On 'reboots'

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[20:54:01] <Rosette_Garrand> ......
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[20:54:58] <&Shinaru_Sayuno> Just wait a moment.
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[20:56:34] <Remilia_Scarlet> Alrighty. Now we wait for reboot stuffs to talk about~
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[20:56:57] <Haiiro> The main things are probably 'when' and 'what'
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[20:58:56] <&Shinaru_Sayuno> Right, so.
[20:59:07] <Haru_Yamato> I'm actually wondering about the gist of the details so... sorry if I'm not quite understanding everything
[20:59:16] <&Shinaru_Sayuno> Rosette, reiterate what you said in Touhou OOC earlier.
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[21:01:39] * Topic is 'This is a channel where things regarding the community and other such matters are discussed.'
[21:01:39] * Set by Kotohime on Sat Apr 20 16:09:01
[21:01:45] <Remilia_Scarlet> I also think we might need turn order, but that's another can of worms. :I
[21:01:50] <&Shinaru_Sayuno> And before, I've looked at them as being something that should be available to everyone if they make something worth RPing with.
[21:01:57] <Rosette_Garrand> As for Canon characters, we also need to take a look at them, however, since they're more or less limited by their canon, they won't need as much scrutiny
[21:02:34] <&Shinaru_Sayuno> Rosette, you'd be surprised at how easily someone can take a character, gut them, and then fill them with something that isn't them, then have the nerve to call it "headcanon."
[21:02:49] <&Shinaru_Sayuno> 10 points if you can guess which scenario I'm thinking of.
[21:03:14] <Remilia_Scarlet> To whom are you referring? D:
[21:03:20] <Nazrin> Not a different community or anything!
[21:03:22] * Remilia_Scarlet you lost me. :<
[21:04:25] <&Shinaru_Sayuno> Somewhere else, yes.
[21:04:31] <Remilia_Scarlet> The canon review thing, I'll probably do well on, since I stick pretty close to canon facts. However, yeah...sometimes people do strange things with canons. :<
[21:04:39] <&Shinaru_Sayuno> Regardless to say, canon should not be ignored, but it also should not be a priority.
[21:05:02] <&Shinaru_Sayuno> But it'll be easier to deal with issues with canon.
[21:05:12] <&Shinaru_Sayuno> We all know Touhou, we all know the characters and what they should be like.
[21:05:20] <Remilia_Scarlet> Mhm~
[21:05:26] <Rosette_Garrand> That's why I said the focus should be on OCs
[21:05:26] * Remilia_Scarlet teasip. :3
[21:05:30] <&Shinaru_Sayuno> If something is horribly wrong then it's okay to stand up and go, "Hold on. That's horribly wrong."
[21:05:31] <Rosette_Garrand> since they're more prone to breakage
[21:05:39] <Remilia_Scarlet> Indeed, Rosette.
[21:05:49] <&Shinaru_Sayuno> Yes, OCs...
[21:05:59] <&Shinaru_Sayuno> What should be done about OCs.
[21:06:02] * Rosette_Garrand stares at Shinaru's character
[21:06:06] <&Shinaru_Sayuno> HMMM?
[21:06:11] <Nazrin> Kill them all!
[21:06:11] <Rosette_Garrand> Nah
[21:06:14] <Rosette_Garrand> I just think
[21:06:19] <Rosette_Garrand> ..... that chest is too ginormous
[21:06:20] <Rosette_Garrand> .....
[21:06:23] * Rosette_Garrand coughs slightly
[21:06:24] <Nazrin> Stop
[21:06:26] <Remilia_Scarlet> XD
[21:06:28] <Rosette_Garrand> anyways back to serious topic
[21:06:30] <Nazrin> Stopstopstopstop--
[21:06:33] <Remilia_Scarlet> This is serious, Rosette. :I
[21:06:34] <Haru_Yamato> the OC situation... more focused on how they fit into the Gensokyo world?
[21:06:35] <Flandoll> No killing- Unless necessary..!
[21:06:40] <Rosette_Garrand> Anyways
[21:06:44] <Rosette_Garrand> After that light humour
[21:06:45] <Remilia_Scarlet> I agree with Haru.
[21:06:46] <&Shinaru_Sayuno> Yes Haru, correct.
[21:06:49] <Remilia_Scarlet> OCs NEED to fit.
[21:07:03] <Rosette_Garrand> Also
[21:07:05] <&Shinaru_Sayuno> One thing that people surprisingly make their first mistake on is: MY CHARACTER IS NOT A TOUHOU
[21:07:15] <&Shinaru_Sayuno> What is a Touhou?
[21:07:16] <Rosette_Garrand> I feel that Tengu, Kappa and humans need to have more closer looks
[21:07:25] <Remilia_Scarlet> If they don't make sense and you can't justify them in Touhou, there's no point in having them. :o
[21:07:25] <&Shinaru_Sayuno> Well, many researches have debated this topic for centuries.
[21:07:44] <&Shinaru_Sayuno> Let's throw out buzz words.
[21:07:47] <&Shinaru_Sayuno> What makes a Touhou?
[21:07:51] <Rosette_Garrand> In any case
[21:07:51] <&Shinaru_Sayuno> Japan.
[21:07:59] <Rosette_Garrand> Kappa, Tengu and Humans
[21:07:59] <&Shinaru_Sayuno> Magic
[21:08:01] <Flandoll> Traditional Japan, rahter!
[21:08:04] <Rosette_Garrand> have their own strict society
[21:08:04] <Flandoll> ...
[21:08:09] <Flandoll> rather*
[21:08:10] <&Shinaru_Sayuno> ROSETTE
[21:08:12] <Remilia_Scarlet> Bullets, magical powers and...whatever else. :D
[21:08:12] <&Shinaru_Sayuno> BUZZ WORDS
[21:08:14] <&Shinaru_Sayuno> THROW THEM!
[21:08:14] <Haiiro> Maids
[21:08:16] <Rosette_Garrand> :/
[21:08:23] * Rosette_Garrand throws tsukumogami
[21:08:24] <Nazrin> UM A TOUHOU
[21:08:28] <Nazrin> YOUKAI
[21:08:28] <Haiiro> can't say I'm wrong
[21:08:38] <Nazrin> ...Haiiro--
[21:08:44] <Flandoll> ...
[21:08:46] <Haiiro> There's SOME Western in Touhou land, despite everything
[21:08:54] <&Shinaru_Sayuno> Youkai, humans, gods, monsters, traditional japan, religion, tea, bullets, danmaku, magic...
[21:09:09] <&Shinaru_Sayuno> Aha, yes, very well spotted Haiiro.
[21:09:18] <Remilia_Scarlet> Indeed. :3
[21:09:20] <&Shinaru_Sayuno> And who do we have to blame for that?
[21:09:25] <&Shinaru_Sayuno> None other than Yukari.
[21:09:26] <Haiiro> We could at least stick to mythology on that end, though
[21:09:32] <&Shinaru_Sayuno> However.
[21:09:32] <Flandoll> Pfff-
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[21:09:33] <Remilia_Scarlet> And moi~...
[21:09:47] * Remilia_Scarlet snugmaids.
[21:09:59] <&Shinaru_Sayuno> Yukari does not gap in every average Joe who just so happened to be there.
[21:10:05] * Sakuya_Izayoi plays with Remilia's wings. "I was summoned."
[21:10:15] <&Shinaru_Sayuno> And if she is, chances are that average Joe is food for youkai.
[21:10:16] <Flandoll> Yes-
[21:10:19] <Remilia_Scarlet> Exactly~
[21:10:28] <Remilia_Scarlet> Premium meat. :9
[21:10:31] <&Shinaru_Sayuno> Now let's look at my Sayu.
[21:10:43] <&Shinaru_Sayuno> She's an outsider, but she's also a very old, very wise and very powerful goddess.
[21:10:47] <&Shinaru_Sayuno> Let's look at Kanako.
[21:11:02] <&Shinaru_Sayuno> She's an outsider, but she's also old, wise, powerful etc.
[21:11:21] <&Shinaru_Sayuno> They're big names, and they probably wouldn't have any trouble contacting Yukari or bypassing the border on their own.
[21:11:40] * Rosette_Garrand should note that she didn't have a problem with the character, just the drawing
[21:11:53] <&Shinaru_Sayuno> Remilia? Who knows. They're an interesting group of individuals who either found a way to bypass the border, or they contacted Yukari to let them in.
[21:12:00] * Rosette_Garrand thinks we're getting WAAAY too distracted
[21:12:14] <Rosette_Garrand> AHEM
[21:12:15] <&Shinaru_Sayuno> Just deviated, a bit.
[21:12:24] <&Shinaru_Sayuno> Needless to say, this is Touhou.
[21:12:28] <Rosette_Garrand> Anyways back to the topic at hand
[21:12:28] <&Shinaru_Sayuno> Keep it Touhou.
[21:12:32] <&Shinaru_Sayuno> Reboot.
[21:12:38] <Rosette_Garrand> So we've addressed OCS
[21:12:44] <Rosette_Garrand> We've addressed CCs
[21:12:54] <Nazrin> Aaaaaa reboot... ;;;;;;;;
[21:12:57] <Rosette_Garrand> Let's address the scope of the reboot in terms of history then
[21:13:00] <Remilia_Scarlet> I figure Remi managed to get in by contacting Yukarin somehow. x3
[21:13:04] <Remilia_Scarlet> But anyways~
[21:13:21] <&Shinaru_Sayuno> I think that all the RP that has happened thus far is perfectly fine.
[21:13:59] <Flandoll> Ah.. this.. The subject of the history from this reboot is the only thing that's keeping me from.. fully supporting it-
[21:14:07] <Nazrin> ^
[21:14:17] <Sakuya_Izayoi> cooking dinner now actually
[21:14:51] <Flandoll> I haven't a problem with any other aspects-
[21:15:29] <Rosette_Garrand> Then shall we scrap the point about restarting History through Keine-hax?
[21:15:33] <&Shinaru_Sayuno> Does anyone have an issue with current RP plots, stories and developments that have happend so far?
[21:15:38] <&Shinaru_Sayuno> Yeah.
[21:15:42] <&Shinaru_Sayuno> That's what I think would be good.
[21:15:52] <Haiiro> Not a single one, I'm one of the folk that voted No just because of the history loss
[21:16:43] <&Shinaru_Sayuno> Yes? No?
[21:16:47] <Haru_Yamato> I don't know what happened thus far so... I'm unsure
[21:16:55] <Haru_Yamato> but I have no issues at this time
[21:17:08] <&Shinaru_Sayuno> Well, I'll assume that's a whopping "No."
[21:17:13] <&Shinaru_Sayuno> Next, applications.
[21:17:21] <Rosette_Garrand> Everyone who made an OC
[21:17:25] <Rosette_Garrand> must resubmit it formally
[21:17:30] <&Shinaru_Sayuno> People don't like the idea of having to reapply for their characters.
[21:17:37] <Rosette_Garrand> No
[21:17:44] <Rosette_Garrand> This is necessary
[21:17:47] <Rosette_Garrand> You can still use the character
[21:17:51] <Rosette_Garrand> however, if it gets REJECTED
[21:17:57] <Rosette_Garrand> then you will be forced to stop using the character
[21:18:15] <Haru_Yamato> I don't like the idea either, but there's some good points there
[21:18:19] <&Shinaru_Sayuno> I'm thinking of this idea instead, in order to RP as your OC, you must have a wiki page with some form of content explaining who they are.
[21:18:20] <Rosette_Garrand> So between submission and assessment, you are still allowed to use the character
[21:18:30] * Rosette_Garrand disagrees
[21:18:40] * Flandoll agrees..!
[21:18:41] <&Shinaru_Sayuno> Why?
[21:18:46] <Rosette_Garrand> The reason why I want an application is because you can keep track of the OCs
[21:18:55] <Rosette_Garrand> Just throwing it on the wiki isn't enough
[21:19:02] <&Shinaru_Sayuno> I can also keep track of OCs by looking at recent changes or by looking at the OC list on the front page.
[21:19:03] <Rosette_Garrand> it must be brought to attention in a forum message
[21:19:05] <Sakuya_Izayoi> i return
[21:19:08] <Rosette_Garrand> so the admins can formally address it
[21:19:08] <Nazrin> Agreeeed...! On the wiki pages...
[21:19:11] <Flandoll> But any OCs made beyond this point will have an app anyway..!
[21:19:17] <Rosette_Garrand> Yes
[21:19:18] <Remilia_Scarlet> Exactly!
[21:19:24] <Rosette_Garrand> How about the old ones?
[21:19:27] <Remilia_Scarlet> Which is why they should re-app so it's official?
[21:19:27] <&Shinaru_Sayuno> If I see something I don't like on an OC, I will tell you about it.
[21:19:40] <Remilia_Scarlet> OCs, I mean.
[21:19:43] <Rosette_Garrand> No, I would like it to be formal
[21:19:53] <Sakuya_Izayoi> okay so someone bring me up to speed
[21:19:56] <Rosette_Garrand> A formal resubmission because it means that everyone knows
[21:20:01] <Haru_Yamato> is there a particular format for these reapplications?
[21:20:06] <&Shinaru_Sayuno> Not yet, no.
[21:20:32] <Sakuya_Izayoi> wait... you're making everyone reapply? or just OCs?
[21:20:44] <&Shinaru_Sayuno> Just OCs, I believe.
[21:20:46] <Rosette_Garrand> Just OCs
[21:20:54] <Rosette_Garrand> If you already have the character
[21:20:57] <Rosette_Garrand> then it's really no trouble
[21:21:00] <Rosette_Garrand> Just copy paste it in
[21:21:02] <&Shinaru_Sayuno> Which I can agree with in one sense, but I prefer the Wiki's formatting over the Forum's.
[21:21:06] <Rosette_Garrand> it takes 2 minutes
[21:21:07] <Rosette_Garrand> At most
[21:21:14] * Rinnosuke_Morichika technically already had his OC.
[21:21:18] <Rosette_Garrand> And then there's a record
[21:21:29] <Haru_Yamato> hold up, one thing I'd like to ask for clarification
[21:21:41] <Rosette_Garrand> Haru, you're fine, since you submitted your character formally
[21:21:54] <Haru_Yamato> do the folks have to enter their own info to the wiki, or can they be guided/helped to fit the wiki standard/page format etc thing?
[21:21:58] <Haru_Yamato> oh, alright
[21:22:17] <&Shinaru_Sayuno> There's templates on the Wiki, and I'm sure asking around, people will help you.
[21:22:18] <Sakuya_Izayoi> i've been (very slowly) building my own wiki pages
[21:22:35] <Sakuya_Izayoi> what i'm concerned about is will the reboot reset any character relationships?
[21:22:45] <Sakuya_Izayoi> are we "going back to square one"
[21:22:51] <&Shinaru_Sayuno> What I want to clarify is, what are we going to look at in applications?
[21:23:02] <&Shinaru_Sayuno> Are we setting standards for people to meet, or are we setting areas for people to avoid?
[21:23:16] <Haru_Yamato> um... for OCs... is the issue primarily... "believability" on who they are, how they got into Gensokyo (assuming they are Outsiders), and whether they fit in the Gensokyo world (weak or no powers)?
[21:23:23] <Nazrin> Aaaaa okay Sakuya I'll catch you up to speed in a PM.
[21:23:48] <Haru_Yamato> or those for these applications on top of what was asked for?
[21:23:51] <&Shinaru_Sayuno> There's a lot of issues with OCs.
[21:23:55] <&Shinaru_Sayuno> Or, potential issues.
[21:24:07] <Rosette_Garrand> Okay let's address this one by one
[21:24:16] <&Shinaru_Sayuno> Believability is a big one, and if you meet the standards for Touhou then you'll probably have avoided a lot of land mines.
[21:24:18] <Rosette_Garrand> Personally we'll be addressing all of the general points
[21:24:53] <Rosette_Garrand> Believability - Well, it'd be nice to have a good measure of believeability, however, we should probably give them time to work it out.
[21:25:30] <Rosette_Garrand> So as long as the character makes sense and would be able to get into Gensoukyou , then the exact details of how can be written in later. IMO anyways
[21:25:55] <&Shinaru_Sayuno> Characters will definitely be reviewed individually.
[21:26:01] <&Shinaru_Sayuno> It's not like submitting a yes or no form to a machine.
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[21:26:17] <Rosette_Garrand> As for standards, they're probably not going to be that high. They're going to be set at an average tier
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[21:26:53] <Rosette_Garrand> The character at the very least needs to have a defined personality
[21:27:35] <Rosette_Garrand> As in, something that doesn't fluctuate
[21:28:23] <Haru_Yamato> more 'static' character?
[21:28:32] <Rosette_Garrand> Well, not exactly.
[21:28:42] <Rosette_Garrand> I'm just saying this as a precaution
[21:28:50] <Haru_Yamato> alright
[21:28:59] <Rosette_Garrand> For example, if you normally act nice, and then the next day you go out on a random homicidal killing spree
[21:29:05] <Flandoll> ..Something that doesn't just jump around on free will, rather?
[21:29:17] * Rosette_Garrand points at last statement
[21:29:38] <Rosette_Garrand> This isn't really supposed to be a restriction
[21:29:48] <Rosette_Garrand> It's just so we can gauge what's "in character"
[21:30:42] <Rosette_Garrand> So yes, what Flandoll said
[21:32:57] * Rosette_Garrand awaits everyone's opinion before continuing
[21:32:57] <&Shinaru_Sayuno> Well, yes really.
[21:32:57] <Haru_Yamato> hm, what about in-character that... either affects or is affected by others?
[21:32:57] <Sakuya_Izayoi> I have an idea
[21:32:57] <Sakuya_Izayoi> for people applying for new characters and things.
[21:33:15] <Sakuya_Izayoi> ... if thats allowed...
[21:33:35] <Rosette_Garrand> Just talk
[21:33:35] * Remilia_Scarlet pets Sakuwan.
[21:33:54] <Rosette_Garrand> ... sorry if that came off aggressive
[21:34:43] <Rosette_Garrand> Anyways, the floor is yours Sakuya_Izayoi
[21:34:50] <Sakuya_Izayoi> after a person applies they are "interviewed" on the irc and they reply in character. some people are bad at just "explaining" their character and this will help show if they have a solid grip on who they're creating or applying for
[21:35:05] <Sakuya_Izayoi> nothing complicated
[21:35:10] <Haru_Yamato> strongly agree there
[21:35:37] <Haru_Yamato> though to add on that... as an idea
[21:35:43] <Remilia_Scarlet> :3
[21:35:44] <Flandoll> Would a small, one-on-one practice RP also work?
[21:35:45] <Remilia_Scarlet> Yes~
[21:35:57] <Haru_Yamato> possibly getting help from those being interviewed by to help fill in the details?
[21:35:59] <Remilia_Scarlet> That would be very helpful in getting a solid hold on someone's character.
[21:36:03] <Sakuya_Izayoi> yes
[21:36:06] * Rosette_Garrand has no problem with that, and doubts Sayuno will either
[21:36:08] <Remilia_Scarlet> Definately. :3
[21:36:15] <Rosette_Garrand> However, in that case, I'd recommend keeping logs
[21:36:15] <Haru_Yamato> well, for application purposes
[21:36:20] * &Shinaru_Sayuno has no problem.
[21:36:22] <Rosette_Garrand> And submit them WITH the application
[21:36:26] <Haru_Yamato> speaking of logs...
[21:36:31] <Remilia_Scarlet> I ponder having a website to upload RP logs.
[21:36:46] <Haru_Yamato> is someone going to log this discussion for reference purposes?
[21:36:49] <Remilia_Scarlet> So we know what's happened in RP outside of our own reckoning and remember things. :3
[21:37:06] <&Shinaru_Sayuno> We do, it's called the wiki.
[21:37:08] <Rosette_Garrand> The point of the logs is so the admins themselves can review it
[21:37:14] <Haru_Yamato> oh
[21:37:21] <Sakuya_Izayoi> it also works well to flesh out the character as well as a means of quality control. So we know the person can write reasonably well when they're not in front of MS word with all its grammar checking and stuff. a few mistakes is understandable but it must be legible.
[21:37:30] * Remilia_Scarlet nod nods~
[21:37:36] * Haru_Yamato agrees
[21:37:53] <Rosette_Garrand> Do you wish to say anything else Sakuya_Izayoi ?
[21:37:58] <Gennai_Aibu> I too share that sentiment...
[21:38:06] <Sakuya_Izayoi> i have an idea for RP logs
[21:38:15] <Rosette_Garrand> Please, do tell us
[21:38:28] * Remilia_Scarlet nod nod, interested. :3
[21:39:07] <Sakuya_Izayoi> its clunky until we get a better means but... have a shared pastebin account. Logs are titled and set to not expire and listed as private. They are all put there and individually linked on the various profile pages. At least until we get a more formal logging method.
[21:39:12] <Sakuya_Izayoi> its a quick fix
[21:39:22] <Sakuya_Izayoi> thats all we need for the moment
[21:39:42] <Rosette_Garrand> Can't we just post it directly into the post as a "Spoiler"?
[21:40:03] <Rosette_Garrand> That way we can access the wall of text at will
[21:40:17] <Rosette_Garrand> It also cuts down on having to refer to other websites
[21:40:21] <Sakuya_Izayoi> we could but that would make logging a pain after awhile. because wiki.
[21:40:31] <Remilia_Scarlet> Indeed...
[21:40:33] <&Shinaru_Sayuno> The wiki in no way is hard to use.
[21:40:41] <Rosette_Garrand> Uhm
[21:40:48] <Rosette_Garrand> I believed this is purely for Character applications
[21:40:58] <Sakuya_Izayoi> ^
[21:40:58] <Rosette_Garrand> And not for ongoing character development
[21:41:37] <Sakuya_Izayoi> Livejournal is also an option. but lets talk about all this later
[21:41:42] <Sakuya_Izayoi> back to characters
[21:42:03] <Remilia_Scarlet> I've got a few issues once we have all this character stuff out of the way. :3
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[21:42:49] <Rosette_Garrand> Okay then
[21:42:53] <Rosette_Garrand> SO what have we discussed so far
[21:43:01] <Rosette_Garrand> Believability and Standards correct?
[21:43:22] <Rosette_Garrand> Now lets go onto the point where most characters get rejected or not.
[21:43:25] <Rosette_Garrand> Powers
[21:43:41] <Haru_Yamato> how about this general rule of thumb
[21:44:08] <Haru_Yamato> "must not be stronger than canon" but also "not the same as canon"
[21:44:16] <Rosette_Garrand> No
[21:44:18] <&Shinaru_Sayuno> That's a bad rule of thumb.
[21:44:22] <&Shinaru_Sayuno> It severely limits creativity.
[21:44:28] * Rosette_Garrand pokes Shinaru_Sayuno
[21:44:35] <Rosette_Garrand> The most OP goddess in history
[21:44:41] <&Shinaru_Sayuno> You'd be surprised.
[21:44:55] <&Shinaru_Sayuno> On other RP websites, they took that philosophy and threw it out the window.
[21:45:10] * Rosette_Garrand pokes his own creation - Line Mythali - A youaki who works with lines.
[21:45:19] <Rosette_Garrand> Line is an OP Sunnova bitch
[21:45:27] <&Shinaru_Sayuno> You couldn't make an OC stronger than your average Wriggle Nightbug.
[21:45:38] <&Shinaru_Sayuno> Meanwhile, the admins rolled around in the strongest characters available.
[21:45:39] <&Shinaru_Sayuno> So.
[21:45:41] <&Shinaru_Sayuno> No.
[21:45:53] <&Shinaru_Sayuno> Power levels are potentially available to everyone.
[21:46:06] <Haiiro> If anyone makes a character more broken than Yukari
[21:46:21] * Rosette_Garrand kicks Shinaru_Sayuno again as an objection to Haiiro
[21:46:37] <&Shinaru_Sayuno> Hm? Sayu is probably not as strong as Yukari.
[21:46:41] <Haiiro> Well, that's where a line should be drawn, at the end of the rainbow
[21:46:46] <Rosette_Garrand> No
[21:46:52] <&Shinaru_Sayuno> Yukari creates points of manipulation, Sayu can only change what is already there.
[21:46:59] <Rosette_Garrand> The admins need to have access to the strongest characters
[21:47:03] <Rosette_Garrand> As a means of control
[21:47:11] <Rosette_Garrand> Hopefully none of them need to use them
[21:47:22] <Haiiro> I'm not comparing the two, I'm saying 'if someone makes a character stronger than Yukari, something is probably wrong'
[21:47:27] <&Shinaru_Sayuno> Which doesn't mean they're unavailable to everyone else.
[21:47:36] <&Shinaru_Sayuno> Heck, Flandoll was just a member when she took up Yukari.
[21:47:52] <&Shinaru_Sayuno> But do know that if I see someone treating a powerful character incorrectly or questionably, then I will step in.
[21:47:53] <Rosette_Garrand> however, just in case, the admins need the strongest characters to get rid of OCs which can't be legitimately removed.
[21:48:14] <Haiiro> An admin can get rid of an OC with like, no problem
[21:48:17] <Haiiro> Meta death ray
[21:48:21] <&Shinaru_Sayuno> Mmhm.
[21:48:21] <Rosette_Garrand> No
[21:48:24] <Haiiro> heart attack, animator dies
[21:48:26] <Haru_Yamato> that squishes the 'fairness' issue I was thinking of
[21:48:42] <&Shinaru_Sayuno> I'd rather just say "no" OOC than break character in RP.
[21:49:06] <Rosette_Garrand> In any case.
[21:49:21] <Rosette_Garrand> There are two ways we can do this
[21:49:39] <Rosette_Garrand> 1 - Limit players to weak characters and give them access to stronger characters as trust is gained
[21:49:41] <Rosette_Garrand> OR
[21:49:54] <Rosette_Garrand> 2 - Give access to strong characters, and remove privilleges on abuse
[21:50:02] <&Shinaru_Sayuno> I want to go for 2.
[21:50:04] <Haru_Yamato> first one seems very likely to me
[21:50:06] <Sakuya_Izayoi> No OC can have exactly the same powers as another however similar powers should be allowed. And I would go with 2.
[21:50:10] <&Shinaru_Sayuno> I like to imagine I can trust people.
[21:50:22] <Sakuya_Izayoi> The reason being is its not fair to limit creativity. You'll kill your own community that way
[21:50:25] <Sakuya_Izayoi> trust me on that one
[21:50:31] <&Shinaru_Sayuno> Yup.
[21:50:39] <Haru_Yamato> ok
[21:50:41] * Rosette_Garrand is just presenting the options. Rosette_Garrand also agrees with 2
[21:50:46] <Haiiro> 2 is pretty good, yeah
[21:50:49] <Flandoll> Does everyone know what defines weak and strong though?
[21:50:54] <Sakuya_Izayoi> brb I require cake
[21:50:57] <&Shinaru_Sayuno> Good question Flandoll.
[21:51:06] <&Shinaru_Sayuno> There's a subtle difference between power and power level.
[21:51:08] <Remilia_Scarlet> We should not stifle creativity for balance. But we must need a clear sense of balance to determine 'strength'.
[21:51:09] * Rosette_Garrand has a good idea, since she's an abilities specialist
[21:51:11] <Sakuya_Izayoi> and strength is how the power is used
[21:51:17] <&Shinaru_Sayuno> Then we put skill in to the equation.
[21:51:26] <Rosette_Garrand> I have confidence in my gauging of power
[21:51:26] <Haru_Yamato> would 'strong/weak' be based on canon powers relatively speaking?
[21:51:27] <Sakuya_Izayoi> not nessisarily what the power is
[21:51:32] <Rosette_Garrand> No
[21:51:36] <Haru_Yamato> or maybe... how far a power is developed?
[21:51:39] <Haru_Yamato> maybe not
[21:51:45] <Rosette_Garrand> No
[21:51:46] <Remilia_Scarlet> For example: Remi can manipulate fate. But what she does with it doesn't really do much, overall.
[21:52:05] <Rosette_Garrand> Strong or weak is not necessarily linked to the character's power
[21:52:07] <Remilia_Scarlet> However, Remi is strong in magical and other abilities. :3
[21:52:12] <Rosette_Garrand> e.g. Momiji
[21:52:31] <Rosette_Garrand> I see momiji as a strong melee combatant, but her ability is pretty much worthless in combat
[21:53:07] <&Shinaru_Sayuno> Mhm, that's the idea of skill.
[21:53:16] <Rosette_Garrand> and in the case of an OC
[21:53:19] <&Shinaru_Sayuno> Reimu would be highly skilled, but have a pretty low power level.
[21:53:39] <Remilia_Scarlet> Mhm. :3
[21:53:56] <Rosette_Garrand> Now let's look at the opposite side, Max Power but no skill
[21:54:00] <Remilia_Scarlet> Power level isn't totally dependant on power or skill, but both together. :3
[21:54:03] * Rosette_Garrand thinks of Tenshi for some reason
[21:54:09] <Rinnosuke_Morichika> So Tengu foot soldiers are more melee?
[21:54:22] <Haiiro> LunaticAI.avi
[21:55:05] <&Shinaru_Sayuno> High power but lack of skill... I guess those characters would be the types who just shoot lots of bullets.
[21:55:13] <Haru_Yamato> why am I thinking that if a power is strong but unreliable would be ok, but a reliable yet weak power is also ok?
[21:55:19] <Haru_Yamato> correct me if I'm following that wrong
[21:55:35] <Rosette_Garrand> no
[21:55:44] <Rosette_Garrand> there's a small problem
[21:55:44] <&Shinaru_Sayuno> A power has to make sense, per say.
[21:55:51] <Sakuya_Izayoi> here. take sakuya for an example. She is capable of stopping time and essentially murdering all of gensokyo if she so chose. but she doesn't because her personality wouldn't allow for that. instead of looking at power we need to look at the potential for abuse
[21:56:01] <Haru_Yamato> ACK!
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[21:56:04] <Rosette_Garrand> it relates to "Future Growth"
[21:56:14] <Haru_Yamato> third thing to note regarding power
[21:56:24] <Haru_Yamato> thanks for bringing that to my attention
[21:56:37] <Rosette_Garrand> Okay let's say you're a vengeful spirt
[21:56:39] <Rosette_Garrand> but you're weak
[21:56:43] <Rosette_Garrand> however in the future, you'll gain more power
[21:56:48] <Rosette_Garrand> and then you could murder everyone
[21:57:02] <Rosette_Garrand> In a case like like, looking at projected growth is important
[21:57:06] <Sakuya_Izayoi> indeed
[21:57:17] <Sakuya_Izayoi> however we must also factor in character development
[21:57:24] <Rosette_Garrand> ^
[21:57:28] <Haru_Yamato> ^
[21:57:41] <Rosette_Garrand> The process is complex, but most of the problems arise with ability abuse
[21:57:48] * Haiiro 's gonna learn spells over time~
[21:57:52] <Rosette_Garrand> We are in no way going to limit your powers
[21:58:00] <Sakuya_Izayoi> Sakuya is a homicidal maniac but is less so now due to events (that I really should write out in my wiki page sometime soon)
[21:58:27] <Sakuya_Izayoi> i like my characters dark
[21:58:29] <Sakuya_Izayoi> :P
[21:58:40] <Rosette_Garrand> Everything is fair game, however, I think Sayuno agrees with me that we prefer original ideas instead over highly over used ones
[21:58:51] <&Shinaru_Sayuno> Mhmmm
[21:58:58] <Rosette_Garrand> Like we don't want an expy of Thor in here
[21:59:04] <Rosette_Garrand> or an expy of Batman
[21:59:05] <Sakuya_Izayoi> indeed
[21:59:07] <Haru_Yamato> I think I'll work 'irony' more into future characters
[21:59:20] <Sakuya_Izayoi> It's the goddamn BatFlan
[21:59:26] * Sakuya_Izayoi knifed
[21:59:28] <Rosette_Garrand> if your character is already within a set species
[21:59:44] <Rosette_Garrand> Look at how the character would normally work, and try to find something relevant
[22:01:20] <Rosette_Garrand> ....
[22:01:20] <Rosette_Garrand> actually retract that statement
[22:01:20] <&Shinaru_Sayuno> Well Thor might be okay, considering he's a religious figure, and we know that ZUN likes to reference religion...
[22:01:20] * Rosette_Garrand would love to see a devil toting holy texts
[22:01:20] <Sakuya_Izayoi> why don't we set down broad guidelines and handle things on a play by play basis?
[22:01:20] <Sakuya_Izayoi> there will ALWAYS be exceptions to the rule
[22:01:20] <Remilia_Scarlet> :3
[22:01:20] <Remilia_Scarlet> Well we'd have to be somewhat careful...
[22:01:20] * Rosette_Garrand would love to see a Devil Youkai in a Priest Class
[22:01:20] * Rosette_Garrand would make said devil go to hell and preach the word of God
[22:01:20] <Flandoll> ...-
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[22:04:27] * Set by Kotohime on Sat Apr 20 16:09:01
[22:04:41] * Haiiro ([email protected]) Quit (Connection reset by peer)
[22:05:24] * Shuku is now known as Haiiro
[22:05:37] <&Shinaru_Sayuno> Basically, if Naruto Sasuke Blackdeath the demon of darkness with the power to kill anyone with his sword of angst who has a 2-bit personality will not be accepted.
[22:05:56] <&Shinaru_Sayuno> Or.
[22:05:56] <&Shinaru_Sayuno> http://wiki.gensoukyoueasternstory.net/Jane_Hakurei
[22:05:59] <&Shinaru_Sayuno> Jane Hakurei.
[22:06:03] <Rosette_Garrand> .......
[22:06:06] <Flandoll> ....
[22:06:08] <Rosette_Garrand> You @#$^ing serious?
[22:06:10] <Haru_Yamato> lol
[22:06:19] <Nazrin> Jane is the best
[22:06:19] <Haru_Yamato> sorry, couldn't help but laugh
[22:06:25] <Gennai_Aibu> O_O  who's Jane?
[22:06:25] <Flandoll> This is brilliant..!
[22:06:40] <Haru_Yamato> but I know what you mean
[22:06:47] * Nazrin is now known as SogaNoTojiko
[22:06:48] <Sakuya_Izayoi> Oh my god
[22:06:48] * Haiiro claps
[22:06:48] <Haru_Yamato> a character like that, even I wouldn't accept
[22:06:50] <Sakuya_Izayoi> Sayuno
[22:06:54] <Sakuya_Izayoi> that is BEAUTIFUL
[22:06:59] * Sakuya_Izayoi slowclaps
[22:07:01] <Haru_Yamato> because of how silly and far-fetched it looks
[22:07:01] <&Shinaru_Sayuno> No that's Jane.
[22:07:17] <&Shinaru_Sayuno> Everything here is bad.
[22:07:24] <Rosette_Garrand> Okay I love that character
[22:07:24] <Haiiro> But I'd like to call her Super Mario
[22:07:25] <&Shinaru_Sayuno> If your character looks like this, they are bad.
[22:07:25] <Rosette_Garrand> I accept it
[22:07:26] <Haiiro> if that's OK
[22:07:34] <Rosette_Garrand> I ACCEPT JANE BECAUSE SERIOUSLY
[22:07:38] <Gennai_Aibu> oh...thst'a Jane.
[22:07:41] <Haru_Yamato> trust me; that's a big mistake even on fanfiction site
[22:07:41] * Rosette_Garrand appaluads Sayuno's brilliance
[22:07:48] <Haru_Yamato> but that's a small mention
[22:08:08] * Rosette_Garrand stops laughing
[22:08:11] <Sakuya_Izayoi> now we need a marisa/mario bad OC example named Super Hakkero or something
[22:08:14] * Rosette_Garrand is now known as Godot
[22:08:20] <Godot> Anyways
[22:08:20] <&Shinaru_Sayuno> Ahem.
[22:08:24] * Godot sips some coffee
[22:08:28] <Godot> Let's continue
[22:08:40] <&Shinaru_Sayuno> I think we should just recap everything at this point.
[22:08:51] <&Shinaru_Sayuno> Reboot is a kind of, OC applications are a yes.
[22:08:51] <Godot> FIrst of all
[22:08:52] <&Shinaru_Sayuno> Yes?
[22:08:58] <SogaNoTojiko> Please, I am the mosr confused
[22:09:02] * Godot lets Sayuno talk
[22:09:02] <SogaNoTojiko> Yes!
[22:09:49] <&Shinaru_Sayuno> Canons characters?
[22:09:55] <&Shinaru_Sayuno> Do they need applications?
[22:09:59] <Sakuya_Izayoi> yes
[22:10:07] <Sakuya_Izayoi> we want the canon characters well represented
[22:10:15] <&Shinaru_Sayuno> How severe are the applications in comparison to OC characters?
[22:10:18] <SogaNoTojiko> Aaaaaaa you are all difficult--
[22:10:19] <Sakuya_Izayoi> Everyone here currently seems to be doing a fine job.
[22:10:27] <Remilia_Scarlet> :D
[22:10:43] <Godot> Okay
[22:10:43] <Godot> Wait
[22:10:45] <Sakuya_Izayoi> I'd say the Canon characters need to be more and less rigid.
[22:10:45] <Remilia_Scarlet> Yep. But we need to be a little more careful with new canon apps. :3
[22:10:50] <Godot> The CC applications won't be severe
[22:10:52] <Sakuya_Izayoi> Make sure the person researched the character
[22:10:52] <Godot> However
[22:10:54] <Haru_Yamato> is the question "would it be easier to apply canon characters than it would be OC characters", this the question I'm reading here?
[22:10:56] <Remilia_Scarlet> Since we need to know if people can handle them.
[22:10:57] <Godot> If they don't follow canon
[22:11:05] <Godot> We're slapping them with big hammers and marshmellows
[22:11:09] <Sakuya_Izayoi> hold on
[22:11:11] <Sakuya_Izayoi> gaiz
[22:11:31] <Haru_Yamato> ah, thanks for clarifying that as I was thinking it, Godot
[22:12:10] <Sakuya_Izayoi> Applying for a canon character should be both easier and harder. They need to come up with things that fall within the parameters of the character but we can't limit their creativity. I think the biggest difference should be the interview process
[22:12:49] <Sakuya_Izayoi> with an OC they're not gonna know EXACTLY what they want during the interview and there is a lot of room for character development. With a canon character we have to be more rigid there to make sure they really know what they're talking about
[22:13:14] * SogaNoTojiko is now known as Dormouse
[22:14:28] <&Shinaru_Sayuno> Now, in order for that to work, we're going to have to entice people to actually want to go through that effort.
[22:14:40] <Sakuya_Izayoi> i will gladly conduct interviews
[22:14:53] * Godot will help out whenever she's online
[22:14:53] <&Shinaru_Sayuno> I mean, if someone looks at a community and sees it's alright, but the application process is lengthy and probably a waste of time, no-one's going to join, right?
[22:14:54] <Remilia_Scarlet> I'll help where, I can, too! :D
[22:15:00] <&Shinaru_Sayuno> GODOT IS A MAN
[22:15:03] <&Shinaru_Sayuno> GGGGHGHG
[22:15:04] <Godot> .....
[22:15:06] <Godot> Sorry
[22:15:23] <&Shinaru_Sayuno> Well, if you're offering then that's good.
[22:15:37] * Godot wants to help G:ES become the best place ever
[22:15:42] <Sakuya_Izayoi> its a short interview
[22:15:45] * Dormouse is now known as SogaNoTojiko
[22:15:50] <Godot> I prefer interviews
[22:15:52] <Sakuya_Izayoi> not hours. maybe 10-15 min
[22:16:00] <Godot> because they're more open to appeal
[22:16:01] <&Shinaru_Sayuno> How about this then, you all make the application process and I'll take a look at it and tell you if it's good or not.
[22:16:14] <Haru_Yamato> sounds good
[22:16:17] <Sakuya_Izayoi> theres a reason we need the application process too
[22:16:35] <&Shinaru_Sayuno> It stops Jane from becoming a reality, I guess :u
[22:16:45] <Remilia_Scarlet> :3
[22:17:03] <Rinnosuke_Morichika> Will I need to app?
[22:17:10] <&Shinaru_Sayuno> No.
[22:17:15] <Remilia_Scarlet> The application process won't need to be long, but it'll need to be effective enough to weed out troll rpers and bad characters
[22:17:15] <Rinnosuke_Morichika> Okay.
[22:17:17] <Sakuya_Izayoi> it makes a person do a bit of research in order to make their character. by submitting something that set in stone they have a chance to sit down and really figure out what they want to do with it. This is especially true with canon characters.
[22:17:26] <Remilia_Scarlet> Exactly!
[22:17:38] <&Shinaru_Sayuno> All current members will not need to reapply for their current canons or OCs. However that does not mean you wont be put under review if your RPing becomes questionable.
[22:17:47] <Godot> :/
[22:17:50] * Sakuya_Izayoi hugs Sayuno
[22:17:50] <Zuren> Understood.
[22:17:54] * Godot objects to the OC portion
[22:18:07] * Rinnosuke_Morichika is now known as Masaaki_Kagura
[22:18:13] <&Shinaru_Sayuno> Would you care to explain why?
[22:18:17] <Masaaki_Kagura> Don't suffocate< Sakuya.
[22:18:22] <SogaNoTojiko> Godot, just bring your OC situation up to Sayuno. From yesterday--
[22:18:24] <Haru_Yamato> understood
[22:18:34] <Godot> Same reason as I said earlier
[22:18:44] * SogaNoTojiko is now known as Dormouse
[22:19:32] * Godot tries to find the quote... to his dismay his chat has already cut off.
[22:20:04] <Godot> Basically speaking, I feel that all OCs need to be reassessed in the scope of G:ES
[22:20:37] <Godot> mainly because of some troubles I've seen from RPs in terms of power balancing
[22:20:49] <Remilia_Scarlet> I'd have to agree with Godot, here.
[22:20:59] <Remilia_Scarlet> OCs need rebalancing.
[22:21:28] <Godot> We need to rebalance OCs in the scope of the rebooted G;ES
[22:21:41] <Haru_Yamato> balancing... tough thing to determine
[22:21:45] <Godot> Not really
[22:21:54] * Godot balances characters on a daily basis
[22:21:57] <Haru_Yamato> I thought it's usually argued over on how it's balanced
[22:22:17] <Godot> Balancing characters is easy, it's just a matter of how you go about it
[22:22:24] * Remilia_Scarlet nods~
[22:22:28] <Godot> I managed to weaken one of the most OP HAX teir characters
[22:22:34] <Godot> into a blue tier character
[22:22:37] <Haru_Yamato> hm...
[22:22:40] <Godot> Case in point
[22:22:42] <Godot> Lucilla
[22:22:54] <Haru_Yamato> it's not the ability in point, but /how/ they go about their power for balancing?
[22:23:02] <Godot> No non o
[22:23:05] <Godot> I'll elaborate
[22:23:20] <Godot> Lucilla is a being that feeds off Human Sin, and as such is insanely powerful in the outside world
[22:23:44] <Godot> So to balance her, all I needed to do was change it so that she's reliant on quantity for power
[22:24:00] <Godot> anyways
[22:24:30] <&Shinaru_Sayuno> Could have sworn I made Sayu like that at some point...
[22:24:46] <Godot> @Shinaru_Sayuno : I will formally submit my stance that all old OCs be reviewed and be rebalanced in consideration for the rebooted G:ES
[22:24:48] <SilentQ> Godot: Error: "Shinaru_Sayuno" is not a valid command.
[22:25:01] <Godot> If we're going through so much effort to reboot it, why not do the full package.
[22:26:07] <Haiiro> Because I don't want carrots in my salad
[22:26:27] <Godot> ....
[22:26:40] <Godot> WhAt HaIiRo?
[22:27:09] <Haiiro> Just going a full and total reboot includes things people don't want
[22:27:16] <Haiiro> (I am not fond of carrots)
[22:27:35] <Haiiro> (I am the best at anologies)
[22:27:41] <Dormouse> ( ...Me neither. )
[22:27:48] <Godot> We already established that we're not resetting history and relationships
[22:28:07] <Haiiro> Well, be clearer with the full package thing then
[22:28:19] <Haiiro> I assume a full package when I hear that <_>
[22:28:19] <Godot> I'm sorry, and I will edit my testimony to reflect that
[22:28:36] <Godot> Why not fix all of the problems at the same time?
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[22:32:52] * Topic is 'This is a channel where things regarding the community and other such matters are discussed.'
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[22:33:16] <Remilia_Scarlet> I believe that we should focus more on OCs than canons, though. :3
[22:34:08] <Zuren> I don't know the time zones everyone has, but isn't it late for most people? Shouldn't we discuss this when more people have more energy?
[22:34:32] <Godot> :/
[22:34:39] <Godot> 1:30 PM here
[22:34:47] <Haru_Yamato> 11:35 PM here
[22:34:50] <&Shinaru_Sayuno> 4:30AM.
[22:34:50] <Flandoll> ^
[22:34:51] <Remilia_Scarlet> 11:30 here! o/
[22:34:52] <Flandoll> ...
[22:34:55] <Dormouse>  /ctcp time
[22:34:55] <Remilia_Scarlet> The night is young!
[22:35:01] <Masaaki_Kagura> 8:35 PM
[22:35:04] * Remilia_Scarlet at least, over here.
[22:35:06] * &Shinaru_Sayuno also looks at Godot.
[22:35:10] <Godot> ?
[22:35:23] * Godot is now known as Rosette_Garrand
[22:35:27] <&Shinaru_Sayuno> Sayu's chest size is done for a reason!
[22:35:41] * Rosette_Garrand face faults
[22:35:46] <Zuren> ...*chuckles*
[22:35:47] <&Shinaru_Sayuno> Or, was made that big... I mean.
[22:36:03] * Flandoll gives Zuren a boot to the head
[22:36:05] <Rosette_Garrand> Anyways
[22:36:08] * &Shinaru_Sayuno ([email protected]) Quit (Quit: Leaving)
[22:36:12] <Rosette_Garrand> ......
[22:36:13] <Rosette_Garrand> Damnit
[22:36:18] * Rosette_Garrand takes over the channel
[22:36:27] <Rosette_Garrand> Anyways any questions~?
[22:36:40] <Flandoll> Just one..!
[22:36:47] <Rosette_Garrand> Yes?
[22:37:13] <Flandoll> Just to add a bit of a checkpoint.. what has been concluded so far?
[22:37:19] <Remilia_Scarlet> Yes. :3
[22:38:06] <Rosette_Garrand> okay
[22:38:28] <Rosette_Garrand> 1 - History will not be eaten by Keine
[22:39:43] <Rosette_Garrand> 2 - New application process is to be created and submitted to Sayuno-nee for review
[22:40:49] <Rosette_Garrand> The new process will take into consideration everything discussed here
[22:41:02] <Rosette_Garrand> 3 - the OC Re-Review process has yet to be concludeed
[22:41:03] <Gennai_Aibu> 9:41 pm
[22:41:16] <Rosette_Garrand> I think that was all the main points
[22:41:20] <Rosette_Garrand> Any more questions?
[22:42:08] * Rosette_Garrand waits
[22:42:46] <Haiiro> I'd totally do an interview process with Haiiro
[22:42:53] <Haiiro> No questions here
[22:43:06] <Rosette_Garrand> Well to be honest
[22:43:10] <Rosette_Garrand> I want two interview processes
[22:43:17] <Rosette_Garrand> One is the personality one
[22:43:26] <Rosette_Garrand> The other is basically a set of "What If" Questions
[22:43:34] <Rosette_Garrand> What if you found yourself in a dark pit, what would you do?
[22:43:37] <Remilia_Scarlet> Mhm. :3
[22:43:42] <Rosette_Garrand> And we'd see how the character responds to that situation
[22:43:48] <Rosette_Garrand> That way we can gauge the power as well
[22:44:00] <Rosette_Garrand> For example
[22:44:12] <Rosette_Garrand> Haiiro, what if you found yourself faced with a very hungry Lion Youkai?
[22:44:18] <Rosette_Garrand> What would you do?
[22:44:23] <Zuren> Hm, interesting.
[22:44:46] <Rosette_Garrand> It would gather information much more efficiently than an RP
[22:44:53] <Rosette_Garrand> In terms of powers and abilities
[22:44:54] * Flandoll is now known as SleepyFlan
[22:45:34] <Zuren> ...Could the Lion Youkai fly?
[22:45:39] <Haiiro> Those sound a lot like things that could be fit into one interview
[22:45:54] <Rosette_Garrand> Best not to stress the person out
[22:46:03] <Rosette_Garrand> Give them a personality interview at one stage
[22:46:06] <Haiiro> But that does sound like a good idea!
[22:46:09] <Rosette_Garrand> and then accept that portion
[22:46:16] <Rosette_Garrand> And then do the Powers interview
[22:46:16] <Haiiro> Just gotta keep it from seeming really, really long
[22:46:19] <Rosette_Garrand> and then accept that
[22:46:36] <Rosette_Garrand> What if questions are quite short
[22:46:50] <Rosette_Garrand> And if the person already has a good idea of the character, it'd be easy
[22:46:56] <Remilia_Scarlet> Yes~
[22:47:02] <Rosette_Garrand> For example if Rosette was faced with a Lion Youkai.....
[22:47:04] <Remilia_Scarlet> A place I go to has the same sort of rules, actually.
[22:47:11] <Rosette_Garrand> She'd probably run the hell away
[22:47:21] <Rosette_Garrand> on Rowan
[22:47:50] <Rosette_Garrand> ......
[22:47:59] <Sakuya_Izayoi> i dozed off for a sec
[22:48:00] <Remilia_Scarlet> Remi vs Lion.
[22:48:03] * Rosette_Garrand considers applying for a power interviewer
[22:48:07] <Remilia_Scarlet> >Show fangs.
[22:48:12] <Remilia_Scarlet> >Lion runs.
[22:48:13] * Rosette_Garrand considers applying as power interviewer
[22:48:14] <Remilia_Scarlet> :D
[22:48:23] * Remilia_Scarlet wants to apply as a canon interviewer. :D
[22:48:29] <Remilia_Scarlet> I'm gooood with canon~
[22:48:33] <Zuren> Choices: 1. Fly( if Lion can't simply fly after me), 2. Create images, send some toward Lion for distraction, then hide myself among the ones that are flying away.
[22:48:46] <Sakuya_Izayoi> we want multiple interviewers
[22:48:49] <Sakuya_Izayoi> in case someone isn't on
[22:48:50] <Rosette_Garrand> we should totally annoy the heck out of Sayu-nee till she gives us the jobs
[22:48:56] <Sakuya_Izayoi> we should have a general set of questions to ask
[22:48:59] <Remilia_Scarlet> :3
[22:49:05] <Haru_Yamato> what Sakuya said
[22:49:06] <Sakuya_Izayoi> and go from there
[22:49:15] <Haru_Yamato> but what those general questions are... prolly need to discuss another time
[22:49:30] <Rosette_Garrand> Yes in most cases
[22:49:34] <Sakuya_Izayoi> as interviewers we should also make recommendations on how to improve things.
[22:49:48] * Rosette_Garrand knows that
[22:49:54] <Rosette_Garrand> Soo
[22:50:01] <Rosette_Garrand> Do we want to stat srs business?
[22:50:05] <Rosette_Garrand> Do we want to stay srs business?
[22:50:09] <Rosette_Garrand> and discuss the questions now?
[22:50:22] <Rosette_Garrand> Or do you all want to relax, have fun, and come back later?
[22:50:31] <Haru_Yamato> I'll opt to come back to this later
[22:50:44] <Zuren> I vote for the latter one. Late where i'm at, which will make it harder for me to think clearly.
[22:50:53] <Haru_Yamato> provided there's a few questions to start with and bring in perspectives and other questions
[22:51:20] * Rosette_Garrand waits for the other 8 people
[22:52:52] <Zuren> And....small question. I would probably ask specifications like on a dark pit, whether there was an exit, whether there was some way to alert others, etc. I know they haven't been decided yet, but that won't be a problem, right?
[22:53:18] <Rosette_Garrand> Most likely not, however, I highly doubt they'd elaborate on anything besides DEEP and DARK
[22:54:04] <Rosette_Garrand> You will find yourself in a pit that is exactly 3 meters in diameter and 50 meters deep into the ground.
[22:54:49] <Rosette_Garrand> There is a flare on the ground.
[22:55:18] <Zuren> ...Okay to answer that now?
[22:55:22] <Rosette_Garrand> Yes
[22:56:21] <Zuren> Grab the flare, fly straight until you come across a wall, then fly straight up, making sure you're always nearby the wall so you can go up straight.
[22:57:07] * Rosette_Garrand would note that assumes your character has flight~ Not that she's complaining about the answer
[22:57:23] <Rosette_Garrand> Not all characters can fly, so they'd have to resort to different means.
[22:57:39] <Zuren> Okay, I see.
[22:57:40] <Rosette_Garrand> Also would your character even know what a flare is?
[22:58:43] <Rosette_Garrand> Obviously these questions are going to be extreme, however it's just going to test how you respond, what abilities they have, what abilities the person MIGHT NOT HAVE WRITTEN
[22:58:53] <Gennai_Aibu> Yes, we ain't THAT primitive, like Stone Age Primitives...
[22:59:18] <Zuren> No. I'm assuming the flare has already been lit. In that case, from what he can tell, it produces light and allows him to see a small distance, which is enough for him.
[22:59:39] * Rosette_Garrand notes something that she should fix already
[22:59:42] <Rosette_Garrand> Thank you Zuren~
[22:59:54] <Zuren> No problem.
[23:00:27] <Rosette_Garrand> You will find yourself in a pit that is exactly 3 meters in diameter and 50 meters deep into the ground. There is an Unlit Flare on the ground. However, the pit is vertical, and you can see the sky. The sun is above the pit, allowing you to see your surroundings
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[23:02:55] <Zuren> So the entire pit is lit up, right?
[23:03:19] * Rosette_Garrand nods
[23:03:38] <Sakuya_Izayoi> most of the questions will not be questions like that but questions to actually make them think while in character. things that will help them improve their apps
[23:03:42] <Sakuya_Izayoi> or backgrounds
[23:03:55] <Rosette_Garrand> ^
[23:03:57] <Remilia_Scarlet> Mhm~
[23:04:02] <Remilia_Scarlet> Yes yes, agreed!
[23:04:12] <Remilia_Scarlet> General questions are too...general. :I
[23:04:13] <Zuren> In that case, the flare is meaningless, as far as its intended purpose. Flying out would be what my character would do. Kinda wish I could give a more complex answer though.
[23:04:24] <Rosette_Garrand> Yes but that's what we would want to know
[23:04:29] <Rosette_Garrand> Like I said not all characters can fly
[23:04:49] * Rosette_Garrand should note that Zuren should probably ignore how the hell the character fell down there in the first place
[23:05:18] <Rosette_Garrand> .....
[23:05:22] <Rosette_Garrand> Also yeah I made another mistake
[23:05:27] * Rosette_Garrand edits FLARE with FLARE GUN
[23:05:35] <Zuren> I considered that, but dismissed it, since that would defeat the purpose of the test.
[23:05:36] * Rosette_Garrand is happy now
[23:06:02] <Rosette_Garrand> RIGHT
[23:06:14] <Rosette_Garrand> You will find yourself in a pit that is exactly 3 meters in diameter and 50 meters deep into the ground. There is a loaded Flaregun on the ground. However, the pit is vertical, and you can see the sky. The sun is above the pit, allowing you to see your surroundings. The sides of the pit are made from damp earth, slightly solid.
[23:06:19] <Rosette_Garrand> FLARE GUNS~~~~
[23:06:30] * Rosette_Garrand shoots Remilia_Scarlet with a flaregun~
[23:06:38] * Remilia_Scarlet gracefully dodges.
[23:07:59] <Zuren> Awww. My character wouldn't know what that even was and would probably ignore it.
[23:08:24] <Zuren> Well, that or take it to Rinnosuke.
[23:08:53] <Rosette_Garrand> So you would say. Let Rinnosuke Fall into the pit, tell you about what a Flare Gun is, and then use it~ ;)
[23:09:55] <Zuren> Heh, yea....right after giving the real answer, so as not to annoy them.
[23:12:02] * Rosette_Garrand gives Zuren Bonus marks for humor
[23:12:53] <Zuren> I happily accept those~
[23:13:27] <Rosette_Garrand> Anyways
[23:13:32] * Rosette_Garrand goes back to RP
[23:13:40] <Rosette_Garrand> Any questions will be answered so just ask away~
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[23:14:51] <Zuren> So nothing changes as far as what has already happened within the RP continuity, right?
[23:15:04] <Haiiro> History shall not be eaten~
[23:15:16] <Rosette_Garrand> Nope
[23:15:23] <Rosette_Garrand> Keine will not be eating your head off tonight
[23:15:27] * Rosette_Garrand is now known as Keine
[23:15:34] * Keine eats Masaaki_Kagura
[23:15:41] <Keine> .....
[23:15:42] <Keine> wait
[23:15:43] <Zuren> *Whew* Thanks.
[23:15:46] * Keine is now known as EX-Keine
[23:15:53] * EX-Keine has horns
[23:15:54] <Masaaki_Kagura> Umm...
[23:16:00] * EX-Keine is hor- *Is shot*
[23:16:01] * Remilia_Scarlet manipulates EX-Keine.
[23:16:06] <Remilia_Scarlet> :D
[23:16:11] <Remilia_Scarlet> Just. As. Planned~.
[23:16:13] <Remilia_Scarlet> Uu~
[23:16:15] <Masaaki_Kagura> Keine just stole the joke for me.
[23:16:28] <Haiiro> Hurry up and be ready, Masaaki/Rinnosuke :3c
[23:16:32] * EX-Keine caves Masaaki_Kagura
[23:17:11] * EX-Keine eats the history of Jane Hakurei
[23:17:11] <Zuren> I'm now curious if Remilia somehow manipulated a human going to her mansion, making her mad, then earning her forgiveness...
[23:17:13] <Masaaki_Kagura> So...just really quick, since we have a Keine, why is there so much emphasis on them and Rinnosuke being an item?
[23:17:21] <EX-Keine> ........
[23:17:25] <EX-Keine> Half HUman
[23:17:27] <EX-Keine> That's all
[23:17:40] <EX-Keine> Now if you don't mind~
[23:17:48] * EX-Keine noms on Konngara application
[23:17:52] <Haru_Yamato> nah, leave Jane Hakurei page alone; I'm gonna laugh at it
[23:17:57] <Haru_Yamato> for eternity
[23:18:08] <Masaaki_Kagura> Meh, decided to not take Konngara.
[23:18:08] <Haru_Yamato> and link to it so everyone knows what NOT to do
[23:18:27] * EX-Keine has sucessfully eaten the Konngara Application!
[23:19:27] * Sakuya_Izayoi drags Remilia away
[23:19:49] * Remilia_Scarlet counters! Drags /Sakuya/ away.
[23:19:54] <Remilia_Scarlet> Mine.
[23:19:55] <Remilia_Scarlet> <3
[23:20:01] <Sakuya_Izayoi> <3333!
[23:20:05] * Sakuya_Izayoi is fine with this
[23:20:15] <YamameKurodani> OUT OF MY LOBBY WITH YOUR NON-SERIOUS BUSINESS. >:C
[23:20:27] <YamameKurodani> Thank you. ^_^
[23:20:28] <Remilia_Scarlet> But, my dear Yamame.
[23:20:36] <Remilia_Scarlet> Why so serious? :3
[23:20:45] * Remilia_Scarlet old joke is old.
[23:20:47] <Zuren> I almost wish my OC would have somehow saw you two like that, just for the reactions
[23:21:55] * Haru_Yamato ([email protected]) Quit (Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client)
[23:24:42] * EX-Keine is now known as Keine
[23:34:17] * Masaaki_Kagura is now known as Rinnosuke_Morichika
[23:34:26] <Rinnosuke_Morichika> Taking Keine now, Rosy?
[23:34:42] <Keine> .....
[23:34:48] <Keine> I am not sleeping with you if that's what you want
[23:34:55] * Zuren laughs.
[23:36:38] <Rinnosuke_Morichika> I didn't even consider it, it was a serious question.
[23:37:00] <Keine> :/ Well I guess I could if you guys really needed one
[23:37:03] <Keine> I wouldn't mind teaching
[23:37:31] <Rinnosuke_Morichika> Badass teacher.