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- [17:03:02] %Darthikyu: /announce The lecture will now begin, please refrain from interrupting it with needless, irrelevant, or pointless sentences. You're free to ask questions, but please don't troll or a certain # will have to look at you angrily :(
- [17:03:04] YeesusIsDaMvp: Caesar however set up the conditions made for an emperor to come to power
- [17:03:35] YeesusIsDaMvp: Aalbaniaaa well Augustus is not called caesar because most people see Julius as the most important caesar
- [17:03:35] #Lionyx: more like a certain % cause im gonna fall asleep within the next minutes im so tired
- [17:03:36] %Darthikyu: /announce Starting
- [17:03:38] %Darthikyu: ,
- [17:03:39] %Darthikyu: lame
- [17:03:43] %Darthikyu: Anyways
- [17:03:45] shadowsirens♡: ykow whos lamer
- [17:03:49] shadowsirens♡: nobody
- [17:03:58] %Darthikyu: As we all know, some men do not need an introduction (or a long one anyways)
- [17:04:02] %Darthikyu: and one of these poeple is definitely
- [17:04:53] %Darthikyu: .link https://vgy.me/RWBGLp.png
- [17:04:54] |html|<div class="infobox"><a href="https://vgy.me/RWBGLp.png"><img src="https://vgy.me/RWBGLp.png" width="150" height="300"/></a></div>
- [17:05:07] %Darthikyu: The bald and beautiful himself, Julius Caesar
- [17:05:38] RosaDiaz: what a beautiful man
- [17:05:55] Aalbaniaaa: What an alpha
- [17:06:24] %Darthikyu: lol
- [17:06:26] Deoxeon The Noob: i'd have to agree with Aalbaniaaa, that is one hot CAAAAAEEEESSSAARRRRSSSEEE
- [17:06:36] Deoxeon The Noob was warned by Darthikyu. (don't stretch/caps abuse)
- [17:06:51] %Darthikyu: Caesar as a person is often best known for being the Roman dictator that he was
- [17:07:02] RosaDiaz: oh ye dictator
- [17:07:03] RosaDiaz: i am stupid
- [17:07:05] rayu: was the guy who made this statue the same who did the one of christiano ronaldo?
- [17:07:06] %Darthikyu: and while this was definitely a huge part of his life, there are many other aspects of his life that deserve appreciation
- [17:07:16] RosaDiaz: YeesusIsDaMvp look at what rayu said
- [17:07:22] %Darthikyu: rayu this statue was made in 40'ish BC
- [17:07:23] retsaK: darth can I use this info on an essay
- [17:07:24] %Darthikyu: so I doubjt it
- [17:07:33] Aalbaniaaa: xD
- [17:07:44] %Darthikyu: retsaK idt your teacher would find "some dude on PS" a credible source
- [17:07:56] %Darthikyu: now please stop interrupting me with needless stuff, yo ucan do that afterwards
- [17:08:46] %Darthikyu: G. Julius Caesar came from one of the more important families in Rome at the time, The Julia, and his last name (caesar) comes from a c-section
- [17:09:05] %Darthikyu: (because yes, romans knew what a c-section was, it comes from the verb Caedere (cutting))
- [17:09:28] %Darthikyu: To them it was quite literal: you cut open the belly and take out the baby. One of the founding fathers of the family was born that way, and poof, Caesar.
- [17:10:03] %Darthikyu: Throughout his career in life Caesar wasn't exactly the luckiest guy in the world
- [17:10:33] %Darthikyu: his father died at age 16, Sulla (a dictator/tyrant) grabbed power and had a severe dislike for Caesar, Cicero caused him major grief
- [17:10:40] %Darthikyu: in short, he didn't have the easiest path to power
- [17:11:05] YeesusIsDaMvp: Caesar wouldn't have liked it easy
- [17:11:24] %Darthikyu: this is enforced by the fact he had to flee Rome at some point under Sulla's reign (88BC)
- [17:11:37] %Darthikyu: He fled Rome and joined the army, where he was a very distinguished soldier
- [17:11:49] %Darthikyu: at this point, it's important to point out the Roman army had 2 sides: Nobles, and commoners
- [17:11:57] schnalkser: His father was 16 when he died?
- [17:12:00] schnalkser: what a player
- [17:12:26] %Darthikyu: The commoners are easy, they are footfolk and cannon fodder (figuratively) and usually had no real presence
- [17:12:49] %Darthikyu: the best they could become was Primus Pilus - a man who has a lot of influence and helps the Imperatores, but who doesn't have actual influence politically or a say
- [17:13:23] %Darthikyu: Nobles on the other hand underwent a different route, they became the leaders and tacticians of the army in the form of Legates, Decates, Centuriones, and imperatores
- [17:14:39] %Darthikyu: Caesar did a decent job in the army at the time, and made himself distinguished, which would later help his cause
- [17:15:02] %Darthikyu: It's also at this moment in time he returned home and got captured by pirates, resulting in the rather famous story where he demands the pirates ask for a bigger ransom
- [17:16:03] %Darthikyu: skipping to a bit later in time, Caesar managed to gather massive influence among the commonfolk, because he "helped them out" and motioned a lot of laws that would aid them in their daily life
- [17:16:21] YeesusIsDaMvp: Caesar was insulted at the ransom demand, which he saw as too low, and promised to crucify the pirates after he was free.
- [17:16:27] YeesusIsDaMvp: lmao
- [17:16:29] %Darthikyu: which he did
- [17:16:31] YeesusIsDaMvp: ik
- [17:16:33] %Darthikyu: but he slid their throats first
- [17:16:37] YeesusIsDaMvp: it's just the sentence is so good
- [17:16:44] %Darthikyu: cause unlike crassus, he didn't exactly enjoy seeing men die slowly
- [17:16:46] %Darthikyu: this of course helped him become Consul around 65BC (alongside Bibulus)
- [17:17:00] %Darthikyu: With Caesar now Consul, he had a grander scheme in his sights
- [17:17:23] %Darthikyu: He was monetarily in debt to Marcus Crassus, and politically in debt to Pompey, both legendary imperatores in Rome
- [17:17:36] %Darthikyu: Crassus for putting down the slave revolts, Pompey for taking out huge pirate bands
- [17:17:37] RosaDiaz: :o
- [17:18:08] RosaDiaz: so um was caesar considered liked by the majority?
- [17:18:11] %Darthikyu: Caesar however knew that Pompey's army influence, Crassus' money, and his popular influence meant they controlled the city together, and convinced the other two of his cause
- [17:18:13] %Darthikyu: yes
- [17:18:18] RosaDiaz: oh okay o.o
- [17:18:19] %Darthikyu: Rome's general populace adored Caesar
- [17:18:28] RosaDiaz: well then who didnt like him
- [17:18:30] RosaDiaz: except for
- [17:18:31] RosaDiaz: ya know
- [17:18:32] %Darthikyu: he was charismatic, empathic, knew how to speak/address people, and made a lot of promises
- [17:18:37] %deetah~♥: Heya Cosmo
- [17:18:40] %Darthikyu: most people that disliked him were members of the Senate
- [17:18:49] %Darthikyu: because he had too much power drawn to himself
- [17:18:49] %deetah~♥: Oh the lecture :o
- [17:18:52] %Darthikyu: but more on that later
- [17:18:57] RosaDiaz: ah i see C:
- [17:19:05] YeesusIsDaMvp: I'm just waiting for the campaigns
- [17:19:16] %Darthikyu: Crassus and Pompey both realized the importance of popular power, but both of them thought they could easily ignore caesar once they had power
- [17:19:20] %Darthikyu: (they were wrong)
- [17:19:36] %Darthikyu: This alliance between the three men, albeit unofficial, became known as the First Triumvirate
- [17:20:23] %Darthikyu: The Triumvirate heavily supported the general public for their support, while also intimidating enemies with the soliders of Pompey, with Crassus acting as a source of money allthewhile
- [17:20:39] %Darthikyu: this combination proved to be the ultimate rule over rome, but as anyone could tell you, it didn't last
- [17:21:06] RosaDiaz: o.o
- [17:22:04] %Darthikyu: Caesar in the meantime had 4 roman legions under his control, and due to how Rome worked, his immunity to the senate's representaille was coming to an end
- [17:22:21] %Darthikyu: so he fled to his provinces in Gaul (west-Europe) to avoid sticky situations for a while
- [17:22:55] %Darthikyu: However, this is where it all gets messy
- [17:23:01] RosaDiaz: oh no
- [17:23:08] YeesusIsDaMvp: well
- [17:23:11] YeesusIsDaMvp: fled and fled
- [17:23:20] YeesusIsDaMvp: he wanted to go on conquest in gaul
- [17:23:24] %Darthikyu: Caesar, as anyone knows, led large battles against the Germanic and Gaul tribes in the north who fought against him, for multiple reasons
- [17:23:41] RosaDiaz: hmm o.o
- [17:23:54] %Darthikyu: Reason 1: Fame and glory. Pompey had too much military might, but Caesar correctly assumed that if he became a glorified field commander (even more) he could rival him in that aspect
- [17:24:15] %Darthikyu: Reason 2: Money. he was still deep in depth, and Crasssus started refusing to cover for him. Wiping out tribes is worthwhile in that aspect.
- [17:24:32] %Darthikyu: Reason 3: Popularity. Wiping out tribes of the "barbarians" was simply a good way to gain support
- [17:25:02] %Darthikyu: However, as I mentiuoned, Caesar wasn't a lucky guy
- [17:25:44] %Darthikyu: his daughter (married to pompey, securing their alliance) died in childbirth, Crassus died in an attempt to conquer the east, and Pompey refused a new marriage
- [17:26:02] %Darthikyu: in short the two remaining power men both knew one of the two had to go, neither of them liked the other anyways
- [17:27:27] %Darthikyu: it is at this point in time Caesar became the dictator most people knew him as:
- [17:27:27] %Darthikyu: Due to him not being a governor anymore officially, the senate of Rome demanded he return to Rome
- [17:27:49] %Darthikyu: however, he knew he'd be prosecuted if he did, so he refused to disband his army, and instead crossed the Rubicon (border) and challenged Pompey directly
- [17:28:05] %Darthikyu: many people associate the sentence "Alea Iacta est" with this event
- [17:28:15] YeesusIsDaMvp: great quote
- [17:28:18] YeesusIsDaMvp: top 5 quote of all time
- [17:28:28] %Darthikyu: even though he'd more likely have said Alea Iacta esto
- [17:28:35] YeesusIsDaMvp: ""The die is cast"
- [17:28:35] %Darthikyu: (let the die be cast)
- [17:28:39] YeesusIsDaMvp: yeah
- [17:28:52] YeesusIsDaMvp: basically crossing the rubicon started the roman civil war
- [17:29:02] %Darthikyu: Sparing the huge war, Caesar defeated Pompey and became dictator of Rome
- [17:29:12] YeesusIsDaMvp: hold up
- [17:29:25] schnalkser: I rooted for caesar the entire time
- [17:29:28] YeesusIsDaMvp: can I just go in with a slight explanation of what happened to pompey
- [17:29:31] schnalkser: im glad he won
- [17:29:48] YeesusIsDaMvp: pompey got caught by pro caesar people and they chopped his head off and put it in a box and gave it to caesar
- [17:29:56] %Darthikyu: that
- [17:29:59] YeesusIsDaMvp: when Caesar was given the box and saw the head of pompey he was disgusted
- [17:30:02] RosaDiaz: caesear is a cool guy
- [17:30:11] %Darthikyu: Caesar generally didn't execute his enemies
- [17:30:18] YeesusIsDaMvp: because he never wanted pompey to die because he still considered him a friend despite their fight
- [17:30:27] %Darthikyu: in fact he pardoned most to all of his enemies politically
- [17:30:36] %Darthikyu: (which he really shouldnt have done given what most of them would do later)
- [17:30:49] %Darthikyu: Be it as it may, Caesar ruled of Rome in a decent and relatively fair way
- [17:31:04] %Darthikyu: but greed is greed, and on the Ides of March 44BC he was assassinated by multiple members of the Senate
- [17:31:18] %Darthikyu: Ironically, both Mark Anthony and his Wife had rumors of this assassination
- [17:31:28] %Darthikyu: but to his wife he mocked her, and left his bodyguards at home
- [17:31:29] rayu: like some order 66 stuff?
- [17:31:30] YeesusIsDaMvp: also it was because pompey died that Cleopatra snuck into the palace in alexandria wrapped into a carpet and rolled herself out "presumably naked" in front of caesar
- [17:31:40] +RossW: rip
- [17:31:48] %Darthikyu: and Mark anthony never had a chance to tell him, as he was intercepted before he could
- [17:31:58] %Darthikyu: And such is the end of Caesar, Assassinated and now dead
- [17:32:11] rayu: mark anthony had a really modern name for his time, lol
- [17:32:18] YeesusIsDaMvp: Darthikyu erm actually wasn't caesar given word of the assassination
- [17:32:20] #Lionyx: its translated
- [17:32:31] schnalkser: wait that was the story?
- [17:32:36] rayu: why would you translate it
- [17:32:40] %Darthikyu: YeesusIsDaMvp sources, bad ones, good ones, arguable
- [17:32:41] schnalkser: kinda anticlimactic at the end
- [17:32:42] rayu: you dont do it in other languages, right?
- [17:32:55] %Darthikyu: can we stop interrupting my lecture about this dudes name
- [17:33:00] #Lionyx: some languages do, other dont
- [17:33:03] %Darthikyu: it's marcus antonius in latin, Mark Antony in english
- [17:33:12] #Lionyx: marc antoine in french
- [17:33:27] %Darthikyu: The only confirmed things are that Caesar mocked his bodyguards for implying he needed them
- [17:33:29] rayu: shouldnt a lecture spark discussion
- [17:33:30] %Darthikyu: and went into thye senate alone
- [17:33:49] rayu: yeah well its marcus antonius in german
- [17:33:51] rayu: guess german rules
- [17:33:56] YeesusIsDaMvp: he refused to bring the bodyguards in because he didn't want to seem like a tyrant
- [17:34:03] %Darthikyu: maybe, maybe not
- [17:34:12] %Darthikyu: he's dead so it's hard to know, lol
- [17:34:26] %Darthikyu: Suetonius always writes Caesar off as a man with a superiority complex
- [17:34:33] %Darthikyu: Plutarch usually looks for more "sensible" reasoning
- [17:34:40] schnalkser: did caesar get to capture all of gaul before he died?
- [17:34:41] %Darthikyu: so their explanations for events are often paradoxal
- [17:34:43] YeesusIsDaMvp: also my Favorite Caesar moment is when he broke down crying in front of Alexander the greats tomb in alexandria
- [17:35:07] %Darthikyu: anyways really moving on cause time
- [17:35:22] YeesusIsDaMvp: He wept infront of the tomb because Alexander had conquered basically all of the known world at the age of 30 and caesar at the age of 50 had done nothing close to that
- [17:35:40] YeesusIsDaMvp: and I just find that crazy because even Caesar had idols
- [17:36:01] schnalkser: such a fanboy
- [17:36:08] %Darthikyu: Octavian, later known as Augustus, was the adoptive son of Caesar
- [17:36:14] RosaDiaz: how cute
- [17:36:27] %Darthikyu: Long story short he inherited a lot from Caesar, including the technical rule over the Roman republic
- [17:36:28] YeesusIsDaMvp: wasn't he also his nephew by blood Darthikyu?
- [17:37:09] %Darthikyu: caesar was his great uncle
- [17:37:35] %Darthikyu: anyways, Octavian inherited a lot and decided he wanted political power too (through some loops, but he decided it in the end)
- [17:37:59] %Darthikyu: however, issues arose as Mark Anthony was very, very forgiving to the assassins of Caesar
- [17:38:04] %Darthikyu: something Octavian could not stand
- [17:38:43] %Darthikyu: However, he needed him, so Octavian, Mark Anthony, and Lipid formed the official second triumvirate, which officially had power for 5 years
- [17:38:59] %Darthikyu: (Lipid died so fast that he's completely forgettable)
- [17:39:45] rayu: ok, so this name thing still bothers me
- [17:40:03] %Darthikyu: Now, you gotta understand, Romans care about Romans
- [17:40:05] %Darthikyu: and not much else
- [17:40:16] rayu: why does marcus antonius get translated even tho his name is very important and like octavian, who has a way older/weirder name, doesnt get his name changed
- [17:40:25] RosaDiaz: keep it 300 just like the rmans
- [17:40:26] RosaDiaz: romans
- [17:40:30] RosaDiaz: like kanye said.
- [17:40:33] RosaDiaz: (yes im joking)
- [17:40:50] %Darthikyu: so When Octavian showed to the senate that Mark Anthony (engaged with Cleopatra) would've given all his inheritance away to his sons, Egyptians, and burried himself in Alexandria (as an Egyptian)
- [17:41:11] %Darthikyu: the senate decided to revoke all of Anthony's titles, powers, and grants, which let Octavian dispose of him
- [17:41:57] %Darthikyu: again sparing the long war story, Anthony and Cleopatra both committed suicide, followed by the death of Caesarion (her son) and the end of the Pharaoh rule in Egypt, as it became annexed by Rome
- [17:42:10] schnalkser: Wait he dated his stepmom?
- [17:42:18] schnalkser: ehw
- [17:42:25] %Darthikyu: what
- [17:42:38] schnalkser: i thought cleopatra was caesars wife
- [17:42:49] schnalkser: and now Anthony is dating her
- [17:42:58] schnalkser: uncool
- [17:43:14] %Darthikyu: did you have an actual point
- [17:43:22] %Darthikyu: 2 people had the same wife
- [17:43:24] %Darthikyu: what's the point
- [17:43:44] schnalkser: oh wait
- [17:43:47] schnalkser: sorry my bad
- [17:43:55] schnalkser: i confused octavian and anthony
- [17:44:01] schnalkser: mixxed them up
- [17:44:03] schnalkser: continue
- [17:44:09] %Darthikyu: Long story short, Octavian became the sole ruler of Romne
- [17:44:22] %Darthikyu: and by incremental policies and power grants, he slowly gave himself pmore power without seeming a dictator
- [17:44:29] rayu: like erdogan?
- [17:44:43] %Darthikyu: uhm... sort of... I guess
- [17:44:46] harrybotter: no erdogan is clearly looking like a dictator
- [17:44:52] %Darthikyu: we're not debating that
- [17:44:55] %Darthikyu: to the point the Senate __gave__ him the name Augustus (the elevated one) and Princeps (Emperor)
- [17:45:44] %Darthikyu: Augustus expanded the Roman empire to one of its heights
- [17:45:47] %Darthikyu: .link https://www.ancient.eu/uploads/images/4334.jpg
- [17:45:47] |html|<div class="infobox"><a href="https://www.ancient.eu/uploads/images/4334.jpg"><img src="https://www.ancient.eu/uploads/images/4334.jpg" width="400" height="277"/></a></div>
- [17:45:56] %Darthikyu: everything colored was conquered at some point by Augustus
- [17:45:59] %Darthikyu: (or his predecessors)
- [17:46:06] harrybotter: dayum
- [17:46:41] schnalkser: that map is wrong
- [17:46:52] schnalkser: it shows all of gaul is captured
- [17:46:59] %Darthikyu: which is was
- [17:46:59] schnalkser: But one small village of indomitable Gauls still holds out against the invaders.
- [17:47:06] %Darthikyu: /me rolls eyes
- [17:47:06] harrybotter: oh ffs
- [17:47:11] schnalkser: thank you
- [17:47:13] harrybotter: XD
- [17:47:13] schnalkser: finally
- [17:47:13] %Darthikyu: the so called Pax romana, where armed troops guarded the empire, made the empire a stable and rather good place to live
- [17:47:14] Aalbaniaaa: kek
- [17:47:22] schnalkser: i waited the whole time
- [17:47:46] %Darthikyu: luckily Augustus died on time
- [17:48:08] %Darthikyu: and from 14 AD onwards (his year of death), the succession of emperors begun
- [17:48:23] %Darthikyu: .link https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/c/c0/JulioClaudian.svg/1000px-JulioClaudian.svg.png
- [17:48:23] |html|<div class="infobox"><a href="https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/c/c0/JulioClaudian.svg/1000px-JulioClaudian.svg.png"><img src="https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/c/c0/JulioClaudian.svg/1000px-JulioClaudian.svg.png" width="383" height="300"/></a></div>
- [17:48:26] %Darthikyu: oh lol
- [17:48:30] RosaDiaz: YOu know the most suprising thing ive ever heard about ancient rome is probably something i cant talk about
- [17:48:44] %Darthikyu: pm me
- [17:48:46] %Darthikyu: I'll decide
- [17:48:49] %Darthikyu: .link https://vgy.me/cLIqCs.png
- [17:48:49] harrybotter: wow that tree though
- [17:48:49] |html|<div class="infobox"><a href="https://vgy.me/cLIqCs.png"><img src="https://vgy.me/cLIqCs.png" width="400" height="250"/></a></div>
- [17:48:58] %Darthikyu: This is a very small list of the family of Augustus
- [17:49:43] rayu: btw
- [17:50:04] rayu: I see what agrippina and germanicus were doing
- [17:50:07] %Darthikyu: It boils down to the fact Augustus didn't have sons, so he adopted Tiberius, who adopted Caligula (for less than ethical reasons... supposedly), Caligula was replaced with his uncle Claudius, who was murdered by his wife in favor of his adoptive son Nero
- [17:50:10] %Darthikyu: who was killed by his own guard which ended the dynasty
- [17:50:34] RosaDiaz: cool i learned something about tiberius!
- [17:50:48] %Darthikyu: That resulted in the 4 emperor year, where 3 general emperors took power only to be ousted by Vespasian
- [17:50:51] RosaDiaz: i dontthink hes cool anymore.
- [17:50:55] %Darthikyu: and Vespasian would then continue the empire
- [17:51:07] %Darthikyu: Which is a good point to end with cause Vespasian was a gucci boi
- [17:51:10] %Darthikyu: (he built the colosseum)
- [17:51:20] RosaDiaz: ive always wondered who built it
- [17:51:22] %Darthikyu: /announce and with that it's over, feel free to ask questions now
- [17:51:32] harrybotter: nice lecture Darthi
- [17:51:41] harrybotter: question Darthi (maybe a bit off topic)
- [17:51:42] harrybotter: What was bigger: The roman empire at its peak or the Ottoman empire at its peak?
- [17:51:51] RosaDiaz: idk if its with the greeks or not but wasnt there a moment in history where like a son of an emperor who had a limp survived a big upsrising
- [17:51:52] schnalkser: rome is cool
- [17:51:57] %deetah~♥: Very nice Darth!
- [17:52:05] %deetah~♥: Thank you for that lovely lecture
- [17:52:09] %Darthikyu: Roman, harrybotter
- [17:52:21] RosaDiaz: and he became one of the best emperors or something
- [17:52:30] RosaDiaz: idk if you talked about that but o.o
- [17:52:36] Freelia: who did better caesar, or thanos
- [17:52:47] RosaDiaz: well thanos made things perfectly balanced.
- [17:52:52] RosaDiaz: caesar well
- [17:52:54] RosaDiaz: didnt
- [17:52:55] %Darthikyu: well the ottoman empire was slightly bigger by size ig
- [17:53:01] %Darthikyu: but if you exclude deserts
- [17:53:06] %Darthikyu: Roman wins :3
- [17:53:10] Freelia: roman was cute
- [17:53:10] %Darthikyu: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_largest_empires
- [17:53:12] harrybotter: lel
- [17:53:15] schnalkser: Do you think a reborn caesar today would make Italy strong again?
- [17:53:21] Freelia: no
- [17:53:23] RosaDiaz: do you know who im tlaking about by any chance Darthikyu o.o
- [17:53:25] harrybotter: thanks Darthi <3
- [17:53:38] RosaDiaz: thank you darthi
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