Daejiv a ajouté Sky au groupe.Hier à 20:59
Daejiv a ajouté Bane au groupe.Hier à 20:59
Bane - Hier à 20:59
Greetings
Daejiv - Hier à 20:59
hello
Sky - Hier à 21:00
hi
Daejiv - Hier à 21:00
still no update if or when medii may appear?
Bane - Hier à 21:00
Unreachable, probably busy with sthg
Anyways
Daejiv - Hier à 21:01
so
we are considering unbanning your accounts or at least giving you new ones without tainted history
but we cannot give you these highend chars you selected as-is
its simply is too obvious what happened here to us and our community
since these chars, gear, achievements are so well known
but we can give you similar fresh chars with comparable gear
Bane - Hier à 21:04
You mean that you want to offer us the same kind of chars but just not with the same "history", different dates in achievements and a real playtime ?
Spleenix - Hier à 21:05
without the achievements.
Sky - Hier à 21:05
look my gear https://arsenal.rising-gods.de/character-sheet.xml?r=Rising-Gods&cn=Acurielle
Daejiv - Hier à 21:05
rank 1 achievements are kind of rare, you know
Bane - Hier à 21:06
The only char which is overstuff is Ca1n's
Daejiv a ajouté Socke au groupe.Hier à 21:07
Bane - Hier à 21:08
" Skylol " and " Morphlings " are not grabbing attention
" Acurielle " not skylol
Socke - Hier à 21:12
They are. People know other PvP Chars very well on our server and yours will be recognized 100%. And once they are... Well things may get pretty awkward
Daejiv - Hier à 21:13
the main point is
we do not have many players on high rating
and well all of these chars have gear which requires high rating
ppl know each other very well in these regions
these items should be downgraded
on the achievement side Acurielle and Morphlings are actually fine
Bane - Hier à 21:14
If someone recognize us, we just can change faction
Daejiv - Hier à 21:14
unfortunately ca1n's char is a no go
Socke - Hier à 21:15
Our PVP Community spans both factions, unfortunately
Bane - Hier à 21:17
For the case of Morphlings and Acurielle a changefaction should be enough. For ca1n's char I can ask him to chose another one or you can advise him another one which is in the same range as us
Spleenix - Hier à 21:18
factionchange isn't helpfull since we have crossfaction.
Daejiv - Hier à 21:19
also the actual matches are not the only contact points, e.g. being afk in dalaran
Bane - Hier à 21:22
Our chars are hardly recognizable in my opinion; we obvisouly chosed chars which are not really  famous
Spleenix - Hier à 21:22
T2 gear?
Bane - Hier à 21:23
Gear is not synonymous of celebrity
We are not overstuff or sthg, we still have a long list of things to farm
Our goal is just to play discreetly
Daejiv - Hier à 21:26
to be honest: our pvp community is not that big, there are actually very few players which play on high rating
all of these players know each other well since years
if some "random guy" appears with this gear level its quite obvious in my eyes
Bane - Hier à 21:27
They will only think that it's a selled account or sthg
Daejiv - Hier à 21:27
our ppl are quite obsessed with stalking every bit out of other guys
account selling is actually forbidden, so that can't be possible
Bane - Hier à 21:28
It's forbidden, but it still exist
Daejiv - Hier à 21:28
and will be banned if detected, which happens quite often^^
Bane - Hier à 21:29
With ca1n's char, it will be easily spotted you are right in that point
How do you detect a selled account? You can't
It can occur that it's just a friend, family or a relative people which is using the account
Spleenix - Hier à 21:31
guys.. the pvp-ppl talk to each other.. they know about account-selling and the other stuff
Daejiv - Hier à 21:31
even if we can assume that the account is sold, the old one is still around
Bane - Hier à 21:32
You created a great community in this expansion, which is very remarkable in 2018... Lot of people mean that there is also people which are not necessarily known
We will avoid arenas, customize and changefac
If someone is noticing sthg I promise that I will contact you but trust me the risk is basically low
Exordian - Hier à 21:35
well, if they already notice it's too late for us
it is crucial that those chars will not be detected
we do a lot to prevent cheating on our server
we can not risk to get the reputation of creating chars by our staff
we got your intention to play pvp on our server without doing the 'low' stuff like leveling and farming the minimum gear to don't get instantly rekt in pvp
and thats (in the current sitatuation) fine for me
in my opinion we can build decent pvp characters for you (decent in our opinion and undectacble, e.g. top 10-30% of our players)
if thats a feasible solution we can continue talking, if not, i'm afraid that we're risking the reputation of "someone can buy chars on RG"
Bane - Hier à 21:42
Morphlings and Acurielle are  decent and the risk is almost inexistent but if it's not enough we just can change things in the stuff that in your opinion, can expose us
Exordian - Hier à 21:43
ok. since this is basically a trade, what will you offer to us?
Bane - Hier à 21:46
Developing a community as yours is a real challenge nowadays, that's the reason why we chosed your server. Thereby we can guarantee you that this affair will never be rumored and your data will never be compromised.
Exordian - Hier à 21:47
> we can guarantee
i don't see any gurantee yet
Bane - Hier à 21:48
We just asked to play in our new chars, the clue are these chars
That's your guarantee, you'r free to ban us if a problem occur
Why negotiate all this to risk losing as a result?
Exordian - Hier à 21:49
how does downloading our server code helps you to get characters?
Sky - Hier à 21:50
Ca1n is always doing it
Exordian - Hier à 21:52
has ca1n done all the technical parts?
Sky - Hier à 21:53
Yes
He is the only one which is holding your data
Exordian - Hier à 21:54
ok. i'd have a few questions to him. a few actions from him weren't for 'just' getting the characters, and i'm curious of the reasoning behind them
i'd like to talk to him if he gets available, and if he can convince me that we can trust him/you as a group that this trade if fair, we would propose decent, playable pvp chars to you
is that fine?
he also talked about warmane code, is he the only one who has that aswell?
Bane - Hier à 21:58
Our vision is the same, but downloading your data still is a guarantee and we knew that you will notice us before yesterday
For warmane's code, i can't talk to you about this if he is not present
Bane - Hier à 22:02
In all cases, if an only information or data is leaking about this you just have to ban us again
Exordian - Hier à 22:04
(5min afk phone)(modifié)
Sky - Hier à 22:23
Still here ?
Daejiv - Hier à 22:26
i'm still here,
but actually we have to wait for exordian and medii/ca1n for further progress
Bane - Hier à 22:29
When Ca1n will connect, I will ask him to come
Daejiv - Hier à 22:29
:thumbsup:
Bane - Hier à 22:30
So far, I thank you for your understanding  and your diplomacy
Exordian - Hier à 22:35
re. well, i can understand  your point of view and it's fine for me. ca1n shall contact me if he's available.
Bane - Hier à 22:36
It will be done asap
Exordian - Hier à 22:37
i'm not sure how long i'm available today. but i will take a look on discord from time to time, and i'm sure we will be able to talk to each other
Bane - Hier à 22:38
There is no problem in that point
Exordian - Aujourd'hui à 09:51
btw i forgot to mention that yesterday: i'm curious that ca1n hadn't time to talk to us, but he had time to still seek around on our websites
so i'm not sure if our expectations regarding 'you only want to play on our server' and ca1n's match
Bane - Aujourd'hui à 09:57
I have no idea on what he did, but i assure you that we tried to contact him so he can join us in this conversation
Bane - Aujourd'hui à 11:01
How do you know that ca1n was connected on your websites ? You probably confused him with us because we were connected at several times in your website
Daejiv - Aujourd'hui à 19:01
forwarded from private chat, since any such discussion should belong here:
[18:49] Bane: I just talked to Ca1n in his personal phone number. He can't be available the whole week but he is respecting my instructions so, if I guarantee you that no data will be leaked just trust me and if there is a problem in that point in the future you are free to ban us again
[18:54] Bane: For the moment, I suggest you to unban the 3 accounts that not contain the overstuffed ret of ca1n (i think the acc name is Ca1n69player). At the end of the week we will see how to replace his char by another one
Bane - Aujourd'hui à 19:03
Ca1nplayer* the acc name
Sky - Aujourd'hui à 19:08
Exordian ? Still here ?
Daejiv - Aujourd'hui à 19:16
@Sky what do you want? maybe someone else can answer it or he can answer when he sees the actual question when he comes online
Sky - Aujourd'hui à 19:18
Just wanted to know if he was here
Sky a changé le nom du salon : KartoffelAujourd'hui à 19:28
Spleenix a changé le nom du salon : BaguetteAujourd'hui à 19:35
Exordian - Aujourd'hui à 19:37
i'm curious why you still seek around in our internal forums currently
and haven't you told me that only ca1n has the data ?
so what data have you left, and whats the reason for browsing our internal services?
Sky - Aujourd'hui à 19:42
"and haven't you told me that only ca1n has the data ?" Yes
Daejiv - Aujourd'hui à 19:43
then the question is: why is he doing it, but saying he has no time?
Sky - Aujourd'hui à 19:43
"so what data have you left, and whats the reason for browsing our internal services?" I didn't understand what you mean
We answered yesterday
Exordian - Aujourd'hui à 19:45
you opened internal posts in our forums 20 mins ago(modifié)
Sky - Aujourd'hui à 19:45
where ?
b2b ?
Exordian - Aujourd'hui à 19:48
i guess you can tell me better
Sky - Aujourd'hui à 19:50
I was curious to know what he was saying and i don't have bc btw
With Konstii's account
Bane - Aujourd'hui à 19:53
Ca1n was not connected in your forums, it was us
Exordian - Aujourd'hui à 19:56
for what reason
Sky - Aujourd'hui à 19:56
"I was curious to know what he was saying"
Just checked the "hack" subject
Exordian - Aujourd'hui à 19:57
you suggest us to unban you, while you still browse around in our internal forums ? i feel a bit deceived
Sky - Aujourd'hui à 19:58
What we can do with ur internal forums ? lol
We can just read
Daejiv - Aujourd'hui à 19:58
you know the meaning of "internal", right?
Sky - Aujourd'hui à 19:59
Yes, this will never happen again.
Exordian - Aujourd'hui à 20:00
which credentials have you left ?
Sky - Aujourd'hui à 20:00
ententuempel and konstii
Bane - Aujourd'hui à 20:06
Any other question(s) we can answer?
Sky - Aujourd'hui à 20:22
Exordian ?
Exordian - Aujourd'hui à 20:23
where did you get the credentials if ca1n has the data?
Sky - Aujourd'hui à 20:23
He gave it to me
Only the credentials to check forum topics
Anything else ?
Bane - Aujourd'hui à 20:35
If there is a lack of fluidity in our conversation it will be difficult to get an end
Daejiv - Aujourd'hui à 20:35
well as for now, there does not seem to be anything else from our side
the end mostly depends on the arrival of ca1n now
Bane - Aujourd'hui à 20:37
As I said, he wont be available this week; so we have to manage in that conditions