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  1. [2019-05-16 23:49:17] <Air> Telamon, bring on some more GM's and let this server thrive again. Or, just end the suffering, pull the plug and enjoy your home life in peace. Thanks - Concerned Vets of UOR
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  5. [2019-05-16 23:57:30] <Ruck> ^
  6. [2019-05-16 23:58:21] <DarkWing> Tons of things to Do ingame that does NOT require a GM's intervention
  7. [2019-05-17 00:01:31] <Air> Ok
  8. [2019-05-17 00:01:50] <Keza> Agreed, we dont even need GMs to do epic quests, events, pvp fights and more. Only limit to a sandbox game like this is your imagination... be more creative, an unpaid staff shouldn't have to spoon feed entertainment.
  9. [2019-05-17 00:04:43] <Ruck> I think hes speaking of fulfilling the promises
  10. [2019-05-17 00:04:55] <Ruck> and fixing things that need attention
  11. [2019-05-17 00:05:13] <Ruck> things that Telamon needs help with
  12. [2019-05-17 00:05:50] <Ruck> only limit to a sandbox game like this is population
  13. [2019-05-17 00:05:54] <Telamon> I always love how it falls to the "donate your time the way i want, or else" =)
  14. [2019-05-17 00:06:08] <Air> Or else?
  15. [2019-05-17 00:06:15] <Telamon> The server will fail
  16. [2019-05-17 00:06:31] <Ruck> and wasnt saying that Telamon couldnt do them or was incapable
  17. [2019-05-17 00:06:42] <Air> I never said the server will fail
  18. [2019-05-17 00:06:44] <Ruck> was mroe referring to time restraints with rl, family, etc.
  19. [2019-05-17 00:06:52] <Grace> Can always take a break, give it some time to be fresh again
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  21. [2019-05-17 00:07:02] <Ruck> its not about being fresh
  22. [2019-05-17 00:07:04] <Air> I think the server IS failing though
  23. [2019-05-17 00:07:10] <Telamon> Im around every day, but this is a classic server, not a pay to play project like other servers
  24. [2019-05-17 00:07:14] <Telamon> Who have donation shops with 1000 items
  25. [2019-05-17 00:07:36] <Telamon> A certain new shard, based on some reports, took in 300k in 6 months
  26. [2019-05-17 00:07:47] <Ruck> I believe it
  27. [2019-05-17 00:07:57] <Ruck> I dont think anyone wants this server to be that though
  28. [2019-05-17 00:08:04] <Telamon> And we had some staff, Treasureman was great, and a huge help
  29. [2019-05-17 00:08:07] <Telamon> and our players ran him off
  30. [2019-05-17 00:08:10] <Ruck> they just want this place to thrive
  31. [2019-05-17 00:08:14] <Telamon> By using that server as a hammer to beat him to death with
  32. [2019-05-17 00:08:19] <Telamon> "do what I want, or else im going over there"
  33. [2019-05-17 00:08:22] <Ruck> and finish polishing it
  34. [2019-05-17 00:08:24] <Telamon> And Air we worked out ass off over halloween
  35. [2019-05-17 00:08:30] <Telamon> developed a new event, people had a ton of fun
  36. [2019-05-17 00:08:33] <Air> I was there for a short bit, and it was AWESOME, ONLY because of the GM interaction, new content and daily events. Map sucks, new mechanics suck, and it sucks overall, but people like playign with other people. Thats why they are doing good
  37. [2019-05-17 00:08:39] <Telamon> and the largest group, that loved the event, immediately quit for the new hot server
  38. [2019-05-17 00:09:01] <Air> You dont have to do it alone, that is my point
  39. [2019-05-17 00:09:03] <Telamon> Sounds like the only thing you would be happy with is a server with paid staff to server your needs and entertainment
  40. [2019-05-17 00:09:28] <Air> No, but if Im going to invest as much time as i did the first 4 years i was here, I expect to be entertained
  41. [2019-05-17 00:09:32] <Grace> Unfortunatly people to tend to have less attachment to things they put no money into. The problem devs on mobile games have right player retainment
  42. [2019-05-17 00:09:33] <Ruck> In dont think thats what he was getting at
  43. [2019-05-17 00:09:40] <Telamon> "I expect to be entertained"
  44. [2019-05-17 00:09:50] <Telamon> I think you have a drastically incorrect view of this place
  45. [2019-05-17 00:10:05] <Air> not entertained by you, entertained by the experience
  46. [2019-05-17 00:10:13] <Telamon> But again, i could work on UOR 24/7, hire staff with my own money, and still you would not be satisfied
  47. [2019-05-17 00:10:20] <Air> but the experience is ony fun when others are here to share it with us
  48. [2019-05-17 00:10:25] <Ruck> ^
  49. [2019-05-17 00:10:26] <Air> Not true
  50. [2019-05-17 00:10:27] <Keza> Air have you found a pirate ship yet? http://uorforum.com/threads/pirate-tamer-voyage-summer-ocean-event.41702/
  51. [2019-05-17 00:10:31] <Telamon> But your 4 years of work invested here, is still here because we are still commited to this place 7 years later
  52. [2019-05-17 00:10:49] <Air> Ive been here 6 years total
  53. [2019-05-17 00:11:09] <Air> last 3 years have been dead
  54. [2019-05-17 00:11:15] <Air> hardly any pvp
  55. [2019-05-17 00:11:19] <Air> people leaving daily
  56. [2019-05-17 00:11:34] <Telamon> hah, because you pvp'ers A. Hate the shit out of each other
  57. [2019-05-17 00:11:35] <Air> let a few other people help you with content, events, etc and watch it grow
  58. [2019-05-17 00:11:35] <UOR> HolidayEvent | Bengay has Completed the Ice Fortress event in 58 min with 4 players, 8 pets, 19 follower slots and 96 kills |
  59. [2019-05-17 00:11:41] <Telamon> and B. have little loyalty to a server in most cases
  60. [2019-05-17 00:11:51] <Ruck> thats not true
  61. [2019-05-17 00:11:52] <Air> Ive done more pvm than pvp over my time here
  62. [2019-05-17 00:12:07] <Telamon> The core pvp'ers on this server focused on making sure the people they didnt like quit, not wanting more pvp
  63. [2019-05-17 00:12:07] <Air> but what fun is pvm when there is no risk?
  64. [2019-05-17 00:12:16] <Telamon> I fought that for years
  65. [2019-05-17 00:12:23] <Telamon> and tried to understand their motivations
  66. [2019-05-17 00:12:24] <Air> Not true, they focused on the aspect of the game they enjoy, the pvp
  67. [2019-05-17 00:12:31] <Telamon> Same reason factions turned into 1 faction with 75% of the pvp'ers on it
  68. [2019-05-17 00:12:33] <Iago> It's mostly true Ruck
  69. [2019-05-17 00:12:35] <Telamon> It was all about control, not fights
  70. [2019-05-17 00:13:10] <Iago> pvpers eventually coalesce into winning is more important than fighting
  71. [2019-05-17 00:13:14] <Iago> based on my time here
  72. [2019-05-17 00:13:22] <Iago> and then the people they fight against dont want to fight anymore
  73. [2019-05-17 00:13:24] <Iago> and they leave
  74. [2019-05-17 00:13:31] <Telamon> And then server hop in perpetuity, looking for the same
  75. [2019-05-17 00:13:38] <Telamon> burn the next server down, and then off to the server next
  76. [2019-05-17 00:13:41] <Telamon> repeating for years
  77. [2019-05-17 00:13:42] <Ruck> i was saying they dont want their opponents to leave
  78. [2019-05-17 00:13:46] <Ruck> they dont pvp for them to quit
  79. [2019-05-17 00:13:50] <Iago> there is only a small group of people who pvp here and aren't like that
  80. [2019-05-17 00:13:54] <Telamon> Sure Ruck, that doesnt apply to everyone
  81. [2019-05-17 00:13:54] <Ruck> they may hate each other sure
  82. [2019-05-17 00:14:03] <Iago> except the way they behave is exactly how you make people leave
  83. [2019-05-17 00:14:16] <Ruck> there will always be toxic players
  84. [2019-05-17 00:14:16] <Iago> there have been hundreds of pvpers who have come and gone in my time here
  85. [2019-05-17 00:14:17] <Ruck> in any game
  86. [2019-05-17 00:14:21] <Ruck> small minority
  87. [2019-05-17 00:14:21] <Telamon> But watch the actions of some, is it the fights people are after? or is it discouraging the people they hunt/fight into doing something else
  88. [2019-05-17 00:14:34] <Iago> in pvpers?
  89. [2019-05-17 00:14:35] <Iago> do you really think that?
  90. [2019-05-17 00:14:37] <Telamon> UOR provides stable mechanics, ona stable server
  91. [2019-05-17 00:14:40] <Air> Iago, how do you MAKE people leave?
  92. [2019-05-17 00:14:46] <Telamon> where you can come and go as you like and always find some fun
  93. [2019-05-17 00:14:48] <Air> this is a Fel server, correct?
  94. [2019-05-17 00:14:55] <Telamon> But Without 50k a month to spend on advertising, etc
  95. [2019-05-17 00:15:04] <Telamon> I cannot hire people to specificlaly provide you with content Air
  96. [2019-05-17 00:15:15] <Telamon> If you have given up on the server personally, then nothing we can do for you
  97. [2019-05-17 00:15:25] <Telamon> The people still here have fun, find fights, and enjoy the place
  98. [2019-05-17 00:15:25] <Air> No hiring needed.
  99. [2019-05-17 00:15:31] <Air> plenty of people would vokunteer to help
  100. [2019-05-17 00:15:38] <Air> the 10 people on daily?
  101. [2019-05-17 00:15:39] <Air> LOL
  102. [2019-05-17 00:15:43] <Telamon> By giving them server gm powers?
  103. [2019-05-17 00:15:48] <Air> Limited
  104. [2019-05-17 00:15:53] <Telamon> We have players running tourneys each week lately
  105. [2019-05-17 00:15:56] <Telamon> we have players running world events
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  107. [2019-05-17 00:15:59] <Air> the ability to fix factions
  108. [2019-05-17 00:16:01] <Air> fix pvp mechanics
  109. [2019-05-17 00:16:03] <Telamon> Ive got volunteers working on a variety of projects
  110. [2019-05-17 00:16:05] <Air> fix town
  111. [2019-05-17 00:16:06] <Pill> i told you to kick Air yesterday.... you didn't listen to me!!
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  113. [2019-05-17 00:16:24] <Pill> skunkape gone rogue
  114. [2019-05-17 00:16:24] <Telamon> Sounds like you want the staff from outlands and the mechanics from UOR lol
  115. [2019-05-17 00:16:38] <CuteCuts> Hey Air if you want more players what are you doing about going and advertising or recruiting more?
  116. [2019-05-17 00:16:39] <Telamon> But again, I understand ill never get credit for fixing anything
  117. [2019-05-17 00:16:47] <Telamon> Ive tried to work with players on fixing factions for years
  118. [2019-05-17 00:16:47] <Air> I just want there to be more than 5 active people rnning around the map at any given time
  119. [2019-05-17 00:16:49] <Telamon> Want to know how that ends?
  120. [2019-05-17 00:16:50] <Iago> but we love telamon
  121. [2019-05-17 00:17:05] <Telamon> You decide that factions should stay broken, because if it is fixed, it no longer fucks your enemies
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  123. [2019-05-17 00:17:10] <Telamon> Thats how almost every faction planning session goes
  124. [2019-05-17 00:17:16] <Telamon> We get a list of issues to fix, I take it to the players
  125. [2019-05-17 00:17:22] <CuteCuts> If you are bored of the content take a break or go play elsewhere for a bit
  126. [2019-05-17 00:17:27] <Telamon> and once the players realize the people they DESPISE on the other side
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  128. [2019-05-17 00:17:30] <Iago> UO is what you make of it
  129. [2019-05-17 00:17:30] <Telamon> Benefit from the change
  130. [2019-05-17 00:17:45] <Telamon> as a part of PVp they wont support the changes, because of their hatred of the other factions/players
  131. [2019-05-17 00:18:12] <Ruck> idk i think fixing factions could go a long way
  132. [2019-05-17 00:18:17] <Telamon> What the server needs is people who can take their bias out of the situation and focus on improving the server
  133. [2019-05-17 00:18:39] <Telamon> In 7 years people like that are very rare
  134. [2019-05-17 00:18:49] <Air> then I guess thats all this server is left with
  135. [2019-05-17 00:18:55] <Air> the 10 people who have no bias
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  137. [2019-05-17 00:19:23] <Telamon> You should at least be honest why you are here complaining Air, rather than being misleading
  138. [2019-05-17 00:19:55] <Telamon> If players want to see some faction fixes, then work with us to fix them
  139. [2019-05-17 00:20:07] <Telamon> But this type of stuff is just to discourage and drive people away with fearmongering
  140. [2019-05-17 00:20:27] <Telamon> Factions has come and gone for years, and we always work with active, loyal factioneers to improve things
  141. [2019-05-17 00:20:48] <Telamon> If you stuck around you would know we fixed a list of issues a while back
  142. [2019-05-17 00:21:11] <Telamon> once people get bored of that other place, and return here (as they are now) we will focus more on pvp fixes
  143. [2019-05-17 00:21:30] <Telamon> But factions will always fail because people graviate towards one dominant faction, and discourage the other 3
  144. [2019-05-17 00:21:41] <Telamon> Over the years forcing us to offer basically "get out of factions for free" ards
  145. [2019-05-17 00:21:49] <Telamon> TT for instance ran 90% of the players out of the other 3 factions
  146. [2019-05-17 00:21:50] <WarrenBuffet> Just want to chime in here, we have been having a pretty good time with factions. We have well respected agreement against spamming guards and what not. We have maintained a fun and respected atmosphere even amidst a lot of personal drama
  147. [2019-05-17 00:22:07] <Telamon> Its pretty well balanced as the classic OSI version
  148. [2019-05-17 00:22:18] <Telamon> And I have a list of things we are working on to address
  149. [2019-05-17 00:22:31] <Telamon> Atrophy works well now, points decay from inactive people, and no more afk commander issues
  150. [2019-05-17 00:22:39] <Telamon> All things fixed due to players working with the staff
  151. [2019-05-17 00:22:39] <Ruck> is the list public?
  152. [2019-05-17 00:22:40] <Iago> muh points!
  153. [2019-05-17 00:22:50] <Iago> was a big improvement, thanks telamon
  154. [2019-05-17 00:23:00] <Telamon> We had a huge faction thread a bit ago
  155. [2019-05-17 00:23:02] <Iago> was silly for people who hadn't played for 2 years to be unchallengeable for leadership
  156. [2019-05-17 00:23:10] <Telamon> but once players found out I had plans for rewarding high ranking members
  157. [2019-05-17 00:23:21] <Telamon> There was roughly a revolt, because if they couldnt have it, then no one should
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  159. [2019-05-17 00:23:31] <Telamon> but the main thing factions needs now is a good spread of people chasing rank in each faction
  160. [2019-05-17 00:23:36] <Telamon> vs 1 power faction vs 3 smaller ones
  161. [2019-05-17 00:23:52] <Telamon> Faction tamers still needs a bit of discouragement, more than the extra stat loss we have currently
  162. [2019-05-17 00:24:03] <WarrenBuffet> it comes down to people wanting PvP fights rather than just owning all the sigils and what not
  163. [2019-05-17 00:24:24] <Delstrudo> pvp with tamers *scoff*
  164. [2019-05-17 00:24:26] <chase> factions is running clean right now. We need incentive to actually login and fight
  165. [2019-05-17 00:24:29] <WarrenBuffet> we had 48-56 straight hours of fights
  166. [2019-05-17 00:24:31] <Ruck> sigil timers need to be reduced
  167. [2019-05-17 00:24:37] <Ruck> guard spam needs addressing
  168. [2019-05-17 00:24:38] <chase> yes get rid of 3 day sigil timers
  169. [2019-05-17 00:24:40] <Delstrudo> we've been having some wicked factions action - new to it myself and it's a hoot
  170. [2019-05-17 00:24:43] <Ruck> tamers need to picc off
  171. [2019-05-17 00:24:44] <Ruck> piss**
  172. [2019-05-17 00:24:50] <Telamon> Air is just doing some drive by complaining, most likely due to wanting paid staff here to generate content
  173. [2019-05-17 00:24:50] <Iago> there should be no fsaction tamers
  174. [2019-05-17 00:24:50] <WarrenBuffet> yeah all that stuff is on his list to address
  175. [2019-05-17 00:24:53] <chase> COM and Minax have agreed to no tamers in Factions already
  176. [2019-05-17 00:25:02] <Telamon> And while some of his concerns im sure are valid, unless you play here you cannot appreciate the activity
  177. [2019-05-17 00:25:05] <Iago> let there be one part of the game without tons of factions
  178. [2019-05-17 00:25:05] <chase> we are fighting cleanly, we need more incentive
  179. [2019-05-17 00:25:08] <WarrenBuffet> but in the time being we are having fun by making our own rules
  180. [2019-05-17 00:25:08] <Iago> tamers*
  181. [2019-05-17 00:25:13] <Telamon> WE compete with servers with 100x the resources, and do quite well
  182. [2019-05-17 00:25:19] <Ruck> Iago, I agree
  183. [2019-05-17 00:25:27] <Telamon> The server never crashes, survives a million DDOS's
  184. [2019-05-17 00:25:32] <Delstrudo> telamon let me tell you how to run your free shard /s
  185. [2019-05-17 00:25:37] <Delstrudo> <3
  186. [2019-05-17 00:25:45] <Iago> at least air has been around a while
  187. [2019-05-17 00:25:51] <Iago> seems like every month there is a brand new player
  188. [2019-05-17 00:25:54] <Telamon> Every night for the last 2 weeks ive been doing account recoveries, dealing with chronic spammers on the forums, etc
  189. [2019-05-17 00:25:58] <Iago> who immediately knows all the best mechanics and how we're doing it wrong
  190. [2019-05-17 00:26:02] <Telamon> The sad thing about UOR is we are a victim of our success
  191. [2019-05-17 00:26:07] <Telamon> So much of our time is management
  192. [2019-05-17 00:26:16] <chase> can we get consistent CTF each night?
  193. [2019-05-17 00:26:20] <chase> we were all waiting for round 2
  194. [2019-05-17 00:26:24] <chase> why none?
  195. [2019-05-17 00:26:25] <Telamon> But we have exciting stuff in the works, and we are very close to a formal discord, and a new client support
  196. [2019-05-17 00:26:31] <Delstrudo> yea the CTFS are really cool keep those coming please
  197. [2019-05-17 00:26:39] <chase> 20 people sitting there waiting for round 2
  198. [2019-05-17 00:26:42] <Ruck> discord will be nice.
  199. [2019-05-17 00:26:50] <Telamon> Sorry Chase, Wife called me away on that
  200. [2019-05-17 00:26:52] <WarrenBuffet> and this classic uo is awesome
  201. [2019-05-17 00:27:05] <Ruck> classic uo client is great
  202. [2019-05-17 00:27:17] <chase> no worries I understand for sure. just love CTF
  203. [2019-05-17 00:27:17] <Telamon> We should have formal support of that very soon
  204. [2019-05-17 00:27:26] <chase> please run taht every night
  205. [2019-05-17 00:27:30] <Telamon> Thanks to effort by Quick and others to get razor working with it
  206. [2019-05-17 00:27:36] <Ruck> yeah runs smooth
  207. [2019-05-17 00:27:39] <Telamon> 1920x1080 UO
  208. [2019-05-17 00:27:48] <Ruck> 200 fps uo
  209. [2019-05-17 00:27:51] <Ruck> lmao
  210. [2019-05-17 00:27:52] <Grace> Discord will be awesome!
  211. [2019-05-17 00:28:03] <chase> Discord is the only reason I came back onto UOR
  212. [2019-05-17 00:28:24] <Telamon> The problem is Chase, is that we are all volunteers here
  213. [2019-05-17 00:28:26] <Telamon> no one gets paid
  214. [2019-05-17 00:28:32] <chase> seeing ppl post screen shots and seeing the action is more visual
  215. [2019-05-17 00:28:32] <Telamon> so every new thing we add, has to be monitored by volunteers
  216. [2019-05-17 00:28:45] <Telamon> Yea, but seeing people post pictures of shit, gore, etc
  217. [2019-05-17 00:28:46] <Telamon> Takes moderation
  218. [2019-05-17 00:28:57] <Telamon> and without 24/7 staff, a neat feature can be a diaster
  219. [2019-05-17 00:29:03] <Telamon> So things are a bit harder for us
  220. [2019-05-17 00:29:08] <chase> yeah but if you visit the UOR discords, you can see there's almost none of that
  221. [2019-05-17 00:29:13] <chase> it's all UOR
  222. [2019-05-17 00:29:28] <chase> they are very moderated by the admins
  223. [2019-05-17 00:29:50] <Keza> *an ominous breeze swells waves across the ocean*
  224. [2019-05-17 00:29:51] <Keza> A ship of Pirate Tamers has set sail.
  225. [2019-05-17 00:30:14] <chase> using PVGs discord as the Offical UOR discord is working very well
  226. [2019-05-17 00:30:26] <chase> can read the full IRC feed in it
  227. [2019-05-17 00:30:45] <Ruck> Quick does the same thing
  228. [2019-05-17 00:31:01] <[PVG]Majestic> Theres a few discords that do it
  229. [2019-05-17 00:31:29] <chase> yeah as more ppl join the discords, getting people online at the same time is much easier
  230. [2019-05-17 00:31:42] <[PVG]Majestic> Thats largely in part to the Computer savy people we have
  231. [2019-05-17 00:31:48] <Telamon> The problem chase is that everyone, on every server, is in discord
  232. [2019-05-17 00:31:52] <chase> basically only see CTF warning because of Discord right now if not logged in
  233. [2019-05-17 00:31:54] <Telamon> and a lot of people cannot run discord at work, like they do irc
  234. [2019-05-17 00:32:08] <Telamon> so we will have to face the nomad hoards of cross server UO players
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  236. [2019-05-17 00:32:16] <Telamon> who simply migrate from server to server for "pvp"
  237. [2019-05-17 00:32:16] <[PVG]Majestic> ^
  238. [2019-05-17 00:32:28] <Ruck> discords mobile app is actually easy as hell to use
  239. [2019-05-17 00:32:30] <Telamon> and expect to take everyone with them when they dont get "entertained" as Air put it
  240. [2019-05-17 00:32:41] <chase> i mean at this point there is almost 0 pvp
  241. [2019-05-17 00:32:46] <Telamon> I also have 2 email clients for work, have to use slack and inter office messenger
  242. [2019-05-17 00:32:47] <chase> and we're on factions every day
  243. [2019-05-17 00:32:55] <Telamon> so now Ill have to add discord to already monitoring IRC, its a lot to keep track of
  244. [2019-05-17 00:32:57] <chase> we are messsaging each other to get on just to fight
  245. [2019-05-17 00:33:14] <Iago> check champ spawns
  246. [2019-05-17 00:33:17] <Iago> lots of champing going on
  247. [2019-05-17 00:33:27] <WarrenBuffet> lol
  248. [2019-05-17 00:33:27] <Iago> those poor defenseless tamers are begging for a fight
  249. [2019-05-17 00:33:29] <WarrenBuffet> iago
  250. [2019-05-17 00:33:29] <chase> yeah thats not really pvp dude
  251. [2019-05-17 00:33:37] <WarrenBuffet> thats mainly our groups
  252. [2019-05-17 00:33:40] <chase> were talking about getting factions roaring
  253. [2019-05-17 00:33:50] <Iago> well, dont join up into enormous groups
  254. [2019-05-17 00:33:52] <WarrenBuffet> either champing or logging on to do factions
  255. [2019-05-17 00:33:57] <Iago> where you're friends with 50% of the people who play
  256. [2019-05-17 00:34:02] <Iago> and then complain about no one to fight
  257. [2019-05-17 00:34:09] <chase> TB completely disappeared
  258. [2019-05-17 00:34:16] <WarrenBuffet> ^^
  259. [2019-05-17 00:34:17] <chase> minax started w/ 5 ppl
  260. [2019-05-17 00:34:22] <chase> now COM is gone
  261. [2019-05-17 00:34:30] <WarrenBuffet> we still here man
  262. [2019-05-17 00:34:33] <chase> :[
  263. [2019-05-17 00:34:33] <Iago> I'm not saying there isn't a reason for it, I'm saying the result is you either split up or have no one to fight
  264. [2019-05-17 00:34:35] <WarrenBuffet> just had busy weeks
  265. [2019-05-17 00:34:44] <chase> we are not stealing sigils anymore
  266. [2019-05-17 00:34:49] <chase> until other team takes first
  267. [2019-05-17 00:34:56] <Telamon> Im working on some solutions to that for factions, Ive been just waiting for players willing to work with me on it
  268. [2019-05-17 00:35:03] <chase> we are here Chris
  269. [2019-05-17 00:35:08] <chase> about 20 of us, every day
  270. [2019-05-17 00:35:10] <Telamon> But the effort to get the patches done, rarely is done before the factioneers, get bored, and server hop
  271. [2019-05-17 00:35:19] <WarrenBuffet> I am totally down as well
  272. [2019-05-17 00:35:23] <Delstrudo> hit me up Telamon I'll guinie pig whatever
  273. [2019-05-17 00:35:26] <Telamon> But im willing to work on things if people work with me on them
  274. [2019-05-17 00:35:35] <WarrenBuffet> and I wont be leaving this shard for another
  275. [2019-05-17 00:35:40] <chase> im not leaving
  276. [2019-05-17 00:35:41] <Delstrudo> ^
  277. [2019-05-17 00:35:50] <Delstrudo> UOR is best, if not UOR not UO
  278. [2019-05-17 00:35:57] <WarrenBuffet> agreed
  279. [2019-05-17 00:36:07] <chase> anything we can do to make factions better please let us know
  280. [2019-05-17 00:36:15] <chase> right now all we can do is feedback
  281. [2019-05-17 00:36:34] <Telamon> ill sticky the last thread we had on planned changes
  282. [2019-05-17 00:36:44] <[PVG]Majestic> I can up my tourys to twice a week if this helps a bit in the pvp area?
  283. [2019-05-17 00:36:55] <[PVG]Majestic> I know you all are talking factions though
  284. [2019-05-17 00:37:01] <Telamon> Weekly is fine Majestic, long term consistency is more important
  285. [2019-05-17 00:37:09] <chase> the tourneys are good but massive scale group pvp is what UOR is amazing for
  286. [2019-05-17 00:37:10] <[PVG]Majestic> For sure.
  287. [2019-05-17 00:37:17] <chase> like CTF is incredible
  288. [2019-05-17 00:37:24] <[PVG]Majestic> CTF is fun as hell
  289. [2019-05-17 00:37:25] <Delstrudo> yea CTF is super fun
  290. [2019-05-17 00:37:29] <[PVG]Majestic> I deff agree there
  291. [2019-05-17 00:37:45] <Telamon> CTF will be returning to daily, as I am more stable at the computer nights now
  292. [2019-05-17 00:37:46] <chase> if you just ran CTF every day ppl will get engaged w/ fighting and want more after they end
  293. [2019-05-17 00:37:47] <Telamon> and no holiday events
  294. [2019-05-17 00:37:58] <Telamon> And lobby Count decay, training is now fixed
  295. [2019-05-17 00:38:05] <chase> almost after CTF is over the duel pits are full
  296. [2019-05-17 00:38:15] <Delstrudo> keep us hooked on a vidya game old enough to drink
  297. [2019-05-17 00:38:19] <Delstrudo> night you crazies
  298. [2019-05-17 00:38:25] <[PVG]Majestic> Hows the CUB patch coming along? I know you had mentioned it a few weeks ago
  299. [2019-05-17 00:38:30] <Telamon> Almost done
  300. [2019-05-17 00:38:31] <chase> later guys
  301. [2019-05-17 00:38:34] <chase> thanks Chris
  302. [2019-05-17 00:38:37] <Telamon> Thanks for the support Chase
  303. [2019-05-17 00:38:48] <WarrenBuffet> cya out there chase :)
  304. [2019-05-17 00:38:48] <chase> i downloaded IRC just to talk factions
  305. [2019-05-17 00:38:58] <chase> night
  306. [2019-05-17 00:38:59] <WarrenBuffet> com will be back around
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  308. [2019-05-17 00:39:10] <Ruck> I'll get SL rolling again
  309. [2019-05-17 00:39:35] <Telamon> one of the big tasks i was working on for factions
  310. [2019-05-17 00:39:39] <Telamon> is better gumps for everything faction related
  311. [2019-05-17 00:39:45] <Telamon> As confusion tends to ruin a lot of fun
  312. [2019-05-17 00:39:56] <Telamon> So if you are working to corrupt a town
  313. [2019-05-17 00:40:04] <Telamon> you can see a gump showing details you should be aware of
  314. [2019-05-17 00:40:07] <Telamon> while other factions get less detail
  315. [2019-05-17 00:40:11] <Telamon> but still enough to know whats up
  316. [2019-05-17 00:40:23] <Telamon> Same thing with town control, etc
  317. [2019-05-17 00:40:49] <WarrenBuffet> that will be awesome
  318. [2019-05-17 00:40:53] <Telamon> Faction commands will gain access to death shrounds, colored with the faction
  319. [2019-05-17 00:41:00] <Telamon> High ranking factions gain access to faction ethereals
  320. [2019-05-17 00:41:07] <Telamon> commanders
  321. [2019-05-17 00:41:35] <WarrenBuffet> even just like an announcement that sigil has been stolen
  322. [2019-05-17 00:41:46] <Ruck> announcements would be nice
  323. [2019-05-17 00:41:52] <WarrenBuffet> or something to alert players to possible action
  324. [2019-05-17 00:41:57] <Ruck> yep
  325. [2019-05-17 00:42:01] <Telamon> That might be a bit unfair
  326. [2019-05-17 00:42:06] <[PVG]Majestic> Like an annoouncment right away
  327. [2019-05-17 00:42:08] <Telamon> But something to that tune, is roughly ok
  328. [2019-05-17 00:42:08] <[PVG]Majestic> or with a delay?
  329. [2019-05-17 00:42:51] <Telamon> Still, imagine a warning, and people know it was faction X
  330. [2019-05-17 00:42:57] <Telamon> so they just get 10 guys to their base
  331. [2019-05-17 00:42:58] <Telamon> to merc the carrier
  332. [2019-05-17 00:43:13] <Ruck> dont announce the specific faction
  333. [2019-05-17 00:43:16] <WarrenBuffet> either way would be cool majestic, it just adds to potential fights with less waiting around
  334. [2019-05-17 00:43:31] <Ruck> jujst somethiun like " a sigil was stolen from the Tru Britannians!"
  335. [2019-05-17 00:43:31] <[PVG]Majestic> Ya i feel that buffet
  336. [2019-05-17 00:43:33] <Telamon> There are bots that scrape the website as is for online factioneers, would be available anyway
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  338. [2019-05-17 00:43:47] <Telamon> Baby steps there
  339. [2019-05-17 00:43:55] <WarrenBuffet> or maybe like 30 mins after it is taken so that the sigil timer already reset
  340. [2019-05-17 00:43:57] <Telamon> A good starting point is information for the factions themselves
  341. [2019-05-17 00:43:59] <Telamon> who are doing things
  342. [2019-05-17 00:44:05] <Telamon> Not alerts for other factions to stop them
  343. [2019-05-17 00:44:15] <[PVG]Majestic> i have factioned like 3 times. i havent really got into it. I need to manage my time on the game a bit better i think to really get into factioning
  344. [2019-05-17 00:44:20] <Telamon> Just giving more information ingame about action going on, will drive more faction activity
  345. [2019-05-17 00:44:26] <Guest60403> is there any chance you would consider removing Guardzone in Mag due to the faction fights there?
  346. [2019-05-17 00:44:36] <Telamon> Going to britain, going to the town stone, and seeing that faction X is corrupting it
  347. [2019-05-17 00:44:37] <Guest60403> we are getting guard wacked non stop fighting each other
  348. [2019-05-17 00:44:38] <Telamon> would be useful
  349. [2019-05-17 00:44:54] <Telamon> Faction fights should be excluded from guard activity
  350. [2019-05-17 00:44:59] <Telamon> since your basically orange to each other
  351. [2019-05-17 00:45:00] <Ruck> Mag is a pain in the as
  352. [2019-05-17 00:45:08] <Telamon> Unless im missing something
  353. [2019-05-17 00:45:13] <Guest60403> its stuff like, Arch Curing when you have a demon
  354. [2019-05-17 00:45:15] <Iago> I would ahve announcements related to faction events
  355. [2019-05-17 00:45:23] <Iago> a big problem is just finding people
  356. [2019-05-17 00:45:26] <Telamon> Be easier to just fix that Guest
  357. [2019-05-17 00:45:39] <Telamon> You risk discouraging it all together Iago
  358. [2019-05-17 00:45:50] <Telamon> If you reward the low effort player
  359. [2019-05-17 00:46:02] <Telamon> How long would people still try to cap towns, if everyone is alerts to it
  360. [2019-05-17 00:46:08] <Telamon> via a discord bot I suspect
  361. [2019-05-17 00:46:15] <Telamon> So no one has to pvp, just sit in discord
  362. [2019-05-17 00:46:23] <Iago> it's being done already
  363. [2019-05-17 00:46:27] <Ruck> ^
  364. [2019-05-17 00:46:27] <WarrenBuffet> ^^
  365. [2019-05-17 00:46:29] <Telamon> Go to be larger fixes to encourage ingame activity
  366. [2019-05-17 00:46:33] <Iago> the result is the smaller groups of people don't participate
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  368. [2019-05-17 00:46:40] <Iago> and the people running bots get all the info for sitting indisco
  369. [2019-05-17 00:46:43] * DarkWing set channel modes -b *!*@7990727D.A4D802DA.C0E81A69.IP
  370. [2019-05-17 00:46:43] * DarkWing set channel modes -b *!*@D818DAA0.BF3BFB3B.2CF33755.IP
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  372. [2019-05-17 00:47:30] <Iago> I would really love it if pets shared whatever status their owner has
  373. [2019-05-17 00:47:37] <Telamon> Sure, but not to the effectiveness people assume, but some info
  374. [2019-05-17 00:47:53] <Guest60403> the lack of incentive to actually keep and hold a town isn't there since you can't adjust prices
  375. [2019-05-17 00:48:03] <Telamon> I do find it funny that you could almost drop the UO server
  376. [2019-05-17 00:48:06] <Telamon> and just run discord chat rooms lol
  377. [2019-05-17 00:48:10] <Iago> lol
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  379. [2019-05-17 00:48:14] <Telamon> who needs the game, just have discord channels
  380. [2019-05-17 00:48:23] <Iago> uo is a chat program with a game attachjed anway
  381. [2019-05-17 00:48:24] <Ruck> yep
  382. [2019-05-17 00:48:25] <Telamon> The way most players talk, thats all its about
  383. [2019-05-17 00:48:42] <Telamon> and my other favorite part
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  385. [2019-05-17 00:48:50] <Telamon> is that players do not exist if they are not in the chat room
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  387. [2019-05-17 00:49:40] <Ruck> alright, work early
  388. [2019-05-17 00:49:43] <Ruck> later fellows
  389. [2019-05-17 00:50:05] <Telamon> Night
  390. [2019-05-17 00:50:27] <Telamon> Tomorrow will be CTF/1v1 tourney in the event lobby btw
  391. [2019-05-17 00:50:37] <chase> anything goes? :]
  392. [2019-05-17 00:50:39] <Telamon> Going to try to start doing these at the same time every night, vs random times
  393. [2019-05-17 00:50:42] <Telamon> yes chase
  394. [2019-05-17 00:50:59] <chase> hmmm, like last time?
  395. [2019-05-17 00:51:09] <Telamon> I believe so
  396. [2019-05-17 00:51:18] <chase> so I can keep what I steal?
  397. [2019-05-17 00:51:19] <Telamon> We can also arrange a 2v2 if we have enough teams
  398. [2019-05-17 00:51:24] <Telamon> Stealing will be disabled
  399. [2019-05-17 00:51:31] <Telamon> Thats something that has to be fixed on each reboot
  400. [2019-05-17 00:51:39] <chase> so I got lucky
  401. [2019-05-17 00:51:39] <Telamon> as layering regions like that is a complex nightmare
  402. [2019-05-17 00:52:03] <Telamon> Yes, it should not be possible
  403. [2019-05-17 00:52:04] <WarrenBuffet> lol
  404. [2019-05-17 00:52:06] <chase> lol
  405. [2019-05-17 00:52:20] <WarrenBuffet> otherwise it would be nothing but dissarm thieves
  406. [2019-05-17 00:52:32] <chase> better tahn val warriors :]
  407. [2019-05-17 00:52:33] <Telamon> Ironically
  408. [2019-05-17 00:52:35] <Telamon> long long ago
  409. [2019-05-17 00:52:43] <Telamon> When we first ran tourneys, we did them outside of delucia in felucca
  410. [2019-05-17 00:52:48] <Telamon> and they failed within a month
  411. [2019-05-17 00:52:57] <Telamon> as half the matches were between people missing regs/weapons
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  413. [2019-05-17 00:52:59] <Telamon> and more thieves than pvp'ers showed
  414. [2019-05-17 00:53:01] <Telamon> by week 4
  415. [2019-05-17 00:53:22] <chase> I honestly thought stealing was allowed cause it didn't say not allowed in the rules
  416. [2019-05-17 00:53:34] <chase> so I wasn't really shocked when it worked
  417. [2019-05-17 00:53:56] <Arawn> "anything goes" -I mean....
  418. [2019-05-17 00:54:04] <Telamon> Each time we reboot, I have to enable/disable/enable the tourney regions
  419. [2019-05-17 00:54:07] <Telamon> so that they properly appy
  420. [2019-05-17 00:54:14] <Telamon> since they are regions inside of other regions
  421. [2019-05-17 00:54:22] <Iago> lol
  422. [2019-05-17 00:54:23] <Telamon> same reason people outside cannot affect people inside
  423. [2019-05-17 00:54:36] <Telamon> Something with how the server loads the regions
  424. [2019-05-17 00:54:38] <chase> and you cant like string that together so it's not missed? or should I be entereing my disarm thief every match
  425. [2019-05-17 00:54:48] <Telamon> I rarely forget to check it
  426. [2019-05-17 00:55:07] <chase> *enters disarm thief in every match*
  427. [2019-05-17 00:55:20] <Telamon> I wont now, I got yelled at a lot for that
  428. [2019-05-17 00:55:31] <chase> you did? what about me lol
  429. [2019-05-17 00:55:31] <Arawn> chase is a pretty epic disarm thief, I will give him that...
  430. [2019-05-17 00:55:49] <CuteCuts> Anyone know why I can't get into Wind? Thought the req used to be 70 but site says 72...Either way I am not at 75 and still cant enter. Is it 72 real?
  431. [2019-05-17 00:55:54] <chase> I gave him it back anyways
  432. [2019-05-17 00:55:55] <Telamon> !wind
  433. [2019-05-17 00:56:14] <CuteCuts> !wind
  434. [2019-05-17 00:56:21] <Telamon> http://www.uorenaissance.com/info/Wind
  435. [2019-05-17 00:56:31] <Telamon> 72 base it seems
  436. [2019-05-17 00:56:41] <Telamon> 72.1 I believe
  437. [2019-05-17 00:56:56] <Arawn> Yea I'd assume thats real, not shown
  438. [2019-05-17 00:56:58] <UOR> Bounty | Raven hast brought the minor criminal Lebron James to justice! Lord British has rewarded them with a paltry bounty of 1gp |
  439. [2019-05-17 00:57:00] <CuteCuts> Gotcha maybe its the real skill. Thanks I will keep bumping it and see what happens:)
  440. [2019-05-17 00:57:00] <Arawn> what is your real?
  441. [2019-05-17 00:57:13] <CuteCuts> 70.7
  442. [2019-05-17 00:57:14] <Telamon> Sounds like you are very close
  443. [2019-05-17 00:57:29] <Arawn> yea it must be real then, you'll make it in soon!
  444. [2019-05-17 00:57:37] <Telamon> Welcome to UO Renaissance Cutecuts
  445. [2019-05-17 00:57:54] <CuteCuts> Thanks all, I will keep at it was just like "am i doing something wrong" lol
  446. [2019-05-17 00:58:06] <CuteCuts> Ty Telamon!
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  449. [2019-05-17 01:01:02] <Keza> *takes a second to read ren chat*
  450. [2019-05-17 01:01:49] <Keza> well to quote anchorman, that escalated quickly
  451. [2019-05-17 01:03:08] <chase> just a tough time for pvp keza, we all want the same thing
  452. [2019-05-17 01:04:22] <Air> I just want server population to grow. I remember the days, doing Baracoon and having like 150 people farming, 20 reds come in, insane fights, people die, people live, all day every day
  453. [2019-05-17 01:04:36] <Air> well, after 530pm at least
  454. [2019-05-17 01:04:55] <chase> i agree air, i think the holiday lep season dragged on too long and people are still making their way back
  455. [2019-05-17 01:04:56] <Air> my intent wasnt to start an arguement, but take it as you will
  456. [2019-05-17 01:05:21] <chase> its hard to go back to normal farm stuff after killing 1500 leps for a month
  457. [2019-05-17 01:05:21] <Telamon> The nature of the server Air is players have to create their own fun
  458. [2019-05-17 01:05:36] <Telamon> If you want more pvp? recruit people, make pvp fun for all, assist the staff with fixing things
  459. [2019-05-17 01:05:58] <Telamon> If you need paid staff, and daily patches, then only a production game (wow, nexon games, etc) or heavy donation UO servers will keep you happy
  460. [2019-05-17 01:05:59] <DarkWing> my mom always told me to stop creating my own fun
  461. [2019-05-17 01:06:04] <Air> but if the playing field is jacked up and not balanced, how can you recruit people back to have fun?
  462. [2019-05-17 01:06:07] <Telamon> Ive accepted we can never compete with that
  463. [2019-05-17 01:06:21] <Telamon> but we offer stability, stable mechanics, and staff who do not tinker with the world to "fix things"
  464. [2019-05-17 01:06:31] <Air> I think that server over there is dumb as hell, and i think my whole group agrees
  465. [2019-05-17 01:06:37] <Telamon> halloween addition? felucca rules
  466. [2019-05-17 01:06:42] <Telamon> st patricks? felucca rules
  467. [2019-05-17 01:06:44] <Air> I stated I tried it, then quit shortly after
  468. [2019-05-17 01:06:50] <Telamon> and for the halloween event, we had hundreds of players going in there
  469. [2019-05-17 01:07:02] <Air> I was there, it was fun
  470. [2019-05-17 01:07:04] <Telamon> But that was a huge demoralization for the staff as a ton of people who loved that
  471. [2019-05-17 01:07:07] <Telamon> Quit literally the day it ended
  472. [2019-05-17 01:07:10] <Telamon> to go to the pay to play server
  473. [2019-05-17 01:07:17] <Air> just fix factions, and give Magincia an overhaul
  474. [2019-05-17 01:07:36] <Air> people will return. if you fix it, they will come
  475. [2019-05-17 01:07:43] <Telamon> "Fix" ive heard that for years Air, but rarely can anyone make it clear what "fix" means
  476. [2019-05-17 01:07:49] <Telamon> other than stacking factions with always on players to kill
  477. [2019-05-17 01:07:50] <chase> Mag should function like bucs for one
  478. [2019-05-17 01:07:53] <Air> Fix is so I never lose?
  479. [2019-05-17 01:08:01] <Air> jk
  480. [2019-05-17 01:08:06] <Telamon> TT made factions so toxic, that it damaged factions on the server for years
  481. [2019-05-17 01:08:09] <Air> Get RID of faction guards
  482. [2019-05-17 01:08:14] <Air> period
  483. [2019-05-17 01:08:15] <Air> no more
  484. [2019-05-17 01:08:20] <Air> Just make them inactive
  485. [2019-05-17 01:08:24] <chase> guards are pointless
  486. [2019-05-17 01:08:24] <Air> and watch the fun ensue
  487. [2019-05-17 01:08:31] <chase> you can lure them away without teleportation
  488. [2019-05-17 01:08:42] <Air> chase
  489. [2019-05-17 01:08:50] <Air> you obviously havnt seen them in full swing defending bass
  490. [2019-05-17 01:08:54] <Telamon> Thats not really a fix, more a lazy attempt to drive action
  491. [2019-05-17 01:08:55] <Air> bases lol
  492. [2019-05-17 01:09:03] <Air> No, it would work
  493. [2019-05-17 01:09:09] <Air> Back on OSI, n one used gards
  494. [2019-05-17 01:09:15] <Air> we just faught all day every day
  495. [2019-05-17 01:09:16] <Telamon> On Baja they did, quite often
  496. [2019-05-17 01:09:23] <Air> not Lake S or Atlantic
  497. [2019-05-17 01:09:24] <Telamon> But factions evolved over time
  498. [2019-05-17 01:09:28] <chase> well i mean we have mostly agreed not to used Guards
  499. [2019-05-17 01:09:35] <Air> pfft
  500. [2019-05-17 01:09:36] <chase> cant you make it so people cant place guards at the entrence of COM?
  501. [2019-05-17 01:09:39] <Air> until big groups come back
  502. [2019-05-17 01:09:44] <chase> i know
  503. [2019-05-17 01:09:50] <Telamon> Ironically if you actually pin down some factioneers, and really push them on what would fix factions
  504. [2019-05-17 01:09:53] <Telamon> and I have over the years
  505. [2019-05-17 01:09:55] <chase> we cant contol our "in house rules" as it grows
  506. [2019-05-17 01:09:59] <Telamon> the ultimate fix, is actually to "remove factions" lol
  507. [2019-05-17 01:10:10] <Telamon> Because that represents a complete victory against the other factions
  508. [2019-05-17 01:10:11] <Air> no
  509. [2019-05-17 01:10:20] <Air> Just remove guards.
  510. [2019-05-17 01:10:23] <Telamon> once you start removing things, thats the logical final step
  511. [2019-05-17 01:10:37] <Telamon> "if only you removed factions, people would just log in and fight"
  512. [2019-05-17 01:10:37] <Pill> I honestly think that you can implement a number of "fixes" but people that are gone won't really be back, or at least not as actively as they once were. It's a moot point IMO. A lot of the fun (for me at least) is just starting out on a server with nothing and having to pillage and scrape to build your empire. Once you have it, it's kind of like..."meh..now what".
  513. [2019-05-17 01:10:58] <Air> No one asked you PIll
  514. [2019-05-17 01:10:58] <Telamon> That is true as well Pill
  515. [2019-05-17 01:11:04] <Air> your point is moot
  516. [2019-05-17 01:11:04] <chase> well yeah all he can do for those type of players is make the Carrot on the Stick longer
  517. [2019-05-17 01:11:06] <Telamon> Changes have to be planned with new players in mind
  518. [2019-05-17 01:11:12] <Telamon> You cannot buy/bribe or lure people backl
  519. [2019-05-17 01:11:17] <chase> but the majority of players arent in that position
  520. [2019-05-17 01:11:27] <Telamon> and if you do, and Air can verify, once they get bored, once factions go toxic, they move on
  521. [2019-05-17 01:11:30] <chase> so don't bother catering to them
  522. [2019-05-17 01:11:33] <chase> they will elave anyways
  523. [2019-05-17 01:11:36] <Air> People used to faction until guards were abused...people no longer faction at all.
  524. [2019-05-17 01:11:37] <Telamon> I tend to focus my development time catering to the players who stick around
  525. [2019-05-17 01:11:38] <Pill> I could personally probably create fun for myself to actively play again if I just deleted everything and started over... but time isn't as free as it once was
  526. [2019-05-17 01:11:48] <Telamon> Thats no where near true Air
  527. [2019-05-17 01:11:58] <Telamon> They have always had issues, but nothing like crap on other servers
  528. [2019-05-17 01:12:02] <Telamon> and it was never a major issue here
  529. [2019-05-17 01:12:15] <Telamon> Annoying yes, discouraging, no
  530. [2019-05-17 01:12:24] <Air> Why is Pill talking? Rake and shovel conversation...no hoes allowed
  531. [2019-05-17 01:12:27] <chase> switch owning towns to owning dungeons
  532. [2019-05-17 01:12:41] <Telamon> The problem with all these ideas is they are just ideas
  533. [2019-05-17 01:12:46] <chase> whats the point of holding a town right now?
  534. [2019-05-17 01:12:47] <Telamon> guesses, which will be judged on activity
  535. [2019-05-17 01:12:52] <Telamon> And when they fail, next idea
  536. [2019-05-17 01:12:58] <chase> just to buy regs?
  537. [2019-05-17 01:13:06] <Telamon> in months no one will understand factions at all, because it would be morphed into some custom monstrosity
  538. [2019-05-17 01:13:11] <Telamon> like you see on custom servers
  539. [2019-05-17 01:13:14] <chase> yeah
  540. [2019-05-17 01:13:15] <Air> ...
  541. [2019-05-17 01:13:21] <Telamon> IPY tried it, UOAC tried, it
  542. [2019-05-17 01:13:26] <Telamon> everyone tries it, and it fails everywhere
  543. [2019-05-17 01:13:33] <Telamon> They eventually try to force faction activity 1 hour a day
  544. [2019-05-17 01:13:34] <Air> Removing an irrelevent aspect of the games (guards) is not "morphing"
  545. [2019-05-17 01:13:36] <Telamon> in desperation
  546. [2019-05-17 01:13:43] <Air> nothing changes. just something removed
  547. [2019-05-17 01:13:55] <chase> i mean are guards why people dont play?
  548. [2019-05-17 01:13:55] <Telamon> You guys are just thinking myopically
  549. [2019-05-17 01:14:07] <Telamon> No plan, no implications on other features
  550. [2019-05-17 01:14:16] <Air> It will ALLOW people to not fear the 100 hire and fire guard attack where 1 person can kill a group of 10
  551. [2019-05-17 01:14:17] <Telamon> Mostly with removal, got to think bigger
  552. [2019-05-17 01:14:36] <Air> Ok, armt eh guards with magic wands then
  553. [2019-05-17 01:14:37] <Telamon> Im not even sure that works here Air
  554. [2019-05-17 01:14:39] <chase> just make Magincia buc ruleset like OSI
  555. [2019-05-17 01:14:46] <chase> and get rid of being able to place guards at their base
  556. [2019-05-17 01:15:00] <Air> faction guards with wands
  557. [2019-05-17 01:15:02] <chase> i mean that's not een happening now
  558. [2019-05-17 01:15:05] <chase> but stil
  559. [2019-05-17 01:15:07] <chase> it will
  560. [2019-05-17 01:15:07] <Telamon> Chase thats the problem I mentioned earlier
  561. [2019-05-17 01:15:12] <Pill> I think the motivation for a lot of people going to the other server was simply that they had been playing the same UO for years. Same map, same/similar playstyle. So when they heard everything was fresh and new, it was a motivator to go and give it a try. I tried it myself and had fun for a while. Started from nothing, built my small fortune and then started to lack goals and became bored once again
  562. [2019-05-17 01:15:12] <Telamon> fix factions to stop faction X
  563. [2019-05-17 01:15:41] <chase> i mean we are just going off of why people are supposedly not playing factions
  564. [2019-05-17 01:15:45] <Telamon> We need better, well planned solutions
  565. [2019-05-17 01:15:47] <chase> they say stuff like, oh the guards
  566. [2019-05-17 01:15:50] <Air> Yes, because faction X abuses game mechanics to have an advantage
  567. [2019-05-17 01:15:53] <chase> or whatever
  568. [2019-05-17 01:16:03] <Telamon> And can I magically fix that Air?
  569. [2019-05-17 01:16:09] <Air> lets give the Browns brass knockles so they can win the super bowl
  570. [2019-05-17 01:16:11] <chase> but the team who was using guards in that way doesn't even play righ tnow
  571. [2019-05-17 01:16:11] <Telamon> We have 4 bases in 4 vastle different areas with strengths and weakness
  572. [2019-05-17 01:16:24] <Telamon> You start to see my point
  573. [2019-05-17 01:16:30] <Telamon> the fix for factions, is removing them
  574. [2019-05-17 01:16:37] <Telamon> (were not going to do this, but thats where the logic leads)
  575. [2019-05-17 01:16:43] <Air> ?
  576. [2019-05-17 01:16:49] <chase> i think the fix is more incenteive to be in one
  577. [2019-05-17 01:16:49] <Telamon> To fix factions, factions have to be removed
  578. [2019-05-17 01:16:53] <Telamon> to ensure "fairness"
  579. [2019-05-17 01:16:56] <chase> not removal
  580. [2019-05-17 01:17:01] <Telamon> Since by its nature, factions was not designed by OSI to be fair
  581. [2019-05-17 01:17:10] <Air> No, the logic is, some people, like myself, play this game as intended to be played. other people trhive on exploiting mechanics to guarnmtee victory at all costs
  582. [2019-05-17 01:17:12] <Telamon> otherwise we would have 4 identical bases, either inside/outside of town
  583. [2019-05-17 01:17:18] <Pill> The truth is, even if some in game issues are fixed, someone will always use new methods to abuse them, whether it be 3rd party software, scripting etc
  584. [2019-05-17 01:17:19] <chase> like removing price fixing, that removes incentive to hold town
  585. [2019-05-17 01:17:30] <chase> what's the point to even hold a town if we can't fix prices?
  586. [2019-05-17 01:17:35] <Telamon> Thats a disaster Chase
  587. [2019-05-17 01:17:40] <chase> i know but whats the point then
  588. [2019-05-17 01:17:45] <chase> we dont even need the sigils
  589. [2019-05-17 01:17:45] <chase> right now
  590. [2019-05-17 01:17:56] <Air> Its a part of the game to invite pvp
  591. [2019-05-17 01:18:01] <Air> challenge to capture and hold
  592. [2019-05-17 01:18:04] <Air> to conquor
  593. [2019-05-17 01:18:04] <chase> but its not working
  594. [2019-05-17 01:18:09] <chase> no one is logging in to take them
  595. [2019-05-17 01:18:09] <chase> lol
  596. [2019-05-17 01:18:15] <chase> they sat unguarded all day
  597. [2019-05-17 01:18:19] <Telamon> And when someone takes them all the time
  598. [2019-05-17 01:18:21] <Air> because no one cares about factions anymore
  599. [2019-05-17 01:18:21] <Telamon> People complain about that
  600. [2019-05-17 01:18:31] <Air> its so broken, its not worth the effort
  601. [2019-05-17 01:18:31] <chase> because there is 0 incentive to be in one
  602. [2019-05-17 01:18:31] <Telamon> Literally every aspect of factions has been complained about from both sides
  603. [2019-05-17 01:18:32] <Pill> Because what do you get for capturing a town?
  604. [2019-05-17 01:18:34] <Air> to try and hold* the towns
  605. [2019-05-17 01:18:36] <Telamon> when its to active, and whn its not active enough
  606. [2019-05-17 01:18:40] <Telamon> TT controlled the towns for 2 years
  607. [2019-05-17 01:18:41] <Pill> Sit and guard your sigils for 12 hours or whatever it is...
  608. [2019-05-17 01:18:46] <Telamon> And all I heard 24/7 was complaints about that
  609. [2019-05-17 01:18:48] <Pill> stay up late at night... for what reward?
  610. [2019-05-17 01:18:59] <chase> there's no reward or point
  611. [2019-05-17 01:19:03] <chase> we are just trying to fight each other
  612. [2019-05-17 01:19:04] <Air> TT absused guards. and thats not true, we won a few times. then guards started
  613. [2019-05-17 01:19:08] <chase> bu gotta wait like 7 hours between sigil caps
  614. [2019-05-17 01:19:15] <chase> shorten it
  615. [2019-05-17 01:19:22] <chase> 3 days is too long
  616. [2019-05-17 01:19:24] <Pill> well, i am just saying that is primarily why people aren't taking the sigils constantly
  617. [2019-05-17 01:19:27] <Telamon> Its supposed to be 24, 7 was the compromise
  618. [2019-05-17 01:19:50] <chase> yeah i agree pill, we hope they come just to fight
  619. [2019-05-17 01:19:53] <Telamon> But still, to improve factions you cannot just pick things, remove them, or drastically change massive system
  620. [2019-05-17 01:19:56] <chase> but if theres no incentive, why ae they even gonna come
  621. [2019-05-17 01:20:01] <Telamon> you would alienate everyone who used to know factions
  622. [2019-05-17 01:20:08] <Air> ....
  623. [2019-05-17 01:20:09] <Telamon> Nor can you "pay" people to pvp chase
  624. [2019-05-17 01:20:10] <chase> yeah but dude no one is playing them but us
  625. [2019-05-17 01:20:10] <chase> lol
  626. [2019-05-17 01:20:24] <Air> factions was always JUST about pvp...the town ownership, titles, etc is just a bonus
  627. [2019-05-17 01:20:26] <Telamon> Air, the defeatist attitude is just wearing on me at this point
  628. [2019-05-17 01:20:35] <Telamon> Im not going to convince you, to you the server is dead
  629. [2019-05-17 01:20:40] <Telamon> Im just wasting my breathj with you
  630. [2019-05-17 01:20:46] <Telamon> When I could be spending it with players who like the place
  631. [2019-05-17 01:20:54] <Telamon> Ill never make you happy, that seems clear
  632. [2019-05-17 01:21:02] <Air> You literally take my words out of context and disagree with any point i make anhways
  633. [2019-05-17 01:21:09] <chase> i dont feel like its dead at all i just think ppl have the incentive when all they care about is plat farming etc
  634. [2019-05-17 01:21:20] <Telamon> And when removing guards does lure back 1000 factioneers from days past?
  635. [2019-05-17 01:21:26] <chase> no
  636. [2019-05-17 01:21:29] <Air> Its a start
  637. [2019-05-17 01:21:29] <chase> i dont believe so
  638. [2019-05-17 01:21:33] <Air> instead not doing a damn thing
  639. [2019-05-17 01:21:40] <Air> except complaining about my complaining
  640. [2019-05-17 01:21:44] <Telamon> And it makes a case that players can demand removal of any faciton aspect
  641. [2019-05-17 01:21:48] <Telamon> with zero proof that it will help
  642. [2019-05-17 01:22:03] <chase> so instead of removal what about incentive?
  643. [2019-05-17 01:22:10] <chase> like you are trying to add cosmetics
  644. [2019-05-17 01:22:12] <chase> etc
  645. [2019-05-17 01:22:16] <Air> You mentioned earlier what was the point of me even being in here...I guess this was my last attempt to try and hold on
  646. [2019-05-17 01:22:33] <Telamon> By discouraging people in the channel? You could have pm'ed me
  647. [2019-05-17 01:22:44] <Telamon> But thats never the goal, not to fix the server, to get others to share your opinions
  648. [2019-05-17 01:22:45] <Air> It started a much needed discussion
  649. [2019-05-17 01:22:55] <Air> No, I have a very different opinion than a lot of people
  650. [2019-05-17 01:23:07] <Air> you assume i dislike you and the server
  651. [2019-05-17 01:23:14] <Air> yu take a defensive stance when i bring stuff up
  652. [2019-05-17 01:23:31] <Air> But you dont see what I have done for people in this game overe the years without toting about it
  653. [2019-05-17 01:23:50] <chase> pretty sure we all want the same thing
  654. [2019-05-17 01:24:03] <Telamon> Air, if I remove guards for you
  655. [2019-05-17 01:24:14] <Telamon> What is my logic when the faction your fighting wants traps removed
  656. [2019-05-17 01:24:17] <Telamon> Wants bases removed
  657. [2019-05-17 01:24:25] <Telamon> Sorry, I only change things Air requested
  658. [2019-05-17 01:24:33] <Air> Can i say "place trap" 1 hundred times and have 100 traps?
  659. [2019-05-17 01:24:35] <Telamon> Why did you remove guards? Because Air said they were abused 2 years ago
  660. [2019-05-17 01:24:42] <Telamon> Traps have a limit per town, like 12
  661. [2019-05-17 01:24:49] <Air> yea?
  662. [2019-05-17 01:24:50] <Telamon> Same with guards
  663. [2019-05-17 01:24:56] <Air> and guards? whats their spawn limit?
  664. [2019-05-17 01:24:59] <Telamon> That another thing im confused, you are referring to mechanics we dont have
  665. [2019-05-17 01:25:07] <Telamon> Cant be spawned quickly, or near each other
  666. [2019-05-17 01:25:14] <Telamon> Your describingh the IPY/UOAC guard crap
  667. [2019-05-17 01:25:21] <chase> air why not jut go SL then
  668. [2019-05-17 01:25:22] <Telamon> mass spawn, all follow
  669. [2019-05-17 01:25:22] <chase> no one is using it
  670. [2019-05-17 01:25:29] <chase> mvoe all of COM to SL
  671. [2019-05-17 01:25:29] <Telamon> Something UOR has never had
  672. [2019-05-17 01:25:30] <chase> and say fuck COM
  673. [2019-05-17 01:25:47] <Air> so, as the sheriff, i cant hire 10 guards instantly and kill someone?
  674. [2019-05-17 01:25:51] <Telamon> Even now if you played factions, you would realize guards now return home if pulled away from their placement
  675. [2019-05-17 01:25:54] <Pill> (there is no "COM", for the record.....carry on..)
  676. [2019-05-17 01:25:58] <chase> telemon they do not
  677. [2019-05-17 01:25:59] <Telamon> and they now correctly target player tames
  678. [2019-05-17 01:26:04] <chase> i lure them all over
  679. [2019-05-17 01:26:11] <chase> they do not return
  680. [2019-05-17 01:26:13] <chase> i have them in caves
  681. [2019-05-17 01:26:20] <chase> i have them in golem traps
  682. [2019-05-17 01:26:23] <chase> they are all over brit
  683. [2019-05-17 01:26:45] <Telamon> There is still one method that doesnt set their home location, still working on that
  684. [2019-05-17 01:26:48] <chase> they only return
  685. [2019-05-17 01:26:51] <chase> if you attack them
  686. [2019-05-17 01:26:59] <chase> but if they flag you you can walk them forever
  687. [2019-05-17 01:27:16] <chase> guards are a non issue dude
  688. [2019-05-17 01:27:17] <chase> this is stupid
  689. [2019-05-17 01:27:26] <chase> just work on incentive please
  690. [2019-05-17 01:27:27] <Telamon> But Air claims they can be insta spawned for a personal army
  691. [2019-05-17 01:27:32] <chase> even if its like cosmetics
  692. [2019-05-17 01:27:35] <Telamon> Which is confusing as Im not sure that ever worked here
  693. [2019-05-17 01:27:41] <Air> ....
  694. [2019-05-17 01:27:45] <Air> Pill, am I wrong about this?
  695. [2019-05-17 01:27:48] <chase> guards are like a weak mare at most
  696. [2019-05-17 01:27:58] <Air> I rmemeber TT and Iderp instantly spawning guards to whipe us
  697. [2019-05-17 01:28:11] <Air> using a macro to hire 10 at a moments notice
  698. [2019-05-17 01:28:14] <chase> when thats actively happening, lets address it please
  699. [2019-05-17 01:28:14] <Telamon> Not quite sure the idoc guide ever actively factioned
  700. [2019-05-17 01:28:22] <Air> what?
  701. [2019-05-17 01:28:22] <Telamon> But it would only work if the town didnt already have guards
  702. [2019-05-17 01:28:23] <chase> for now, we have 2 active groups w/ no incentive to play
  703. [2019-05-17 01:28:24] <Telamon> and could only be used once
  704. [2019-05-17 01:28:48] <Telamon> Chase i would think pvp is the incentive, but you do hit an interesting point
  705. [2019-05-17 01:28:54] <Telamon> Pvp'ers seem to need to be paid to play
  706. [2019-05-17 01:28:55] <Air> Is this loonyville?
  707. [2019-05-17 01:28:57] <Telamon> without payment, no point to play
  708. [2019-05-17 01:29:00] <chase> it is but they would rather go like PK
  709. [2019-05-17 01:29:05] <chase> or IDOC
  710. [2019-05-17 01:29:07] <chase> its more incentive
  711. [2019-05-17 01:29:08] <Air> Can a sheriff fire guards with a spam macro 10 at a time?
  712. [2019-05-17 01:29:19] <Air> then rehire 10 at a time with a spam macro
  713. [2019-05-17 01:29:32] <Telamon> Air thats something from another server
  714. [2019-05-17 01:29:34] <chase> so cap silver per day
  715. [2019-05-17 01:29:34] <Telamon> With their town systems
  716. [2019-05-17 01:29:38] <Air> .....
  717. [2019-05-17 01:29:39] <chase> to lowr amounts
  718. [2019-05-17 01:29:46] <chase> increase guard rate
  719. [2019-05-17 01:29:50] <Telamon> A variant might work here, but nothing like that
  720. [2019-05-17 01:29:52] <chase> guards are not the issue right now
  721. [2019-05-17 01:29:58] <chase> on a large scale mabye
  722. [2019-05-17 01:30:06] <Air> So I dont have a video of Mes spawning 8 guards on around him and killing 6 of us CpM?
  723. [2019-05-17 01:30:14] <chase> if we get back to large scale factions, i think we can celebrate
  724. [2019-05-17 01:30:25] <Telamon> A. the guards cannot be commanded like pets, and they take time to aggro
  725. [2019-05-17 01:30:32] <chase> complaining about something that's not happening currently is pointless
  726. [2019-05-17 01:30:34] <Telamon> B. they could only be spawned if there were no other guards in town
  727. [2019-05-17 01:30:40] <Telamon> C. to remove them they have to be toggled manually
  728. [2019-05-17 01:30:51] <Air> If im orange, and he spawns them, will they not agro me mmediately?
  729. [2019-05-17 01:30:51] <Telamon> and even so I believe there is a check on other guards nearby to spam more
  730. [2019-05-17 01:30:55] <Telamon> Maybe fixed after that time
  731. [2019-05-17 01:31:15] <Telamon> We drastically limited the amount of guards per town as well
  732. [2019-05-17 01:31:29] <chase> guards are not the issue
  733. [2019-05-17 01:31:29] <Telamon> But we are litterally talking about something from 4 years ago, as a reason you dont play now
  734. [2019-05-17 01:31:35] <chase> why do you keep even addressing it
  735. [2019-05-17 01:31:38] <Telamon> You can see my confusion
  736. [2019-05-17 01:31:42] <Air> because 1 year ago, iderp used the same emchanics
  737. [2019-05-17 01:31:44] <chase> i dont even think he plays
  738. [2019-05-17 01:31:50] <Air> chase
  739. [2019-05-17 01:31:51] <Air> shut
  740. [2019-05-17 01:31:51] <Air> the
  741. [2019-05-17 01:31:53] <Air> up
  742. [2019-05-17 01:31:56] <Telamon> AIR for the record, the minute someone pulls the bullshit IDerp crap
  743. [2019-05-17 01:31:58] <Telamon> I tune out
  744. [2019-05-17 01:32:00] <chase> why are you bitching about something thats happening 1 year ago?
  745. [2019-05-17 01:32:11] <Telamon> You just are showing hate for a group you dont like, which basically renders any argument/point invalid
  746. [2019-05-17 01:32:13] <chase> like go to sleep already
  747. [2019-05-17 01:32:17] <chase> or quit UOR
  748. [2019-05-17 01:32:23] <chase> guards are a non fucking issue
  749. [2019-05-17 01:32:26] <Telamon> You turned that into a slur, so it turns the argument into "I hate these people, so nerf anything they use"
  750. [2019-05-17 01:32:27] <Telamon> not
  751. [2019-05-17 01:32:30] <Air> are you even old enough to play UO chase?
  752. [2019-05-17 01:32:32] <Telamon> I want to help the server improve
  753. [2019-05-17 01:32:44] <WarrenBuffet> chase to be fair it happened before minax started back up
  754. [2019-05-17 01:32:56] <chase> so in other words
  755. [2019-05-17 01:32:58] <chase> its not happening?
  756. [2019-05-17 01:33:01] <WarrenBuffet> TB was doing that stuff before they quit
  757. [2019-05-17 01:33:09] <WarrenBuffet> cause they got called out on it
  758. [2019-05-17 01:33:09] <chase> so lets complain about it now?
  759. [2019-05-17 01:33:11] <Telamon> Chase, we can have a conversation in private about improvements
  760. [2019-05-17 01:33:16] <Air> wow
  761. [2019-05-17 01:33:18] <Telamon> Air seems focused on ancient history and does not have recent playing experience
  762. [2019-05-17 01:33:19] <chase> why are you wasting this guys time
  763. [2019-05-17 01:33:21] <chase> like holy shit
  764. [2019-05-17 01:33:24] <chase> go play a different game
  765. [2019-05-17 01:33:37] <chase> no one will miss you dude
  766. [2019-05-17 01:33:43] <Air> chase, let me ask you question. when did you start playing here?
  767. [2019-05-17 01:33:45] <Telamon> This seems less about UOR and more about hate for TT/IDOC guilds
  768. [2019-05-17 01:33:48] <chase> 2017
  769. [2019-05-17 01:33:52] <Air> exactly
  770. [2019-05-17 01:33:53] <Air> stfu
  771. [2019-05-17 01:33:57] <Air> No, i say
  772. [2019-05-17 01:34:04] <chase> so you want to complain about non issues
  773. [2019-05-17 01:34:09] <chase> for 2 hours straight
  774. [2019-05-17 01:34:11] <chase> cool man
  775. [2019-05-17 01:34:13] <chase> nice life
  776. [2019-05-17 01:34:16] <Air> I say "iderp" referencing TB and whoever was or IS in iderp
  777. [2019-05-17 01:34:18] <Telamon> But he has played this week Air, I suspect you have not logged in to do more than refresh in quite a while
  778. [2019-05-17 01:34:25] <Telamon> Thats literally years ago Man
  779. [2019-05-17 01:34:31] <chase> guy doesnt play
  780. [2019-05-17 01:34:34] <chase> stop wasting your time
  781. [2019-05-17 01:34:37] <chase> let him go
  782. [2019-05-17 01:34:39] <Air> Ive been on every day this week actually, looking for something to do. found no one
  783. [2019-05-17 01:34:50] <WarrenBuffet> chase, the reason its not happening now is because we have an agreement not to
  784. [2019-05-17 01:34:51] <Telamon> Then move on Air
  785. [2019-05-17 01:34:55] <[TnT]RiffRaff> Air got killed by slaney
  786. [2019-05-17 01:34:56] <Telamon> Clearly the server is inferior
  787. [2019-05-17 01:35:01] <Air> So, in the last year, how has factions been?
  788. [2019-05-17 01:35:04] <[TnT]RiffRaff> air got pkd by slaney lol
  789. [2019-05-17 01:35:08] <Telamon> Ive talked to a ton of players this last week who are having a blase
  790. [2019-05-17 01:35:22] <WarrenBuffet> but there is nothing to stop either side from doing it
  791. [2019-05-17 01:35:32] <WarrenBuffet> other than our word
  792. [2019-05-17 01:35:36] <chase> no one is using faction guards for the last 3 weeks
  793. [2019-05-17 01:35:41] <Air> lol
  794. [2019-05-17 01:35:41] <chase> now COM doesnt login
  795. [2019-05-17 01:35:43] <chase> ?
  796. [2019-05-17 01:35:59] <Telamon> Air is literally asking for fixes we have had for months heh
  797. [2019-05-17 01:36:05] <chase> cause dude doesnt play
  798. [2019-05-17 01:36:07] <Telamon> Does make sense if he has not factioned much
  799. [2019-05-17 01:36:07] <Air> chase, you are in way over your head. You dont know anything about this server or its history
  800. [2019-05-17 01:36:25] <chase> i can paint the picture dude
  801. [2019-05-17 01:36:27] <chase> its not hard
  802. [2019-05-17 01:36:32] <Telamon> Yes but he has a point that patching stuff to fix crap from the TT days, circa 2016
  803. [2019-05-17 01:36:34] <Air> No, the gauards are fixed?
  804. [2019-05-17 01:36:36] <Telamon> is not valid for the server today
  805. [2019-05-17 01:36:42] <WarrenBuffet> a removal of the chaos guards from tb base would good as well
  806. [2019-05-17 01:36:42] <chase> guards are not an issue dude
  807. [2019-05-17 01:36:44] <Air> you patched the guards?
  808. [2019-05-17 01:36:47] <Telamon> If you played you would be aware
  809. [2019-05-17 01:36:53] <chase> air, move to SL
  810. [2019-05-17 01:36:56] <Telamon> They still need work, but everything you described is not valid
  811. [2019-05-17 01:36:58] <chase> why stay at COM
  812. [2019-05-17 01:37:03] <chase> if you are just gonna bitch about guards
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  814. [2019-05-17 01:37:06] <WarrenBuffet> they can not be lured away air
  815. [2019-05-17 01:37:06] <chase> goto SL?
  816. [2019-05-17 01:37:07] <Air> So, warren, can you spawn 8 guards at once?
  817. [2019-05-17 01:37:12] <chase> all guards can be lured
  818. [2019-05-17 01:37:21] <WarrenBuffet> not onto boats anymore
  819. [2019-05-17 01:37:23] <[TnT]RiffRaff> there was a patch to make it 1 house per account and with idocs only 25% of the items in house drop and 75% is deleted
  820. [2019-05-17 01:37:37] <chase> as longa s you do not attack the, guards do not return
  821. [2019-05-17 01:37:45] <chase> they will sit there in buildings
  822. [2019-05-17 01:37:50] <WarrenBuffet> they rubber band back to the placed position I was told
  823. [2019-05-17 01:37:52] <Telamon> But if you try to use the guards as a personal army, they will return to their home location
  824. [2019-05-17 01:37:57] <chase> you were fucking told wrong
  825. [2019-05-17 01:38:09] <chase> they teleport when attacked
  826. [2019-05-17 01:38:11] <Telamon> But that was just a first step in fixing their behavior
  827. [2019-05-17 01:38:13] <Air> If i spawn 8 guards in one location, they will not stay there?
  828. [2019-05-17 01:38:20] <chase> if a player walks up
  829. [2019-05-17 01:38:22] <chase> orange
  830. [2019-05-17 01:38:27] <chase> they will follow them endlessly
  831. [2019-05-17 01:38:31] <chase> FOREVER
  832. [2019-05-17 01:38:40] <Telamon> I love it Air, you are literally demanding we test something, to suit your Bias
  833. [2019-05-17 01:38:47] <Air> So explain to me how this was fixed then?
  834. [2019-05-17 01:38:48] <Telamon> and yet you wonder why we are behind, lack time
  835. [2019-05-17 01:38:50] <chase> ive never seen pvpers complain about guards
  836. [2019-05-17 01:38:52] <chase> EVER
  837. [2019-05-17 01:38:57] <chase> crazy
  838. [2019-05-17 01:39:00] <WarrenBuffet> chase, im not trying to fight with you about this man. Just trying to help bridge the gap with air
  839. [2019-05-17 01:39:01] <Air> chase
  840. [2019-05-17 01:39:03] <Air> go to bed
  841. [2019-05-17 01:39:03] <Telamon> Thats a bit of arrogance, you have to admit
  842. [2019-05-17 01:39:06] <Air> its after 9
  843. [2019-05-17 01:39:19] <chase> air login to the game you bitch about for 3 hours straight
  844. [2019-05-17 01:39:23] <chase> and actually play it
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  846. [2019-05-17 01:39:27] <chase> before you open your mouth
  847. [2019-05-17 01:39:28] <Air> telamon you literally just said it was fixed
  848. [2019-05-17 01:39:36] <Air> ye, warren said it still can be done
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  851. [2019-05-17 01:39:46] <Telamon> Ive fixed some things, but I dont think what you described every worked here
  852. [2019-05-17 01:39:57] <Telamon> And if it did, none of you reported it to be fixed
  853. [2019-05-17 01:39:59] <chase> theres only 1 person who can spawn guards anyways
  854. [2019-05-17 01:40:06] <chase> per city
  855. [2019-05-17 01:40:08] <Air> Npo shit chase
  856. [2019-05-17 01:40:11] <Air> stfu
  857. [2019-05-17 01:40:14] <Air> the sheriff.
  858. [2019-05-17 01:40:16] <chase> so youre worried about 1 person?
  859. [2019-05-17 01:40:20] <chase> spawning 8 guards on you
  860. [2019-05-17 01:40:24] <chase> what are you even talking about
  861. [2019-05-17 01:40:31] <Air> you dont get it because youve been here since breakfast
  862. [2019-05-17 01:40:40] <Air> you werent here in the days where it was 20v20
  863. [2019-05-17 01:40:40] <chase> how about login and play
  864. [2019-05-17 01:40:44] <Iago> I'm so happy I muted Air like 2 years ago
  865. [2019-05-17 01:40:46] <Telamon> If this was happening so much Air, why did no one report it to be fixed?
  866. [2019-05-17 01:40:51] <UOR_6016> FUBU?
  867. [2019-05-17 01:40:52] <chase> because its not happening
  868. [2019-05-17 01:40:55] <Air> we reported it 10000 times
  869. [2019-05-17 01:41:07] <Air> why do you think ALL of com left
  870. [2019-05-17 01:41:08] <chase> and when its not happening, they still dont play
  871. [2019-05-17 01:41:14] <WarrenBuffet> just the chaos guards outside tb who reveal theives kinda sucks
  872. [2019-05-17 01:41:14] <Air> chase
  873. [2019-05-17 01:41:14] <chase> so doesnt matter
  874. [2019-05-17 01:41:21] <Air> again you have no idea what your talking about
  875. [2019-05-17 01:41:23] <UOR_2082> HI
  876. [2019-05-17 01:41:27] <UOR_2082> skylark
  877. [2019-05-17 01:41:27] <WarrenBuffet> and they are not orange to anyone in factions
  878. [2019-05-17 01:41:37] <UOR_6016> Hi FUBU!
  879. [2019-05-17 01:41:56] <UOR_2082> this is where people talk about the big issues facing the world
  880. [2019-05-17 01:42:04] <Air> as the sheriff of a town, can you spawn 8 guards into one location by spammming "hire...whatever". Yes or no?
  881. [2019-05-17 01:42:11] <chase> yes
  882. [2019-05-17 01:42:19] <Air> and if an orange player is standing there
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  884. [2019-05-17 01:42:22] <Air> will guards attack them?
  885. [2019-05-17 01:42:28] <chase> not instantly
  886. [2019-05-17 01:42:31] <chase> like any aggro
  887. [2019-05-17 01:42:40] <Air> and you dont underdtand what the concern is there?
  888. [2019-05-17 01:42:46] <Air> and why we stopped factioning?
  889. [2019-05-17 01:42:52] <chase> who is doing this currently?
  890. [2019-05-17 01:42:57] <chase> for the last 3 weeks?
  891. [2019-05-17 01:43:02] <Air> it was ONE of the reason we all stopped
  892. [2019-05-17 01:43:10] <Air> 3 weeks? bro, weven been here for 6 years
  893. [2019-05-17 01:43:15] <chase> ok i get that dude but its not happening now
  894. [2019-05-17 01:43:18] <Air> again, go sit in the corner
  895. [2019-05-17 01:43:20] <chase> and youre talking about 1 person
  896. [2019-05-17 01:43:31] <chase> being able to spawn guards
  897. [2019-05-17 01:43:32] <Telamon> Air, Thats enough of that, your opinion is no more valid than his
  898. [2019-05-17 01:43:33] <Air> 1 person, in the middle of 4 people healing
  899. [2019-05-17 01:43:34] <chase> as if it fucking matters
  900. [2019-05-17 01:43:36] <Telamon> Just because youve been here longer
  901. [2019-05-17 01:43:48] <Telamon> The staff supports the active players here, as I always have
  902. [2019-05-17 01:43:50] <chase> dude im pretty sure ive play UOR server a hell of a lot longer than you
  903. [2019-05-17 01:44:00] <chase> the ruleset is non rare
  904. [2019-05-17 01:44:02] <chase> not
  905. [2019-05-17 01:44:04] <Air> ive never heard of you so youre obvioudly a turd
  906. [2019-05-17 01:44:07] <Telamon> Dont care if youve been here a week, a year or forever, as long as you are a player
  907. [2019-05-17 01:44:13] <chase> you're literally complaining about non issues
  908. [2019-05-17 01:44:19] <chase> faction guards are not the problem
  909. [2019-05-17 01:44:21] <WarrenBuffet> its not happening now because we agreed not to man, but what air is saying is that there is nothing stopping a player from doing that
  910. [2019-05-17 01:44:24] <Air> its a non issue to you because no one is using it against you
  911. [2019-05-17 01:44:32] <chase> why are you concerned about thing that are not happening?
  912. [2019-05-17 01:44:36] <Air> ....
  913. [2019-05-17 01:44:41] <Air> you are literally a moron
  914. [2019-05-17 01:44:41] <chase> why not wait until it happens?
  915. [2019-05-17 01:44:46] <Telamon> Air, I think this has run its cource
  916. [2019-05-17 01:44:51] <chase> whats happening now is COM doesnt even login when there are no guards being used lol
  917. [2019-05-17 01:44:53] <Telamon> UNtil you test it yourself, I think this topic is over
  918. [2019-05-17 01:45:00] <Air> ...
  919. [2019-05-17 01:45:01] <chase> so what you guys are gonna all the sudden login when they are removed?
  920. [2019-05-17 01:45:02] <chase> lolol
  921. [2019-05-17 01:45:08] <chase> arent even logging in now
  922. [2019-05-17 01:45:23] <chase> just need something to bitch about
  923. [2019-05-17 01:45:30] <Telamon> This whole conversation is why we dont have staff Air
  924. [2019-05-17 01:45:37] <Telamon> NO one wants to put up with this bullshit, to be clear
  925. [2019-05-17 01:45:40] <chase> dude literally wastes staff time
  926. [2019-05-17 01:45:43] <Telamon> Nor will I ask anyone to deal with it
  927. [2019-05-17 01:45:44] <chase> with non issues
  928. [2019-05-17 01:45:50] <Air> I get it now
  929. [2019-05-17 01:45:53] <chase> take your break dude
  930. [2019-05-17 01:45:54] <Air> is chase your wife?
  931. [2019-05-17 01:46:00] <Air> side chick?
  932. [2019-05-17 01:46:03] <Air> b/f maybe?
  933. [2019-05-17 01:46:05] <chase> stop your vieled threats
  934. [2019-05-17 01:46:07] <Telamon> Find another server Aior
  935. [2019-05-17 01:46:10] <chase> no one will miss you buddy
  936. [2019-05-17 01:46:10] * Telamon set channel modes +b *!*@Chat4all-C9E5290.cygr.fl.frontiernet.net
  937. [2019-05-17 01:46:13] * Air was kicked by Telamon (Telamon)
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