber Primus truly has two encodings
- [17:06:53] <Lurker69> sudosysgen: i am trying to do that for a month
- [17:06:55] <sudosysgen> Well played cicada
- [17:07:03] <sudosysgen> Well played
- [17:07:20] <sudosysgen> Lurker69: I'll join you
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- [17:08:59] <Lurker69> sudosysgen: its long path that starts somewhere there: https://archive.4plebs.org/x/thread/17600669/#17613881
- [17:13:41] <sudosysgen> 7/7 = 1 doesn't it
- [17:14:01] <sudosysgen> I don't understand what brings you from this post to cicada3301, Lurker69
- [17:15:00] <Lurker69> those links are also part of same thing https://archive.4plebs.org/x/thread/17561815/#17564188 http://archive.4plebs.org/x/thread/17688885/#17690822 http://archive.4plebs.org/x/thread/17660686/#17665990
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- [17:15:34] <Lurker69> 7/7 is relevant to /7 pattern (Pattern of /7=948372615)
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- [17:16:30] <Lurker69> fu-xi and 343373 came out with this 7/7 thing https://7a35090f.io/topic/16/irc-cicadasolvers-08-05-2016-user-fu-xi
- [17:16:31] <sudosysgen> Oh
- [17:16:32] <TaiiwoBot> ^ IRC - #cicadasolvers - 08.05.2016: User Fu-Xi | 7A35090F https://tinyurl.com/gvy6z6l ^
- [17:16:51] <Lurker69> that /7 pattern is made out of Digital roots
- [17:17:03] <sudosysgen> You mean that when you divide by 7 in base10, the pattern of the decimals is 948372615
- [17:17:05] <Lurker69> Dr 1/7 Dr2/7 Dr3/7 ..... Dr 9/7
- [17:17:17] <sudosysgen> What is Dr?
- [17:17:20] <Lurker69> and result is 948372615
- [17:17:32] <sudosysgen> Oh digital roots
- [17:17:38] <Lurker69> on 7th place, Dr 7/7 = 6
- [17:17:57] <Lurker69> yeah digital root, or mod9 (in base 10) or just adding digits togather
- [17:17:58] <brotherBox> i promise you, whatever he's trying to say you could say simpler
- [17:18:10] <sudosysgen> brotherBox: Seems so but
- [17:18:32] <Lurker69> he is misterious motherfucker, and there is no proof that he isnt just trolling
- [17:18:32] <sudosysgen> Sometimes you need to be more complicated in order to communicate more than meets the eye
- [17:18:49] <sudosysgen> Lurker69: Anyways if his method works then he isn't trolling
- [17:19:05] <brotherBox> sudosysgen: almost never
- [17:19:06] <sudosysgen> We don't have naything else to do, do we?
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- [17:19:21] <sudosysgen> brotherBox: If you want to prepare someone then yes
- [17:19:26] <Lurker69> sudosysgen: true, but so far i havent figured how his method works
- [17:19:31] <brotherBox> especially that up/down terminology seems meaningless to me
- [17:19:48] <sudosysgen> brotherBox: And if he wants us to solve the Liber Primus then yes
- [17:20:49] <sudosysgen> the up down terminology is from the shift isn't it
- [17:20:59] <sudosysgen> How des he figure out what the shift is?
- [17:21:50] <sudosysgen> (1^) 27v 4^ (6^) 10^/19v 17v/12^ 16^ 11v (7v) 1v 1^22v 18v ... Shift
- [17:21:58] <sudosysgen> what is the logic behind this fuckery
- [17:22:45] <Lurker69> sometimes you have ^/v under one rune which means that both shifts are counted
- [17:22:58] <sudosysgen> Lurker69: What is a shift anyways
- [17:23:12] <Lurker69> sometimes you have ^ and v across two runes which means you have to add shifts of those two runes togather
- [17:23:29] <sudosysgen> Lurker69: Yes but what is a shift
- [17:23:40] <Lurker69> shift is how much you move in geamtri from ciphered rune to unciphered rune
- [17:23:45] <sudosysgen> Oh right
- [17:23:48] <sudosysgen> silly me
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- [17:24:36] <cs7709> wed
- [17:24:42] <sudosysgen> hi cs7709
- [17:25:12] <sudosysgen> Well then here is the answer of 7/7 right
- [17:25:38] <sudosysgen> 7 divided by 7 is 1
- [17:25:45] <sudosysgen> and 1(mod9) is
- [17:25:59] <Lurker69> Dr 7/7=6 (in prime division) and Dr 7/7=1 (in non prime division) non/prime division is term only he is uisng
- [17:27:13] <sudosysgen> Lurker69: What is prime division?
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- [17:27:20] <sudosysgen> Google doesn't seem to know
- [17:27:39] <Lurker69> 1/7=9 becasue 7 is full reptend prime, meaning that decimals repeting are ptime-1 period long
- [17:28:20] <Lurker69> prime divsion is among many other term that only 34 is using, he has alot of theory that google or conventional math doesnt know anything about
- [17:28:38] <sudosysgen> And he is the one behind it
- [17:28:47] <sudosysgen> And yet I do not understand his concept
- [17:29:06] <Lurker69> anyway 1/7= 0.142857 142857 142857 142857...
- [17:29:16] <Lurker69> Dr 142857 = 9
- [17:29:17] <sudosysgen> Yeah I understand that
- [17:29:26] <sudosysgen> So 1/7 is 9
- [17:29:36] <sudosysgen> In his crooked division
- [17:29:44] <Lurker69> and 142857 is cyclic number, meaning that when you multiply it with 1-6 digits stay the same they just change places
- [17:30:14] <sudosysgen> Right
- [17:30:31] <sudosysgen> So his 'prime division' is actually just :
- [17:30:35] <Desprit> 1-6 cuz /n-1
- [17:30:43] <Lurker69> 2/7= 0.2857 142857 142857.... you truncate 142857... away (you can do this only beacuse 7 is full reptend)
- [17:30:57] <Desprit> repetition is also 6 digits long
- [17:31:07] <sudosysgen> Desprit: Yes
- [17:31:12] <Lurker69> Dr 2857= 4
- [17:31:23] <sudosysgen> So 2/7 = 4
- [17:31:42] <sudosysgen> So you basically do normal division
- [17:31:54] <Lurker69> yes ynad if you do same trick for all n/7 you get full pattern 948372615
- [17:32:06] <sudosysgen> If add them together?
- [17:32:08] <Lurker69> but at 7/7 it doesnt work
- [17:32:18] <sudosysgen> Yes it does
- [17:32:27] <Lurker69> you have to 'go' to next cycle and do 16/7
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- [17:32:57] <sudosysgen> The digital root of 7/7 is 1
- [17:33:06] <sudosysgen> It works just as well
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- [17:33:14] <sudosysgen> the results are simply unexpected
- [17:33:32] <Desprit> lol
- [17:33:33] <sudosysgen> Lurker69: What brings you to think that 7/7 is some sort of exception?
- [17:33:43] <Lurker69> ill explain
- [17:33:45] <Desprit> simple math
- [17:33:50] <sudosysgen> Go on
- [17:34:29] <Lurker69> non prime pattern for /7 is 483726159 prime pattern for /7 is 948372615 (difference is only in position of 9
- [17:34:42] <sudosysgen> right
- [17:35:45] <Lurker69> its important with what number you start the pattern, since 7 is full reptend we can do that trunctuation trick and get digital roots of number with never ending decimals
- [17:36:23] <Lurker69> if you do that 142857 truntuation you get pattern 948372(1)15
- [17:36:34] <Lurker69> (1) beacuase you ger 7/7=1 there
- [17:36:41] <sudosysgen> Yes
- [17:37:00] <sudosysgen> Which is not 483726159 with the 9 shifted at the start right
- [17:37:35] <Lurker69> yeah (1) doesnt fit
- [17:37:45] <Lurker69> this is what he told me why
- [17:37:46] <Lurker69> [19:45.53] <|343373|> use 16 instead of 7 when you do 7/7
- [17:37:59] <Lurker69> 16/7=2.2857142857...
- [17:38:05] <cs7709> http://www.70x7.com/70x7meaning.htm
- [17:38:05] <TaiiwoBot> ^ The meaning of Seventy Times Seven ^
- [17:38:25] <Lurker69> Dr 2.2857 = 6
- [17:38:44] <sudosysgen> Yes
- [17:39:02] <Lurker69> You can do that beacuse Dr16 = Dr 7 = 7, they are both on same position in cylce
- [17:39:21] <Lurker69> same as 25, 34, 43, 52, 61, 70
- [17:39:47] <Desprit> do 1/25
- [17:39:56] <cs7709> Jesus answered, "I tell you, not seven times, but seventy-seven times.
- [17:39:58] <sudosysgen> So if two numbers have the same Digital root then the result of the prime division is the same
- [17:40:03] <sudosysgen> because
- [17:40:38] <sudosysgen> wait a minute
- [17:40:48] <Lurker69> yeah not only prime division, normal division and multiplication too
- [17:41:01] <Lurker69> that is one of neat properties of digitall roots
- [17:41:03] <sudosysgen> Lurker69: You mean their pattern is the same
- [17:41:11] <Lurker69> Dr 9*n = Dr n
- [17:41:23] <sudosysgen> Yeah of course
- [17:41:29] <sudosysgen> because Dr = mod9
- [17:41:30] <Lurker69> yeah pattern of /7 /61 /16 /52 are all the same
- [17:41:40] <sudosysgen> Because they have the same mod9 right
- [17:41:55] <Lurker69> but only /7 has prime divison pattern, other have only normal division one
- [17:42:04] <sudosysgen> huh
- [17:42:16] <sudosysgen> Because 7 is a full reptend prime right
- [17:42:26] <Lurker69> prime divison pattern is possible only with full reptend primes (and half full reptend primes when tehy are emirps)
- [17:42:35] <Lurker69> and prime divison pattern always starts with 9
- [17:42:56] <sudosysgen> and that the division of a full reptend prime by a number of witch mod(n) does not give
- [17:42:59] <sudosysgen> 0
- [17:43:12] <sudosysgen> Always gives a cyclical number
- [17:43:13] <Lurker69> /61 is same as /7 since both are full reptend primes
- [17:43:16] <sudosysgen> Yes
- [17:43:28] <sudosysgen> And they both have the same mod9 or digital root
- [17:43:37] <Lurker69> yeah
- [17:43:51] <sudosysgen> Do all full reptend prime have the same mod9
- [17:43:54] <sudosysgen> Wait
- [17:43:56] <sudosysgen> yes they do
- [17:44:18] <sudosysgen> in base10 because there is only 1 cyclical number in base10
- [17:44:24] <Lurker69> yes all cycli9cal numbers have mod9 = 9 (i am not sure why but they do)
- [17:44:25] <Desprit> no
- [17:44:38] <sudosysgen> Desprit: ?
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- [17:44:53] <sudosysgen> Lurker69: Because there is only one cyclical number
- [17:44:58] <sudosysgen> That is the reason
- [17:45:03] <sudosysgen> in base 10
- [17:45:11] <Lurker69> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cyclic_number
- [17:45:12] <TaiiwoBot> ^ Cyclic number - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ^
- [17:45:13] <sudosysgen> Unless you allow padding with zeroes
- [17:45:45] <Lurker69> 0588235294117647 052631578947368421 0434782608695652173913.. .are all cyclical
- [17:46:01] <sudosysgen> Lurker69: That is because you allow padding with zeroes
- [17:46:28] <Desprit> full repentant primes do not have the same dr
- [17:46:52] <sudosysgen> Desprit: Example?
- [17:47:22] <Lurker69> full reptend primes no, but Dr 1/(full reptend prime) is always 9 in prime division
- [17:47:29] <Desprit> 17 19 23 29
- [17:47:39] <Desprit> 953
- [17:47:43] <sudosysgen> Desprit: But that is not the important part
- [17:47:48] <sudosysgen> Oh wait
- [17:47:52] <sudosysgen> yeah you are right
- [17:48:13] <Desprit> lurker is roght
- [17:48:16] <Desprit> right
- [17:48:26] <sudosysgen> Which doesn't change that every division with a reptend number will give a variant of the cyclical number
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- [17:49:12] <sudosysgen> Desprit: Crash?
- [17:49:24] <Desprit> No.
- [17:49:33] <sudosysgen> Oh you changed devices
- [17:49:37] <sudosysgen> Silly me
- [17:49:37] <Desprit> y
- [17:49:41] <Desprit> ^^'
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- [17:51:12] <sudosysgen> Another neat thing with the Digital roots
- [17:51:30] <sudosysgen> The way to find a Dr in a ny given base
- [17:51:51] <sudosysgen> is to do mod(base-1)
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- [17:52:02] <sudosysgen> Neat
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- [17:52:40] <sudosysgen> Well then
- [17:53:15] <sudosysgen> And what I understand is the prime division works only if you divide using a full reptend number
- [17:53:22] <sudosysgen> right
- [17:54:19] <sudosysgen> Lurker69: What are those links you said were the start?
- [17:54:26] <sudosysgen> I can't see them anymore
- [17:54:46] <Lurker69> this were first metnions of 7/7=? i can find on net
- [17:54:58] <sudosysgen> Lurker69: Huh
- [17:54:59] <Lurker69> <Lurker69> those links are also part of same thing https://archive.4plebs.org/x/thread/17561815/#17564188 http://archive.4plebs.org/x/thread/17688885/#17690822 http://archive.4plebs.org/x/thread/17660686/#17665990
- [17:55:21] <Lurker69> he/they started with this pattern approach in april
- [17:55:48] <Lurker69> https://7a35090f.io/topic/16/irc-cicadasolvers-08-05-2016-user-fu-xi this is from #solvers
- [17:55:50] <TaiiwoBot> ^ IRC - #cicadasolvers - 08.05.2016: User Fu-Xi | 7A35090F https://tinyurl.com/gvy6z6l ^
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- [17:56:30] <sxnwlfkk> weechat
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- [17:59:15] <Lurker69> yeah sudosysgen, if you plan to stay on IRC for longer start thinking about getting IRC client
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- [17:59:35] <Lurker69> or bouncer, i think CrAzYPiLoT uses one
- [17:59:48] <Desprit> Why?
- [17:59:54] <Lurker69> https://bnc.fnordserver.net/
- [17:59:55] <TaiiwoBot> ^ ZNC - Web Frontend ^
- [18:00:03] <Lurker69> this one looks free
- [18:00:31] <Lurker69> Desprit: why? its more stable than webchat and you have logs
- [18:00:43] <sudosysgen> Lurker69: Yeah I have weechat now
- [18:00:55] <Desprit> http://www.mirc.com/
- [18:00:56] <TaiiwoBot> ^ mIRC: Internet Relay Chat client ^
- [18:01:08] <Desprit> I used this one 15 years ago
- [18:01:15] <Desprit> when i was hitting on girls through IRC
- [18:01:21] <sudosysgen> Desprit: lol
- [18:01:26] <sudosysgen> >hitting on girls
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- [18:01:28] <sudosysgen> >IRC
- [18:01:28] <Lurker69> yeah but i think it bothers you with "please pay for me " now
- [18:01:34] <onon> the usmil uses mirc too
- [18:01:42] <sudosysgen> Lurker69: I use weechat you know
- [18:01:47] <|343373|> back, what did I miss?
- [18:02:07] <sudosysgen> |343373|: Pointless discussion about the properties of prime division
- [18:02:16] <Desprit> It's paid ?! lol
- [18:02:17] <Lurker69> |343373|: we are trying to explain sudosysgen how patterns work
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- [18:02:24] <sudosysgen> Yeah cause i'm dumb
- [18:02:49] <sudosysgen> Ok you know what
- [18:02:57] <sudosysgen> I found how to access the whole of the chat
- [18:02:59] <sudosysgen> sorry
- [18:03:18] <sudosysgen> So
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- [18:03:34] <sudosysgen> Lurker69: Why can you remove cyclical numbers from the prime division?
- [18:03:43] <sudosysgen> When you do 2/7 for example
- [18:04:10] <Lurker69> sudosysgen: anyway, similar to /7 patterns you have different patterns for every digit diviosion /1 /2 /3 /4 /5 /6 /7 /8 /9 and even multiplication n*1 n*2 n*3.... n*9
- [18:04:29] <sudosysgen> Lurker69: Yes I understand that
- [18:04:40] <sudosysgen> And also for a single digit of an exponent
- [18:04:45] <Lurker69> why we can cut decimals after first occurance of cyclical number? idk, i was told you can do it
- [18:05:21] <sudosysgen> |343373|: Why can we truncate at the first occurence of a cyclical number?
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- [18:07:06] <sudosysgen> Lurker69: Well doing something just because it was said so is kind of a problem for figuring out properties
- [18:07:16] <sudosysgen> Anyways
- [18:07:22] <|343373|> because 0.(9)(9)(9)(9)(9)(9)(9)....., (9) being a complete full set which repeats infinitly, remove 1 or cut its tail and nothing changes other than its being infinite
- [18:07:34] <Lurker69> yeah you are right, verify everything
- [18:07:40] <|343373|> I think thats what he was asking
- [18:07:43] <|343373|> they*
- [18:08:11] <sudosysgen> |343373|: Right. But that is a different case because the series that is .99999... averages to 1
- [18:08:22] <sudosysgen> |343373|: Or rather, goes to 1
- [18:08:42] <|343373|> it doesnt, (9) can be "1" because its a complete set
- [18:08:59] <sudosysgen> But by truncating at the sight of cyclical number is different
- [18:09:13] <sudosysgen> Because you remove an infinite number of digits
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- [18:09:51] <|343373|> 10 = 0(9) if you look at its nature, not just count complete "1"s (which then its not equal)
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- [18:10:15] <sudosysgen> 10 = 0.9999.. yes
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- [18:10:34] <sudosysgen> but 10 != 0.9999
- [18:10:35] <Desprit> 1.0
- [18:10:48] <|343373|> 0.(9) = 1[OR (9)].0
- [18:10:49] <sudosysgen> Desprit: Even then
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- [18:11:03] <|343373|> 1 set of (9)
- [18:11:10] <sudosysgen> |343373|: I understand what you mean
- [18:11:34] <sudosysgen> But If i were to remove that infinite set of 9 and replace if by a finite set of 9s
- [18:11:43] <sudosysgen> then it wouldn't be equal to 1 awnymore
- [18:12:02] <Desprit> its not about the amount of 9s
- [18:12:11] <sudosysgen> Desprit: ?
- [18:12:17] <|343373|> 0.9999... *2 = 1.9999...8, 8 is cut off the infinity and dedicated to "1".9999... and is its 8 unused digits, while 0.9999... is the 2nd set of 1.9999... making it 2
- [18:12:53] <sudosysgen> |343373|: Yes
- [18:13:23] <sudosysgen> |343373|: But if I was to say 0.1299999999... = 0.13 I would be right
- [18:13:40] <sudosysgen> Where as If I was to say 0.129999 = 0.13 I wouldn't
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- [18:13:56] <|343373|> do 0.9999.... *2 = 0.999....8 or do 0.9999 *2 = 1.9998 the nature of it stays the same
- [18:14:11] <Lurker69> sudosysgen: here is some 'proof' that 1/prime is 9, i found in some math journal http://imgur.com/3V7Omxs, i am not 100% sure he is right on every statement (Dr 1/5=/=0 as he claims) but seems to pint in right direction
- [18:14:12] <TaiiwoBot> ^ Imgur: The most awesome images on the Internet ^
- [18:14:13] <harvester> ^ Archived file(s): 3V7Omxs ^
- [18:14:54] <sudosysgen> |343373|: What I fail to comprehend is how this example means anything to the truncating of a repeating number
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- [18:15:13] <sudosysgen> 0.9999... * 2 = 1.9999999...8 = 2
- [18:15:27] <sudosysgen> But 0.9999... != 0.99
- [18:15:51] <sudosysgen> Which is why I don't see why you can truncate the repeating numbers when computing a digital root
- [18:15:53] <Lurker69> also there is slight typo in proof i posted, if you will go thorough it, he forgot one 0 at 100 000 once
- [18:16:02] <|343373|> 0.12 99999999... will be 4, but 0.12961296129612961296... (1296 being 9) can be cut at the 1296
- [18:16:02] <sudosysgen> Oh wait
- [18:16:33] <sudosysgen> Actually you can truncate only cyclical numbers
- [18:16:47] <|343373|> Thats what I was saying.
- [18:16:55] <sudosysgen> because mod9(cyclical number) = 9
- [18:17:02] <|343373|> only cyclical which are a full set of (9)
- [18:17:04] <sudosysgen> and mod9(9) = 0
- [18:17:11] <sudosysgen> |343373|: Right sorry
- [18:17:13] <|343373|> also thats only in Base10
- [18:17:16] <sudosysgen> now I understand
- [18:17:23] <sudosysgen> |343373|: yes of course
- [18:17:39] <Desprit> the 0.9999... is actually 0.(9)(9)....
- [18:17:40] <|343373|> In other base it will be only base (n-1) set
- [18:18:05] <sudosysgen> because Dr is always only mod(base-1) and that this number has a mod9 of 9
- [18:18:11] <sudosysgen> Oh you beat me to it
- [18:18:17] <Lurker69> sudosysgen: yeah all this logic has to be used in base30 mod29 for runes, here is a table with patterns https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/16NoQBBAu9cDgaX2XWiUytYKb7N09fZlhezteX3CP_GM/edit?usp=sharing
- [18:18:20] <TaiiwoBot> ^ C3301 Patterns - Google Sheets https://tinyurl.com/hccv3y7 ^
- [18:18:24] <sudosysgen> Ok great I understand now
- [18:19:15] <sudosysgen> Wait a minute
- [18:19:27] <sudosysgen> this looks oddly like the table of interrupts made by aaaa
- [18:19:31] <sudosysgen> lemme check
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- [18:20:30] <sudosysgen> Welp I lost it
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- [18:21:39] <sudosysgen> Lurker69: So about the patterns
- [18:22:27] <sudosysgen> (1^) 27v 4^ (6^) 10^/19v 17v/12^ 16^ 11v (7v) 1v 1^22v 18v ... Shift
- [18:22:40] <sudosysgen> It seems that they are the digital root of the Shift
- [18:22:50] <sudosysgen> (1) 9 4 (6) |1| 8 3 7 2 (7) 1 5 9 ... Patterns
- [18:22:55] <sudosysgen> Dr 27 = 9
- [18:23:02] <sudosysgen> Dr 10 = 1
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- [18:23:20] <sudosysgen> Dr 19 = 1
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- [18:23:26] <sudosysgen> Dr 17 = 8
- [18:23:32] <sudosysgen> Dr 12 = 3
- [18:23:39] <sudosysgen> Dr 16 = 7
- [18:23:43] <sudosysgen> Dr 11 = 2
- [18:24:16] <sudosysgen> But this one doesn't work:
- [18:24:24] <sudosysgen> 1^22v
- [18:24:34] <sudosysgen> Dr 22 = 4
- [18:24:35] <Lurker69> 1+4=5
- [18:24:39] <sudosysgen> Yeah right
- [18:25:03] <sudosysgen> Why is there two numbers in the shift?
- [18:25:08] <Lurker69> for some (to me unknown) reson sometimes you have n^/mv and you do Dr of n+m
- [18:25:18] <Lurker69> and n+m can spread thropugh two runes
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- [18:27:31] <sudosysgen> Lurker69: Seems simple
- [18:27:45] <sudosysgen> Is the shift derived from the pattern or is the pattern derived from the shift
- [18:27:50] <sudosysgen> ?
- [18:28:06] <sudosysgen> If the shift is derived from the pattern then I know wy
- [18:28:44] <Lurker69> http://pastebin.com/edit/DFJiPUf0 here i am trying to expand his proof to next set of runes
- [18:28:44] <harvester> ^ Archived file(s): edit ^
- [18:28:45] <TaiiwoBot> ^ Pastebin.com - Login Page ^
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- [18:29:15] <sudosysgen> >To get to the requested page you must first login.
- [18:29:19] <sudosysgen> shit
- [18:29:24] <Lurker69> copy it to some text editor to get rid of cut lines
- [18:29:26] <Lurker69> hmm
- [18:29:44] <Lurker69> http://pastebin.com/DFJiPUf0
- [18:29:45] <TaiiwoBot> ^ 1 2 4 6 10 12 16 18 22 28 30 36 40 | 42 46 - Pastebin.com ^
- [18:29:45] <harvester> ^ Archived file(s): DFJiPUf0 ^
- [18:29:46] <|343373|> Lurker Ive been going through the log and you derped
- [18:29:58] <|343373|> 61 is full reptend
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- [18:30:43] <|343373|> oh wait nvm
- [18:30:53] <|343373|> i didnt read all the way down LOL sorry
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- [18:31:04] <Lurker69> yeah i think i mentioned that
- [18:31:36] <Lurker69> also primes that are full reptend are full reptend only in bas10, in other base systems there are other full reptend primes
- [18:31:40] <Lurker69> i think :-/
- [18:31:50] <sudosysgen> Lurker69: You are rigjt
- [18:32:10] <|343373|> mhm other base systems have other "primes"
- [18:32:32] <sudosysgen> Because a full reptend prime must have a cyclical number when it is used to divide a number that it isn't divisible with
- [18:32:43] <sudosysgen> But cylical numbers are different in other bases
- [18:32:53] <sudosysgen> Thus full reptend primes are different
- [18:33:08] <|343373|> also the type of system is important too, if its balanced(even) or not balanced(odd)
- [18:33:34] <sudosysgen> |343373|: How is it different
- [18:33:37] <sudosysgen> ?
- [18:33:50] <Lurker69> i think i figured this out when i was traing to figure out why Dr1/7 *2 =/= Dr 2/7 (in prime division), i think that in base 14 it worked just as expected
- [18:34:27] <|343373|> base3 = 0 and 12, or -1 0 +1, base4 = 0 and 123, or -1 3OR0 +1
- [18:35:08] <sudosysgen> Zero isn't a prime, so how can it be a full reptend prim?
- [18:35:13] <sudosysgen> *prime
- [18:35:22] <Desprit> 3 is 0
- [18:35:26] <|343373|> it affects how the system works
- [18:35:26] <Desprit> neutrality
- [18:35:42] <sudosysgen> You mean 3 in base 3 is 10
- [18:36:00] <sudosysgen> not 0
- [18:36:07] <sudosysgen> Or did I miss something
- [18:36:11] <|343373|> theres no "3" in base3
- [18:36:15] <|343373|> but yes
- [18:36:22] <sudosysgen> Ok that's what I tought
- [18:36:23] <|343373|> 10 would be 3
- [18:36:51] <sudosysgen> |343373|: Yes of course
- [18:36:55] <|343373|> in base3 theres no neutral unit
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- [18:37:05] <sudosysgen> and when you say
- [18:37:15] <sudosysgen> or -1 0 +1
- [18:37:18] <Desprit> I mean it for base4
- [18:37:30] <sudosysgen> what do you mean exactly
- [18:37:33] <|343373|> they can cancel eachother only into nothing in base3
- [18:37:47] <|343373|> base4 allows an existing neutral
- [18:37:56] <Desprit> yeah exactly
- [18:37:59] <sudosysgen> What do you mean they cancel eachother
- [18:38:06] <|343373|> which has same properties as 9 in our base10
- [18:38:39] <|343373|> nevermind, its nor important for LP atm
- [18:38:44] <|343373|> not*
- [18:38:48] <sudosysgen> Ok
- [18:39:06] <sudosysgen> So what is the logic behind constituing a pattern
- [18:39:41] <|343373|> >Zero isn't a prime, so how can it be a full reptend prime? I wasnt talking about primes but about that the way the primes work in a system changes.
- [18:40:14] <|343373|> Primes shift to other number/digit
- [18:41:00] <|343373|> The patterns logic always stays the same but expands
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- [18:41:29] <Desprit> expandsthrough what
- [18:41:31] <sudosysgen> Sorry
- [18:41:45] <|343373|> wb,
- [18:41:46] <sudosysgen> Can you repeat your last posts |343373|
- [18:41:46] <|343373|> <|343373|> >Zero isn't a prime, so how can it be a full reptend prime? I wasnt talking about primes but about that the way the primes work in a system changes.
- [18:41:47] <|343373|> <|343373|> Primes shift to other number/digit
- [18:41:47] <|343373|> <|343373|> The patterns logic always stays the same but expands
- [18:42:25] <sudosysgen> |343373|: When you say that primes change when a system change, which type of prime are you talking baout
- [18:42:28] <sudosysgen> *about
- [18:42:36] <sudosysgen> I assume special primes
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- [18:43:13] <sudosysgen> such as emirps and full reptend primes
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- [18:44:09] <sudosysgen> |343373|: What do you mean when you say 'There is no neutral unit in base3'
- [18:44:26] <|343373|> The type of the of number changes, be it prime/reptend etc... by adding more symbols the internal structure shifts.
- [18:44:46] <sudosysgen> |343373|: Of course it does
- [18:45:39] <|343373|> having a balanced neutral or not having a balanced neutral affects the shift
- [18:45:50] <|343373|> (shoft of the primes)
- [18:45:57] <|343373|> shift*
- [18:46:27] <|343373|> Its seriously not important atm
- [18:46:32] <sudosysgen> Well ok
- [18:46:39] <sudosysgen> But I don't really understand
- [18:46:41] <sudosysgen> OK then
- [18:48:29] <sudosysgen> So how do you figure out the pattern
- [18:48:46] <sudosysgen> (1) 9 4 (6) |1| 8 3 7 2 (7) 1 1+4=5 9 | 4 8 3 5 + 2=7 2 3 + 3=6 (5) + (2)=(7)(6) |1|... | ... Pattern
- [18:48:58] <sudosysgen> I know it is the pattern of /7
- [18:49:06] <|343373|> <sudosysgen> Because a full reptend prime must have a cyclical number when it is used to divide a number that it isn't divisible with
- [18:49:06] <|343373|> <sudosysgen> But cylical numbers are different in other bases
- [18:49:06] <|343373|> <sudosysgen> Thus full reptend primes are different
- [18:49:17] <|343373|> system being balanced or not affect that^
- [18:49:32] <sudosysgen> |343373|: Ok
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- [18:49:47] <|343373|> by balanced i mean having a 0 and a neutral
- [18:49:58] <CrAzYPiLoT> ether8unny: Finetuned the script, works like a charm now
- [18:50:07] <ndiddy> brotherBox: what's crack-a-lackin', my soul brother
- [18:50:20] <CrAzYPiLoT> Do you want the code, or just the compiled exe and dlls?
- [18:50:36] <|343373|> "So how do you figure out the pattern" you have to find it yourself, I can just give hints here and there.. :/
- [18:50:52] <sudosysgen> I know, I was asking Lurker69
- [18:51:02] <sudosysgen> He seems to have made obe
- [18:51:13] <sudosysgen> made one
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- [18:53:38] <sudosysgen> Lurker69: How did you constitute your pattern?
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- [18:55:36] <Lurker69> um...
- [18:56:28] <Lurker69> i tried hard to get /7 patternby different combinations of ^ v ^/v and ^andv
- [18:57:15] <sudosysgen> Lurker69: So the shift decides the pattern?
- [18:57:17] <Lurker69> but didnt get far until |343373| posted [16:38:01] <|343373|> 4^ 8^/3v 23^29 ^2 21v12^ 14
- [18:57:23] <Lurker69> [16:40:36] <|343373|> 4^ 8^/3v 23^29 ^2 21v12^ (14^20^) (^24) (^1/28v) ...
- [18:57:47] <Lurker69> i havent yet expand to his second post: [16:54:21] <|343373|> 13^ 17^/12v 23^29 ^2 21v12^ (14^20^) (^24) (^1/28v) 20v16^ 14v ...
- [18:58:19] <Lurker69> yeah pattern comes from Dr of shiofs, up or down, or both, or two shifts added togather
- [18:58:54] <sudosysgen> OK great
- [18:58:59] <sudosysgen> That's what I tought
- [18:59:03] <Lurker69> with some (167) or (761) and |1| in between that doesnt count as part of pattern
- [18:59:36] <Lurker69> dont ask me where |1| came from, but 167 and 761 are old cicadas jokes
- [18:59:38] <sudosysgen> So where does the shift come from
- [19:00:38] <|343373|> here
- [19:00:38] <|343373|> 13^ 17^/12v 23^29 ^2 21v12^ (14^20^) (^24) (^1/28v) 20v16^ 14v ...
- [19:00:39] <|343373|> 4 8 3 7 2 6 (7) (6) |1| 9 5 ....
- [19:00:39] <|343373|> 1 2 2 1 2 2 1 2 2 1 ... [1 = n?, 2 = n?n? or n?/n?]
- [19:01:23] <Lurker69> sudosysgen: our shifts came from formula we guessed (totient of ptimes or primes-1)
- [19:01:39] <Lurker69> d (totient of ptimes or primes-1)mod29*
- [19:02:19] <sudosysgen> The Totient of which primes
- [19:05:47] <sudosysgen> ?
- [19:05:57] <sudosysgen> and what is a ptime
- [19:11:16] <Lurker69> totient fucntion of n is just numberof factors of n that are semiprime with n
- [19:11:28] <Lurker69> i think i said that correctly
- [19:12:21] <Lurker69> http://primefan.tripod.com/Phi500.html
- [19:12:22] <TaiiwoBot> ^ Euler's Totient Function Values For n = 1 to 500, with Divisor Lists ^
- [19:12:40] <sudosysgen> yeah right
- [19:12:56] <Lurker69> for prime numbers totient is conveniently prime-1
- [19:13:03] <sudosysgen> Lurker69: Right
- [19:13:15] <sudosysgen> Lurker69: But you say totient of primes
- [19:13:21] <sudosysgen> And I ask
- [19:13:27] <sudosysgen> Totient of which primes?
- [19:13:49] <Lurker69> and we guessed that 56th page is encrypted with running key that is totirnt pf primes in succession
- [19:14:30] <sudosysgen> So the cipher is all the primes - 1 one after the other
- [19:14:37] <Lurker69> yeah
- [19:14:43] <Lurker69> 1 2 4 6 10 12 16 18 22 28 30 36 40 42 46 52 58 60 66 70 72 78 82 88 96 100 102 106 108 112 126... mod29
- [19:14:50] <sudosysgen> Ok right
- [19:14:55] <sudosysgen> So that is the shifts
- [19:15:03] <Lurker69> yeah shifts up
- [19:15:07] <sudosysgen> Ok
- [19:15:11] <sudosysgen> And what are the shifts down
- [19:15:21] <Lurker69> and Fs are not encrypted i think, like werent on many of fisrt 17 pages
- [19:15:32] <sudosysgen> Yeah
- [19:15:42] <Lurker69> shift down is 29-shift up or 30-shift up
- [19:15:57] <sudosysgen> What
- [19:16:09] <Lurker69> shift up = 29-shift down
- [19:16:39] <Lurker69> shifts are on gematria primus, you slide with finger up or down from enciphered rune to deciphered rune
- [19:16:49] <sudosysgen> Yeah right
- [19:16:59] <sudosysgen> but how do you determine whether you shift up or down
- [19:17:19] <sudosysgen> In the shifts sometimes you shift up and sometimes you shift down
- [19:18:10] <Lurker69> there is slight confusion if you count shift for 0 (so shift from F to F) as 1 or 0, at vigenere cipher where key was FIRFUMFERENFE, F is 1st rune and shifts for 0
- [19:18:24] <|343373|> Do you guys realize that youre trying to do the very last encrypted page atm?... Just analyze it and go back to the first pages...
- [19:18:25] <sudosysgen> Yeah
- [19:18:44] <Lurker69> how you determine if you need to shift up or down i dont know
- [19:18:58] <sudosysgen> Lurker69: So you don't know how to derive the shifts
- [19:19:00] <Lurker69> 343373 said that there is logic behind it and that pattern repeats at some point
- [19:19:18] <sudosysgen> Well then
- [19:19:32] <sudosysgen> Let's go to the first encrypted pages and try
- [19:19:41] <Lurker69> also i dont know how you would get actual shift value (in base 30) from patten value (in base10)
- [19:19:52] <Lurker69> mod9 is not reversable function
- [19:19:56] <sudosysgen> Lurker69: Isn't it the other way around?
- [19:20:07] <sudosysgen> Do you not get the pattern from the shift
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- [19:20:10] <Lurker69> there are few shifts in base 30 that all have mod 9 in base 10
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- [19:20:58] <Lurker69> sudosysgen: it is the other way around here when we try to figure out 343373s clue based on already solved page
- [19:21:16] <sol1ton> http://www.sjsu.edu/faculty/watkins/Digitsum0.htm
- [19:21:17] <TaiiwoBot> ^ The Digit Sums for Multiples of Numbers ^
- [19:21:23] <Lurker69> when you try to decrpyt other pages based on only pattern it wont be that eays
- [19:21:35] <sol1ton> I'm ready Fu-Xi comments.
- [19:21:37] <sol1ton> interesting
- [19:21:49] <Lurker69> easy*, and even in taht easieast way it isnt easy at all
- [19:22:16] <sudosysgen> Lurker69:
- [19:22:23] <sudosysgen> If we now what the result should be
- [19:22:32] <sudosysgen> And that we know the algorithm
- [19:22:48] <sudosysgen> Then we can reverse the actions and get the code
- [19:22:55] <sudosysgen> Or at least a cod
- [19:22:57] <sudosysgen> Or at least a code
- [19:23:03] <sudosysgen> Simply by bruteforce
- [19:23:27] <sudosysgen> We can make a program and try every possible shift for every possible direction and check against
- [19:23:43] <sudosysgen> And then we look at the result, verify and try to find a pattern
- [19:24:52] <Lurker69> nope, its too many combinations for bruteforcing
- [19:25:13] <sudosysgen> There are 60 possibilities for every rune
- [19:25:22] <sudosysgen> And each rune is a separate problem
- [19:25:37] <sudosysgen> Given that we know what the result should be we can find out
- [19:25:55] <Lurker69> 4 letters word has 29^4 combinations, even if we exclude all results that aren words in en dictionry it would still be way to much garbage to read through
- [19:26:09] <sudosysgen> Lurker69: Why are you thinking of words???
- [19:26:19] <sudosysgen> We are trying to find the complete shifts
- [19:26:28] <sudosysgen> Each character is a separate problem
- [19:26:44] <sudosysgen> So instead of being 60⁴ it is 60*4
- [19:27:13] <Lurker69> basically ever n rune word can be deciphered as any other n rune english word, amd you would get gazilion sentences that would make no sense, with small gazillion sentences that would make sense but would still be incorrect
- [19:27:50] <sudosysgen> Yes but for page 56 we already now what the result should be
- [19:28:10] <sudosysgen> So we can filter by seeing if the result is the same or not
- [19:28:39] <sudosysgen> Keep in mind we are trying to find the shifts, not the plain text
- [19:29:03] <|343373|> The first 15 pages are alot more simple than 56.jpg ...
- [19:29:11] <Lurker69> there is no guarantee that pattern will be tha same on other pages
- [19:29:24] <sudosysgen> Lurker69: True
- [19:29:30] <sol1ton> i'm still missing the idea behind the matrices
- [19:29:35] <sudosysgen> Lurker69: We should try the first 15 pages
- [19:29:36] <|343373|> they are not the same, but they follow the same logic/approach
- [19:30:03] <sol1ton> we have 434,1311,312,278,966, etc. (this is the 3301 matrix)
- [19:30:07] <sol1ton> mod9 this becomees
- [19:30:13] <sol1ton> {{2, 6, 6, 8, 3}, {6, 2, 7, 1, 0}, {5, 8, 8, 8, 5}, {0, 1, 7, 2, 6}, {3, 8, 6, 6, 2}}
- [19:30:21] <Lurker69> sol1ton: we all are, 344473 isnt gonna tell us how matrices tie all the patterns and ecryptions togather
- [19:30:47] <|343373|> Lurker I gave you guys what you need for that though
- [19:30:59] <sol1ton> but it has something to do with digital roots?
- [19:31:43] <Lurker69> yeah, that big matrice made out of four he posted today has /7 pattern in brackets
- [19:32:09] <Lurker69> (2) 3 8 5 (7)
- [19:32:09] <Lurker69> (6) 1 4 5 9
- [19:32:09] <Lurker69> (1) 2 1 2 1
- [19:32:09] <Lurker69> 9 (5)(4) 1 6
- [19:32:09] <Lurker69> 7 5 (8)(3) 2
- [19:32:15] <Lurker69> without 9 though
- [19:32:56] <sudosysgen> what about the matrix in page 16
- [19:33:00] <|343373|> (note that one was an example)
- [19:33:21] <Lurker69> sol1ton: if you missed it http://pastebin.com/85KtHzua
- [19:33:22] <harvester> ^ Archived file(s): 85KtHzua ^
- [19:33:22] <TaiiwoBot> ^ |343373|s clues towards solution of Cicada 3301 - Pastebin.com ^
- [19:33:22] <|343373|> The first magic square is 1033, the 2nd magic square is 3301, so its not hard to guess what happens to pattern(whats the pattern supposed to be) in the 2nd magic square.
- [19:34:26] <sol1ton> oh wait. i should start with 1033 then
- [19:35:18] <sol1ton> you know, we submitted those squares back in 2014
- [19:35:32] <sol1ton> but i don't even remember where they cme from
- [19:35:47] <sudosysgen> look
- [19:35:52] <sudosysgen> this one:
- [19:35:58] <sudosysgen> <|343373|> 2 3 8 5 7 | 2 3 8 5 7
- [19:36:00] <sudosysgen> <|343373|> 6 1 4 5 9 | 6 1 4 5 9
- [19:36:02] <sudosysgen> <|343373|> 1 2 1 2 1 | 1 2 1 2 1
- [19:36:04] <sudosysgen> <|343373|> 9 5 4 1 6 | 9 5 4 1 6
- [19:36:06] <sudosysgen> <|343373|> 7 5 8 3 2 | 7 5 8 3 2
- [19:36:08] <sudosysgen> <|343373|> ----------+----------
- [19:36:10] <sudosysgen> <|343373|> 2 3 8 5 7 | 2 3 8 5 7
- [19:36:12] <sudosysgen> <|343373|> 6 1 4 5 9 | 6 1 4 5 9
- [19:36:14] <sudosysgen> <|343373|> 1 2 1 2 1 | 1 2 1 2 1
- [19:36:16] <sudosysgen> <|343373|> 9 5 4 1 6 | 9 5 4 1 6
- [19:36:18] <sudosysgen> <|343373|> 7 5 8 3 2 | 7 5 8 3 2
- [19:36:20] <sudosysgen> is used for page 0-14
- [19:36:22] <sudosysgen> lets try using it
- [19:36:29] <Lurker69> 343373 said that 1033 square from page 3 is example for us to see how magic square works on first 17 pages that we solved with wrong approach
- [19:37:36] <sudosysgen> where is the 1033 square?
- [19:37:40] <Lurker69> second square, 3301 one on page 17 is used on unsolved pages, 0-1¸4 in 0-57 LP
- [19:38:16] <Lurker69> http://i.imgur.com/CBT8677.jpg this is first one from page 3
- [19:38:17] <sudosysgen> well then
- [19:38:17] <harvester> ^ Archived file(s): CBT8677 ^
- [19:38:18] <TaiiwoBot> ^ Image of: indesign(31%) book(31%) ^
- [19:38:40] <Lurker69> this one simplifed is what sudosysgen posted
- [19:39:19] <Lurker69> http://i.imgur.com/qvRO3q6.jpg this is page 17 and it should be key to next unsolved pagtes
- [19:39:20] <harvester> ^ Archived file(s): qvRO3q6 ^
- [19:39:20] <TaiiwoBot> ^ Image of: cloud(52%) word(50%) ^
- [19:39:35] <sudosysgen> btw
- [19:39:49] <sudosysgen> the one at page 16 isn't of 1033
- [19:39:56] <sudosysgen> it is of 3301
- [19:39:56] <Lurker69> its 3301
- [19:40:02] <Lurker69> here is first one
- [19:40:04] <Lurker69> 272 138 341 131 151 2 3 8 5 7
- [19:40:04] <Lurker69> 366 199 130 320 18 6 1 4 5 9
- [19:40:04] <Lurker69> 226 245 91 245 226 1 2 1 2 1
- [19:40:04] <Lurker69> 18 320 130 199 366 9 5 4 1 6
- [19:40:04] <Lurker69> 151 131 341 138 272 7 5 8 3 2
- [19:40:18] <Lurker69> and second one
- [19:40:19] <Lurker69> 434 1311 312 278 966 2 6 6 8 3
- [19:40:19] <Lurker69> 204 812 934 280 1071 6 2 7 1 9
- [19:40:19] <Lurker69> 626 620 809 620 626 5 8 8 8 5
- [19:40:19] <Lurker69> 1071 280 934 812 204 9 1 7 2 6
- [19:40:19] <Lurker69> 966 278 312 1311 434 3 8 6 6 2
- [19:41:21] <sudosysgen> what are those numbers at the right?
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- [19:41:34] <Lurker69> simplified version mod9
- [19:41:53] <sudosysgen> oh
- [19:42:14] <sudosysgen> and that is where he got the pattern from
- [19:42:24] <Lurker69> first one simplified is what you were posting few minutes ago, jsut made in 2X2
- [19:42:29] <Lurker69> yeah
- [19:43:03] <sudosysgen> well
- [19:43:05] <Lurker69> now both of them are simplified in base10 so mod9, i dont know if we need to use them simplified in base30 mod29; 343373 didnt say anything about that
- [19:43:18] <sudosysgen> It seems that cicada is made of cutting edge mathematicians
- [19:44:27] <Lurker69> here is link to prof Kardis page, he was doing similar things with digital roots than 343373, although 34 got even deeper http://people.revoledu.com/kardi/tutorial/DigitSum/Arithmetic.html
- [19:44:28] <TaiiwoBot> ^ Digital Root Arithmetic Error ^
- [19:45:32] <sudosysgen> Lurker69: Why would we simplify it using mod29? AFAIK 3301 in base30 isn't even prime
- [19:45:52] <sudosysgen> I wonder if it would even be a magic square in base<30
- [19:45:59] <sudosysgen> I wonder if it would even be a magic square in *base30
- [19:46:11] <Lurker69> Kardis division table isnt full. he doesnt have any values at 1,2,4,5,7,8 at /6 and /3 division, 343373 has full patterns for those
- [19:46:47] <Lurker69> sudosysgen: simplify in mod29 to get shift values, idk, it was just my idea from before 34 posted that proof with patterns in base 10
- [19:47:04] <sudosysgen> Lurker69: Which proof?
- [19:47:23] <Lurker69> that pattern, repetition lines
- [19:47:37] <sudosysgen> Reptition lines? Never saw that one
- [19:47:47] <Lurker69> http://prntscr.com/bs1nun
- [19:47:48] <harvester> ^ Archived file(s): 4139090c2efc4e92af575ecbfa65b7aa ^
- [19:47:51] <Lurker69> that
- [19:48:47] <sudosysgen> oh
- [19:49:29] <sudosysgen> That's not a proof tho
- [19:49:34] <Lurker69> 343373 called this 'proof' that his appraoch is correct
- [19:49:58] <Lurker69> and yeah most of us agree that it ient proof without any explanation how it all works
- [19:50:05] <Lurker69> isnt*
- [19:50:06] <|343373|> 167, 761, /7
- [19:51:02] <|343373|> It works that way there only in base30 btw. so it was set up on purpose :)
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- [19:51:58] <Lurker69> yeah there are some numbers that 3301 like there, it was the same with that 3301.jpg/mp3 file, filesize factorized gave some neat primes iirc
- [19:52:42] <sudosysgen> yeah
- [19:53:42] <sudosysgen> Am I too dumb to understand this clusterfuck? Cause somtimes is feels like I am.
- [19:56:42] <sol1ton> okay, so 4,8,3,7,2,6,1,5, (9!) is the repeating cycl eof sums of digits for multiples of 4
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- [19:56:55] <sol1ton> 4, 8, 12 (3), 16 (7) 20 (2), etc
- [19:57:40] <Lurker69> yeah /7 and *4 have same patterns
- [19:58:09] <Lurker69> i need to put those collerations in googledoc table
- [19:58:30] <Lurker69> let me paste all my patterns and collerations
- [19:58:54] <Lurker69> 246813579 [Pattern of *2 AND /5] same as [*7 AND /4] reverse if we move 9
- [19:58:54] <Lurker69> 753186429 [Pattern of *7 AND /4] same as [*2 AND /5] reverse if we move 9
- [19:58:54] <Lurker69> 516273849 [Pattern of *5 AND /2] same as [*4 AND /16] reverse if we move 9
- [19:58:54] <Lurker69> 483726159 [Pattern of *4 AND /16] same as [*5 AND /2] reverse if we move 9
- [19:58:54] <Lurker69> 123456789 [Pattern for *1 and /1] same as [*8 and /8] reverse if we move 9
- [19:58:54] <Lurker69> 876543219 [Pattern for *8 and /8] same as [*1 and /1] reverse if we move 9
- [20:01:19] <Lurker69> this is how Kardi presented same realtions http://people.revoledu.com/kardi/tutorial/DigitSum/image/digital-cluster_clip_image002.jpg
- [20:01:21] <TaiiwoBot> ^ Image of: tree(31%) pollen(26%) grass(26%) https://tinyurl.com/jjxeo8v ^
- [20:01:44] <sudosysgen> TaiiwoBot: What
- [20:01:46] <TaiiwoBot> sudosysgen: Wasting my time with you.
- [20:01:58] <sudosysgen> Is that your image recognition algorithm spazzing out?
- [20:02:27] <Lurker69> yeah, TaiiwoBot explain mor eabour how you recognize images
- [20:02:29] <TaiiwoBot> Lurker69: Do you remember my name?
- [20:03:14] <Lurker69> TaiiwoBot i will never gonna give you up
- [20:03:15] <TaiiwoBot> Lurker69: Never gonna let me down?
- [20:03:41] <Lurker69> TaiiwoBot: somebody once told me
- [20:03:43] <TaiiwoBot> Lurker69: Told you what?
- [20:04:16] <sol1ton> there's still plenty of missing pieces
- [20:04:35] <sol1ton> why /7 (or *4) for the 1033 matrix.
- [20:04:44] <sol1ton> and then what to do with the pattern?
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- [20:05:03] <sol1ton> the matrix is symmtrical, the pattern could just as wel lgo the other way
- [20:05:42] <Lurker69> sol1ton: yeah, 343373 is saying that you/we have to figure it out for ourselves, if we dont understand how it all works then LP text is useless for us, he said
- [20:06:06] <sudosysgen> Well
- [20:06:17] <sudosysgen> We need to do something right
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- [20:06:39] <sol1ton> we decoded the original 17
- [20:06:49] <sol1ton> and the hint was 1033 matrix. which we avoided.
- [20:07:01] <sol1ton> then 3301 matrix solves first part of LP
- [20:07:01] <sudosysgen> Yes
- [20:07:02] <Lurker69> and yeah matrixes are simmetrical so they have only 13 different values at each 5x5 square
- [20:07:28] <sol1ton> how did we solve original 17 again? :)
- [20:07:29] <Lurker69> how can 13 differnt numbers deteemine all different encryptions on first 17 pages
- [20:07:33] <sudosysgen> Yes they are diagonally simetrical
- [20:07:52] <Lurker69> two vigenre keys, atbash, and few unencrypted pages
- [20:07:52] <[^> isnt Fraulein like a young women
- [20:08:07] <Lurker69> [^: yes
- [20:08:13] <sudosysgen> Lurker69: You can have two encryptions on the same page
- [20:08:20] <[^> okay thought so
- [20:08:25] <sudosysgen> It's very hard but you can
- [20:08:49] <sudosysgen> [^: It is a thing with V1cWra1th
- [20:09:17] <Lurker69> atbash cipher can be explaind as /14 pattern (in base30) shift on gematria primus
- [20:09:31] <sudosysgen> He caugth and STD and said: Sometimes you cross the wrong Fraulein
- [20:09:40] <Lurker69> i have no idea how to squeeze
- [20:09:54] <Lurker69> DIUINITY
- [20:09:54] <Lurker69> 23^6v 10^19v 1^28v 10^19v 9^20v 10^19v 16^13v 26^3v
- [20:09:54] <Lurker69> 5 6 1 1 1 1 1 1 9 2 1 1 7 4 8 3
- [20:09:54] <Lurker69> FIRFUMFERENFE
- [20:09:54] <Lurker69> 29^29v 10^19v 4^25v 29^29v 1^28v 19^10v 29^29v 18^11v 4^25v 18^11v 9^20v 29^29v 18^11v
- [20:09:54] <Lurker69> 2 2 1 1 4 7 2 2 1 1 1 1 2 2 9 2 4 7 9 2 9 2 2 2 9 2
- [20:10:05] <Lurker69> those two keys into first magic square
- [20:10:25] <Lurker69> and how to explain which page does what at same time
- [20:10:54] <Lurker69> and not to forget that trolling unecrypted F, i am not sure if magic square tells us why are Fs unencrypted too
- [20:11:22] <sudosysgen> Lurker69: It is not obligatory that the magic square does everything
- [20:11:47] <sudosysgen> It can leave out a part to our logic
- [20:12:33] <Lurker69> not everything but somehow it must suggest that some pages are unencrypted, my first guess is that values 1 in simplified version do that
- [20:12:42] <sudosysgen> Lurker69: What
- [20:13:08] <sudosysgen> It does not need to suggest that somepages are unencrypted
- [20:13:23] <sudosysgen> If a page is not encrypted it is painfully obvious
- [20:13:40] <sudosysgen> Oh
- [20:13:42] <sudosysgen> Lurker
- [20:13:48] <sudosysgen> I think I understand
- [20:14:02] <sudosysgen> Wait no
- [20:14:04] <sudosysgen> I am dumb
- [20:14:08] <sudosysgen> BRB
- [20:14:13] <Lurker69> it is, but there must be some logic in why it is in plain text
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- [20:18:34] <sudosysgen> Well you see
- [20:19:03] <sudosysgen> given that such a cipher has 60 possiblities for every shift
- [20:19:09] <|343373|> btw look at 4|7, 9|2 and 1|1
- [20:19:09] <sol1ton> btw, the mod9 calculation is a bit odd, since he puts a 9 where it should be a 0
- [20:19:10] <sudosysgen> 30 down and 30 up
- [20:19:24] <|343373|> and 8|3
- [20:19:43] <sudosysgen> It is theoretically possible to encode up to 26 letters runes in the magic square
- [20:19:52] <sudosysgen> |343373|: What do you mean
- [20:19:53] <|343373|> Not saying anymore on this subject btw
- [20:20:05] <sudosysgen> |343373|: What is X|X
- [20:20:12] <sudosysgen> |343373|: Well ok
- [20:20:36] <sudosysgen> Lurker69: Do you know what 4|7 means?
- [20:20:58] <sudosysgen> or 9|2, 1|1 for that matter
- [20:20:59] <sol1ton> sudosysgen: the *4 and /7 repetiting numbers are the same
- [20:21:08] <sudosysgen> sol1ton: Yes
- [20:21:17] <sudosysgen> but 9 and 2?
- [20:22:13] <sol1ton> no clue
- [20:22:16] <sol1ton> 4+7=11
- [20:22:18] <sol1ton> 9+2 = 11
- [20:23:13] <|343373|> DIUINITY, FIRFUMFERENFE patterns that lurker gave.
- [20:23:27] <sol1ton> divide by 7, fourth cyclemove by 1, infinity loop
- [20:23:52] <|343373|> Also look at the first magic square. it will make some sense if you look deep yet simply.
- [20:24:19] <sudosysgen> |343373|: The magic square at page 16?
- [20:25:00] <|343373|> no
- [20:25:05] <|343373|> page 3
- [20:25:23] <sudosysgen> In pages from 0-73, which one is it?
- [20:25:57] <|343373|> 3.jpg
- [20:26:08] <sol1ton> it's 272,138,341,131,151,etc
- [20:26:11] <|343373|> (first magic square)
- [20:26:15] <sol1ton> the one that adds up to 1033
- [20:26:19] <|343373|> yes
- [20:26:42] <sudosysgen> Ok sorry
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- [20:27:34] <sysgen> Sorry I don't know why I had the incorrect name
- [20:28:02] <Desprit> Excuse me, the pages in LP (imgur) are the original size and content, right ?
- [20:28:13] <Desprit> in cicada3301.org***
- [20:28:46] <Lurker69> 4|7 9|2 1|1 are shifts at firfumferenfe
- [20:29:48] <Lurker69> 8|3 is at diuinity, not sure why he didnt mention 5|6 and 7|4
- [20:31:19] <Lurker69> they are all (including 5|6 and 7|4) Dr11=2
- [20:31:53] <Lurker69> which is logical since they came from sum of two digits that add up to 29...
- [20:32:05] <Lurker69> fafepalm
- [20:32:32] <sysgen> lol
- [20:33:12] <sysgen> So this is the right path
- [20:33:30] <sol1ton> how do we link again circumference to the 1033 matrix?
- [20:33:44] <Lurker69> i am doing short explanation of ciphers on first 17 pages
- [20:33:48] <sysgen> you mean fifumferenfe
- [20:33:56] <sysgen> Lurker69: Where?
- [20:34:24] <Lurker69> sol1ton: i have no idea, that whole point of the trick that we have to figure out
- [20:34:50] <Lurker69> sysgen: in my doc, ill post it wehn ill have all pages
- [20:35:50] <sol1ton> DIUINITY = 8 letters = gematria values: 89 31 3 31 29 31 59 103
- [20:36:55] <sol1ton> or +24, +11, +2, +11, +10...
- [20:36:56] <sol1ton> etc
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- [20:38:18] <Desprit> where does this +24 +11 +... came from ?
- [20:38:23] <Desprit> Im not following, sorry :/
- [20:38:36] <Desprit> did*
- [20:38:38] <sol1ton> oh. offsets for the vigenere for divinity
- [20:38:42] <sol1ton> i may be off by one
- [20:38:51] <Desprit> oh kk
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- [20:40:58] <sol1ton> so. hypothesis
- [20:41:35] <sol1ton> we need to walk in a pattern through the 1033 matrix (maybe base 29 or so) and that'll give us DIUINITY (or rather the appropriate offsets)
- [20:41:53] <|343373|> FIRFUMFERENFE is not FIRFUMFERENFE, its CIRCUMFERENCE, try that and see what you get.
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- [20:44:08] <sol1ton> CIRCUMFERENCE = +6, +11, +5, +6, +2, +20, etc
- [20:45:05] <sol1ton> yes. that fits in 1033 matrix mod 20
- [20:45:12] <sol1ton> mod 0
- [20:45:13] <sol1ton> 30
- [20:46:43] <sysgen> sol1ton: What
- [20:47:12] <sysgen> if you mod29 can you fit CIRCUMFERENCE?
- [20:47:23] <sysgen> Oh of course
- [20:47:28] <sysgen> How dumb was I
- [20:47:42] <sysgen> We don't need there to be enough space for all keys
- [20:47:51] <sol1ton> still checking. it seems to have the right numbers. but not hecked the pattern yet
- [20:47:54] <sysgen> We only need each character to appear at least once
- [20:47:56] <sol1ton> good chance i' m also off by one
- [20:48:06] <sysgen> sol1ton: Which mod are you using?
- [20:48:15] <sol1ton> mod30
- [20:48:40] <sysgen> If you use mod30 then you are in base 31
- [20:48:49] <sysgen> But there aren't 31 runes
- [20:48:52] <sol1ton> oops :)
- [20:48:53] <sysgen> try mod29
- [20:48:55] <sysgen> yeah
- [20:48:58] <sysgen> :)
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- [20:50:18] <sol1ton> nope .missing teh 5
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- [20:50:40] <sysgen> Really
- [20:50:45] <sysgen> Wait
- [20:50:59] <sysgen> CIRCUMFERENCE in RUNES translates to:
- [20:51:26] <sol1ton> drum roll
- [20:54:05] <sysgen> +6, +11, +5, +6, +2, +21, +1, +20, +5, +20, +10, +6, +20
- [20:54:27] <sol1ton> i tihnk we have to start at 0
- [20:54:41] <sol1ton> since A S/Z W A I becomes: A K O A N
- [20:54:43] <sol1ton> a remains the same
- [20:54:43] <sysgen> Now we need to do the mod 9 of this
- [20:55:03] <sysgen> No
- [20:55:08] <sysgen> Forget this
- [20:55:17] <sysgen> You say that there are no 5 right?
- [20:55:34] <sysgen> If there is no 5 in the 1033 matrix mod29
- [20:55:37] <sol1ton> https://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=%5B%5B272,138,341,131,151%5D,%5B366,199,130,320,18%5D,%5B226,245,91,245,226%5D,%5B18,320,130,199,366%5D,%5B151,131,341,138,272%5D%5D+mod+29
- [20:55:37] <TaiiwoBot> ^ Wolfram|Alpha: Computational Knowledge Engine https://tinyurl.com/zylbnx9 ^
- [20:55:41] <sol1ton> there's no 5 in there
- [20:56:06] <sysgen> Well then even if we start at 0 there isn't going to be anything
- [20:56:19] <sysgen> Unless we use the Gematria values
- [20:56:34] <sysgen> But IIRC the Vigenere decoding did not use the Gematria values
- [20:57:13] <sysgen> Unless..
- [20:57:27] <sysgen> Unles we set the first to 0
- [20:57:35] <sysgen> well not even
- [20:58:23] <sol1ton> i don't understand how CIRCUMFERENCE was the key. since 'C' is the 5th in the gematria, why does the 'A' S/Z W A I remains the same ?
- [20:58:33] <sysgen> Yes
- [20:58:36] <sol1ton> oh wait. this the odd thing with all the F's staying the same?
- [20:58:37] <[^> is there a tool to translate the letters off of a gematria primus that i decrypted
- [20:58:45] <sysgen> Yes
- [20:58:46] <[^> wau
- [20:58:52] <sysgen> all the Fs stay the same
- [20:59:02] <[^> wau lmao
- [20:59:06] <sysgen> It is the interruption in the cipher
- [20:59:21] <[^> it cant be 1 over 2 or 2 over 1
- [20:59:58] <[^> http://i.imgur.com/eVUD1zw.jpg ive translated this but dont know how to translate the letters
- [20:59:59] <harvester> ^ Archived file(s): eVUD1zw ^
- [21:00:20] <sol1ton> http://cicada3301.org/gematria/
- [21:00:21] <|343373|> FIRFUMFERENFE is not a "key" really
- [21:00:52] <[^> ived used that
- [21:00:58] <[^> but now have letters/numbers
- [21:01:01] <sysgen> But if FIRUMFERENFE is used in this cipher then the problem is solved isn't it
- [21:01:11] <sol1ton> [^: you have a long way to go, my friend
- [21:01:12] <sysgen> Because the problem was the 5
- [21:01:22] <sysgen> And 5 is C
- [21:01:35] <Desprit> ...
- [21:01:56] <sol1ton> [^: you have transcribed the runes to their letter or numberical equivalent?
- [21:02:04] <[^> yes
- [21:02:05] <sol1ton> [^: that has been done before.. now you are atthe same point we are. stuck :)
- [21:02:19] <[^> oh lol im stupid
- [21:02:28] <sysgen> [^: You still have alot of road to do lol :)
- [21:02:38] <sysgen> Read the Wiki and follow the steps
- [21:02:48] <[^> in my perspective i didnt know where you were
- [21:03:03] <sol1ton> [^: today's discussion is on the matrices of the earlier steps
- [21:03:12] <sol1ton> [^: there wer ea few magic squares given.
- [21:03:18] <sol1ton> [^: that add up to 1033, 3301, etc
- [21:03:33] <sol1ton> [^: there seems to be a link between the squares and earlier Vigenere decryption we have missed
- [21:03:44] <sysgen> [^: And about using the Digital root to get a list of shifts in order to decrypt a page
- [21:03:59] <sol1ton> [^: in particular between the 1033 square and the CIRCUMFERENCE 'key'.
- [21:04:08] <sol1ton> [^: if we can figure out the link, maybe we can extrapolate this to the 3301 square
- [21:04:31] <sol1ton> because i'm completely fed up of these runes and hope to go back to base10 at some point or a least base16
- [21:04:54] <sol1ton> sysgen: the digital root thing still eludes me.
- [21:05:04] <sysgen> sol1ton: I can explain
- [21:05:06] <[^> did you use the dots in thee page for anything
- [21:05:29] <sol1ton> [^: dots are separators. also the text contaisn of multiple different encryptions. a new red capital typically means a new sectoin
- [21:05:32] <Lurker69> we dont know yet what dots mean
- [21:05:49] <Lurker69> which dots?
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- [21:06:10] <[^> okay because there were three sets of different dot counts
- [21:06:19] <[^> the dots in http://i.imgur.com/eVUD1zw.jpg
- [21:06:20] <Lurker69> we dont know meaning of those dots http://i.imgur.com/H4HbfDW.jpg
- [21:06:21] <TaiiwoBot> ^ Image of: indesign(35%) book(33%) ^
- [21:06:26] <harvester> ^ Archived file(s): eVUD1zw ^
- [21:06:27] <harvester> ^ Archived file(s): H4HbfDW ^
- [21:06:58] <Lurker69> [^: thoser dots between runes are either . , or ""
- [21:07:17] <Lurker69> or /new line
- [21:09:45] <sol1ton> back to the squares
- [21:10:17] <sysgen> yes
- [21:10:25] <[^> where waas your image located at
- [21:13:33] <sol1ton> okay.
- [21:13:38] <sol1ton> so the CIRCUMFERENCE
- [21:13:55] <sol1ton> is the shift in runes.
- [21:14:13] <|343373|> Part of it
- [21:14:15] <sol1ton> start at 0, F=0, U=1, TH=2, O=3, R=4,
- [21:14:56] <sol1ton> and then it fits, just subtract the value of CIRCUMFERENCE rune. with the exception of the C that turns into F's.
- [21:15:04] <sol1ton> that's why the 'A' in 'A koan' remains the same
- [21:15:06] <sol1ton> ok.
- [21:15:19] <[^> okay
- [21:16:06] <sol1ton> so circumference is 5, 10, 4, 5, 1, 19, 0, 18, 4, 18, 9, 5, 18
- [21:17:16] <sol1ton> or of course 29- that number
- [21:17:22] <Lurker69> sol1ton: and sysgen note that your +n values at firfumferenfe and diuinity can smaller for one, if we use same notation as 34 used in his proof
- [21:17:39] <Lurker69> yeah that 5 10 4 5 1 is same
- [21:18:03] <sol1ton> 24, 19, 25, 24, 28, 10, 29, 11, 25, 11, 20, 24, 11
- [21:18:24] <sysgen> Lurker69: Even if we substrace by 1 we have a 5 don't we
- [21:18:35] <sysgen> Wait no
- [21:19:00] <sysgen> i am su fucking dumb
- [21:19:07] <sysgen> Oh
- [21:19:13] <sysgen> No I am not
- [21:19:24] <sysgen> There is C/K isn't there
- [21:19:34] <sol1ton> ?
- [21:19:39] <sysgen> In that case we can't fit it even if we subtract by 1
- [21:19:52] <sysgen> The second C has a + value of 6
- [21:20:10] <sysgen> So even if we substract by 1 we find a 5
- [21:20:38] <sysgen> Unless circumference in that case is pronounced ssirssumference
- [21:21:29] <sysgen> Can someone post Circumference in runes?
- [21:21:47] <sysgen> Exactly the way it is in the liber primus
- [21:22:13] <Lurker69> dont forget that sometimes he added two runes together for some reason like that ᚩ ᚫ | TH E | 1^ 22v | 1+4=5
- [21:23:19] <sol1ton> Lurker69: you're doing the 1^ and 22v (1 up and 22 down?) but isn't 1 up the same as 28 down?
- [21:24:47] <Lurker69> yes
- [21:24:57] <[^> Within the deep web there exists a page that hashes to: 36367763ab73783c7af284446c 59466b4cd653239a311cb7116 d4618dee09a8425893dc7500b 464fdaf1672d7bef5e891c6e227 4568926a49fb4f45132c2a8b4 It is the duty of euery pilgrim to seek out this page.
- [21:25:22] <[^> they spelled every wrong
- [21:25:22] <Lurker69> but sometimes he uses ^sometimes v and sometimes ^and v, i dont know how he determines which one to use
- [21:25:34] <Lurker69> i guess that one that forms the pattern that he wants
- [21:25:42] <sol1ton> he is 34?
- [21:25:57] <sysgen> [^: There is no v in the rune alphabet
- [21:26:00] <Lurker69> yes
- [21:26:12] <[^> oh im so smart
- [21:27:35] <Lurker69> sysgen: FIRFUMFERENFE ᚠᛁᚱᚠᚢᛗᚠᛖᚱᛖᚾᚠᛖ CIRCUMFERENCE ᚲ`ᛁᚱᚲ`ᚢᛗᚠᛖᚱᛖᚾᚲ`ᛖ
- [21:27:52] <Lurker69> C and I runes are a bit strange font
- [21:27:54] <sol1ton> it doesn't make sense to me to move ^ and v (up and down) differently.. it's cyclical, just always go up or always go down
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- [21:28:12] <sol1ton> since F rune is no shift, that is easily 0
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- [21:28:39] <Lurker69> 0 or 29
- [21:28:47] <sol1ton> mod29 is the same
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- [21:29:15] <sol1ton> i usually start with 0. 34 usually sends with 29, i think. different notation
- [21:29:27] <sysgen> Can't find ᚲ in the gematria primus
- [21:29:30] <Lurker69> C= ᚲ`
- [21:29:41] <Lurker69> i was using https://pornpetscauod443.onion.link/occult/ODIN_RuneWriter.php
- [21:29:42] <TaiiwoBot> ^ Rune Writer ** Heidenwut https://tinyurl.com/j7tbz5q ^
- [21:30:06] <sysgen> Lurker69: Cicada uses a different Runeset
- [21:30:18] <sol1ton> so. how do we get from the 1033 matrix to CIRCUMFERENCE (or 5,10,4,5,1,19,0,18,4,18,9,5,18 or some other series)
- [21:30:44] <sysgen> sol1ton: By removing 1 to every number
- [21:30:51] <sysgen> :)
- [21:30:51] <Lurker69> sol1ton: yeah 34 doesnt like 0, its not number or digit in base n system according to him, so he always uses largest digit ( 9 or 29 )
- [21:31:10] <Lurker69> brb
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- [21:31:28] <sysgen> Lurker69: If we start counting at 0 then CIRCUMFERENCE fits
- [21:31:31] <sol1ton> actually.
- [21:31:49] <sysgen> yes?
- [21:31:58] <sol1ton> 1033 square was revealed in 167.jpg, and CIRFUMFERENCE was used to solve 107.jpg and 229.jpg
- [21:32:05] <sol1ton> that doesn't make sense?
- [21:32:20] <sol1ton> the square after the text was used to solve it?
- [21:32:33] <sol1ton> what about DIUINITY
- [21:33:16] <sysgen> sol1ton: All the pages from 0-17 were posted at the same time
- [21:33:48] <sol1ton> btw, we have 2 squares that add up to 1033. the order 5 and order 7
- [21:34:37] <sol1ton> makes more sense to find DIUINITY in order 5, and CIRCUMFERENCE in order 7?
- [21:34:59] <|343373|> First magic square was onion3 servers .jpg
- [21:39:55] <sol1ton> okay. numbering also seems to be F=29 and number down?
- [21:40:13] <sol1ton> whichis the same way as shifting hte other way
- [21:40:16] <sol1ton> duh
- [21:40:30] <sol1ton> so i guess these are equivalent
- [21:41:21] <sol1ton> i thikn we can probalby optimize 34's solution a little..;)
- [21:43:17] <Lurker69> <sol1ton> 1033 square was revealed in 167.jpg, and CIRFUMFERENCE was used to solve 107.jpg and 229.jpg
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- [21:43:37] <Lurker69> 1033 square was revealed in 229.jpg*, and CIRFUMFERENCE was used to solve 107.jpg and 167.jpg*
- [21:44:12] <Lurker69> if this are correct filenames https://github.com/micheloosterhof/cicada-2014/tree/master/stage10
- [21:44:13] <TaiiwoBot> ^ cicada-2014/stage10 at master · micheloosterhof/cicada-2014 · GitHub https://tinyurl.com/jc36tex ^
- [21:44:40] <sol1ton> those filenames came from the server if i remember correclty
- [21:44:53] <sol1ton> the 1033 was revealed earlire though
- [21:45:10] <sol1ton> oh wait.s that's the 3301! not the 1033
- [21:45:18] <Lurker69> yeah 3301
- [21:45:31] <sol1ton> that explains it
- [21:45:37] <sol1ton> so. back to 1033 square then
- [21:45:43] <Lurker69> all three squares were in mp3, and that was before i think
- [21:45:45] <sol1ton> 272 138 shadows 131 151
- [21:45:46] <sol1ton> aethereal buffers void carnal 18
- [21:45:46] <sol1ton> 226 obscura form 245 mobius
- [21:45:46] <sol1ton> 18 analog void mournful aethereal
- [21:45:46] <sol1ton> 151 131 cabal 138 272
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- [21:46:35] <sol1ton> that came from the server status page
- [21:46:46] <sol1ton> onion 3
- [21:46:47] <sol1ton> as 34 said
- [21:47:27] <Lurker69> there were also smaller 3x3 sqaures https://github.com/micheloosterhof/cicada-2014/tree/master/stage09
- [21:47:31] <TaiiwoBot> ^ cicada-2014/stage09 at master · micheloosterhof/cicada-2014 · GitHub https://tinyurl.com/zxnavfz ^
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- [21:49:07] <Lurker69> 10 12 10
- [21:49:07] <Lurker69> 12 14 12
- [21:49:07] <Lurker69> 10 12 10
- [21:49:18] <shadowwalker> still alive eh
- [21:49:19] <sol1ton> the numbers don't add up. they're not magical
- [21:49:27] <Lurker69> all 4 the same, but with different border 3 3 0 1
- [21:49:46] <Lurker69> hi shadow
- [21:50:13] <shadowwalker> hey lurk :)
- [21:50:39] <sysgen> hello shadowwalker
- [21:50:53] <shadowwalker> o/
- [21:51:04] <Lurker69> https://github.com/micheloosterhof/cicada-2014/blob/master/stage07/magicsquares.txt here is big 5x5 sqaure from mp3 if you want it
- [21:51:05] <TaiiwoBot> ^ cicada-2014/magicsquares.txt at master · micheloosterhof/cicada-2014 · GitHub https://tinyurl.com/hwbkksj ^
- [21:51:17] <shadowwalker> i know the wiki's updated and all but i'm going to continue updating the google doc
- [21:51:24] <Lurker69> 7x7*
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- [21:52:16] <Lurker69> >wiki updated
- [21:52:23] <brotherBox> its not
- [21:52:28] <brotherBox> the wiki is stil shit
- [21:52:38] <Lurker69> it was worse actually, its not as bad as it could be
- [21:52:39] <brotherBox> i will probably lock it down completely
- [21:52:40] <shadowwalker> all the more reason to do my thing
- [21:52:50] <brotherBox> or just kill it
- [21:52:51] <sol1ton> DIUINITY = 23, 10, 1, 10, 9, 10, 16, 26
- [21:52:53] <shadowwalker> i'll report later today, i have a couple of things im gonna do
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