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- (Jim) If I hit here,
- you'll get all three cameras.
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- - Right?
- - Yeah. Yeah.
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- 00:00:39,231 --> 00:00:41,066
- - Okay?
- - Yeah. Great.
- 4
- 00:00:41,100 --> 00:00:42,534
- - We're ready?
- - Yeah.
- 5
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- (Jim)
- It's June 9th.
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- We are in an undisclosed location.
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- We are interrogating
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- Jim Osterberg,
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- about "The Stooges",
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- the greatest rock and roll band ever.
- 11
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- [gong booming]
- 12
- 00:01:02,554 --> 00:01:04,055
- (male #1) You know,
- uh, one of the things
- 13
- 00:01:04,089 --> 00:01:05,524
- that amazes me, uh
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- 00:01:05,557 --> 00:01:07,926
- is that, um, they do not go about this
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- 00:01:07,959 --> 00:01:10,529
- in a show business way,
- for instance, when somebody says
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- "Here's an act,"
- and they announce the act
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- 00:01:12,897 --> 00:01:15,534
- they may very well tune up
- for ten or fifteen minutes
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- before they ever play the first number
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- that they're going to play.
- 20
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- Uh, and the kids don't seem
- to mind this at all.
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- They, uh, they watch it all and,
- uh, listen to the tune up
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- and listen to them check the speakers.
- 23
- 00:01:25,610 --> 00:01:28,413
- And I think we've got
- some action coming up now.
- 24
- 00:01:28,447 --> 00:01:30,715
- Uh, we'll leave Bob Waller
- for the moment
- 25
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- and go to the stage and listen
- 26
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- to "Iggy and the Stooges!"
- 27
- 00:01:33,485 --> 00:01:36,221
- * ...TV eye on me *
- 28
- 00:01:36,255 --> 00:01:39,391
- * She got a TV eye *
- 29
- 00:01:39,424 --> 00:01:43,162
- * Oh she had a TV eye on me *
- 30
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- * No *
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- [instrumental music]
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- * No! *
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- 00:02:02,647 --> 00:02:04,916
- [crowd screaming]
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- (male #1) There goes Iggy
- right into the crowd!
- 35
- 00:02:07,352 --> 00:02:10,455
- - Down!
- - We've lost audio on him.
- 36
- 00:02:10,489 --> 00:02:13,925
- Bob Waller is down
- in the field with the crowd.
- 37
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- I don't know just where,
- but we'll find him.
- 38
- 00:02:16,395 --> 00:02:17,862
- [acoustic feedback]
- 39
- 00:02:17,896 --> 00:02:18,930
- [man growling]
- 40
- 00:02:18,963 --> 00:02:20,965
- [women whooping]
- 41
- 00:02:20,999 --> 00:02:23,134
- [people clamoring]
- 42
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- [man yelling]
- 43
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- [man howling]
- 44
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- (Iggy)
- Riots in the motor city!
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- It was tough.
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- 00:02:43,822 --> 00:02:45,490
- And we were stumbling and bumbling
- 47
- 00:02:45,524 --> 00:02:48,059
- and finally
- the record company didn't even
- 48
- 00:02:48,092 --> 00:02:49,694
- bother to have anything to do with us
- 49
- 00:02:49,728 --> 00:02:53,632
- but we, we had agents
- and different managers, uh
- 50
- 00:02:53,665 --> 00:02:56,801
- who tried to see if they could penetrate
- 51
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- the tangled web of our, of our career
- 52
- 00:02:59,938 --> 00:03:02,574
- and most of them dropped out in horror.
- 53
- 00:03:02,607 --> 00:03:06,745
- And we bumbled around America
- playing raggedly.
- 54
- 00:03:06,778 --> 00:03:09,648
- We started lookin',
- uh, dirtier and dirtier
- 55
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- and skinnier and skinnier
- 56
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- and more and more used.
- 57
- 00:03:13,685 --> 00:03:15,554
- And we were getting worse and worse.
- 58
- 00:03:15,587 --> 00:03:20,225
- We're sinkin' fast
- into semi-oblivious gigs.
- 59
- 00:03:20,259 --> 00:03:22,361
- Some people still liked us.
- 60
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- Some gigs I could
- get it together to sing
- 61
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- some I couldn't.
- 62
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- Some gigs, I, we'd show up on time
- 63
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- some we didn't.
- 64
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- Up-upsetting people
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- usually because of me, wherever we went.
- 66
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- [instrumental music]
- 67
- 00:03:42,281 --> 00:03:44,048
- * Butt fuckers *
- 68
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- * Cock suckers *
- 69
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- * Wanna bang suck and run my world **
- 70
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- (James) The band was
- really deteriorating
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- very rapidly at that point.
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- So we went out
- and played some gigs and stuff
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- but all kinds of stuff happened.
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- I mean, we had to play a job
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- with Steve Mackay on drums.
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- Which is really wild because, you know
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- Steve said he could play drums,
- but he couldn't.
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- [laughing]
- And s-so, so, we..
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- We needed the money so bad
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- we just let him play.
- 81
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- Oh, you want me to tell that story?
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- 00:04:12,577 --> 00:04:14,713
- Iggy would call a song
- and start doing it
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- and I'd start doing a beat.
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- And he'd come back and grab
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- the sticks out of my hand
- 86
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- and go over to the floor tom
- 87
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- and he would beat the beat out.
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- And then I would know what the beat was
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- and then I'd finish the song.
- 90
- 00:04:26,325 --> 00:04:28,427
- And he did that with every single song.
- 91
- 00:04:28,460 --> 00:04:30,061
- And the crowd's throwing bottles at him
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- 00:04:30,094 --> 00:04:31,663
- and they're saying, "Come on, Iggy
- 93
- 00:04:31,696 --> 00:04:33,498
- "let's see you puke, motherfucker!
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- Ah, fuck you, fuck you."
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- 00:04:35,099 --> 00:04:37,336
- And, like, you know,
- givin' him all the abuse.
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- (Iggy) Thank you very much to the person
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- who threw this glass bottle at my head.
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- Nearly killed me, but you missed again
- 99
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- so you have to keep trying next week.
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- [glass shattering]
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- (James) Leading up to
- the Michigan Palace job
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- was, was, what I referred
- to it as a death march.
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- So they decided to book us
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- in a little club outside of Detroit
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- uh, called The Rock and Roll Farm.
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- Turns out it's a biker bar.
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- Here comes Iggy, out in the audience
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- confronting people in-the,
- uh-as only Iggy can do.
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- 00:05:08,633 --> 00:05:10,469
- And he comes up to one guy
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- and the guy just hauls off
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- and just cold-cocks him.
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- Just, kaboom!
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- [audience cheering]
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- (Iggy)
- I don't know how many of you
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- saw us back in 1967
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- when we first started, you know
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- but it isn't too,
- it isn't too easy being
- 118
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- "The Stooges" sometimes, you know?
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- (male #2)
- Yeah!
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- (James)
- You know, after that gig
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- nobody had to say anything.
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- It was just, like, everybody had had it.
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- I mean, we couldn't make a living.
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- People were throwing shit at us
- all the time
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- and everybody was just tired of it.
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- And so, so, uh..
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- The-the brothers
- moved back to Detroit.
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- (Scott) Jim never came to
- me and said it's over.
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- 00:05:52,343 --> 00:05:54,078
- I just figured it out myself.
- 130
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- Well, here I am sleepin' on the floor
- 131
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- I guess it's over.
- I was basically homeless.
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- I had a drum set.
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- I sold it and bought
- a one way ticket to Detroit.
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- Ended up going over to mom's house
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- and said, "Mom, I'm homeless
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- I'm broke, I'm hungry."
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- 00:06:15,299 --> 00:06:19,771
- (Kathy) When the demise
- of "The Stooges" occurred
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- it wasn't really a surprise.
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- 00:06:21,205 --> 00:06:24,342
- And it goes back
- to that full circle of, like
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- go home, you know, to mom.
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- After my brothers came home
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- I remember feeling relieved
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- and glad.
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- It was like, phew. You know?
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- They're safe.
- That was the main thing.
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- That they came home safe
- 147
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- and they were still alive, you know?
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- 00:06:41,392 --> 00:06:45,229
- (Iggy) That's when I went
- home to my parents' trailer.
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- I was 24.
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- And, um..
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- The group had a... uh
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- a-sp, a sort of
- a sputtering demise.
- 153
- 00:07:00,144 --> 00:07:02,080
- [indistinct chattering]
- 154
- 00:07:03,748 --> 00:07:06,050
- "Gimme Danger, Little Stranger."
- 155
- 00:07:06,084 --> 00:07:08,987
- [instrumental music]
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- 00:07:21,866 --> 00:07:26,437
- * Oh give me danger little stranger *
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- 00:07:26,471 --> 00:07:30,408
- * And I'll give you a piece *
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- 00:07:30,441 --> 00:07:34,746
- * Gimme danger little stranger *
- 159
- 00:07:34,779 --> 00:07:37,949
- * And I'll feel your disease *
- 160
- 00:07:38,950 --> 00:07:42,787
- * There's nothing in my dreams *
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- * Just some ugly memories *
- 162
- 00:07:47,492 --> 00:07:51,496
- * Kiss me like the ocean breeze *
- 163
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- * Hey *
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- * Oh *
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- 00:08:01,305 --> 00:08:03,542
- [indistinct singing]
- 166
- 00:08:08,179 --> 00:08:11,149
- [music continues]
- 167
- 00:08:15,587 --> 00:08:19,624
- * Now if you will be my lover *
- 168
- 00:08:19,658 --> 00:08:23,161
- * Well I will shiver insane *
- 169
- 00:08:26,665 --> 00:08:29,834
- [crowd cheering]
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- 00:08:33,371 --> 00:08:35,674
- [children singing]
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- 00:08:37,175 --> 00:08:39,043
- (Iggy)
- When I was about five
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- we got a TV,
- and I'd watch "Howdy Doody."
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- Buffalo Bob was basically like
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- uh, Timothy Leary for little kids on TV.
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- 00:08:48,753 --> 00:08:50,321
- How do you feel long about the middle
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- 00:08:50,354 --> 00:08:51,856
- of the morning, Clarabell?
- 177
- 00:08:51,890 --> 00:08:53,825
- Not so good, little dragged down, huh?
- 178
- 00:08:53,858 --> 00:08:55,493
- Well, then, Clarabell
- 179
- 00:08:55,526 --> 00:08:57,762
- what you should have is Ovaltine!
- 180
- 00:08:57,796 --> 00:09:00,599
- (Iggy) And I remember the
- sound of the peanut gallery.
- 181
- 00:09:00,632 --> 00:09:03,101
- [laughter]
- 182
- 00:09:03,134 --> 00:09:04,335
- [yelling]
- 183
- 00:09:04,368 --> 00:09:06,370
- Wa-a-ah!
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- 00:09:06,404 --> 00:09:08,172
- They had, uh, characters
- 185
- 00:09:08,206 --> 00:09:10,274
- like Clarabell the Clown, you know
- 186
- 00:09:10,308 --> 00:09:12,343
- and Clarabell the Clown
- might do anything.
- 187
- 00:09:12,376 --> 00:09:14,512
- You didn't know what he was gonna do
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- 00:09:14,545 --> 00:09:16,681
- and that just fascinated me.
- 189
- 00:09:16,715 --> 00:09:20,351
- But the big-big one,
- it was "Soupy Sales."
- 190
- 00:09:20,384 --> 00:09:23,287
- [instrumental music]
- 191
- 00:09:28,960 --> 00:09:31,229
- It was called
- "Lunchtime With Soupy."
- 192
- 00:09:31,262 --> 00:09:33,397
- He encouraged kids to write to him
- 193
- 00:09:33,431 --> 00:09:35,967
- but he said, "Always
- when you write the letter
- 194
- 00:09:36,000 --> 00:09:40,404
- please, twenty-five words or less."
- 195
- 00:09:40,438 --> 00:09:41,773
- ...where'd you learn
- to sing like that?
- 196
- 00:09:41,806 --> 00:09:43,875
- At my speech class.
- 197
- 00:09:43,908 --> 00:09:45,944
- - At your sh.. At your...
- - That's right, Bobby.
- 198
- 00:09:45,977 --> 00:09:47,211
- At your spee..
- Who is your teacher?
- 199
- 00:09:47,245 --> 00:09:49,113
- (Iggy)
- And that always stuck with me.
- 200
- 00:09:49,147 --> 00:09:53,718
- And when I wanted to start
- writing songs for our group
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- 00:09:53,752 --> 00:09:55,720
- I thought, "This is the way to go
- 202
- 00:09:55,754 --> 00:09:57,488
- "try to make it
- twenty-five words
- 203
- 00:09:57,521 --> 00:09:59,090
- different words or less."
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- 00:09:59,123 --> 00:10:01,159
- I didn't feel like I was Bob Dylan
- 205
- 00:10:01,192 --> 00:10:03,762
- blah-blah-blah-blah-blah,
- you know?
- 206
- 00:10:03,795 --> 00:10:06,898
- And, uh, I thought
- "Keep it really short,
- 207
- 00:10:06,931 --> 00:10:09,734
- and none of it will be
- 208
- 00:10:09,768 --> 00:10:11,402
- the wrong thing."
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- 00:10:11,435 --> 00:10:13,304
- * But no fun *
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- 00:10:13,337 --> 00:10:15,139
- * My babe *
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- 00:10:15,173 --> 00:10:16,808
- * No fun *
- 212
- 00:10:17,809 --> 00:10:19,277
- [instrumental music]
- 213
- 00:10:21,145 --> 00:10:25,349
- (Iggy) Yeah, heh, I saw the
- movie with my parents.
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- 00:10:25,383 --> 00:10:29,353
- And it felt great
- that we had the same trailer.
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- 00:10:29,387 --> 00:10:32,023
- Inside, most of the lighting fixtures
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- 00:10:32,056 --> 00:10:34,592
- and part of the furnishings
- were built-in.
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- 00:10:34,625 --> 00:10:35,960
- I had a little bedroom.
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- 00:10:35,994 --> 00:10:39,931
- It was maybe, four or five feet wide
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- 00:10:39,964 --> 00:10:41,532
- by about nine feet long.
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- 00:10:41,565 --> 00:10:43,334
- There's room for a little palette
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- 00:10:43,367 --> 00:10:45,937
- and a little mini desk.
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- 00:10:45,970 --> 00:10:48,272
- So, the only place
- I could set up my drums
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- 00:10:48,306 --> 00:10:49,440
- was in the living room.
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- 00:10:49,473 --> 00:10:51,442
- All weekend long
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- 00:10:51,475 --> 00:10:53,277
- and every night after school
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- 00:10:53,311 --> 00:10:56,781
- my, my drum set took up
- the entire living room.
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- 00:10:56,815 --> 00:10:59,350
- I had a lot of energy,
- I'd beat for hours.
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- 00:10:59,383 --> 00:11:00,685
- Beat, bam, bam, bam, and I'm..
- 229
- 00:11:00,719 --> 00:11:02,453
- [imitating percussion music]
- 230
- 00:11:02,486 --> 00:11:03,654
- The whole place is shakin'.
- 231
- 00:11:03,688 --> 00:11:06,490
- [music continues]
- 232
- 00:11:06,524 --> 00:11:08,827
- They never complained
- 233
- 00:11:08,860 --> 00:11:11,029
- but what they finally did do
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- 00:11:11,062 --> 00:11:13,698
- was after about a year of that
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- 00:11:13,732 --> 00:11:16,167
- they just gave me the master bedroom.
- 236
- 00:11:16,200 --> 00:11:18,169
- [laughing]
- 237
- 00:11:18,202 --> 00:11:20,138
- At the time I thought,
- "Wow, this is great!"
- 238
- 00:11:20,171 --> 00:11:22,841
- but now I realize,
- also it was probably a..
- 239
- 00:11:22,874 --> 00:11:26,711
- Probably a comparable lesser
- of two tortures.
- 240
- 00:11:26,745 --> 00:11:28,747
- And they moved a..
- 241
- 00:11:28,780 --> 00:11:31,349
- They-they moved
- a standard sized bed
- 242
- 00:11:31,382 --> 00:11:33,017
- into the small room.
- 243
- 00:11:33,051 --> 00:11:35,019
- No desk,
- just-just enough so they could
- 244
- 00:11:35,053 --> 00:11:36,855
- get in and out of bed.
- 245
- 00:11:36,888 --> 00:11:39,690
- And I had a...
- 246
- 00:11:39,724 --> 00:11:41,325
- ...single bed and my drum set
- 247
- 00:11:41,359 --> 00:11:44,095
- set up all the time
- in the master bedroom.
- 248
- 00:11:44,128 --> 00:11:45,930
- I was so lucky...
- 249
- 00:11:47,198 --> 00:11:50,101
- ...to live at close quarters
- 250
- 00:11:50,134 --> 00:11:53,604
- in a simple environment with my parents.
- 251
- 00:11:53,637 --> 00:11:55,840
- I got to know my parents.
- 252
- 00:11:55,874 --> 00:11:57,408
- Uh, that's a..
- 253
- 00:11:57,441 --> 00:11:58,943
- That's a real treasure.
- 254
- 00:11:58,977 --> 00:12:00,812
- [instrumental music]
- 255
- 00:12:02,213 --> 00:12:06,117
- I remember dumping my Tinker toys
- 256
- 00:12:06,150 --> 00:12:09,087
- and my Lincoln Logs
- when I was a little boy
- 257
- 00:12:09,120 --> 00:12:11,422
- and pickin' up the wood bits.
- 258
- 00:12:11,455 --> 00:12:14,959
- And I would make a drum out
- of the cylinder and beat on it.
- 259
- 00:12:14,993 --> 00:12:16,627
- And then, when I was in the fourth grade
- 260
- 00:12:16,660 --> 00:12:20,131
- they took us to
- the River Rouge assembly plant
- 261
- 00:12:20,164 --> 00:12:22,033
- of the Ford Motor Company.
- 262
- 00:12:22,066 --> 00:12:24,368
- And they had a machine that engineered
- 263
- 00:12:24,402 --> 00:12:26,570
- a controlled drop of a piece of metal
- 264
- 00:12:26,604 --> 00:12:28,039
- onto a stamping plate.
- 265
- 00:12:28,072 --> 00:12:30,141
- And every time that thing hit
- the stamping plate
- 266
- 00:12:30,174 --> 00:12:33,377
- it made... this racket, this..
- 267
- 00:12:33,411 --> 00:12:36,314
- [imitates banging]
- A-a-a mega-clang.
- 268
- 00:12:36,347 --> 00:12:38,482
- And, uh,
- I-I liked the mega-clang.
- 269
- 00:12:38,516 --> 00:12:41,452
- [instrumental music]
- 270
- 00:12:50,494 --> 00:12:53,764
- * I walk today *
- 271
- 00:12:53,798 --> 00:12:55,566
- * Past some old time *
- 272
- 00:12:55,599 --> 00:12:58,269
- (Iggy) I had a high school
- band, "The Iguanas."
- 273
- 00:12:58,302 --> 00:13:02,740
- We got a job playin' full-time
- at a teen club.
- 274
- 00:13:02,773 --> 00:13:05,243
- A place called The Ponytail.
- 275
- 00:13:05,276 --> 00:13:07,946
- I kept scheming, thinking of things
- 276
- 00:13:07,979 --> 00:13:11,916
- to get more attention and,
- uh, so I thought
- 277
- 00:13:11,950 --> 00:13:15,086
- "What if I played
- on the biggest drum riser
- 278
- 00:13:15,119 --> 00:13:17,221
- that anybody has ever had?"
- 279
- 00:13:18,890 --> 00:13:20,624
- I was about 16 feet up.
- 280
- 00:13:20,658 --> 00:13:23,461
- [chuckling]
- All by myself, you know
- 281
- 00:13:23,494 --> 00:13:26,764
- and the, and the band
- is down there grumbling.
- 282
- 00:13:26,797 --> 00:13:29,600
- A loser in the biz named Chuck
- 283
- 00:13:29,633 --> 00:13:30,768
- approached me and he said
- 284
- 00:13:30,801 --> 00:13:32,971
- "Well, I think you guys are pretty good
- 285
- 00:13:33,004 --> 00:13:34,338
- "I'd like to be your manager
- 286
- 00:13:34,372 --> 00:13:36,474
- and I'll help you
- promote your own gigs."
- 287
- 00:13:36,507 --> 00:13:38,943
- So we rented a pier for one night
- 288
- 00:13:38,977 --> 00:13:41,012
- to throw our own concert.
- 289
- 00:13:41,045 --> 00:13:45,483
- And we had a huge turnout,
- a huge success.
- 290
- 00:13:45,516 --> 00:13:47,485
- [instrumental music]
- 291
- 00:13:49,053 --> 00:13:53,357
- Until half-way through
- the floor started to give.
- 292
- 00:13:53,391 --> 00:13:55,126
- [screaming]
- 293
- 00:13:55,159 --> 00:13:59,130
- Nobody got hurt but basically,
- we, we broke the pier.
- 294
- 00:13:59,163 --> 00:14:00,464
- [Iggy chuckling]
- 295
- 00:14:00,498 --> 00:14:04,068
- That was the end of the self promotion.
- 296
- 00:14:04,102 --> 00:14:06,537
- I was "The Iguanas" during high school
- 297
- 00:14:06,570 --> 00:14:07,805
- and straight out of high school
- 298
- 00:14:07,838 --> 00:14:09,807
- then a semester in college.
- 299
- 00:14:09,840 --> 00:14:11,542
- Then I dropped out of college
- 300
- 00:14:11,575 --> 00:14:13,811
- and was looking out for
- somebody to give me a job.
- 301
- 00:14:13,844 --> 00:14:17,581
- And the "Prime Movers"
- were these school dropout
- 302
- 00:14:17,615 --> 00:14:18,716
- older guys.
- 303
- 00:14:18,749 --> 00:14:20,718
- And they knew
- 304
- 00:14:20,751 --> 00:14:24,055
- about all sorts of blues music.
- 305
- 00:14:24,088 --> 00:14:26,490
- Butterfield's band came through town
- 306
- 00:14:26,524 --> 00:14:29,493
- and the "Prime Movers"
- tried to establish a connection
- 307
- 00:14:29,527 --> 00:14:32,830
- to see if our group could get
- some work through them.
- 308
- 00:14:32,863 --> 00:14:34,565
- I asked, uh, Jerome Arnold
- 309
- 00:14:34,598 --> 00:14:36,434
- the bass player
- in Butterfield at the time
- 310
- 00:14:36,467 --> 00:14:38,436
- if he had any tips for me and my playing
- 311
- 00:14:38,469 --> 00:14:42,440
- and he said, "When you play,
- you play it like you mean it."
- 312
- 00:14:43,874 --> 00:14:45,176
- I was getting fairly good
- 313
- 00:14:45,209 --> 00:14:47,545
- and, um, at some point I lost
- 314
- 00:14:47,578 --> 00:14:50,381
- respect for or faith in the group.
- 315
- 00:14:50,414 --> 00:14:53,384
- And I thought it wasn't really itself.
- 316
- 00:14:53,417 --> 00:14:55,353
- So I decided to go where the real..
- 317
- 00:14:55,386 --> 00:14:58,589
- [chuckles] ...real people
- were doing the real deal.
- 318
- 00:14:58,622 --> 00:15:01,559
- [instrumental music]
- 319
- 00:15:09,567 --> 00:15:12,736
- Different.
- Not like white America.
- 320
- 00:15:12,770 --> 00:15:16,975
- I sat in with a couple of guys
- and, uh, actually got paid
- 321
- 00:15:17,008 --> 00:15:21,479
- ten bucks a couple of times
- to do very unimportant gigs.
- 322
- 00:15:21,512 --> 00:15:23,647
- Once with a guy named Johnny Young
- 323
- 00:15:23,681 --> 00:15:26,817
- and once with Big Walter Horton
- 324
- 00:15:26,850 --> 00:15:30,388
- when they had to go out
- and play for white people.
- 325
- 00:15:30,421 --> 00:15:33,891
- And, uh, and it was a thrill
- for me and I learned a lot.
- 326
- 00:15:33,924 --> 00:15:37,028
- [music continues]
- 327
- 00:15:38,929 --> 00:15:40,498
- It was more relaxed.
- 328
- 00:15:40,531 --> 00:15:42,600
- They knew how to have a good time.
- 329
- 00:15:42,633 --> 00:15:47,238
- And the music
- was... very definite.
- 330
- 00:15:47,271 --> 00:15:50,408
- I saw a little glimpse
- of a deeper life of people
- 331
- 00:15:50,441 --> 00:15:53,577
- who in their adulthood
- had not lost their childhood.
- 332
- 00:15:53,611 --> 00:15:56,514
- [music continues]
- 333
- 00:16:00,351 --> 00:16:03,187
- I smoked a big joint
- one day by the river
- 334
- 00:16:03,221 --> 00:16:06,991
- and realized that I was not black.
- 335
- 00:16:07,025 --> 00:16:09,793
- I thought I would like to do
- 336
- 00:16:09,827 --> 00:16:12,997
- for our generation
- 337
- 00:16:13,031 --> 00:16:14,465
- what the good black players
- 338
- 00:16:14,498 --> 00:16:17,535
- that I loved were doing for theirs.
- 339
- 00:16:17,568 --> 00:16:20,371
- [music continues]
- 340
- 00:16:21,705 --> 00:16:23,607
- Eventually, I just got tired of looking
- 341
- 00:16:23,641 --> 00:16:25,509
- at somebody's butt all the time.
- 342
- 00:16:25,543 --> 00:16:27,111
- [chuckling]
- 343
- 00:16:27,145 --> 00:16:30,414
- That's your-that's,
- that's your curse.
- 344
- 00:16:32,083 --> 00:16:33,617
- The best butt I ever played
- 345
- 00:16:33,651 --> 00:16:36,154
- the two best butts I ever played behind
- 346
- 00:16:36,187 --> 00:16:39,190
- were Abdul Fakir,
- in "The Four Tops."
- 347
- 00:16:39,223 --> 00:16:41,959
- He was the Four Top that would unify
- 348
- 00:16:41,992 --> 00:16:44,495
- the other in their,
- in their dance steps.
- 349
- 00:16:44,528 --> 00:16:47,031
- He was, he was like
- a ba-large bird.
- 350
- 00:16:47,065 --> 00:16:48,866
- And the other one was Mary Weiss
- 351
- 00:16:48,899 --> 00:16:50,368
- from "The Shangri-Las."
- 352
- 00:16:50,401 --> 00:16:52,503
- Wonderful body and face.
- 353
- 00:16:52,536 --> 00:16:56,974
- Delicious, creamy, female dream thing.
- 354
- 00:16:57,007 --> 00:17:01,045
- * He don't hang around *
- 355
- 00:17:01,079 --> 00:17:02,813
- * With the gang no more *
- 356
- 00:17:02,846 --> 00:17:05,683
- I realized drumming
- wasn't what I wanted to do
- 357
- 00:17:05,716 --> 00:17:08,419
- so I decided to go back to Ann Arbor
- 358
- 00:17:08,452 --> 00:17:10,521
- but I needed a ride home.
- 359
- 00:17:10,554 --> 00:17:12,156
- So I called Ron
- 360
- 00:17:12,190 --> 00:17:14,592
- and somehow Scott Richardson had a car
- 361
- 00:17:14,625 --> 00:17:17,728
- and, uh, I did talk Ron
- into working with me.
- 362
- 00:17:17,761 --> 00:17:20,731
- * 'Cause I know that he did it for me *
- 363
- 00:17:20,764 --> 00:17:23,334
- * Can't you see * And I can see *
- 364
- 00:17:23,367 --> 00:17:26,404
- * It's still in the streets *
- 365
- 00:17:26,437 --> 00:17:32,042
- * His heart is out in the street **
- 366
- 00:17:32,076 --> 00:17:35,213
- [instrumental music]
- 367
- 00:17:37,915 --> 00:17:40,551
- Ron Asheton was a musician.
- 368
- 00:17:40,584 --> 00:17:43,954
- He was one of the few people
- that had longer hair than me.
- 369
- 00:17:43,987 --> 00:17:47,925
- He was playing bass
- occasionally with a band
- 370
- 00:17:47,958 --> 00:17:49,793
- called "The Chosen Few"
- 371
- 00:17:49,827 --> 00:17:54,365
- and I really like his style on bass.
- 372
- 00:17:54,398 --> 00:17:56,534
- I met his brother, Scott, later
- 373
- 00:17:56,567 --> 00:17:59,403
- when I was working at Discount Records.
- 374
- 00:17:59,437 --> 00:18:02,039
- Across the street, there was a drugstore
- 375
- 00:18:02,072 --> 00:18:03,541
- called Marshall's.
- 376
- 00:18:03,574 --> 00:18:06,277
- And Scott and a couple of guys
- 377
- 00:18:06,310 --> 00:18:10,148
- hung out inside this drugstore
- doing nothing.
- 378
- 00:18:10,181 --> 00:18:12,150
- One young tough and his friends.
- 379
- 00:18:12,183 --> 00:18:14,918
- Now Scott looked like Elvis.
- 380
- 00:18:14,952 --> 00:18:17,488
- Good-looking, athletic-looking
- 381
- 00:18:17,521 --> 00:18:20,591
- indirect, uncommunicative kid.
- 382
- 00:18:20,624 --> 00:18:22,793
- Scott left school after the ninth grade.
- 383
- 00:18:22,826 --> 00:18:26,164
- I think he would put it
- to somebody and that was that.
- 384
- 00:18:26,197 --> 00:18:28,732
- He immediately began pestering me
- 385
- 00:18:28,766 --> 00:18:31,769
- for about a year to teach him
- something on the drums.
- 386
- 00:18:31,802 --> 00:18:34,472
- I would ask you
- 387
- 00:18:34,505 --> 00:18:38,075
- do you double stroke on your triplets?
- 388
- 00:18:38,108 --> 00:18:39,643
- Mm-hmm.
- 389
- 00:18:39,677 --> 00:18:42,580
- You know, I would think up
- things to ask you...
- 390
- 00:18:42,613 --> 00:18:45,749
- - Oh, I see.. Get it going.
- - Just, just to talk to you.
- 391
- 00:18:45,783 --> 00:18:49,287
- (Iggy) So I taught him,
- like, four or five beats.
- 392
- 00:18:49,320 --> 00:18:53,457
- Mostly, uh, Stax, Volt
- and Bo Diddley stuff.
- 393
- 00:18:53,491 --> 00:18:55,693
- (Scott) My name is Scotty Asheton.
- I go to Garfield School.
- 394
- 00:18:55,726 --> 00:18:57,628
- I'm eight and a half years old.
- 395
- 00:18:57,661 --> 00:19:00,164
- (Ron)
- Hmm! My name is Ronny Asheton.
- 396
- 00:19:00,198 --> 00:19:03,434
- I'm nine years old.
- My.. I go to Garfield school.
- 397
- 00:19:03,467 --> 00:19:06,804
- (Iggy) They lost their dad when,
- uh, I-I think Ron was 14.
- 398
- 00:19:06,837 --> 00:19:10,107
- And their father had been
- a fighter pilot in the war
- 399
- 00:19:10,140 --> 00:19:13,444
- and stayed in the military
- shortly after the war
- 400
- 00:19:13,477 --> 00:19:15,279
- was something we all had in common.
- 401
- 00:19:15,313 --> 00:19:17,448
- (Ron)
- ...two, one, zero, dive!
- 402
- 00:19:17,481 --> 00:19:19,049
- [Ron imitating siren wailing]
- 403
- 00:19:19,082 --> 00:19:20,984
- My dad was a World War II veteran.
- 404
- 00:19:21,018 --> 00:19:24,355
- On his travels, he would buy
- a little something
- 405
- 00:19:24,388 --> 00:19:26,224
- like a dagger or a medal.
- 406
- 00:19:26,257 --> 00:19:27,991
- And then I got interested in it.
- 407
- 00:19:28,025 --> 00:19:29,527
- And we started collecting.
- 408
- 00:19:29,560 --> 00:19:31,562
- And that was like a father and son..
- 409
- 00:19:31,595 --> 00:19:33,697
- We found something to bond with.
- 410
- 00:19:33,731 --> 00:19:36,033
- It had nothing to do with politics
- 411
- 00:19:36,066 --> 00:19:37,468
- or what it stood for.
- 412
- 00:19:37,501 --> 00:19:39,737
- That's pretty oddball that you're buying
- 413
- 00:19:39,770 --> 00:19:42,540
- your eight year old son Nazi stuff.
- 414
- 00:19:42,573 --> 00:19:44,208
- [laughing]
- 415
- 00:19:44,242 --> 00:19:46,210
- (Kathy)
- My name is Kathy Asheton.
- 416
- 00:19:46,244 --> 00:19:47,811
- I go to Garfield School.
- 417
- 00:19:47,845 --> 00:19:49,813
- I'm in second grade.
- 418
- 00:19:49,847 --> 00:19:51,415
- That's all, folks.
- 419
- 00:19:51,449 --> 00:19:54,017
- (Kathy)
- I-I was standing on our porch
- 420
- 00:19:54,051 --> 00:19:55,919
- and noticed this guy walking
- 421
- 00:19:55,953 --> 00:19:58,822
- into the neighborhood with long hair.
- 422
- 00:19:58,856 --> 00:20:01,592
- And so I said to Scotty,
- "Why don't you flag him down
- 423
- 00:20:01,625 --> 00:20:03,494
- and see who he is," you know?
- 424
- 00:20:03,527 --> 00:20:05,996
- And he whistled down Dave Alexander
- 425
- 00:20:06,029 --> 00:20:07,431
- who it turned out to be.
- 426
- 00:20:07,465 --> 00:20:09,667
- And so Scotty met him
- 427
- 00:20:09,700 --> 00:20:12,670
- then Ronny ended up meeting with him.
- 428
- 00:20:12,703 --> 00:20:16,907
- And they were the ones
- that gravitated more together
- 429
- 00:20:16,940 --> 00:20:20,511
- because of the, the commonality
- of their interest
- 430
- 00:20:20,544 --> 00:20:22,280
- in the British music.
- 431
- 00:20:23,614 --> 00:20:25,949
- (Iggy) Ron cut his
- senior year in school.
- 432
- 00:20:25,983 --> 00:20:28,586
- Dave sold his motorcycle
- and flew to England
- 433
- 00:20:28,619 --> 00:20:30,688
- and they saw "The Who" play.
- 434
- 00:20:30,721 --> 00:20:33,691
- They went to the Marquee Club in London
- 435
- 00:20:33,724 --> 00:20:35,726
- and they stayed
- until that money ran out.
- 436
- 00:20:35,759 --> 00:20:38,562
- And that's what really
- set me on the path.
- 437
- 00:20:38,596 --> 00:20:42,366
- Because when I came back,
- I tried to go back to school
- 438
- 00:20:42,400 --> 00:20:44,935
- and I just really didn't fit in.
- 439
- 00:20:44,968 --> 00:20:47,037
- And Ann Arbor was still frat boys.
- 440
- 00:20:47,070 --> 00:20:48,739
- There's not a lot of us.
- 441
- 00:20:48,772 --> 00:20:51,208
- And my counselor even said,
- "Well, why don't you just
- 442
- 00:20:51,241 --> 00:20:52,976
- "take the rest of the year off
- 443
- 00:20:53,010 --> 00:20:55,379
- and try to come back
- next year?"
- 444
- 00:20:55,413 --> 00:20:56,747
- And I'm going, "Yeah, okay."
- 445
- 00:20:56,780 --> 00:20:59,383
- But then going back
- next year, forget it.
- 446
- 00:20:59,417 --> 00:21:02,486
- Next year you can plan
- for higher success, Bill.
- 447
- 00:21:02,520 --> 00:21:05,389
- Yes. Thanks, Miss Evans.
- 448
- 00:21:05,423 --> 00:21:07,791
- Plan for higher success.
- 449
- 00:21:07,825 --> 00:21:09,427
- [drum roll]
- 450
- 00:21:09,460 --> 00:21:11,429
- (female #1) Tape is rolling,
- any time you're ready
- 451
- 00:21:11,462 --> 00:21:13,564
- They had had the concept of a band
- 452
- 00:21:13,597 --> 00:21:14,998
- called "The Dirty Shames"
- 453
- 00:21:15,032 --> 00:21:18,402
- and that was basically
- something they would tell people
- 454
- 00:21:18,436 --> 00:21:20,771
- when they met people
- at a party or something.
- 455
- 00:21:20,804 --> 00:21:23,774
- "Yeah-yeah, we got a band, we're
- called "The Dirty Shames.""
- 456
- 00:21:23,807 --> 00:21:25,743
- There was a period when "The Stooges"
- 457
- 00:21:25,776 --> 00:21:27,244
- resembled "The Dirty Shames."
- 458
- 00:21:27,277 --> 00:21:29,012
- In that we, we decided
- 459
- 00:21:29,046 --> 00:21:32,750
- we had a band,
- we told people we had a band
- 460
- 00:21:32,783 --> 00:21:36,587
- but we hadn't really done any playing.
- 461
- 00:21:36,620 --> 00:21:40,524
- At one point, there was a trip
- we made to New York
- 462
- 00:21:40,558 --> 00:21:44,762
- and we met some attractive
- girls... teenagers.
- 463
- 00:21:44,795 --> 00:21:48,466
- Younger than us.
- Who said they had a band.
- 464
- 00:21:48,499 --> 00:21:51,669
- And we-we drove to Princeton,
- New Jersey
- 465
- 00:21:51,702 --> 00:21:54,037
- to see these girls play in a basement.
- 466
- 00:21:54,071 --> 00:21:57,708
- And they were just...
- lived with their parents.
- 467
- 00:21:57,741 --> 00:22:00,478
- And they were very, very good.
- 468
- 00:22:00,511 --> 00:22:02,680
- And they were much better than us.
- 469
- 00:22:02,713 --> 00:22:05,616
- At that point we, we were shamed.
- 470
- 00:22:05,649 --> 00:22:08,819
- [instrumental music]
- 471
- 00:22:10,821 --> 00:22:13,223
- We were gonna try a series of rehearsals
- 472
- 00:22:13,256 --> 00:22:15,292
- at Ron and Scott's house.
- 473
- 00:22:15,325 --> 00:22:17,327
- It was Ron who let me know
- 474
- 00:22:17,361 --> 00:22:20,964
- "Look, I gotta feel good playing with..
- 475
- 00:22:20,998 --> 00:22:23,233
- "It's-it's,
- uh-it's a weed thing.
- 476
- 00:22:23,266 --> 00:22:24,835
- That's when I'm in the mood."
- 477
- 00:22:24,868 --> 00:22:27,738
- I found a guy who said he would sell me
- 478
- 00:22:27,771 --> 00:22:30,007
- an entire marijuana plant.
- 479
- 00:22:30,040 --> 00:22:33,076
- So he brought it to my parents trailer.
- 480
- 00:22:33,110 --> 00:22:36,647
- He had this-he had this thing,
- al-almost four feet of it.
- 481
- 00:22:36,680 --> 00:22:39,016
- The roots still had dirt on 'em.
- 482
- 00:22:39,049 --> 00:22:41,419
- I'd seen marijuana, it didn't look like
- 483
- 00:22:41,452 --> 00:22:43,086
- anything I'd ever seen.
- 484
- 00:22:43,120 --> 00:22:45,723
- "Are you sure this is.."
- He said, "Yeah, yeah."
- 485
- 00:22:45,756 --> 00:22:47,357
- He said,
- "But you gotta cure it."
- 486
- 00:22:47,391 --> 00:22:51,028
- There was a communal laundry
- at the trailer park.
- 487
- 00:22:51,061 --> 00:22:53,664
- I put a couple quarters in the dryer
- 488
- 00:22:53,697 --> 00:22:57,167
- and started it up and sat there
- 489
- 00:22:57,200 --> 00:22:59,069
- and it started to stink.
- 490
- 00:22:59,102 --> 00:23:03,841
- "Oh, no!" I thought, I was
- really scared, but nobody came.
- 491
- 00:23:03,874 --> 00:23:07,177
- I went and buried
- the whole bag of marijuana
- 492
- 00:23:07,210 --> 00:23:08,679
- but when I wanted to rehearse
- 493
- 00:23:08,712 --> 00:23:13,183
- I'd dig it up and,
- uh, catch a 45-minute bus
- 494
- 00:23:13,216 --> 00:23:14,852
- and it would be about noon.
- 495
- 00:23:14,885 --> 00:23:19,122
- Usually I could get Ron up
- anywhere from five minutes
- 496
- 00:23:19,156 --> 00:23:22,693
- to a half-hour,
- depending on what I had to do
- 497
- 00:23:22,726 --> 00:23:26,930
- throw rocks, hose and, um, and with luck
- 498
- 00:23:26,964 --> 00:23:29,767
- we'd actually all get down
- in the basement
- 499
- 00:23:29,800 --> 00:23:31,735
- 2:30 at the earliest.
- 500
- 00:23:31,769 --> 00:23:33,704
- But more often or not their mother
- 501
- 00:23:33,737 --> 00:23:35,806
- would come home just after three.
- 502
- 00:23:35,839 --> 00:23:38,742
- "I'm home, now shut up that racket!
- 503
- 00:23:38,776 --> 00:23:41,479
- I want some peace,
- and Osterberg's a mental!"
- 504
- 00:23:41,512 --> 00:23:43,380
- [chuckling]
- 505
- 00:23:43,413 --> 00:23:46,584
- [rock music]
- 506
- 00:23:48,619 --> 00:23:52,089
- I was in Ann Arbor,
- I never saw those riots of '67
- 507
- 00:23:52,122 --> 00:23:54,892
- but the way I thought,
- must be abandoned houses
- 508
- 00:23:54,925 --> 00:23:57,427
- all over Detroit where we
- could live for free now.
- 509
- 00:23:57,461 --> 00:23:59,329
- So I heard about one
- 510
- 00:23:59,362 --> 00:24:04,568
- and I went to Detroit with a tab
- of Mescaline and a shovel.
- 511
- 00:24:04,602 --> 00:24:07,505
- And dropped the Mescaline
- and went in that.
- 512
- 00:24:07,538 --> 00:24:09,840
- I told Ron and Scott,
- I'm gonna make a house.
- 513
- 00:24:09,873 --> 00:24:12,242
- Prepare a house where we can live.
- 514
- 00:24:12,275 --> 00:24:13,410
- What are your building?
- 515
- 00:24:13,443 --> 00:24:15,913
- It's our house. Can't you tell?
- 516
- 00:24:15,946 --> 00:24:18,749
- Yes, but you haven't finished it.
- 517
- 00:24:18,782 --> 00:24:22,019
- I didn't know
- from roofing and plumbing and..
- 518
- 00:24:22,052 --> 00:24:26,256
- I didn't know from that shit,
- you know? But I tired.
- 519
- 00:24:26,289 --> 00:24:28,125
- This is where we hung out
- for the first time
- 520
- 00:24:28,158 --> 00:24:31,595
- and started being a group of people
- 521
- 00:24:31,629 --> 00:24:33,163
- that were going to be a band.
- 522
- 00:24:33,196 --> 00:24:35,132
- Any time day or night, you have an idea
- 523
- 00:24:35,165 --> 00:24:38,101
- get together, talk about it,
- play it out, work on songs.
- 524
- 00:24:38,135 --> 00:24:40,337
- (Iggy)
- In one of our early houses
- 525
- 00:24:40,370 --> 00:24:42,439
- where we never accomplished
- making any music
- 526
- 00:24:42,472 --> 00:24:46,109
- we had no discipline,
- the cops kept shutting us down.
- 527
- 00:24:46,143 --> 00:24:48,345
- We were real communists.
- 528
- 00:24:48,378 --> 00:24:51,181
- We were not political at all
- 529
- 00:24:51,214 --> 00:24:54,785
- but we were true communists.
- 530
- 00:24:54,818 --> 00:24:57,821
- We lived in a communal house.
- 531
- 00:24:57,855 --> 00:25:01,358
- We ate the same food at the same time.
- 532
- 00:25:01,391 --> 00:25:05,963
- We practically shared
- all the money pretty equally.
- 533
- 00:25:05,996 --> 00:25:09,967
- When we began to write
- songs... happily
- 534
- 00:25:10,000 --> 00:25:11,969
- since we were too ignorant to realize
- 535
- 00:25:12,002 --> 00:25:14,204
- that there was intellectual property.
- 536
- 00:25:14,237 --> 00:25:16,506
- We shared authorship.
- 537
- 00:25:16,540 --> 00:25:19,677
- [instrumental music]
- 538
- 00:25:22,880 --> 00:25:26,750
- Michigan was a key c-crossroads
- 539
- 00:25:26,784 --> 00:25:31,254
- between San Francisco and New York.
- 540
- 00:25:31,288 --> 00:25:33,523
- And it was where everybody
- stopped on the way
- 541
- 00:25:33,557 --> 00:25:35,659
- if they were gonna bother to stop at all
- 542
- 00:25:35,693 --> 00:25:37,695
- in the flyover country.
- 543
- 00:25:37,728 --> 00:25:39,863
- It was Ann Arbor.
- 544
- 00:25:55,879 --> 00:25:58,381
- I had actually heard a little bit
- 545
- 00:25:58,415 --> 00:25:59,683
- or read a little bit
- 546
- 00:25:59,717 --> 00:26:03,286
- either by or about these people.
- 547
- 00:26:03,320 --> 00:26:06,456
- I had everything, every sort
- of record in the record store.
- 548
- 00:26:06,489 --> 00:26:09,292
- I was the Stooge
- who knew who John Cage was
- 549
- 00:26:09,326 --> 00:26:13,030
- or knew Sun Ra, Carl Orff,
- "The Ventures," Pharaoh Sanders
- 550
- 00:26:13,063 --> 00:26:16,266
- Wailers, Duane Eddy, Link Wray,
- "The Velvet Underground."
- 551
- 00:26:16,299 --> 00:26:19,202
- "A Love Supreme" by John Coltrane.
- 552
- 00:26:19,236 --> 00:26:22,205
- We role-played a lot,
- and listened to a lot of music
- 553
- 00:26:22,239 --> 00:26:24,474
- and one thing we would do
- was get really stoned
- 554
- 00:26:24,507 --> 00:26:27,110
- on either marijuana or LSD.
- 555
- 00:26:27,144 --> 00:26:31,048
- Turn off all the lights
- and we'd put on Harry Partch.
- 556
- 00:26:31,081 --> 00:26:34,017
- [bell ringing]
- 557
- 00:26:35,518 --> 00:26:36,720
- All these sounds..
- 558
- 00:26:36,754 --> 00:26:39,489
- [bell ringing]
- 559
- 00:26:39,522 --> 00:26:42,425
- Harry Partch was huge for me.
- 560
- 00:26:42,459 --> 00:26:44,728
- You know, it was the idea that he hoboed
- 561
- 00:26:44,762 --> 00:26:48,732
- he bohemed, he created
- his own instruments.
- 562
- 00:26:48,766 --> 00:26:50,768
- I like to think
- of w-what I'm doing
- 563
- 00:26:50,801 --> 00:26:52,569
- as visual and corporeal
- 564
- 00:26:52,602 --> 00:26:55,839
- and, uh, I-I want
- the instruments on stage
- 565
- 00:26:55,873 --> 00:26:57,574
- and I want them to be beautiful.
- 566
- 00:26:57,607 --> 00:27:02,179
- I also want the, the, uh, musicians
- 567
- 00:27:02,212 --> 00:27:05,282
- to be a-an active part
- 568
- 00:27:05,315 --> 00:27:10,120
- a, a very active part in the,
- the whole production.
- 569
- 00:27:10,153 --> 00:27:12,422
- (Iggy)
- I was making instruments
- 570
- 00:27:12,455 --> 00:27:15,859
- while we played primitive riffs.
- 571
- 00:27:15,893 --> 00:27:18,628
- We'd-we'd find
- an extremely simple theme
- 572
- 00:27:18,662 --> 00:27:20,497
- and play it over and over.
- 573
- 00:27:20,530 --> 00:27:23,433
- Then take a rest, and play another one.
- 574
- 00:27:23,466 --> 00:27:27,037
- Scott has in the basement
- my old set of drums.
- 575
- 00:27:27,070 --> 00:27:30,373
- And then he also had
- the big thing was oil drums.
- 576
- 00:27:30,407 --> 00:27:33,977
- He was beating on oil drums
- with mallets.
- 577
- 00:27:35,879 --> 00:27:37,614
- Ron had his bass and an amp.
- 578
- 00:27:37,647 --> 00:27:39,616
- (Ron) Just let a feeling come over you
- 579
- 00:27:39,649 --> 00:27:43,220
- just kinda go with this
- great sound that we're making.
- 580
- 00:27:43,253 --> 00:27:45,388
- A-and sometimes something
- would pop in my head
- 581
- 00:27:45,422 --> 00:27:47,190
- sometimes, I, to get a sound
- 582
- 00:27:47,224 --> 00:27:49,960
- I would just hammer on my guitar.
- 583
- 00:27:49,993 --> 00:27:52,062
- (Iggy) They had this lap
- steel and just tuned
- 584
- 00:27:52,095 --> 00:27:55,065
- every string beat
- to the same note, to the E.
- 585
- 00:27:55,098 --> 00:27:58,101
- Sounded like an airplane taking off.
- 586
- 00:28:01,171 --> 00:28:03,874
- We had a blender around.
- 587
- 00:28:03,907 --> 00:28:06,176
- And the Jim-O-Phone,
- it was a cone.
- 588
- 00:28:06,209 --> 00:28:09,046
- It had an opening about four inches
- 589
- 00:28:09,079 --> 00:28:12,082
- or five inches across at the top.
- 590
- 00:28:12,115 --> 00:28:14,852
- As soon as you drop the mic
- into the opening, you'll get..
- 591
- 00:28:14,885 --> 00:28:17,821
- [imitates a tone]
- 592
- 00:28:17,855 --> 00:28:19,857
- You lower it a little bit
- and it'll just go..
- 593
- 00:28:19,890 --> 00:28:22,425
- [imitates a tone]
- 594
- 00:28:22,459 --> 00:28:25,262
- And it even goes down octaves
- until you get..
- 595
- 00:28:25,295 --> 00:28:27,330
- [imitating a horn]
- 596
- 00:28:27,364 --> 00:28:30,667
- Dave, he operated
- some of these instruments.
- 597
- 00:28:30,700 --> 00:28:32,702
- One of the first things
- I used to love to do
- 598
- 00:28:32,736 --> 00:28:35,172
- with a mic, I would inhale..
- 599
- 00:28:35,205 --> 00:28:37,440
- [inhales]
- 600
- 00:28:38,976 --> 00:28:42,112
- And you listen
- to "Asthma Attack."
- 601
- 00:28:42,145 --> 00:28:44,081
- [rock music]
- 602
- 00:28:45,715 --> 00:28:48,051
- That's good free-form music.
- 603
- 00:29:01,564 --> 00:29:05,402
- One night, we'd been up
- all night on LSD.
- 604
- 00:29:05,435 --> 00:29:08,371
- We were all in Ron's room
- and I-I said
- 605
- 00:29:08,405 --> 00:29:10,407
- "What about a name
- for our band?"
- 606
- 00:29:10,440 --> 00:29:13,376
- Ron just said, "Well, let's
- just call it "The Stooges"
- 607
- 00:29:13,410 --> 00:29:15,078
- "'cause we don't do anything wrong
- 608
- 00:29:15,112 --> 00:29:17,447
- "but everybody's picking on us.
- 609
- 00:29:17,480 --> 00:29:20,951
- But we'll be
- "The Psychedelic Stooges.""
- 610
- 00:29:20,984 --> 00:29:24,121
- [instrumental music]
- 611
- 00:29:43,040 --> 00:29:46,076
- (James) Here's a bunch of
- guys that couldn't even play.
- 612
- 00:29:46,109 --> 00:29:48,111
- And they're playing the Grande Ballroom.
- 613
- 00:29:48,145 --> 00:29:50,747
- And the audience is just mesmerized.
- 614
- 00:29:50,780 --> 00:29:55,085
- You know, Iggy's in white face
- playing his vacuum cleaner.
- 615
- 00:29:55,118 --> 00:29:56,786
- (Iggy)
- I wore white face
- 616
- 00:29:56,820 --> 00:29:59,289
- and I had an aluminum Afro wig.
- 617
- 00:29:59,322 --> 00:30:01,825
- I was wearing a maternity smock
- 618
- 00:30:01,859 --> 00:30:03,660
- and then events would happen.
- 619
- 00:30:03,693 --> 00:30:06,429
- Like we would throw things
- and make a noise.
- 620
- 00:30:06,463 --> 00:30:08,131
- I would throw a pie.
- 621
- 00:30:08,165 --> 00:30:11,101
- I actually tired to get the group...
- 622
- 00:30:11,134 --> 00:30:13,270
- ...to work out a cover song.
- 623
- 00:30:13,303 --> 00:30:16,606
- What's simple enough
- for the group to play
- 624
- 00:30:16,639 --> 00:30:20,377
- simple enough for me to sing,
- and has a good beat?
- 625
- 00:30:20,410 --> 00:30:23,280
- And I-I-I,
- this was a terrible experiment
- 626
- 00:30:23,313 --> 00:30:26,649
- but we tried "She Cried"
- by "Jay and the Americans."
- 627
- 00:30:26,683 --> 00:30:29,319
- [instrumental music]
- 628
- 00:30:29,352 --> 00:30:31,621
- [humming]
- 629
- 00:30:31,654 --> 00:30:33,891
- * And when I told her *
- 630
- 00:30:33,924 --> 00:30:36,626
- * I didn't love her anymore *
- 631
- 00:30:36,659 --> 00:30:38,361
- * She cried *
- 632
- 00:30:38,395 --> 00:30:40,230
- That was as far as we could ever get.
- 633
- 00:30:40,263 --> 00:30:44,234
- It sounded great.
- I would, I'd do it right now.
- 634
- 00:30:44,267 --> 00:30:46,203
- (Iggy) There was a particular rehearsal
- 635
- 00:30:46,236 --> 00:30:48,471
- where I just handed
- Ron a guitar and I just said
- 636
- 00:30:48,505 --> 00:30:51,841
- "You do it, I'm not that good
- at the music part."
- 637
- 00:30:51,875 --> 00:30:54,244
- And Dave moved over on bass.
- 638
- 00:30:54,277 --> 00:30:56,213
- Our manager came home
- 639
- 00:30:56,246 --> 00:30:59,816
- and I improvised an angry song
- 640
- 00:30:59,849 --> 00:31:01,351
- and began again.
- 641
- 00:31:01,384 --> 00:31:04,922
- I-I had no way to express
- my anger to this guy
- 642
- 00:31:04,955 --> 00:31:06,990
- who I never liked so much.
- 643
- 00:31:07,024 --> 00:31:08,558
- I just started jumping up and down
- 644
- 00:31:08,591 --> 00:31:12,029
- like, kinda the way chimps or baboons do
- 645
- 00:31:12,062 --> 00:31:13,496
- before they're gonna fight.
- 646
- 00:31:13,530 --> 00:31:16,099
- Like that, and as soon
- as I started doing that
- 647
- 00:31:16,133 --> 00:31:19,402
- poof, up went the Asheton's.
- 648
- 00:31:19,436 --> 00:31:21,604
- * All night *
- 649
- 00:31:21,638 --> 00:31:23,673
- * Till I blow *
- 650
- 00:31:23,706 --> 00:31:26,543
- * Away *
- 651
- 00:31:26,576 --> 00:31:28,845
- * I feel alright *
- 652
- 00:31:28,878 --> 00:31:31,548
- * I feel alright *
- 653
- 00:31:31,581 --> 00:31:35,953
- That was the first time
- I ever saw those two guys...
- 654
- 00:31:35,986 --> 00:31:38,788
- ...powerfully motivated by something
- 655
- 00:31:38,821 --> 00:31:42,125
- that wasn't an imitation
- of somebody else.
- 656
- 00:31:42,159 --> 00:31:43,994
- Something that was their own.
- 657
- 00:31:45,228 --> 00:31:47,965
- In the Asheton's I found primitive man.
- 658
- 00:31:47,998 --> 00:31:49,632
- * So
- 659
- 00:31:54,437 --> 00:31:55,605
- Wooh!
- 660
- 00:31:56,639 --> 00:31:58,108
- * So *
- 661
- 00:32:00,243 --> 00:32:02,279
- [audience applauding]
- 662
- 00:32:04,081 --> 00:32:07,217
- (Rob Tyner) Brothers and sisters,
- it's time to get down with it.
- 663
- 00:32:07,250 --> 00:32:10,620
- Brothers, it's time to testify,
- I want to know
- 664
- 00:32:10,653 --> 00:32:12,789
- are you ready to testify?
- 665
- 00:32:12,822 --> 00:32:14,057
- Are you ready?
- 666
- 00:32:14,091 --> 00:32:16,659
- I give you a testimonial!
- 667
- 00:32:16,693 --> 00:32:18,628
- The "MC5."
- 668
- 00:32:18,661 --> 00:32:21,598
- [instrumental music]
- 669
- 00:32:31,274 --> 00:32:34,511
- * Hey love is like a Ramblin' Rose *
- 670
- 00:32:34,544 --> 00:32:37,347
- (Iggy) Fred Smith was
- dating Kathy Asheton.
- 671
- 00:32:37,380 --> 00:32:40,350
- Scott and I and Ron went with Kathy
- 672
- 00:32:40,383 --> 00:32:45,088
- to see "MC5" when they were
- still a cover band.
- 673
- 00:32:45,122 --> 00:32:47,690
- Lot of attitude, they had the look down
- 674
- 00:32:47,724 --> 00:32:51,761
- they were doing
- British influenced R and B
- 675
- 00:32:51,794 --> 00:32:53,630
- rock and soul.
- 676
- 00:32:56,233 --> 00:32:58,368
- I remember a night when the three of us
- 677
- 00:32:58,401 --> 00:33:01,004
- drove into Detroit
- to see if we could talk
- 678
- 00:33:01,038 --> 00:33:02,805
- about getting some opening slots.
- 679
- 00:33:02,839 --> 00:33:06,043
- And they had a practice space
- with a big thick door
- 680
- 00:33:06,076 --> 00:33:09,379
- and Scott and Ron and I stood
- there in the freezing cold
- 681
- 00:33:09,412 --> 00:33:11,448
- listening through the door
- 682
- 00:33:11,481 --> 00:33:14,451
- to "Kick Out The Jams"
- coming through like..
- 683
- 00:33:14,484 --> 00:33:17,587
- [imitating guitar music]
- 684
- 00:33:20,390 --> 00:33:24,461
- It was simple and then,
- uh-wow, so powerful.
- 685
- 00:33:24,494 --> 00:33:26,996
- We should get some of that.
- 686
- 00:33:27,030 --> 00:33:29,032
- [rock music]
- 687
- 00:33:30,567 --> 00:33:34,537
- And we would play with them
- for nothing in church basements
- 688
- 00:33:34,571 --> 00:33:38,641
- youth centers, and we would
- open some of their shows
- 689
- 00:33:38,675 --> 00:33:40,310
- at the Ballroom.
- 690
- 00:33:40,343 --> 00:33:43,980
- We joined their circus in many ways.
- 691
- 00:33:44,013 --> 00:33:47,117
- [music continues]
- 692
- 00:33:50,453 --> 00:33:54,557
- The Five were bigger time
- commies than we were.
- 693
- 00:33:54,591 --> 00:33:58,828
- The big poohbah of the area
- was John Sinclair.
- 694
- 00:33:58,861 --> 00:34:01,564
- (John) Total assault on the
- culture by any means necessary
- 695
- 00:34:01,598 --> 00:34:04,501
- including rock and roll, dope,
- and fucking in the streets.
- 696
- 00:34:04,534 --> 00:34:08,738
- We believe that the... general,
- uh, social structure...
- 697
- 00:34:10,207 --> 00:34:12,842
- ...of the Western world is crumbling.
- 698
- 00:34:12,875 --> 00:34:17,614
- And, uh, that, that now is
- the time to increase
- 699
- 00:34:17,647 --> 00:34:22,219
- the assault on this culture, and, uh..
- 700
- 00:34:22,252 --> 00:34:25,855
- (Iggy) Under Sinclair's
- cloud of mega-organization
- 701
- 00:34:25,888 --> 00:34:29,192
- began to branch into, first,
- there was the "MC5" commune
- 702
- 00:34:29,226 --> 00:34:32,529
- and then there was
- Trans-love Energies.
- 703
- 00:34:32,562 --> 00:34:35,365
- And then they were
- becoming more political
- 704
- 00:34:35,398 --> 00:34:37,367
- and they wanted to be
- like Black Panthers
- 705
- 00:34:37,400 --> 00:34:39,736
- and they started this
- W-White Panther party
- 706
- 00:34:39,769 --> 00:34:43,373
- which was, which was honestly,
- it was just ridiculous.
- 707
- 00:34:43,406 --> 00:34:45,142
- We tried to avoid that.
- 708
- 00:34:45,175 --> 00:34:47,577
- We tried to avoid everything.
- 709
- 00:34:47,610 --> 00:34:50,079
- I guess that was why you,
- you kept hearing
- 710
- 00:34:50,113 --> 00:34:51,714
- the word "Nihilist" about us.
- 711
- 00:34:51,748 --> 00:34:55,918
- But finally, at one point,
- John put his foot down.
- 712
- 00:34:55,952 --> 00:34:59,055
- And he wanted us to accompany
- the Five to play
- 713
- 00:34:59,088 --> 00:35:00,890
- at the democratic convention
- 714
- 00:35:00,923 --> 00:35:03,960
- in Chicago in '68 that culminated
- 715
- 00:35:03,993 --> 00:35:06,629
- in bloody rioting.
- 716
- 00:35:06,663 --> 00:35:08,598
- [instrumental music]
- 717
- 00:35:10,367 --> 00:35:14,504
- * Well I'm sittin' all alone.. **
- 718
- 00:35:14,537 --> 00:35:16,273
- And I didn't want to.
- 719
- 00:35:16,306 --> 00:35:20,177
- There was a, you're either
- with us or against us, moment
- 720
- 00:35:20,210 --> 00:35:23,580
- there and I-I wasn't
- going for it.
- 721
- 00:35:23,613 --> 00:35:25,282
- I still didn't say anything.
- 722
- 00:35:25,315 --> 00:35:29,486
- I started somersaulting around the room.
- 723
- 00:35:29,519 --> 00:35:31,988
- [chuckles]
- That was my reaction.
- 724
- 00:35:32,021 --> 00:35:35,692
- I-I couldn't think of any..
- I don't know, I don't know.
- 725
- 00:35:35,725 --> 00:35:38,195
- Oh, well, you know, I don't know why.
- 726
- 00:35:38,228 --> 00:35:41,097
- But I just, I couldn't say no.
- 727
- 00:35:41,130 --> 00:35:43,600
- And I wasn't gonna say yes.
- 728
- 00:35:43,633 --> 00:35:45,435
- So finally he just left the room.
- 729
- 00:35:45,468 --> 00:35:47,003
- I-I remember that moment.
- 730
- 00:35:47,036 --> 00:35:50,307
- That wasn't who we were,
- and that would have come out.
- 731
- 00:35:50,340 --> 00:35:53,476
- [rock music]
- 732
- 00:35:55,678 --> 00:35:57,947
- Not long after that, we were playing in
- 733
- 00:35:57,980 --> 00:36:01,351
- the student union in Michigan
- 734
- 00:36:01,384 --> 00:36:04,454
- when a record scout
- was coming to see them.
- 735
- 00:36:04,487 --> 00:36:06,856
- He was, it was recommended
- by Wayne Kramer
- 736
- 00:36:06,889 --> 00:36:09,992
- "You should check out
- our little brother band."
- 737
- 00:36:10,026 --> 00:36:12,495
- (Danny) This was Wayne Kramer,
- I'll never forget this.
- 738
- 00:36:12,529 --> 00:36:16,533
- He said, "You know, you'll like
- us, but I think if you like us
- 739
- 00:36:16,566 --> 00:36:19,369
- "there's, we have a little brother band
- 740
- 00:36:19,402 --> 00:36:21,971
- you will really like them."
- 741
- 00:36:22,004 --> 00:36:26,643
- Well, he was prescient in his..
- I said, "Whoa, whoa, whoa, who?"
- 742
- 00:36:26,676 --> 00:36:28,745
- It was "Iggy And The Stooges."
- 743
- 00:36:28,778 --> 00:36:30,647
- They were, I said,
- "Well, when can I see them?"
- 744
- 00:36:30,680 --> 00:36:32,549
- He said, "They're playing
- this afternoon.
- 745
- 00:36:32,582 --> 00:36:34,751
- On the campus
- at the University of Michigan."
- 746
- 00:36:34,784 --> 00:36:37,520
- I went across the street,
- and up the stairs
- 747
- 00:36:37,554 --> 00:36:40,390
- and heard this incredible music
- 748
- 00:36:40,423 --> 00:36:42,492
- just booming in the hallways.
- 749
- 00:36:42,525 --> 00:36:44,694
- I said, "Ah, this is so great."
- 750
- 00:36:44,727 --> 00:36:47,997
- And I was, I was pulled by the music.
- 751
- 00:36:48,030 --> 00:36:50,600
- People ask me,
- "When did you first see Iggy?"
- 752
- 00:36:50,633 --> 00:36:54,170
- But I didn't.
- I heard them before I saw them.
- 753
- 00:36:54,203 --> 00:36:57,307
- [rock music]
- 754
- 00:37:06,749 --> 00:37:09,519
- Then I saw Iggy, he was the front man.
- 755
- 00:37:09,552 --> 00:37:12,289
- I thought,
- "This is just perfection."
- 756
- 00:37:13,390 --> 00:37:15,292
- We used to get those big amps crankin
- 757
- 00:37:15,325 --> 00:37:17,360
- and this room just rang.
- 758
- 00:37:17,394 --> 00:37:19,362
- It was like
- the-the sound just bounced
- 759
- 00:37:19,396 --> 00:37:20,630
- you can hear it from this.
- 760
- 00:37:20,663 --> 00:37:23,633
- Just imagine Marshall stacks at ten.
- 761
- 00:37:23,666 --> 00:37:27,370
- This is, uh, where we were
- discovered by Danny Fields.
- 762
- 00:37:27,404 --> 00:37:29,906
- We got done playing,
- this is the same stage.
- 763
- 00:37:29,939 --> 00:37:32,542
- Place was packed,
- you know, imagine the late
- 764
- 00:37:32,575 --> 00:37:35,712
- this was late sixties.
- Like 1968.
- 765
- 00:37:35,745 --> 00:37:38,381
- He was a PR for Elektra Records.
- 766
- 00:37:38,415 --> 00:37:41,418
- So we get off stage and he goes, uh
- 767
- 00:37:41,451 --> 00:37:43,486
- "How would you guys
- like to be, uh, stars?"
- 768
- 00:37:43,520 --> 00:37:44,921
- "Oh, yeah. Right, sure.
- 769
- 00:37:44,954 --> 00:37:46,956
- Throw this guy out."
- And he was serious.
- 770
- 00:37:46,989 --> 00:37:48,425
- (Danny) I'm just gonna
- call the president
- 771
- 00:37:48,458 --> 00:37:49,992
- of Elektra Records, and I said
- 772
- 00:37:50,026 --> 00:37:51,728
- "I just saw two great bands.
- 773
- 00:37:51,761 --> 00:37:54,564
- "The one band
- is really popular around here
- 774
- 00:37:54,597 --> 00:37:55,932
- "they have a following
- 775
- 00:37:55,965 --> 00:37:58,234
- "they play to two,
- three thousand people.
- 776
- 00:37:58,267 --> 00:38:02,071
- And the other band is a little
- early stages of development."
- 777
- 00:38:02,104 --> 00:38:06,409
- Jac just said, "See if the big
- band will take twenty thousand
- 778
- 00:38:06,443 --> 00:38:07,810
- and the little band
- will take five."
- 779
- 00:38:07,844 --> 00:38:09,512
- Both bands signed on that day
- 780
- 00:38:09,546 --> 00:38:14,250
- it was the weekend
- of September 22nd, 1968.
- 781
- 00:38:14,283 --> 00:38:18,355
- (Iggy) Show biz is not a friendly place
- 782
- 00:38:18,388 --> 00:38:21,157
- and I gotta say, of all the people
- 783
- 00:38:21,190 --> 00:38:24,761
- that ever extended a hand to our group
- 784
- 00:38:24,794 --> 00:38:28,798
- the "MC5" were probably
- the most genuine about it.
- 785
- 00:38:28,831 --> 00:38:31,334
- As soon as we got signed,
- we started feeling
- 786
- 00:38:31,368 --> 00:38:33,336
- more professional.
- 787
- 00:38:33,370 --> 00:38:35,972
- I think we realized we didn't need to be
- 788
- 00:38:36,005 --> 00:38:38,107
- "The Psychedelic Stooges."
- 789
- 00:38:38,140 --> 00:38:39,476
- We'll just be "The Stooges."
- 790
- 00:38:39,509 --> 00:38:42,445
- So Ron actually called up Moe Howard
- 791
- 00:38:42,479 --> 00:38:44,847
- to see if it would be okay.
- 792
- 00:38:44,881 --> 00:38:47,817
- [rock music]
- 793
- 00:39:11,340 --> 00:39:16,012
- That was Ron's finest hour,
- when he came up over
- 794
- 00:39:16,045 --> 00:39:19,849
- the next months with two great riffs.
- 795
- 00:39:19,882 --> 00:39:22,685
- Uh, "Wanna Be Your Dog,"
- and "No Fun."
- 796
- 00:39:22,719 --> 00:39:24,654
- So for a while we just went out
- and played it
- 797
- 00:39:24,687 --> 00:39:27,323
- and-and I remember
- on both that one
- 798
- 00:39:27,356 --> 00:39:31,160
- and "No Fun," the members of
- the "MC5" raising an eyebrow
- 799
- 00:39:31,193 --> 00:39:34,497
- and going, "Uh, you got
- a good riff there."
- 800
- 00:39:34,531 --> 00:39:37,634
- [rock music]
- 801
- 00:39:59,489 --> 00:40:01,123
- We-we loved it. We loved it.
- 802
- 00:40:01,157 --> 00:40:04,193
- Every, all, the whole group
- loved New York.
- 803
- 00:40:04,226 --> 00:40:06,395
- There were things in that environment
- 804
- 00:40:06,429 --> 00:40:10,967
- that didn't really exist for
- a young person in the Midwest.
- 805
- 00:40:11,734 --> 00:40:13,770
- [music continues]
- 806
- 00:40:13,803 --> 00:40:18,007
- * In my room I want you here **
- 807
- 00:40:21,844 --> 00:40:24,313
- I'd been listening
- to one of Velvet's records.
- 808
- 00:40:24,346 --> 00:40:26,549
- It's just very, very good.
- 809
- 00:40:26,583 --> 00:40:28,718
- An-and it was simple.
- 810
- 00:40:28,751 --> 00:40:31,253
- And the simplicity,
- and some of the droning
- 811
- 00:40:31,287 --> 00:40:32,989
- and some of the moods
- 812
- 00:40:33,022 --> 00:40:36,493
- had a big influence on us, you know?
- 813
- 00:40:41,097 --> 00:40:44,166
- So when they suggested
- John Cale, we thought
- 814
- 00:40:44,200 --> 00:40:46,469
- it was perfect for us.
- 815
- 00:40:46,503 --> 00:40:49,972
- That record... wouldn't
- have felt the same
- 816
- 00:40:50,006 --> 00:40:52,675
- if we hadn't brought it to New York
- 817
- 00:40:52,709 --> 00:40:55,177
- and played it for that person.
- 818
- 00:40:55,211 --> 00:40:57,079
- We preformed for him.
- 819
- 00:40:57,113 --> 00:40:58,648
- I-I remember that he
- 820
- 00:40:58,681 --> 00:41:00,617
- wore a big black cape
- 821
- 00:41:00,650 --> 00:41:03,853
- like Z-Man in "Beyond
- the Valley of the Dolls."
- 822
- 00:41:05,154 --> 00:41:07,123
- He brought Nico in a few times.
- 823
- 00:41:07,156 --> 00:41:11,861
- It really looked like,
- uh, Morticia and Gomez.
- 824
- 00:41:11,894 --> 00:41:12,762
- Ready.
- 825
- 00:41:12,795 --> 00:41:15,665
- When we recorded the record.
- 826
- 00:41:15,698 --> 00:41:17,967
- They couldn't get a decent band track
- 827
- 00:41:18,000 --> 00:41:21,671
- of the band unless I danced.
- 828
- 00:41:21,704 --> 00:41:24,574
- [instrumental music]
- 829
- 00:41:26,175 --> 00:41:29,546
- I would stand in the band room with them
- 830
- 00:41:29,579 --> 00:41:31,180
- just with no mic or anything
- 831
- 00:41:31,213 --> 00:41:33,349
- and just dance and jump around
- 832
- 00:41:33,382 --> 00:41:34,884
- and roll around.
- 833
- 00:41:34,917 --> 00:41:37,486
- Do whatever I had to do to get a take.
- 834
- 00:41:42,158 --> 00:41:45,962
- The studio was, was a tiny little room
- 835
- 00:41:45,995 --> 00:41:48,197
- above a peep show on Times Square
- 836
- 00:41:48,230 --> 00:41:51,634
- but it was an R and B studio
- run by Jerry Ragovoy
- 837
- 00:41:51,668 --> 00:41:53,803
- with tiny little amplifiers.
- 838
- 00:41:53,836 --> 00:41:56,305
- And then we came in
- with our Marshall stacks
- 839
- 00:41:56,338 --> 00:41:58,307
- and everybody freaked out.
- 840
- 00:41:58,340 --> 00:41:59,842
- [screaming]
- 841
- 00:41:59,876 --> 00:42:02,044
- The host engineer started saying
- 842
- 00:42:02,078 --> 00:42:04,013
- "But Jerry Ragovoy
- does it this way."
- 843
- 00:42:04,046 --> 00:42:07,049
- "I don't care about Jerry Ragovoy.
- 844
- 00:42:07,083 --> 00:42:09,318
- You know,
- you don't understand."
- 845
- 00:42:09,351 --> 00:42:10,787
- [screaming]
- 846
- 00:42:13,022 --> 00:42:16,425
- Cale finally got us
- to turn our amps to nine.
- 847
- 00:42:16,458 --> 00:42:17,894
- That was the compromise.
- 848
- 00:42:17,927 --> 00:42:22,699
- * You took my arm *
- 849
- 00:42:22,732 --> 00:42:25,267
- * And you broke my.. *
- 850
- 00:42:25,301 --> 00:42:26,869
- We had four songs.
- 851
- 00:42:26,903 --> 00:42:31,273
- "Dog." "Fun." "69." and "Ann."
- 852
- 00:42:31,307 --> 00:42:35,678
- And the idea was,
- each song had a song part
- 853
- 00:42:35,712 --> 00:42:37,413
- that lasted about two minutes.
- 854
- 00:42:37,446 --> 00:42:41,851
- And then there'd be about ten
- minutes of improv on the riff.
- 855
- 00:42:41,884 --> 00:42:44,854
- When we heard it back taped, I thought
- 856
- 00:42:44,887 --> 00:42:47,389
- these songs are great,
- for the first three minutes
- 857
- 00:42:47,423 --> 00:42:48,925
- this is good.
- 858
- 00:42:48,958 --> 00:42:52,528
- And then after the three
- minutes, I started thinking
- 859
- 00:42:52,561 --> 00:42:54,764
- I don't know if this is really
- 860
- 00:42:54,797 --> 00:42:57,366
- so great to listen to
- at minute seven here.
- 861
- 00:42:57,399 --> 00:42:59,201
- But I didn't say anything.
- 862
- 00:42:59,235 --> 00:43:03,039
- And-and then it took
- the very sensible
- 863
- 00:43:03,072 --> 00:43:06,175
- record store owner
- in business, Jac Holzman.
- 864
- 00:43:07,009 --> 00:43:08,277
- No, no, no, no.
- 865
- 00:43:08,310 --> 00:43:09,545
- He said, "I can't put this out.
- 866
- 00:43:09,578 --> 00:43:11,580
- There's not enough songs."
- 867
- 00:43:11,614 --> 00:43:13,916
- And you know,
- I-I knew he was right.
- 868
- 00:43:15,351 --> 00:43:18,387
- Oh, we got a lot more songs,
- just, uh, give
- 869
- 00:43:18,420 --> 00:43:19,588
- book us another session.
- 870
- 00:43:19,622 --> 00:43:21,390
- [instrumental music]
- 871
- 00:43:21,423 --> 00:43:24,393
- * She *
- 872
- 00:43:24,426 --> 00:43:26,562
- * Not right *
- 873
- 00:43:26,595 --> 00:43:28,064
- * I want something *
- 874
- 00:43:28,097 --> 00:43:30,833
- * I want something tonight *
- 875
- 00:43:30,867 --> 00:43:33,670
- (Scott)
- Half or more of the songs
- 876
- 00:43:33,703 --> 00:43:37,239
- were written in the Chelsea Hotel.
- 877
- 00:43:37,273 --> 00:43:40,910
- The day before we went into the studio
- 878
- 00:43:40,943 --> 00:43:44,781
- and the song, "Not Right,"
- 879
- 00:43:44,814 --> 00:43:46,849
- we had never played.
- 880
- 00:43:46,883 --> 00:43:50,987
- The first time we'd ever played it
- 881
- 00:43:51,020 --> 00:43:53,790
- that was it, that was the take.
- 882
- 00:43:53,823 --> 00:43:56,625
- [instrumental music]
- 883
- 00:43:57,393 --> 00:44:00,830
- * It's always *
- 884
- 00:44:00,863 --> 00:44:03,032
- * Well it's always this way *
- 885
- 00:44:11,808 --> 00:44:16,312
- [chanting]
- Shree Ram..
- 886
- 00:44:24,253 --> 00:44:25,988
- Dave Alexander,
- 887
- 00:44:27,824 --> 00:44:29,291
- he said...
- 888
- 00:44:29,325 --> 00:44:32,194
- ..."Why don't we do something
- with an Om chant?"
- 889
- 00:44:39,235 --> 00:44:42,138
- I don't know if it was Ron
- or me, but one of us
- 890
- 00:44:42,171 --> 00:44:44,741
- melodicized the chant and then made it..
- 891
- 00:44:44,774 --> 00:44:46,709
- Om...
- 892
- 00:44:46,743 --> 00:44:51,180
- ...Shree Ram...
- 893
- 00:44:51,213 --> 00:44:52,681
- ...Ja.
- 894
- 00:44:54,050 --> 00:44:58,054
- Ram, ja, ja, Ram..
- 895
- 00:45:00,689 --> 00:45:02,925
- * Tonight.. *
- 896
- 00:45:02,959 --> 00:45:05,327
- If we didn't have that
- song on that album
- 897
- 00:45:05,361 --> 00:45:08,430
- we-we would have had
- just a bunch of similar
- 898
- 00:45:08,464 --> 00:45:11,100
- rock tracks in the party line.
- 899
- 00:45:11,133 --> 00:45:16,372
- [chanting]
- Ram, cha, cha, Ram..
- 900
- 00:45:16,405 --> 00:45:21,010
- * I hold myself tight *
- 901
- 00:45:21,043 --> 00:45:23,946
- [chanting]
- Shree Ram..
- 902
- 00:45:23,980 --> 00:45:26,783
- It did make a statement that
- 903
- 00:45:26,816 --> 00:45:29,886
- we weren't like the other bands.
- 904
- 00:45:29,919 --> 00:45:33,422
- [chanting]
- ...cha, cha, Ram.
- 905
- 00:45:34,957 --> 00:45:37,193
- * I won't fight *
- 906
- 00:45:37,226 --> 00:45:39,728
- (Iggy)
- Dave changed our history.
- 907
- 00:45:43,732 --> 00:45:46,268
- * I won't fight *
- 908
- 00:45:46,302 --> 00:45:50,072
- [chanting]
- Ram, cha, cha..
- 909
- 00:45:50,106 --> 00:45:52,875
- That record, I thought it was a..
- 910
- 00:45:52,909 --> 00:45:55,144
- ...myself that it was a...
- 911
- 00:45:55,177 --> 00:45:59,448
- ...sort of neat, petite, well-organized
- 912
- 00:45:59,481 --> 00:46:03,719
- good, sharp, little poke, and, uh..
- 913
- 00:46:03,752 --> 00:46:05,888
- I was, I was real proud of the, uh
- 914
- 00:46:05,922 --> 00:46:08,657
- the clarity of the songs.
- 915
- 00:46:08,690 --> 00:46:15,297
- * Midnight winds are landing
- at the end of time *
- 916
- 00:46:16,999 --> 00:46:21,303
- (Iggy) Nico's the most culturally
- and artistically knowledgeable
- 917
- 00:46:21,337 --> 00:46:23,906
- beautiful woman that I'd ever met.
- 918
- 00:46:23,940 --> 00:46:25,441
- She's ten years older than me
- 919
- 00:46:25,474 --> 00:46:28,110
- and she had an opinion about
- almost everything
- 920
- 00:46:28,144 --> 00:46:31,347
- that had to do with the arts,
- and I listened to her.
- 921
- 00:46:31,380 --> 00:46:35,151
- Now I began being influenced,
- probably got a little crazier.
- 922
- 00:46:35,184 --> 00:46:38,087
- She stayed a couple of weeks, I think.
- 923
- 00:46:38,120 --> 00:46:41,757
- They hated having a girl in the house.
- 924
- 00:46:41,790 --> 00:46:44,626
- (Ron) And at first we
- resented her being there.
- 925
- 00:46:44,660 --> 00:46:46,428
- It's like.. Dammit!
- 926
- 00:46:46,462 --> 00:46:48,764
- And they pretty much kept to themselves
- 927
- 00:46:48,797 --> 00:46:50,432
- so there's no hanging out...
- 928
- 00:46:50,466 --> 00:46:52,869
- ...and then the worst was, uh...
- 929
- 00:46:52,902 --> 00:46:54,370
- ...bringing her in the practice room.
- 930
- 00:46:54,403 --> 00:46:57,106
- No women or girlfriends
- in the practice room.
- 931
- 00:46:57,139 --> 00:46:58,674
- She'd sit there..
- 932
- 00:46:58,707 --> 00:47:01,810
- (Iggy) ...watch, and she'd
- critique it, you know.
- 933
- 00:47:01,844 --> 00:47:03,012
- "This one is very good."
- 934
- 00:47:03,045 --> 00:47:04,613
- I-I think
- she was on the rebound
- 935
- 00:47:04,646 --> 00:47:07,316
- maybe from something
- with Lou Reed, perhaps
- 936
- 00:47:07,349 --> 00:47:10,152
- so she'd, she'd usually
- get in a dig at Lou
- 937
- 00:47:10,186 --> 00:47:13,189
- whenever she liked something
- I was doing, she'd say
- 938
- 00:47:13,222 --> 00:47:14,790
- "You, you are much better
- 939
- 00:47:14,823 --> 00:47:17,293
- you are much more talented
- than Lou."
- 940
- 00:47:17,326 --> 00:47:19,962
- So we just started hanging out and, uh
- 941
- 00:47:19,996 --> 00:47:21,898
- gave her a break because she was
- 942
- 00:47:21,931 --> 00:47:23,632
- an interesting, good person.
- 943
- 00:47:23,665 --> 00:47:25,834
- [instrumental music]
- 944
- 00:47:29,605 --> 00:47:31,707
- (Iggy) And we went and
- played that material
- 945
- 00:47:31,740 --> 00:47:34,343
- at the World's Fair Pavilion...
- 946
- 00:47:34,376 --> 00:47:37,313
- ...in Queens, near where
- the Ramones grew up...
- 947
- 00:47:37,346 --> 00:47:39,882
- ...as, as an opening act to Joe Cocker.
- 948
- 00:47:39,916 --> 00:47:42,251
- Well, you know,
- Joe Cocker's singing, uh..
- 949
- 00:47:42,284 --> 00:47:46,522
- * You are so beautiful.. *
- 950
- 00:47:46,555 --> 00:47:48,257
- And everybody's...
- 951
- 00:47:48,290 --> 00:47:52,828
- ...going nuts. You know,
- this is it, and then we're like..
- 952
- 00:47:52,861 --> 00:47:55,097
- [humming]
- 953
- 00:47:58,800 --> 00:48:00,669
- And just..
- 954
- 00:48:00,702 --> 00:48:03,172
- [crowd cheering]
- 955
- 00:48:03,205 --> 00:48:05,407
- In the 50's...
- 956
- 00:48:05,441 --> 00:48:08,710
- ...they figured out how to suck
- the life out of rock and roll
- 957
- 00:48:08,744 --> 00:48:12,081
- on the one hand they replace
- Elvis with Fabian
- 958
- 00:48:12,114 --> 00:48:14,183
- and then also at the same time
- 959
- 00:48:14,216 --> 00:48:16,718
- we'll run out Perry Como on 'em.
- 960
- 00:48:16,752 --> 00:48:19,688
- This was happening again.
- 961
- 00:48:19,721 --> 00:48:22,424
- Rock and roll at the time
- was being co-opted
- 962
- 00:48:22,458 --> 00:48:27,229
- by a political-industrial
- complex of corrupt performers
- 963
- 00:48:27,263 --> 00:48:31,533
- and evil manager-owners,
- who were going to create
- 964
- 00:48:31,567 --> 00:48:35,271
- whatever they thought
- was the best product for them.
- 965
- 00:48:35,304 --> 00:48:37,273
- Whether you want it or not
- 966
- 00:48:37,306 --> 00:48:39,808
- we're gonna shove this down
- your little throats.
- 967
- 00:48:39,841 --> 00:48:44,313
- They rejected their own
- country and their own people.
- 968
- 00:48:44,346 --> 00:48:46,582
- It's a, it's cultural treason.
- 969
- 00:48:48,417 --> 00:48:51,220
- There was more "American Idol."
- 970
- 00:48:51,253 --> 00:48:54,656
- More of the corny talent show
- 971
- 00:48:54,690 --> 00:48:58,227
- suggested to the American
- audience at that time than, uh
- 972
- 00:48:58,260 --> 00:48:59,761
- than people like to admit.
- 973
- 00:48:59,795 --> 00:49:02,464
- It was all, you know..
- 974
- 00:49:02,498 --> 00:49:04,600
- [humming]
- 975
- 00:49:04,633 --> 00:49:07,236
- * Marrakesh Express *
- 976
- 00:49:07,269 --> 00:49:09,071
- * Wouldn't you know we're riding *
- 977
- 00:49:09,105 --> 00:49:12,308
- * On the Marrakesh Express.. *
- 978
- 00:49:12,341 --> 00:49:14,610
- I mean, somebody needs to say, you know
- 979
- 00:49:14,643 --> 00:49:18,280
- some of the biggest
- peace-love acts
- 980
- 00:49:18,314 --> 00:49:20,649
- of the California, uh
- 981
- 00:49:20,682 --> 00:49:24,120
- five years of love, umm...
- 982
- 00:49:24,153 --> 00:49:28,957
- ...were created in m-meetings.
- 983
- 00:49:30,059 --> 00:49:33,029
- And stuff... smells.
- 984
- 00:49:34,663 --> 00:49:36,665
- I say it s-still smells.
- 985
- 00:49:36,698 --> 00:49:39,635
- [instrumental music]
- 986
- 00:49:43,139 --> 00:49:45,307
- [man screaming]
- 987
- 00:49:49,878 --> 00:49:52,148
- [screaming continues]
- 988
- 00:50:01,157 --> 00:50:03,259
- [music continues]
- 989
- 00:50:12,834 --> 00:50:14,203
- We crossed the Mississippi
- 990
- 00:50:14,236 --> 00:50:17,139
- for the first time in, uh, 1970
- 991
- 00:50:17,173 --> 00:50:18,807
- to record Fun House and
- 992
- 00:50:18,840 --> 00:50:20,476
- every day, around noon
- 993
- 00:50:20,509 --> 00:50:25,081
- we would all go into the studio
- and, uh, record for the day.
- 994
- 00:50:25,114 --> 00:50:27,049
- Each day was always, it was
- 995
- 00:50:27,083 --> 00:50:29,818
- this is the day of loose
- 996
- 00:50:29,851 --> 00:50:31,987
- and that's all we
- were gonna do that day.
- 997
- 00:50:32,020 --> 00:50:33,489
- And there was the day of
- 998
- 00:50:33,522 --> 00:50:35,391
- down on the street,
- et cetera, et cetera.
- 999
- 00:50:35,424 --> 00:50:37,659
- And then a couple of days mixing.
- 1000
- 00:50:37,693 --> 00:50:39,728
- It was under two weeks.
- 1001
- 00:50:39,761 --> 00:50:42,498
- We were experimenting
- after "The Stooges"
- 1002
- 00:50:42,531 --> 00:50:46,602
- with more aggressive music,
- with more space
- 1003
- 00:50:46,635 --> 00:50:50,539
- a la Bitches Brew by Miles Davis
- 1004
- 00:50:50,572 --> 00:50:52,541
- we hoped...
- 1005
- 00:50:52,574 --> 00:50:55,111
- ...and everything that
- James Brown was doing
- 1006
- 00:50:55,144 --> 00:50:57,746
- with Fred Wesley and Maceo Parker.
- 1007
- 00:50:57,779 --> 00:51:02,351
- And I saw Steve playing with
- his band "The Carnal Kitchen."
- 1008
- 00:51:02,384 --> 00:51:05,887
- Oh, my God, this guy
- can really blow a horn.
- 1009
- 00:51:05,921 --> 00:51:09,091
- He had "1970" and "Fun House"
- already written
- 1010
- 00:51:09,125 --> 00:51:10,526
- just waiting for me.
- 1011
- 00:51:10,559 --> 00:51:14,563
- And we got to "Fun House" and he said
- 1012
- 00:51:14,596 --> 00:51:16,965
- "Play like Maceo Parker
- on acid."
- 1013
- 00:51:16,998 --> 00:51:19,468
- [saxophone music]
- 1014
- 00:51:22,838 --> 00:51:25,774
- (Iggy) And we did some
- interesting things with space.
- 1015
- 00:51:25,807 --> 00:51:30,112
- Things like, uh, very minimal...
- 1016
- 00:51:30,146 --> 00:51:31,747
- ...drum, uh
- 1017
- 00:51:31,780 --> 00:51:33,649
- four-four drum beats
- 1018
- 00:51:33,682 --> 00:51:37,119
- but with, uh, syncopations on the top.
- 1019
- 00:51:37,153 --> 00:51:40,289
- [instrumental music]
- 1020
- 00:51:45,961 --> 00:51:48,797
- And double tracking leads sometimes
- 1021
- 00:51:48,830 --> 00:51:50,299
- but with no rhythm guitar.
- 1022
- 00:51:50,332 --> 00:51:52,634
- That's not usually done in rock and roll
- 1023
- 00:51:52,668 --> 00:51:55,771
- it's not very.. It's supposed
- to be very commercial.
- 1024
- 00:52:04,780 --> 00:52:08,350
- Elektra studio was just marvelous.
- 1025
- 00:52:08,384 --> 00:52:11,787
- It was just one room,
- there were no choices.
- 1026
- 00:52:11,820 --> 00:52:13,789
- It was intimate, but big enough
- 1027
- 00:52:13,822 --> 00:52:15,924
- that you could
- spread things a little bit.
- 1028
- 00:52:15,957 --> 00:52:18,260
- It had a, it had a nice throw rug.
- 1029
- 00:52:18,294 --> 00:52:21,463
- I was using my own PA stack in there.
- 1030
- 00:52:21,497 --> 00:52:24,700
- I didn't want
- the studio-made sound
- 1031
- 00:52:24,733 --> 00:52:26,935
- that the vocals had on the first album.
- 1032
- 00:52:26,968 --> 00:52:29,505
- - Would you like a music stand?
- - Say what?
- 1033
- 00:52:29,538 --> 00:52:31,973
- - Would you like a music stand?
- - No, that's okay.
- 1034
- 00:52:32,007 --> 00:52:33,542
- Ron says he needs the bass up again.
- 1035
- 00:52:33,575 --> 00:52:35,211
- (Ron)
- He-he turned it up.
- 1036
- 00:52:35,244 --> 00:52:37,879
- (Don) We got the red lights,
- anytime you're ready.
- 1037
- 00:52:37,913 --> 00:52:39,181
- [Iggy laughing]
- 1038
- 00:52:40,582 --> 00:52:43,885
- (Iggy) We were housed
- in the Tropicana Motel.
- 1039
- 00:52:43,919 --> 00:52:48,023
- And Warhol had the d-door
- to his room ajar one day
- 1040
- 00:52:48,056 --> 00:52:49,791
- I went in to say hi.
- 1041
- 00:52:49,825 --> 00:52:53,161
- He suggested, he said,
- "Why don't you do some songs..
- 1042
- 00:52:53,195 --> 00:52:56,332
- "Just sing the newspaper.
- 1043
- 00:52:56,365 --> 00:52:59,668
- Just sing what it says
- in the newspaper."
- 1044
- 00:52:59,701 --> 00:53:02,137
- I haven't gotten around to it yet but
- 1045
- 00:53:02,170 --> 00:53:04,540
- that was his, that was his idea.
- 1046
- 00:53:04,573 --> 00:53:07,543
- While we stayed there,
- the suite next to mine
- 1047
- 00:53:07,576 --> 00:53:10,145
- it was occupied by Ed Sanders
- 1048
- 00:53:10,178 --> 00:53:12,981
- who was writing "The Family."
- 1049
- 00:53:13,014 --> 00:53:17,586
- I was, int.. Always interested
- in new looks, too.
- 1050
- 00:53:17,619 --> 00:53:19,521
- There was a pet store catered to dogs
- 1051
- 00:53:19,555 --> 00:53:21,490
- called The Bowser Boutique
- 1052
- 00:53:21,523 --> 00:53:24,326
- down the street on Santa Monica
- and I walked by one day...
- 1053
- 00:53:24,360 --> 00:53:27,763
- And I saw this
- red dog collar and I thought..
- 1054
- 00:53:27,796 --> 00:53:31,533
- "I would look so cool if
- I had that dog collar," right?
- 1055
- 00:53:31,567 --> 00:53:33,001
- So I bought the dog collar
- 1056
- 00:53:33,034 --> 00:53:35,271
- and I started wearing it every day
- 1057
- 00:53:35,304 --> 00:53:37,339
- to go to the studio,
- and Ed Sanders would
- 1058
- 00:53:37,373 --> 00:53:39,074
- look at me and he'd say..
- 1059
- 00:53:39,107 --> 00:53:41,343
- "You don't know
- what that means, do you?"
- 1060
- 00:53:41,377 --> 00:53:44,680
- You know, I still, I-I still
- don't know what it means!
- 1061
- 00:53:44,713 --> 00:53:46,915
- - You know, but he was like..
- - It was cool.
- 1062
- 00:53:46,948 --> 00:53:48,717
- (Iggy)
- One day, I was out for a walk
- 1063
- 00:53:48,750 --> 00:53:51,019
- and I was walking
- in the opposite direction
- 1064
- 00:53:51,052 --> 00:53:52,521
- from the Tropicana.
- 1065
- 00:53:52,554 --> 00:53:54,523
- It was on, uh, Santa Monica
- 1066
- 00:53:54,556 --> 00:53:56,692
- I think it was the corner of Westmont
- 1067
- 00:53:56,725 --> 00:54:01,697
- and a black caddy came tearing
- assin' down, down the hill..
- 1068
- 00:54:01,730 --> 00:54:03,299
- He had to slam on the brakes
- 1069
- 00:54:03,332 --> 00:54:06,201
- because I was
- stepping off the curb. I..
- 1070
- 00:54:06,234 --> 00:54:10,238
- He looked at me and he says,
- I was sure it was John Wayne.
- 1071
- 00:54:10,272 --> 00:54:12,441
- "Goddamn it!"
- 1072
- 00:54:12,474 --> 00:54:14,910
- I haven't lost my temper in 40 years
- 1073
- 00:54:14,943 --> 00:54:17,379
- but, Pilgrim, you caused
- a lot of trouble this morning
- 1074
- 00:54:17,413 --> 00:54:18,780
- mighta got somebody killed.
- 1075
- 00:54:18,814 --> 00:54:20,215
- (Iggy)
- And then he swerved
- 1076
- 00:54:20,248 --> 00:54:22,083
- he swerved around me
- 1077
- 00:54:22,117 --> 00:54:24,152
- and sped off in the
- 1078
- 00:54:24,185 --> 00:54:27,289
- general direction of Dan Tana's.
- 1079
- 00:54:27,323 --> 00:54:30,091
- (Mondo) And here's the world-famous
- Whisky A Go-Go on the strip.
- 1080
- 00:54:30,125 --> 00:54:32,461
- A favorite dancing spot
- for both the mods and
- 1081
- 00:54:32,494 --> 00:54:34,630
- movie stars who want to get it on.
- 1082
- 00:54:34,663 --> 00:54:36,465
- Let's drop in and see
- what's happening tonight.
- 1083
- 00:54:36,498 --> 00:54:38,667
- [instrumental music]
- 1084
- 00:54:40,101 --> 00:54:42,804
- (Iggy)
- It was really a California experience
- 1085
- 00:54:42,838 --> 00:54:46,308
- and then to pay for it,
- we were bidden to do two
- 1086
- 00:54:46,342 --> 00:54:48,410
- two nights at the Whiskey.
- 1087
- 00:54:48,444 --> 00:54:50,145
- And the Whiskey a Go-Go in LA
- 1088
- 00:54:50,178 --> 00:54:53,114
- and two nights in San Francisco
- at the Fillmore.
- 1089
- 00:54:53,148 --> 00:54:55,351
- (Scott)
- Which freaked everybody out.
- 1090
- 00:54:55,384 --> 00:54:57,252
- Every time, every place we played...
- 1091
- 00:54:57,285 --> 00:54:59,087
- (Iggy) Nobody had ever
- seen anything like
- 1092
- 00:54:59,120 --> 00:55:01,457
- what we did, you know..
- 1093
- 00:55:01,490 --> 00:55:06,728
- * I took a record of pretty music *
- 1094
- 00:55:08,864 --> 00:55:13,268
- * Now I'm putting it to you
- straight from hell *
- 1095
- 00:55:13,301 --> 00:55:14,870
- Upon our return to the Midwest
- 1096
- 00:55:14,903 --> 00:55:18,607
- we were playing larger festivals...
- 1097
- 00:55:18,640 --> 00:55:20,942
- ...larger events and we were getting
- 1098
- 00:55:20,976 --> 00:55:26,114
- pretty good life
- because the stuff on Fun House
- 1099
- 00:55:26,147 --> 00:55:29,851
- was pretty damn rocking live.
- 1100
- 00:55:29,885 --> 00:55:35,323
- * I feel fine to be dancin', baby *
- 1101
- 00:55:36,992 --> 00:55:42,398
- * I feel fine I'm a shakin' leaf *
- 1102
- 00:55:44,032 --> 00:55:47,135
- * I feel fine to be dancin', baby **
- 1103
- 00:55:47,168 --> 00:55:50,639
- (Iggy) Festivals that, that
- became bigger and where we..
- 1104
- 00:55:50,672 --> 00:55:53,475
- Where we were stating to get more notice
- 1105
- 00:55:53,509 --> 00:55:57,245
- happened in the summer of '70
- 1106
- 00:55:57,278 --> 00:55:59,381
- after we completed Fun House
- 1107
- 00:55:59,415 --> 00:56:01,149
- and, uh, and we would generally go out
- 1108
- 00:56:01,182 --> 00:56:04,820
- and a-a-as people often do,
- play that whole work
- 1109
- 00:56:04,853 --> 00:56:09,558
- and we were pretty much ignoring
- the stuff from the first album.
- 1110
- 00:56:09,591 --> 00:56:12,260
- And, uh, I remembered
- 1111
- 00:56:12,293 --> 00:56:15,096
- I read a q-quote
- from Johnny Ramone once
- 1112
- 00:56:15,130 --> 00:56:18,834
- he went to see us and apparently
- there were too many new songs
- 1113
- 00:56:18,867 --> 00:56:21,369
- that he didn't know
- and he was disgusted.
- 1114
- 00:56:21,403 --> 00:56:24,105
- [rock music]
- 1115
- 00:56:24,139 --> 00:56:26,508
- (male #1) Since we broke
- away for our message
- 1116
- 00:56:26,542 --> 00:56:28,276
- Iggy has been in the crowd
- 1117
- 00:56:28,309 --> 00:56:31,513
- and out again three different times.
- 1118
- 00:56:31,547 --> 00:56:34,916
- They seem to be enjoying it
- and so does he.
- 1119
- 00:56:44,225 --> 00:56:49,465
- (Iggy) The group was always very aware
- 1120
- 00:56:49,498 --> 00:56:52,367
- of the theatrics of the moment.
- 1121
- 00:56:52,400 --> 00:56:54,736
- And they never moved, ever.
- 1122
- 00:56:54,770 --> 00:56:59,040
- In 40 minutes, the drummer
- would never look up
- 1123
- 00:56:59,074 --> 00:57:03,645
- and, uh, the other two
- might move a foot or two.
- 1124
- 00:57:03,679 --> 00:57:05,747
- (James)
- We never knew what would happen
- 1125
- 00:57:05,781 --> 00:57:08,049
- and so, in the old days, you know
- 1126
- 00:57:08,083 --> 00:57:10,652
- we just literally, I mean, it could be
- 1127
- 00:57:10,686 --> 00:57:12,153
- we'd be out there, you know..
- 1128
- 00:57:12,187 --> 00:57:14,289
- [guitar music]
- 1129
- 00:57:14,322 --> 00:57:15,824
- You know, and there's no vocals.
- 1130
- 00:57:15,857 --> 00:57:17,659
- You know, the guy's out in the crowd.
- 1131
- 00:57:17,693 --> 00:57:19,828
- He's down on the floor
- somewhere, you know
- 1132
- 00:57:19,861 --> 00:57:21,630
- there's no vocal, so we're still going..
- 1133
- 00:57:21,663 --> 00:57:23,264
- [guitar music]
- 1134
- 00:57:23,298 --> 00:57:26,067
- So until he starts singing,
- we don't do anything.
- 1135
- 00:57:26,101 --> 00:57:29,605
- And, uh, and then, you know
- eventually he'll climb back up
- 1136
- 00:57:29,638 --> 00:57:31,740
- and start singing and that's, you know
- 1137
- 00:57:31,773 --> 00:57:33,675
- it's all about,
- you know, working together
- 1138
- 00:57:33,709 --> 00:57:35,176
- to, to make a show.
- 1139
- 00:57:35,210 --> 00:57:37,245
- (Mike) You know, the way he works a gig
- 1140
- 00:57:37,278 --> 00:57:41,116
- it reminds you that life,
- big time, is in the moment.
- 1141
- 00:57:41,149 --> 00:57:42,751
- M-maybe most of it.
- 1142
- 00:57:42,784 --> 00:57:45,487
- But the moment is really intense about
- 1143
- 00:57:45,521 --> 00:57:46,855
- what's going down because
- 1144
- 00:57:46,888 --> 00:57:48,790
- you know, "I feel like
- a short-order cook.
- 1145
- 00:57:48,824 --> 00:57:50,959
- "I gotta get everybody's order.
- 1146
- 00:57:50,992 --> 00:57:52,961
- You want fries?
- You want a shake?"
- 1147
- 00:57:52,994 --> 00:57:54,763
- You know, he's going out, in his mind
- 1148
- 00:57:54,796 --> 00:57:56,732
- he says, he's going to the crowd.
- 1149
- 00:57:59,501 --> 00:58:03,138
- (Iggy) It was important to make contact
- 1150
- 00:58:03,171 --> 00:58:05,941
- I felt at every show.
- 1151
- 00:58:05,974 --> 00:58:08,777
- And we were opening for
- "The Mothers of Invention"
- 1152
- 00:58:08,810 --> 00:58:11,379
- that was the best group,
- in my estimation
- 1153
- 00:58:11,412 --> 00:58:13,281
- that we'd ever opened for.
- 1154
- 00:58:13,314 --> 00:58:16,217
- So, near the end of our set
- 1155
- 00:58:16,251 --> 00:58:20,288
- I was not sure we'd really
- reached across.
- 1156
- 00:58:20,321 --> 00:58:24,059
- And there were
- a couple of girls, big ones.
- 1157
- 00:58:24,092 --> 00:58:26,628
- They'd moved up
- right in front of the stage
- 1158
- 00:58:26,662 --> 00:58:29,064
- and they just were laying there
- on their backs
- 1159
- 00:58:29,097 --> 00:58:31,667
- making themselves
- very comfortable, relaxing.
- 1160
- 00:58:31,700 --> 00:58:33,635
- And I got to the edge of the stage
- 1161
- 00:58:33,669 --> 00:58:36,037
- and I did what I'd seen little kids do
- 1162
- 00:58:36,071 --> 00:58:38,874
- sometimes when they want
- attention from their parents.
- 1163
- 00:58:38,907 --> 00:58:42,811
- I thought, I'm just gonna fall forward
- 1164
- 00:58:42,844 --> 00:58:45,914
- they'll catch me, and, uh
- 1165
- 00:58:45,947 --> 00:58:47,883
- they moved. I..
- 1166
- 00:58:47,916 --> 00:58:51,653
- My, uh, my front teeth
- which I've since had repaired
- 1167
- 00:58:51,687 --> 00:58:53,755
- went straight through one of my lips.
- 1168
- 00:58:53,789 --> 00:58:57,593
- Sometimes it was eventful,
- sometimes it was, listen..
- 1169
- 00:58:57,626 --> 00:59:01,663
- I-I-I was a guy,
- very young, in a rock band
- 1170
- 00:59:01,697 --> 00:59:03,832
- and having beautiful summers
- in the Midwest.
- 1171
- 00:59:03,865 --> 00:59:06,835
- So, so-sometimes I'd just
- go down there, and, you know
- 1172
- 00:59:06,868 --> 00:59:09,705
- see some chick and go,
- "Hey, what's your number?"
- 1173
- 00:59:09,738 --> 00:59:12,240
- You will come to me
- whenever I call you...
- 1174
- 00:59:13,742 --> 00:59:16,578
- ...and I will enjoy that very much.
- 1175
- 00:59:16,612 --> 00:59:18,747
- (Iggy)
- I had seen a lot of pictures
- 1176
- 00:59:18,780 --> 00:59:21,750
- of the, the Pharaohs and, um
- 1177
- 00:59:21,783 --> 00:59:23,619
- and some of their
- a-atttendants.
- 1178
- 00:59:23,652 --> 00:59:27,222
- Egyptian iconography
- I guess you'd call it.
- 1179
- 00:59:27,255 --> 00:59:29,591
- And it impressed me that the Pharaohs
- 1180
- 00:59:29,625 --> 00:59:31,526
- seldom wore shirts.
- 1181
- 00:59:31,559 --> 00:59:33,028
- Here in a minute
- 1182
- 00:59:33,061 --> 00:59:35,530
- end of all these announcements
- we're gonna...
- 1183
- 00:59:35,563 --> 00:59:37,432
- ...we're gonna have a big ceremony
- 1184
- 00:59:37,465 --> 00:59:39,067
- and we're gonna plant the seeds
- 1185
- 00:59:39,100 --> 00:59:42,270
- and then we're gonna
- light the joint and celebrate.
- 1186
- 00:59:42,303 --> 00:59:44,840
- [instrumental music]
- 1187
- 00:59:47,676 --> 00:59:50,311
- * Hey hey mama tell you now *
- 1188
- 00:59:50,345 --> 00:59:52,247
- * I was gonna die.. *
- 1189
- 00:59:55,416 --> 00:59:57,886
- That particular festival
- 1190
- 00:59:57,919 --> 00:59:59,554
- came along at a time
- 1191
- 00:59:59,587 --> 01:00:01,556
- when all the different
- free-love
- 1192
- 01:00:01,589 --> 01:00:05,393
- free-wheeling, free-roaming
- social groups in Detroit
- 1193
- 01:00:05,426 --> 01:00:08,096
- were all starting to sizzle up
- 1194
- 01:00:08,129 --> 01:00:10,231
- in the frying pan of drugs.
- 1195
- 01:00:10,265 --> 01:00:12,233
- We all got so stoned.
- 1196
- 01:00:12,267 --> 01:00:15,170
- [indistinct chatter]
- 1197
- 01:00:16,504 --> 01:00:21,009
- I was in a tent with some wild people
- 1198
- 01:00:21,042 --> 01:00:24,412
- and I took so much of
- 1199
- 01:00:24,445 --> 01:00:26,114
- what I thought was coke
- 1200
- 01:00:26,147 --> 01:00:29,751
- before the thing that I had amnesia
- 1201
- 01:00:29,785 --> 01:00:31,853
- accompanied by
- 1202
- 01:00:31,887 --> 01:00:34,756
- a vertical malfunction with my vision.
- 1203
- 01:00:34,790 --> 01:00:36,992
- Like the sort of thing
- that used to happen
- 1204
- 01:00:37,025 --> 01:00:39,795
- with televisions of that era
- when the picture
- 1205
- 01:00:39,828 --> 01:00:41,863
- would keep flipping over and over.
- 1206
- 01:00:41,897 --> 01:00:43,498
- Couldn't remember who I was
- 1207
- 01:00:43,531 --> 01:00:46,034
- and then finally I remembered
- there was something
- 1208
- 01:00:46,067 --> 01:00:47,635
- I had to do.
- 1209
- 01:00:49,470 --> 01:00:52,373
- [rock music]
- 1210
- 01:01:08,990 --> 01:01:12,694
- * Out of my mind on Saturday night *
- 1211
- 01:01:12,728 --> 01:01:16,631
- * 1970 rollin' in sight *
- 1212
- 01:01:16,664 --> 01:01:19,634
- Dave, he just went
- all the way out that night.
- 1213
- 01:01:19,667 --> 01:01:23,038
- (Scott) He got extremely
- drunk before the show
- 1214
- 01:01:23,071 --> 01:01:24,672
- and he couldn't play the songs.
- 1215
- 01:01:24,706 --> 01:01:26,307
- One of the road crew went out
- 1216
- 01:01:26,341 --> 01:01:28,476
- and turned his volume
- all the way off on his amp
- 1217
- 01:01:28,509 --> 01:01:30,746
- and he kept playing
- he didn't even realize
- 1218
- 01:01:30,779 --> 01:01:32,748
- that his amp wasn't on.
- 1219
- 01:01:32,781 --> 01:01:34,249
- (Iggy)
- We had a good billing
- 1220
- 01:01:34,282 --> 01:01:37,052
- Danny had brought important people
- 1221
- 01:01:37,085 --> 01:01:39,354
- from New York to see us.
- 1222
- 01:01:39,387 --> 01:01:43,224
- We were on the same bill with,
- uh, Rod Stewart and the "Faces"
- 1223
- 01:01:43,258 --> 01:01:45,426
- we wanted to do well, we got out there
- 1224
- 01:01:45,460 --> 01:01:46,862
- there's no bass.
- 1225
- 01:01:46,895 --> 01:01:49,697
- So, I was extra aggressive.
- 1226
- 01:01:49,731 --> 01:01:52,400
- I did try to get to the fence.
- 1227
- 01:01:54,702 --> 01:01:57,005
- Um, I was prevented.
- 1228
- 01:01:57,038 --> 01:02:00,008
- There was an actual trench dug
- 1229
- 01:02:00,041 --> 01:02:02,110
- and there were horse police.
- 1230
- 01:02:03,378 --> 01:02:06,047
- And so I started calling, "Come on!
- 1231
- 01:02:06,081 --> 01:02:07,849
- [chuckles]
- Tear that fence."
- 1232
- 01:02:07,883 --> 01:02:10,585
- I think I mentioned
- "Tear the fence down."
- 1233
- 01:02:10,618 --> 01:02:12,453
- [indistinct chatters]
- 1234
- 01:02:12,487 --> 01:02:15,390
- (male #3)
- Lead Stooge is freaked out.
- 1235
- 01:02:15,423 --> 01:02:17,926
- (Iggy) I think the fence
- took a couple of hits.
- 1236
- 01:02:17,959 --> 01:02:19,861
- (male #3)
- He jumped over the fence
- 1237
- 01:02:19,895 --> 01:02:22,463
- and we've lost power on the amp.
- 1238
- 01:02:22,497 --> 01:02:25,100
- (Iggy) I don't remember being arrested.
- 1239
- 01:02:25,133 --> 01:02:28,436
- I remember just sitting
- after the gig, really like
- 1240
- 01:02:28,469 --> 01:02:31,139
- still whacked out,
- and watching Ronnie Wood
- 1241
- 01:02:31,172 --> 01:02:33,909
- and Rod Stewart drinking Mateus
- 1242
- 01:02:33,942 --> 01:02:36,111
- to get ready for their show.
- 1243
- 01:02:36,144 --> 01:02:38,780
- That was their, uh,
- intoxicant of choice.
- 1244
- 01:02:38,814 --> 01:02:41,950
- [rock music]
- 1245
- 01:02:48,423 --> 01:02:52,460
- (Scott)
- Iggy fired him, but not really
- 1246
- 01:02:52,493 --> 01:02:55,931
- cause Dave wanted to be let go.
- 1247
- 01:02:55,964 --> 01:02:59,334
- Yeah, I felt bad but, um...
- 1248
- 01:02:59,367 --> 01:03:02,403
- ...I also felt there's no sense
- in having someone in the band
- 1249
- 01:03:02,437 --> 01:03:06,441
- that's not serious, who doesn't
- really want to be in the band.
- 1250
- 01:03:07,843 --> 01:03:10,378
- We remained friends after.
- 1251
- 01:03:11,712 --> 01:03:13,114
- * Damn *
- 1252
- 01:03:15,516 --> 01:03:16,885
- [vocalizing]
- 1253
- 01:03:18,453 --> 01:03:21,789
- His parents called me up,
- said he was in the hospital.
- 1254
- 01:03:21,823 --> 01:03:25,493
- What it was was an inflamed pancreas
- 1255
- 01:03:26,794 --> 01:03:29,197
- which he could have survived
- 1256
- 01:03:29,230 --> 01:03:31,799
- but they had an IV in him...
- 1257
- 01:03:33,301 --> 01:03:36,104
- ...and he wanted it out,
- and he wanted to go home
- 1258
- 01:03:36,137 --> 01:03:37,839
- and he wanted a beer.
- 1259
- 01:03:39,307 --> 01:03:41,977
- So they sedated him to a point
- 1260
- 01:03:42,010 --> 01:03:44,112
- to where he was unconscious
- 1261
- 01:03:44,145 --> 01:03:47,548
- and when he was unconscious,
- he got pneumonia
- 1262
- 01:03:47,582 --> 01:03:49,817
- and the pneumonia killed him.
- 1263
- 01:03:53,654 --> 01:03:55,556
- He'd recorded two albums
- 1264
- 01:03:55,590 --> 01:03:59,560
- he, um, became to be in a
- 1265
- 01:03:59,594 --> 01:04:02,630
- famous rock and roll band.
- 1266
- 01:04:02,663 --> 01:04:07,135
- He had accomplished
- what he wanted to do.
- 1267
- 01:04:07,168 --> 01:04:09,004
- He was ready to go.
- 1268
- 01:04:09,037 --> 01:04:11,706
- * ...do you feel it? *
- 1269
- 01:04:11,739 --> 01:04:16,544
- * Said do you feel it
- when you touch me? *
- 1270
- 01:04:18,679 --> 01:04:23,384
- * And do you feel it
- when you touch me? *
- 1271
- 01:04:24,852 --> 01:04:26,854
- * There's a fire *
- 1272
- 01:04:28,189 --> 01:04:30,558
- * There's a fire *
- 1273
- 01:04:34,029 --> 01:04:40,301
- * Oh it's just a dreaming *
- 1274
- 01:04:41,402 --> 01:04:47,542
- * I just wanna be dreaming *
- 1275
- 01:04:51,146 --> 01:04:53,614
- (Iggy)
- I'd been using psychedelics.
- 1276
- 01:04:55,550 --> 01:04:56,851
- [yelping]
- 1277
- 01:04:56,884 --> 01:04:59,587
- They were probably
- cut with a lot of speed.
- 1278
- 01:04:59,620 --> 01:05:01,889
- [screams]
- 1279
- 01:05:01,923 --> 01:05:05,226
- God, no! No! No! No!
- 1280
- 01:05:05,260 --> 01:05:07,762
- I began to have problems
- controlling my nerves.
- 1281
- 01:05:07,795 --> 01:05:09,864
- Get me out of this terrible place!
- 1282
- 01:05:09,897 --> 01:05:12,267
- (Iggy) That was about
- the time that one guy
- 1283
- 01:05:12,300 --> 01:05:15,036
- who lived in our house,
- a guy named John Adams
- 1284
- 01:05:15,070 --> 01:05:17,872
- didn't have much to do in his life..
- 1285
- 01:05:17,905 --> 01:05:19,975
- Here. Lookey here.
- 1286
- 01:05:20,008 --> 01:05:22,210
- (Iggy)
- Decided he wanted to take up
- 1287
- 01:05:22,243 --> 01:05:24,379
- an old heroin addiction.
- 1288
- 01:05:24,412 --> 01:05:26,914
- - What's H?
- - Shh! Not so loud.
- 1289
- 01:05:26,948 --> 01:05:30,418
- And uh... I fell into that.
- 1290
- 01:05:33,021 --> 01:05:35,490
- As did other members of the group.
- 1291
- 01:05:37,492 --> 01:05:39,560
- Everything just decayed.
- 1292
- 01:05:39,594 --> 01:05:40,761
- And to see those guys
- 1293
- 01:05:40,795 --> 01:05:43,164
- just to see everyone hit rock bottom
- 1294
- 01:05:43,198 --> 01:05:44,599
- to see your whole world crumble
- 1295
- 01:05:44,632 --> 01:05:46,601
- when it's not really your fault.
- 1296
- 01:05:46,634 --> 01:05:49,404
- And I never did it, and never wanted to.
- 1297
- 01:05:49,437 --> 01:05:52,740
- Aside from us just being
- flat out unreliable
- 1298
- 01:05:52,773 --> 01:05:55,443
- uh, we, we had Scotty Asheton
- 1299
- 01:05:55,476 --> 01:05:57,678
- was driving the equipment truck one day.
- 1300
- 01:05:57,712 --> 01:06:00,815
- It's like a-a bridge
- with whatever, ten feet or
- 1301
- 01:06:00,848 --> 01:06:05,286
- eleven feet clearance, and
- truck's twelve feet, you know?
- 1302
- 01:06:05,320 --> 01:06:09,157
- (Danny) That's the metaphor of
- the early Stooges, that's it.
- 1303
- 01:06:09,190 --> 01:06:10,691
- The van's destroyed
- 1304
- 01:06:10,725 --> 01:06:14,195
- the instruments that
- they rented are destroyed.
- 1305
- 01:06:14,229 --> 01:06:15,863
- The bridge is destroyed.
- 1306
- 01:06:15,896 --> 01:06:19,034
- [rock music]
- 1307
- 01:06:23,838 --> 01:06:26,641
- They were victims of their own, um...
- 1308
- 01:06:28,143 --> 01:06:30,645
- ...lack of professionalism.
- 1309
- 01:06:30,678 --> 01:06:35,216
- * Down on the street
- where the faces shine *
- 1310
- 01:06:35,250 --> 01:06:38,386
- But they were also
- the victims of other forces
- 1311
- 01:06:38,419 --> 01:06:41,722
- that we could call anti-art.
- 1312
- 01:06:41,756 --> 01:06:44,725
- [music continues]
- 1313
- 01:06:44,759 --> 01:06:47,628
- "The Stooges" record Fun House
- 1314
- 01:06:47,662 --> 01:06:50,531
- so we're at the point
- where Elektra has to decide
- 1315
- 01:06:50,565 --> 01:06:55,136
- whether or not to pick up
- the option for a third album.
- 1316
- 01:06:55,170 --> 01:06:58,473
- William S. Harvey and I
- went out to Ann Arbor
- 1317
- 01:06:58,506 --> 01:07:00,808
- went to Stooge Hall, and they played
- 1318
- 01:07:00,841 --> 01:07:02,510
- what were the songs
- 1319
- 01:07:02,543 --> 01:07:04,345
- that were going to be their new songs
- 1320
- 01:07:04,379 --> 01:07:06,414
- and I just thought "Yes.
- 1321
- 01:07:06,447 --> 01:07:08,983
- "The music is what I loved
- 1322
- 01:07:09,016 --> 01:07:11,219
- and there's more of it."
- 1323
- 01:07:11,252 --> 01:07:14,389
- They were accelerating
- from where they started
- 1324
- 01:07:14,422 --> 01:07:17,092
- they were better, but
- that made no difference to him.
- 1325
- 01:07:17,125 --> 01:07:19,427
- And we got into our rental car
- 1326
- 01:07:19,460 --> 01:07:23,331
- went back to the hotel,
- we got in the elevator and..
- 1327
- 01:07:23,364 --> 01:07:26,834
- "So, Bill, what'd you think?"
- 1328
- 01:07:26,867 --> 01:07:29,104
- And he said
- "I didn't hear a thing."
- 1329
- 01:07:29,137 --> 01:07:31,406
- Got out of the elevator,
- the elevator door closed
- 1330
- 01:07:31,439 --> 01:07:34,242
- I called them up, and I said
- "You're being dropped."
- 1331
- 01:07:35,276 --> 01:07:37,712
- "I didn't hear a thing."
- 1332
- 01:07:37,745 --> 01:07:40,014
- That says it all.
- 1333
- 01:07:40,047 --> 01:07:43,151
- [music continues]
- 1334
- 01:08:01,236 --> 01:08:03,738
- They didn't hear a thing from day one.
- 1335
- 01:08:03,771 --> 01:08:06,107
- They had the world's
- greatest band sitting there
- 1336
- 01:08:06,141 --> 01:08:07,875
- they didn't hear a thing.
- 1337
- 01:08:07,908 --> 01:08:11,412
- And that's kind of what the world said.
- 1338
- 01:08:13,481 --> 01:08:16,451
- I don't think they formally
- dropped me, but they said
- 1339
- 01:08:16,484 --> 01:08:21,289
- "Look here's a, here's a
- Nikon camera, as a gift.
- 1340
- 01:08:21,322 --> 01:08:23,224
- [chuckles]
- Go away for awhile."
- 1341
- 01:08:23,258 --> 01:08:26,727
- And so I scurried off to clean up
- 1342
- 01:08:26,761 --> 01:08:30,598
- and shut down the band for a while.
- 1343
- 01:08:30,631 --> 01:08:35,570
- My parents were very friendly
- with a pharmacist
- 1344
- 01:08:35,603 --> 01:08:39,174
- who completely illegally,
- without a prescription
- 1345
- 01:08:39,207 --> 01:08:41,976
- ordered, uh, a bottle
- 1346
- 01:08:42,009 --> 01:08:44,912
- of liquid methadone
- 1347
- 01:08:44,945 --> 01:08:47,615
- for my exclusive daily use.
- 1348
- 01:08:47,648 --> 01:08:51,085
- This was a few miles,
- couple of miles from our trailer
- 1349
- 01:08:51,118 --> 01:08:53,087
- on the edge-edge of Ann Arbor.
- 1350
- 01:08:53,120 --> 01:08:55,256
- And I would usually walk
- 1351
- 01:08:55,290 --> 01:08:57,692
- in the morning over there
- 1352
- 01:08:57,725 --> 01:08:59,960
- to take a small dose
- 1353
- 01:08:59,994 --> 01:09:01,962
- that he would personally give me
- 1354
- 01:09:01,996 --> 01:09:03,764
- from this family pharmacist.
- 1355
- 01:09:03,798 --> 01:09:06,501
- I got to the point,
- I could go a few days
- 1356
- 01:09:07,202 --> 01:09:09,003
- without anything.
- 1357
- 01:09:09,036 --> 01:09:10,505
- [siren blaring]
- 1358
- 01:09:12,340 --> 01:09:17,044
- And that was
- when I... went to New York.
- 1359
- 01:09:17,077 --> 01:09:18,613
- Iggy and I were sitting on my bed
- 1360
- 01:09:18,646 --> 01:09:22,817
- we'd fallen asleep to some
- black and white Western
- 1361
- 01:09:22,850 --> 01:09:25,653
- and Lisa called me and she said
- 1362
- 01:09:25,686 --> 01:09:28,989
- "Oh, is-is Iggy with you?"
- I said, "Oh yeah."
- 1363
- 01:09:29,023 --> 01:09:32,227
- She said "Well, I'm with
- David Bowie, we're at Max's
- 1364
- 01:09:32,260 --> 01:09:33,894
- he really wants to meet Iggy."
- 1365
- 01:09:33,928 --> 01:09:36,964
- I went down there and met this
- 1366
- 01:09:36,997 --> 01:09:40,901
- th-this manager, Tony Defries.
- 1367
- 01:09:40,935 --> 01:09:45,473
- I met David, who was... cool.
- 1368
- 01:09:45,506 --> 01:09:48,643
- They were going back to England,
- I went back to Detroit
- 1369
- 01:09:48,676 --> 01:09:50,811
- and there an, there was an understanding
- 1370
- 01:09:50,845 --> 01:09:53,481
- that at a later date
- 1371
- 01:09:53,514 --> 01:09:57,552
- um, they would arrange,
- uh, for me to go to London
- 1372
- 01:09:57,585 --> 01:09:59,320
- and make some sort of a recording.
- 1373
- 01:09:59,354 --> 01:10:02,457
- [bells chiming]
- 1374
- 01:10:06,761 --> 01:10:11,165
- They had somehow and someway
- signed me to something
- 1375
- 01:10:11,198 --> 01:10:14,602
- and, uh, using that in turn, uh
- 1376
- 01:10:14,635 --> 01:10:19,073
- uh, s-signed a deal
- whereby they got some money
- 1377
- 01:10:19,106 --> 01:10:21,442
- from Columbia for my services.
- 1378
- 01:10:21,476 --> 01:10:25,012
- Like that chick Pebbles
- that signed up TLC
- 1379
- 01:10:25,045 --> 01:10:30,050
- or, uh, Lou Pearlman
- with the boy band "NSYNC."
- 1380
- 01:10:30,084 --> 01:10:31,919
- It was one of those contracts.
- 1381
- 01:10:31,952 --> 01:10:35,356
- It was in-insane work demands
- 1382
- 01:10:35,390 --> 01:10:39,126
- uh, ridiculous splits
- of money. Uh..
- 1383
- 01:10:39,159 --> 01:10:42,229
- I didn't really understand...
- 1384
- 01:10:42,263 --> 01:10:46,601
- ...who owned what, with who I,
- with whom I was signed.
- 1385
- 01:10:46,634 --> 01:10:50,070
- I was in the big bad world now,
- I was not..
- 1386
- 01:10:50,104 --> 01:10:51,872
- I-I-I was not the, uh, uh..
- 1387
- 01:10:51,906 --> 01:10:55,476
- I wasn-I wasn't
- a teenage communist anymore.
- 1388
- 01:10:55,510 --> 01:10:58,279
- This fella, Tony Defries, what I thought
- 1389
- 01:10:58,313 --> 01:11:02,417
- was gonna be an effective,
- and was an effective flamboyant
- 1390
- 01:11:02,450 --> 01:11:04,585
- theatrical management style
- 1391
- 01:11:04,619 --> 01:11:07,054
- based on Colonel Tom Parker
- 1392
- 01:11:07,087 --> 01:11:08,923
- with the big cigar
- 1393
- 01:11:08,956 --> 01:11:12,627
- big Afro hair,
- and a great big mink coat.
- 1394
- 01:11:12,660 --> 01:11:15,396
- But in the interim I decided
- 1395
- 01:11:15,430 --> 01:11:19,233
- I wanted to re-retain
- my Detroit identity
- 1396
- 01:11:19,266 --> 01:11:22,437
- and, uh, told them in advance
- 1397
- 01:11:22,470 --> 01:11:25,673
- "You gotta bring
- James Williamson with me."
- 1398
- 01:11:25,706 --> 01:11:27,975
- [rock music]
- 1399
- 01:11:28,008 --> 01:11:29,510
- * Alright *
- 1400
- 01:11:31,111 --> 01:11:32,947
- * Whoo *
- 1401
- 01:11:35,049 --> 01:11:38,686
- (James) I guess he was trying
- to capture the attitude
- 1402
- 01:11:38,719 --> 01:11:41,656
- that I had, which I did
- have quite a bit of attitude
- 1403
- 01:11:41,689 --> 01:11:44,191
- when I first started, uh, out.
- 1404
- 01:11:44,224 --> 01:11:47,027
- You know, I didn't really
- have any framework for anything
- 1405
- 01:11:47,061 --> 01:11:50,598
- I was, what? You know,
- not even twenty years old yet.
- 1406
- 01:11:50,631 --> 01:11:54,001
- And I, um, I didn't have any skills.
- 1407
- 01:11:54,034 --> 01:11:56,937
- And so, all I could do
- was play the guitar.
- 1408
- 01:11:56,971 --> 01:11:58,939
- I went from living
- 1409
- 01:11:58,973 --> 01:12:01,842
- on my sisters couch
- 1410
- 01:12:01,876 --> 01:12:06,814
- literally, to getting
- a phone call from Ig and saying
- 1411
- 01:12:06,847 --> 01:12:09,717
- "You know, tomorrow,
- we have a plane ticket for you
- 1412
- 01:12:09,750 --> 01:12:12,553
- and you're going to London."
- Right?
- 1413
- 01:12:12,587 --> 01:12:15,490
- And so I-I just, I-I
- 1414
- 01:12:15,523 --> 01:12:18,459
- I got my guitar and I left
- 1415
- 01:12:18,493 --> 01:12:20,795
- and my sister didn't
- even know where I was.
- 1416
- 01:12:20,828 --> 01:12:24,131
- You know, I mean, my girlfriend
- called and-and she goes
- 1417
- 01:12:24,164 --> 01:12:26,734
- "Well, I don't know where
- he is" and-and the girl goes
- 1418
- 01:12:26,767 --> 01:12:28,803
- "Well, is his guitar there?"
- 1419
- 01:12:28,836 --> 01:12:31,005
- And she said, "No" And she goes
- 1420
- 01:12:31,038 --> 01:12:33,007
- "Alright, he's gone."
- 1421
- 01:12:33,040 --> 01:12:36,744
- (Iggy) So James and I got to
- Heathrow, and, uh, you know
- 1422
- 01:12:36,777 --> 01:12:40,881
- and the cops took
- one look at us and thought..
- 1423
- 01:12:40,915 --> 01:12:44,719
- "Undesirable, no money.
- What are you doing?
- 1424
- 01:12:44,752 --> 01:12:46,887
- "What do you mean, you think
- you're not going anywhere.
- 1425
- 01:12:46,921 --> 01:12:49,356
- You're-you're going
- into this holding tank."
- 1426
- 01:12:49,390 --> 01:12:52,226
- And, uh, it took us a while
- to contact Defries
- 1427
- 01:12:52,259 --> 01:12:56,597
- on the phone and he came down
- and signed for us.
- 1428
- 01:12:56,631 --> 01:12:58,999
- I don't think he ever really wanted us.
- 1429
- 01:12:59,033 --> 01:13:01,769
- I think David Bowie was interested
- 1430
- 01:13:01,802 --> 01:13:04,171
- in working with American artists
- 1431
- 01:13:04,204 --> 01:13:05,840
- who he admired at the time.
- 1432
- 01:13:05,873 --> 01:13:09,510
- I also think there was a bit of
- an American invasion planned.
- 1433
- 01:13:09,544 --> 01:13:13,347
- Ultimately, they were hoping
- to probably have us produced
- 1434
- 01:13:13,380 --> 01:13:18,118
- by David Bowie who had
- a parallel career in production
- 1435
- 01:13:18,152 --> 01:13:21,856
- and he was producing Lou Reed's
- album around the same time.
- 1436
- 01:13:21,889 --> 01:13:23,758
- It wasn't what I wanted to do.
- 1437
- 01:13:23,791 --> 01:13:28,062
- I would've been polite
- about the, uh, backup musicians
- 1438
- 01:13:28,095 --> 01:13:31,432
- but the-the names
- bandied about were people
- 1439
- 01:13:31,466 --> 01:13:33,434
- who had already been
- in the "Pink Fairies."
- 1440
- 01:13:33,468 --> 01:13:36,604
- [rock music]
- 1441
- 01:13:38,739 --> 01:13:40,941
- When I investigated the "Pink Fairies"
- 1442
- 01:13:40,975 --> 01:13:43,878
- it sorta looked to me like an amalgam
- 1443
- 01:13:43,911 --> 01:13:46,781
- of the ideas that had
- already been thrashed out
- 1444
- 01:13:46,814 --> 01:13:48,816
- by the "MC5" and Alice Cooper.
- 1445
- 01:13:48,849 --> 01:13:51,385
- It wasn't right for us, I thought.
- 1446
- 01:13:51,418 --> 01:13:55,456
- I talked them into, uh, bringing
- 1447
- 01:13:55,490 --> 01:13:57,391
- two more Stooges
- 1448
- 01:13:57,424 --> 01:13:59,059
- over from America.
- 1449
- 01:13:59,093 --> 01:14:01,996
- [rock music]
- 1450
- 01:14:11,706 --> 01:14:13,641
- * I'm hungry *
- 1451
- 01:14:18,145 --> 01:14:20,180
- * I'm hungry *
- 1452
- 01:14:20,214 --> 01:14:21,616
- We had a vision
- 1453
- 01:14:21,649 --> 01:14:23,250
- and we started rehearsing in earnest
- 1454
- 01:14:23,283 --> 01:14:27,855
- in a filthy basement,
- and, uh, started getting tight.
- 1455
- 01:14:27,888 --> 01:14:31,358
- The song-writing
- wasn't really there yet
- 1456
- 01:14:31,391 --> 01:14:34,762
- but the... the grooves
- 1457
- 01:14:34,795 --> 01:14:36,997
- the, um, the force was.
- 1458
- 01:14:37,031 --> 01:14:39,366
- Some of the songs we had already written
- 1459
- 01:14:39,399 --> 01:14:40,768
- and brought in at that time
- 1460
- 01:14:40,801 --> 01:14:42,102
- were "I Got A Right"
- 1461
- 01:14:42,136 --> 01:14:43,538
- "Gimme Some Skin"
- 1462
- 01:14:43,571 --> 01:14:44,639
- "Tight Pants."
- 1463
- 01:14:44,672 --> 01:14:46,774
- Which later showed up as
- 1464
- 01:14:46,807 --> 01:14:49,677
- "Shake Appeal on Raw Power."
- 1465
- 01:14:49,710 --> 01:14:51,679
- We did some demo sessions
- 1466
- 01:14:51,712 --> 01:14:54,181
- w-a, at a little eight track
- 1467
- 01:14:54,214 --> 01:14:57,151
- called R.G. Jones in Wimbledon
- 1468
- 01:14:57,184 --> 01:14:59,319
- and those were good demo sessions.
- 1469
- 01:14:59,353 --> 01:15:01,589
- [rock music]
- 1470
- 01:15:03,658 --> 01:15:06,761
- [indistinct singing]
- 1471
- 01:15:09,997 --> 01:15:11,732
- Then later...
- 1472
- 01:15:11,766 --> 01:15:14,301
- ...we did, uh, we did a little
- 1473
- 01:15:14,334 --> 01:15:16,537
- little more formal session in
- 1474
- 01:15:16,571 --> 01:15:19,406
- Olympic Studios with Keith Harwood
- 1475
- 01:15:19,439 --> 01:15:22,342
- who was The Stones engineer at that time
- 1476
- 01:15:22,376 --> 01:15:25,079
- and that's the recording
- of "I Got A Right"
- 1477
- 01:15:25,112 --> 01:15:27,815
- that's become so popular, since it's
- 1478
- 01:15:27,848 --> 01:15:31,151
- fast as lightning and kicks like a mule.
- 1479
- 01:15:31,185 --> 01:15:34,121
- [rock music]
- 1480
- 01:15:38,559 --> 01:15:41,495
- * Anytime I want I got a right to move *
- 1481
- 01:15:41,528 --> 01:15:43,798
- * No matter what they say *
- 1482
- 01:15:45,800 --> 01:15:48,836
- * Anytime I want I got a right to move *
- 1483
- 01:15:48,869 --> 01:15:51,038
- * No matter what they say *
- 1484
- 01:15:53,040 --> 01:15:56,443
- * I got a right I got a right to move *
- 1485
- 01:15:56,476 --> 01:15:59,714
- * Anywhere I want anywhere *
- 1486
- 01:15:59,747 --> 01:16:02,917
- It was our best effort, uh, to, to..
- 1487
- 01:16:02,950 --> 01:16:04,919
- To make hit records, basically.
- 1488
- 01:16:04,952 --> 01:16:07,622
- We wanted-we wanted
- to make a good record
- 1489
- 01:16:07,655 --> 01:16:11,626
- um, but the, the thing about us is that
- 1490
- 01:16:11,659 --> 01:16:13,694
- w-we're so delusional about
- 1491
- 01:16:13,728 --> 01:16:15,763
- what is popular, you know
- 1492
- 01:16:15,796 --> 01:16:19,033
- because all we really care about
- is what we like.
- 1493
- 01:16:19,066 --> 01:16:21,535
- Sometime, I don't know
- if it was late fall
- 1494
- 01:16:21,568 --> 01:16:23,570
- somebody knows.
- 1495
- 01:16:23,604 --> 01:16:25,205
- We, uh..
- 1496
- 01:16:25,239 --> 01:16:28,709
- We had-we had written
- the second batch of material
- 1497
- 01:16:28,743 --> 01:16:30,377
- that was gonna be "Raw Power."
- 1498
- 01:16:30,410 --> 01:16:33,614
- And eventually, they just
- all got busy with Bowie
- 1499
- 01:16:33,648 --> 01:16:34,915
- and left us in the studio
- 1500
- 01:16:34,949 --> 01:16:37,051
- cause we owed a record to CBS
- 1501
- 01:16:37,084 --> 01:16:39,787
- and that's where "Raw Power"
- came out of and
- 1502
- 01:16:39,820 --> 01:16:42,823
- and we really, you know,
- I-I've said this before
- 1503
- 01:16:42,857 --> 01:16:45,993
- we were just left
- without any adult supervision
- 1504
- 01:16:46,026 --> 01:16:47,762
- I mean, we just did our thing.
- 1505
- 01:16:47,795 --> 01:16:49,930
- [rock music]
- 1506
- 01:17:06,013 --> 01:17:07,748
- * I'm a street walking cheetah *
- 1507
- 01:17:07,782 --> 01:17:10,785
- * With a heart full of napalm *
- 1508
- 01:17:12,219 --> 01:17:16,356
- * I'm a runaway son
- of the nuclear A-bomb *
- 1509
- 01:17:18,859 --> 01:17:21,762
- * I am a world's forgotten boy *
- 1510
- 01:17:21,796 --> 01:17:25,599
- * The one who searches and destroys *
- 1511
- 01:17:25,632 --> 01:17:29,203
- (Iggy) As a guitarist,
- James fills the space
- 1512
- 01:17:29,236 --> 01:17:33,207
- as if somebody's just let
- a drug dog into your house
- 1513
- 01:17:33,240 --> 01:17:34,842
- and it's big.
- 1514
- 01:17:34,875 --> 01:17:38,746
- And he-he finds every corner...
- 1515
- 01:17:40,214 --> 01:17:43,650
- ...of a musical premise
- 1516
- 01:17:43,684 --> 01:17:47,321
- and of a piece of space and time
- 1517
- 01:17:47,354 --> 01:17:49,990
- and fills it up with detail.
- 1518
- 01:17:50,024 --> 01:17:52,960
- It's a very detailed approach
- 1519
- 01:17:52,993 --> 01:17:57,064
- and it's really hard to find
- a space to say something
- 1520
- 01:17:57,097 --> 01:17:59,466
- that he hasn't thought of or occupied.
- 1521
- 01:17:59,499 --> 01:18:00,968
- [music continues]
- 1522
- 01:18:01,001 --> 01:18:04,504
- * Somebody gotta save my soul *
- 1523
- 01:18:04,538 --> 01:18:07,274
- * Baby penetrates my mind *
- 1524
- 01:18:11,078 --> 01:18:15,182
- * And I'm the world's forgotten boy *
- 1525
- 01:18:16,751 --> 01:18:21,655
- * The one who's searchin'
- searchin' to destroy oh *
- 1526
- 01:18:21,688 --> 01:18:24,925
- (Iggy) And so Ron plays a
- sort of a nimble bass style
- 1527
- 01:18:24,959 --> 01:18:27,828
- and it really-really helps
- 1528
- 01:18:27,862 --> 01:18:29,997
- lift James, my vocals
- 1529
- 01:18:30,030 --> 01:18:31,665
- I had to go way up high
- 1530
- 01:18:31,698 --> 01:18:34,701
- I'm-I'm an octave above
- 1531
- 01:18:34,735 --> 01:18:38,005
- Fun House to find a space
- 1532
- 01:18:38,038 --> 01:18:41,075
- that James isn't occupying.
- 1533
- 01:18:41,108 --> 01:18:44,178
- Uh, Scott solved the problem
- by-by just beating
- 1534
- 01:18:44,211 --> 01:18:46,580
- the living shit out of his drums.
- 1535
- 01:18:46,613 --> 01:18:49,083
- [music continues]
- 1536
- 01:18:49,116 --> 01:18:54,121
- * Look out honey 'cause
- I'm using technology **
- 1537
- 01:18:54,154 --> 01:18:56,390
- (James) The bass player
- and the drummer are
- 1538
- 01:18:56,423 --> 01:18:59,593
- the most important thing in
- the band, other than the songs.
- 1539
- 01:18:59,626 --> 01:19:01,528
- You know, when those guys were together
- 1540
- 01:19:01,561 --> 01:19:03,764
- they were just like
- this unit and, you know
- 1541
- 01:19:03,798 --> 01:19:05,966
- and it just was rock solid.
- 1542
- 01:19:06,000 --> 01:19:08,602
- It was so good,
- it was really, really good.
- 1543
- 01:19:08,635 --> 01:19:11,205
- And that's what, uh,
- unfortunately on Raw Power
- 1544
- 01:19:11,238 --> 01:19:13,607
- you don't actually hear the bass
- that much
- 1545
- 01:19:13,640 --> 01:19:15,609
- but it was there, it was good.
- 1546
- 01:19:15,642 --> 01:19:18,245
- [music continues]
- 1547
- 01:19:29,756 --> 01:19:31,425
- [crowd cheering]
- 1548
- 01:19:34,862 --> 01:19:37,297
- (Iggy)
- The band from late 1971
- 1549
- 01:19:37,331 --> 01:19:39,266
- when we were signed with Main Man
- 1550
- 01:19:39,299 --> 01:19:43,170
- to early '72 or whenever
- we went to London and began
- 1551
- 01:19:43,203 --> 01:19:46,740
- working with them, to early '73
- 1552
- 01:19:46,773 --> 01:19:49,343
- when they publically dropped us
- 1553
- 01:19:49,376 --> 01:19:52,512
- but privately told me
- that I was suspended
- 1554
- 01:19:52,546 --> 01:19:54,414
- for moral turpitude
- 1555
- 01:19:54,448 --> 01:19:56,616
- and embarrassing their company
- 1556
- 01:19:56,650 --> 01:20:00,154
- they consistently refused
- 1557
- 01:20:00,187 --> 01:20:03,157
- to allow us to play a gig.
- 1558
- 01:20:03,190 --> 01:20:05,525
- And we were...
- we were popular enough
- 1559
- 01:20:05,559 --> 01:20:09,096
- that we could have gone out
- and earned most of our bacon.
- 1560
- 01:20:09,129 --> 01:20:11,431
- They wouldn't let us play.
- 1561
- 01:20:11,465 --> 01:20:14,969
- The situation brought out
- our old weaknesses
- 1562
- 01:20:15,002 --> 01:20:16,470
- and we were told
- 1563
- 01:20:16,503 --> 01:20:19,039
- that we were gonna go live in Hollywood
- 1564
- 01:20:19,073 --> 01:20:22,943
- in this firm Main Man house there.
- 1565
- 01:20:22,977 --> 01:20:24,845
- And it was oil and water
- 1566
- 01:20:24,879 --> 01:20:27,614
- James Williamson behaved badly
- 1567
- 01:20:27,647 --> 01:20:30,117
- Iggy Pop behaved badly
- 1568
- 01:20:30,150 --> 01:20:33,320
- Scott Asheton just looked at the floor
- 1569
- 01:20:33,353 --> 01:20:34,855
- and let it roll
- 1570
- 01:20:34,889 --> 01:20:37,958
- and Ron Asheton was embittered
- 1571
- 01:20:37,992 --> 01:20:40,527
- and powerless and threw up his hands
- 1572
- 01:20:40,560 --> 01:20:43,998
- and the group drifted into drugs.
- 1573
- 01:20:44,031 --> 01:20:47,167
- Again, this embarrassed these people.
- 1574
- 01:20:47,201 --> 01:20:51,205
- Defries came through town
- one day in a limo.
- 1575
- 01:20:51,238 --> 01:20:54,208
- I think he was gonna talk to me
- about something
- 1576
- 01:20:54,241 --> 01:20:57,978
- they could do with me
- that didn't involve these guys
- 1577
- 01:20:58,012 --> 01:20:59,880
- that would
- 1578
- 01:20:59,914 --> 01:21:01,815
- put a positive spin
- 1579
- 01:21:01,848 --> 01:21:04,418
- on his investment with me.
- 1580
- 01:21:04,451 --> 01:21:07,421
- And he got me into his limo
- and he said, "James..
- 1581
- 01:21:08,956 --> 01:21:12,726
- "...I want to tell you
- what we're going to do.
- 1582
- 01:21:12,759 --> 01:21:14,494
- "We're going to take you to New York
- 1583
- 01:21:14,528 --> 01:21:16,830
- "to Broadway
- 1584
- 01:21:16,863 --> 01:21:20,234
- and you're going to be
- Peter Pan."
- 1585
- 01:21:20,267 --> 01:21:23,670
- * If I'm pleased with myself *
- 1586
- 01:21:23,703 --> 01:21:26,040
- * I have every good reason to be **
- 1587
- 01:21:27,541 --> 01:21:30,010
- And I, with deep sincerity
- 1588
- 01:21:30,044 --> 01:21:32,246
- an-and I mean this.
- 1589
- 01:21:32,279 --> 01:21:36,483
- I said, "No, no, no, Tony.
- 1590
- 01:21:39,819 --> 01:21:42,089
- "I've gotta be Manson.
- 1591
- 01:21:42,122 --> 01:21:44,358
- We've gotta make a movie."
- 1592
- 01:21:44,391 --> 01:21:47,027
- He dropped me off and it was
- 1593
- 01:21:47,061 --> 01:21:48,695
- just a couple days after that
- 1594
- 01:21:48,728 --> 01:21:52,532
- that the rest of us
- got thrown out of the house.
- 1595
- 01:21:52,566 --> 01:21:54,701
- (Williamson) The brothers
- moved back to Detroit.
- 1596
- 01:21:54,734 --> 01:21:57,371
- Later on, Iggy and I
- 1597
- 01:21:57,404 --> 01:21:58,738
- decided we would
- 1598
- 01:21:58,772 --> 01:22:01,108
- give it another whirl.
- 1599
- 01:22:01,141 --> 01:22:03,710
- And so we, uh, we created
- 1600
- 01:22:03,743 --> 01:22:06,646
- what later became "Kill City."
- 1601
- 01:22:06,680 --> 01:22:09,916
- We lucked out,
- we-we had a friend, Jimmy Webb
- 1602
- 01:22:09,950 --> 01:22:12,286
- he had a studio in his house.
- 1603
- 01:22:12,319 --> 01:22:14,154
- It was funny, I mean,
- you know, you'd have guys like
- 1604
- 01:22:14,188 --> 01:22:16,656
- Art Garfunkel come in to the session
- 1605
- 01:22:16,690 --> 01:22:18,158
- he'd listen to play backs
- 1606
- 01:22:18,192 --> 01:22:20,227
- and then they would just leave,
- you know?
- 1607
- 01:22:20,260 --> 01:22:23,964
- And without anybody,
- any takers for the album
- 1608
- 01:22:23,998 --> 01:22:26,933
- we-we, we just called it quits.
- 1609
- 01:22:28,168 --> 01:22:31,371
- Jim went off with Bowie to Europe...
- 1610
- 01:22:33,140 --> 01:22:36,676
- ...and I went to work
- for a recording studio
- 1611
- 01:22:36,710 --> 01:22:40,647
- but I, um, quickly realized
- that there's only one thing
- 1612
- 01:22:40,680 --> 01:22:43,150
- worse than playing in a band
- you don't like
- 1613
- 01:22:43,183 --> 01:22:47,587
- and that's recording
- five or ten bands every day
- 1614
- 01:22:47,621 --> 01:22:48,922
- that you can't stand.
- 1615
- 01:22:48,955 --> 01:22:51,758
- So, I-I really wasn't
- very cut out for that
- 1616
- 01:22:51,791 --> 01:22:54,428
- but I did learn a lot,
- and it stimulated, uh
- 1617
- 01:22:54,461 --> 01:22:57,431
- an interest in electronics,
- and at that time
- 1618
- 01:22:57,464 --> 01:23:00,667
- it was the very, very beginning
- of the personal computer
- 1619
- 01:23:00,700 --> 01:23:02,869
- and so I went off and I learned
- 1620
- 01:23:02,902 --> 01:23:05,339
- how to do all that stuff.
- 1621
- 01:23:05,372 --> 01:23:07,707
- I'll tell ya, uh, when I was
- 1622
- 01:23:07,741 --> 01:23:09,609
- uh, studying engineering
- 1623
- 01:23:09,643 --> 01:23:12,946
- to go from "The Stooges" to calculus
- 1624
- 01:23:12,979 --> 01:23:15,615
- was a huge existential gap.
- 1625
- 01:23:15,649 --> 01:23:17,584
- [man screaming]
- 1626
- 01:23:19,353 --> 01:23:21,788
- So I went and moved
- to the Silicon Valley
- 1627
- 01:23:21,821 --> 01:23:24,724
- and started working
- in the electronics industry
- 1628
- 01:23:24,758 --> 01:23:27,961
- so, and I've been there ever
- since, I mean, that's been
- 1629
- 01:23:27,994 --> 01:23:30,664
- uh, 27 year career.
- 1630
- 01:23:30,697 --> 01:23:33,667
- [rock music]
- 1631
- 01:23:42,376 --> 01:23:44,010
- (Iggy)
- After "The Stooges" collapsed
- 1632
- 01:23:44,044 --> 01:23:45,812
- Ron first joined "New Order"
- 1633
- 01:23:45,845 --> 01:23:49,883
- and then he did "Destroy
- All Monsters" with Niagara.
- 1634
- 01:23:49,916 --> 01:23:53,019
- [indistinct singing]
- 1635
- 01:24:08,235 --> 01:24:11,371
- [rock music]
- 1636
- 01:24:16,743 --> 01:24:19,846
- (Scott) I played five years in
- the "Sonic Rendezvous Band"
- 1637
- 01:24:19,879 --> 01:24:22,282
- with Fred Smith, and, um..
- 1638
- 01:24:22,316 --> 01:24:24,518
- He married Patty Smith.
- 1639
- 01:24:24,551 --> 01:24:28,455
- And once he did that was
- the end of the band.
- 1640
- 01:24:28,488 --> 01:24:30,224
- Went on another five years
- 1641
- 01:24:30,257 --> 01:24:34,394
- playing with Scott Morgan without Fred
- 1642
- 01:24:34,428 --> 01:24:37,797
- making $30, $40 a night.
- 1643
- 01:24:37,831 --> 01:24:41,701
- Three sets a night.
- 1644
- 01:24:41,735 --> 01:24:44,338
- I'd have day jobs.
- 1645
- 01:24:45,639 --> 01:24:47,874
- Warehousing
- 1646
- 01:24:47,907 --> 01:24:50,377
- landscaping
- 1647
- 01:24:50,410 --> 01:24:53,680
- for two years I drove a taxi cab.
- 1648
- 01:24:55,249 --> 01:24:57,451
- Just crummy jobs.
- 1649
- 01:25:02,356 --> 01:25:05,058
- (Danny)
- I think that "The Stooges"
- 1650
- 01:25:05,091 --> 01:25:08,061
- reinvented music as we know it.
- 1651
- 01:25:08,094 --> 01:25:12,632
- If I say that "The Stooges"
- music is-is point zero
- 1652
- 01:25:12,666 --> 01:25:16,670
- The "Ramones,"
- who were a great love of mine
- 1653
- 01:25:16,703 --> 01:25:18,672
- after that
- 1654
- 01:25:18,705 --> 01:25:22,242
- knew each other not because
- they liked each other
- 1655
- 01:25:22,276 --> 01:25:23,743
- because they were the only four people
- 1656
- 01:25:23,777 --> 01:25:26,780
- at their school
- who liked "The Stooges."
- 1657
- 01:25:26,813 --> 01:25:31,785
- * I'm a street walking cheetah
- with a heart full of napalm *
- 1658
- 01:25:31,818 --> 01:25:35,389
- * I'm a runaway son
- of the nuclear A-bomb *
- 1659
- 01:25:37,291 --> 01:25:39,459
- * I am a world's forgotten boy *
- 1660
- 01:25:39,493 --> 01:25:42,262
- * The one who searches and destroys **
- 1661
- 01:25:42,296 --> 01:25:44,164
- [rock music]
- 1662
- 01:25:44,198 --> 01:25:46,700
- [indistinct singing]
- 1663
- 01:25:55,008 --> 01:25:58,278
- (Dinah) Do you feel you've
- influenced anybody in the..
- 1664
- 01:25:58,312 --> 01:26:00,780
- I think I helped wipe out the sixties
- 1665
- 01:26:00,814 --> 01:26:02,716
- [crowd laughing]
- 1666
- 01:26:05,219 --> 01:26:07,454
- You'll get one number
- and one number only
- 1667
- 01:26:07,487 --> 01:26:09,823
- because I'm a lazy bastard.
- 1668
- 01:26:12,826 --> 01:26:14,661
- This is "No Fun."
- 1669
- 01:26:15,262 --> 01:26:18,398
- [rock music]
- 1670
- 01:26:28,442 --> 01:26:31,811
- * No fun my babe *
- 1671
- 01:26:31,845 --> 01:26:35,014
- * No fun *
- 1672
- 01:26:35,048 --> 01:26:38,352
- * No fun my babe *
- 1673
- 01:26:38,385 --> 01:26:40,520
- * No fun *
- 1674
- 01:26:42,188 --> 01:26:45,425
- * ...want to be alone *
- 1675
- 01:26:45,459 --> 01:26:48,528
- * I'm out here by myself *
- 1676
- 01:26:48,562 --> 01:26:52,165
- * I don't want to be alone *
- 1677
- 01:26:52,198 --> 01:26:55,168
- * In love *
- 1678
- 01:26:55,201 --> 01:26:57,604
- * Nobody else *
- 1679
- 01:26:59,205 --> 01:27:00,740
- It's-it's Dionysiac.
- 1680
- 01:27:00,774 --> 01:27:02,409
- If you know the difference
- between Dionysiac
- 1681
- 01:27:02,442 --> 01:27:04,244
- and Appolonian art.
- 1682
- 01:27:08,648 --> 01:27:11,585
- [rock music]
- 1683
- 01:27:15,455 --> 01:27:18,592
- [indistinct singing]
- 1684
- 01:27:27,401 --> 01:27:31,605
- * Now I want to be your dog *
- 1685
- 01:27:31,638 --> 01:27:35,809
- * Now I want to be your dog *
- 1686
- 01:27:44,418 --> 01:27:46,520
- * Come on *
- 1687
- 01:27:49,323 --> 01:27:52,459
- [instrumental music]
- 1688
- 01:28:18,652 --> 01:28:22,255
- * Yeah I do mean you
- 1689
- 01:28:22,288 --> 01:28:25,091
- * She got TV eye on me *
- 1690
- 01:28:25,124 --> 01:28:27,527
- (Mike Watt) There was
- a movie "Velvet Goldmine"
- 1691
- 01:28:27,561 --> 01:28:30,096
- in which one of the dudes
- is a composite of
- 1692
- 01:28:30,129 --> 01:28:32,799
- Ig and they wanted like some kind of
- 1693
- 01:28:32,832 --> 01:28:35,268
- music coming from somebody
- called "The Rats."
- 1694
- 01:28:35,301 --> 01:28:36,836
- They put Steve Shelley out
- 1695
- 01:28:36,870 --> 01:28:38,705
- because he's from Midland, Michigan
- 1696
- 01:28:38,738 --> 01:28:41,274
- to go with Ronny and he'd write songs
- 1697
- 01:28:41,307 --> 01:28:42,776
- and he comes to New York
- 1698
- 01:28:42,809 --> 01:28:44,844
- and we get to record with him, yeah.
- 1699
- 01:28:44,878 --> 01:28:47,381
- And here I got to sit across
- and Thrust, too, you know.
- 1700
- 01:28:47,414 --> 01:28:49,649
- There's the guy doing the "TV Eye"
- 1701
- 01:28:49,683 --> 01:28:52,285
- we could see his hands and play along.
- 1702
- 01:28:52,318 --> 01:28:53,753
- It was a trip.
- 1703
- 01:28:54,521 --> 01:28:56,523
- Uh, I got sick
- 1704
- 01:28:56,556 --> 01:28:58,825
- when I was, uh, 42
- 1705
- 01:28:58,858 --> 01:29:01,495
- and it almost killed me, this infection.
- 1706
- 01:29:01,528 --> 01:29:03,697
- They had to put tubes in me
- 1707
- 01:29:03,730 --> 01:29:05,865
- and I couldn't work bass,
- so it was the first time
- 1708
- 01:29:05,899 --> 01:29:08,668
- I stopped since I was thirteen
- and when I came back
- 1709
- 01:29:08,702 --> 01:29:11,871
- I was all atrophied and really lame.
- 1710
- 01:29:11,905 --> 01:29:14,674
- I thought you were not supposed
- to lose that kinda stuff.
- 1711
- 01:29:14,708 --> 01:29:16,576
- So I panicked and then started doing
- 1712
- 01:29:16,610 --> 01:29:19,145
- Stooges songs to get strong
- 1713
- 01:29:19,178 --> 01:29:22,816
- and I put together some bands
- just to do this.
- 1714
- 01:29:22,849 --> 01:29:26,386
- There's not chord changes
- but it's a lot about the feel.
- 1715
- 01:29:26,420 --> 01:29:27,587
- So, "Little Doll," "Little Doll"
- 1716
- 01:29:27,621 --> 01:29:29,188
- "Little Doll," "Little Doll."
- 1717
- 01:29:29,222 --> 01:29:31,357
- On the West Coast I did one
- with Perk and Peter
- 1718
- 01:29:31,391 --> 01:29:33,427
- from "Porno for Pyros," and on the East
- 1719
- 01:29:33,460 --> 01:29:36,162
- I did it with J and Murph from Dinosaur.
- 1720
- 01:29:36,195 --> 01:29:38,998
- Well J gets his solo album
- 1721
- 01:29:39,032 --> 01:29:41,835
- and he asks me to tour.
- 1722
- 01:29:41,868 --> 01:29:44,003
- He says, "Man, it's hard for me
- to sing every song every night
- 1723
- 01:29:44,037 --> 01:29:45,439
- "so why don't you do some Stooges
- 1724
- 01:29:45,472 --> 01:29:48,007
- like we did with those gigs."
- 1725
- 01:29:48,041 --> 01:29:49,576
- And when we come through
- Ann Arbor, he says
- 1726
- 01:29:49,609 --> 01:29:52,579
- "You know Ronny" because of the..
- 1727
- 01:29:52,612 --> 01:29:54,681
- Now I got his, uh, phone number.
- 1728
- 01:29:54,714 --> 01:29:57,083
- I call him and he comes to the Blind Pig
- 1729
- 01:29:57,116 --> 01:29:58,384
- and he jams Stooges with us.
- 1730
- 01:29:58,418 --> 01:30:01,020
- So J says, "Come on tour!
- 1731
- 01:30:01,054 --> 01:30:03,022
- "First two thirds will be mine, and then
- 1732
- 01:30:03,056 --> 01:30:05,191
- the last third
- we'll do Stooges."
- 1733
- 01:30:05,224 --> 01:30:07,561
- Then 2002 comes and, uh..
- 1734
- 01:30:07,594 --> 01:30:10,129
- Thurston is curating
- a All Tomorrow Party
- 1735
- 01:30:10,163 --> 01:30:11,598
- at UCLA and he says
- 1736
- 01:30:11,631 --> 01:30:13,132
- "Why don't we get Scotty?"
- You know.
- 1737
- 01:30:13,166 --> 01:30:14,468
- He was living in his truck.
- 1738
- 01:30:14,501 --> 01:30:15,969
- And so rent him a drum set and he comes
- 1739
- 01:30:16,002 --> 01:30:18,772
- so me and J are playing
- with both Asheton brothers
- 1740
- 01:30:18,805 --> 01:30:21,741
- and we do some gigs in Europe...
- 1741
- 01:30:21,775 --> 01:30:24,377
- ...and that's where I think
- Ig heard about it.
- 1742
- 01:30:24,410 --> 01:30:26,880
- It was time for me to record again
- 1743
- 01:30:26,913 --> 01:30:28,582
- and, um..
- 1744
- 01:30:28,615 --> 01:30:31,084
- I'd run out of things to say.
- 1745
- 01:30:32,185 --> 01:30:34,788
- And my record label had, um...
- 1746
- 01:30:34,821 --> 01:30:37,390
- ...run out of patience with, uh
- 1747
- 01:30:37,423 --> 01:30:39,826
- my middling sales
- 1748
- 01:30:39,859 --> 01:30:42,395
- on the last couple of albums.
- 1749
- 01:30:42,428 --> 01:30:45,599
- To pre-empt, uh, being produced
- 1750
- 01:30:45,632 --> 01:30:48,401
- which was, is,
- was the kiss of death to me
- 1751
- 01:30:48,434 --> 01:30:52,238
- I offered to do a-a guest..
- 1752
- 01:30:52,271 --> 01:30:53,473
- A guest star album.
- 1753
- 01:30:53,507 --> 01:30:55,408
- I started listing everything
- 1754
- 01:30:55,441 --> 01:30:57,911
- everybody I thought of who was cool
- 1755
- 01:30:57,944 --> 01:31:00,413
- and then I realized
- none of them are any as cool
- 1756
- 01:31:00,446 --> 01:31:01,981
- as "The Stooges."
- 1757
- 01:31:02,015 --> 01:31:04,718
- [rock music]
- 1758
- 01:31:10,624 --> 01:31:14,127
- Sometimes just a,
- a hop or two in front of me
- 1759
- 01:31:14,160 --> 01:31:16,696
- playing with J. Masci
- from Dinosaur Jr.
- 1760
- 01:31:16,730 --> 01:31:20,099
- I got a phone call oneday
- from Ron Asheton...
- 1761
- 01:31:20,133 --> 01:31:21,801
- ...and he was saying,
- "Well, we're playing
- 1762
- 01:31:21,835 --> 01:31:23,503
- this thing with J. Mascis."
- 1763
- 01:31:23,537 --> 01:31:26,439
- J. Mascis
- 1764
- 01:31:26,472 --> 01:31:28,207
- pulled the whole thing together.
- 1765
- 01:31:28,241 --> 01:31:29,442
- J. Mascis.
- 1766
- 01:31:29,475 --> 01:31:31,144
- [rock music]
- 1767
- 01:31:39,052 --> 01:31:41,320
- (Scott) Then we did the Asheton, Asheton
- 1768
- 01:31:41,354 --> 01:31:43,489
- Mascis Watt thing
- 1769
- 01:31:43,523 --> 01:31:45,959
- which Jim got ear of
- 1770
- 01:31:45,992 --> 01:31:48,662
- cause people wanted to hear those songs
- 1771
- 01:31:48,695 --> 01:31:50,864
- and we were playing the old Stooge songs
- 1772
- 01:31:50,897 --> 01:31:52,666
- and getting good reviews
- 1773
- 01:31:52,699 --> 01:31:56,169
- so that sparked Jim...
- 1774
- 01:31:56,202 --> 01:31:58,504
- ...to want to get the band
- back together.
- 1775
- 01:31:58,538 --> 01:32:02,375
- I gave Ron a call, I still knew
- the phone number was the same
- 1776
- 01:32:02,408 --> 01:32:05,645
- at his home from, uh, 1966
- 1777
- 01:32:05,679 --> 01:32:08,682
- and, uh, he said
- "Yeah! I'll do it."
- 1778
- 01:32:08,715 --> 01:32:11,484
- I remember going to my mom's house
- 1779
- 01:32:11,517 --> 01:32:14,220
- Ronny was there
- 1780
- 01:32:14,253 --> 01:32:17,223
- and, uh, my mom's, you know
- 1781
- 01:32:17,256 --> 01:32:19,593
- I walk in and she's going
- 1782
- 01:32:19,626 --> 01:32:22,662
- [whispers]
- "Guess who just called?"
- 1783
- 01:32:22,696 --> 01:32:25,699
- And I'm like, she goes "Iggy."
- 1784
- 01:32:25,732 --> 01:32:27,834
- And she was so excited, you know
- 1785
- 01:32:27,867 --> 01:32:29,569
- cause she was like..
- 1786
- 01:32:29,603 --> 01:32:31,705
- Thought it was the coolest thing
- that Iggy called
- 1787
- 01:32:31,738 --> 01:32:34,340
- and the band's getting back together.
- 1788
- 01:32:34,373 --> 01:32:38,011
- So in a weird way, it was
- the cats Don Fleming and Jimbo
- 1789
- 01:32:38,044 --> 01:32:42,081
- Dunbar who asked Ronny,
- I mean, this is my guess
- 1790
- 01:32:42,115 --> 01:32:44,383
- to do that "Velvet Goldmine"
- that kinda started
- 1791
- 01:32:44,417 --> 01:32:46,219
- the whole ball rolling.
- 1792
- 01:32:46,252 --> 01:32:48,354
- And then that sickness in a weird way
- 1793
- 01:32:48,387 --> 01:32:51,090
- and J saying "Come on aboard."
- 1794
- 01:32:51,124 --> 01:32:54,027
- He had... somehow, you know,
- I don't know exactly
- 1795
- 01:32:54,060 --> 01:32:57,631
- but I think this was the dynamic
- that led to the...
- 1796
- 01:32:57,664 --> 01:32:59,265
- ...2003 Coachella.
- 1797
- 01:32:59,298 --> 01:33:02,301
- Before we left
- the st-left the studio
- 1798
- 01:33:02,335 --> 01:33:05,772
- we got a call from Coachella
- 1799
- 01:33:05,805 --> 01:33:07,641
- and they offered us a show.
- 1800
- 01:33:07,674 --> 01:33:10,376
- To be honest
- 1801
- 01:33:10,409 --> 01:33:12,378
- at what would be a good price
- 1802
- 01:33:12,411 --> 01:33:15,882
- for a Iggy Pop show, but, um..
- 1803
- 01:33:15,915 --> 01:33:18,217
- If I was gonna work with "The Stooges"
- 1804
- 01:33:18,251 --> 01:33:21,921
- we're communists!
- We split all the money.
- 1805
- 01:33:21,955 --> 01:33:25,258
- So I had, uh, only way
- I could do it was say
- 1806
- 01:33:25,291 --> 01:33:27,761
- "Well, you'd have to give us
- 1807
- 01:33:27,794 --> 01:33:30,897
- three times that,"
- and I thought they'd go away
- 1808
- 01:33:30,930 --> 01:33:34,734
- and they came back
- and said "Okay."
- 1809
- 01:33:34,768 --> 01:33:36,936
- [instrumental music]
- 1810
- 01:33:38,037 --> 01:33:40,974
- [crowd cheering]
- 1811
- 01:33:44,610 --> 01:33:46,112
- Woo!
- 1812
- 01:33:48,614 --> 01:33:50,183
- Ah!
- 1813
- 01:33:51,484 --> 01:33:53,252
- Everybody!
- 1814
- 01:33:53,286 --> 01:33:54,954
- Now look out!
- 1815
- 01:33:56,622 --> 01:33:59,793
- [rock music]
- 1816
- 01:34:02,829 --> 01:34:04,831
- (Scott)
- When the band got back together
- 1817
- 01:34:04,864 --> 01:34:06,866
- I was so happy.
- 1818
- 01:34:06,900 --> 01:34:10,469
- It was a dream come true, it was just..
- 1819
- 01:34:10,503 --> 01:34:13,272
- Oh, my God, finally!
- 1820
- 01:34:13,306 --> 01:34:15,775
- I'm back with the band.
- 1821
- 01:34:15,809 --> 01:34:17,376
- [indistinct singing]
- 1822
- 01:34:19,145 --> 01:34:20,980
- (Mike) I could tell that
- they really enjoyed
- 1823
- 01:34:21,014 --> 01:34:23,116
- playing with each other,
- I could really tell
- 1824
- 01:34:23,149 --> 01:34:25,151
- that they were glad to be doing this
- 1825
- 01:34:25,184 --> 01:34:27,553
- even with all those years in between.
- 1826
- 01:34:27,586 --> 01:34:29,723
- [rock music]
- 1827
- 01:34:31,424 --> 01:34:32,892
- Yeah!
- 1828
- 01:34:37,163 --> 01:34:41,234
- * I'm so messed up I want you here *
- 1829
- 01:34:44,503 --> 01:34:45,839
- * In my room *
- 1830
- 01:34:45,872 --> 01:34:49,175
- * I want you here *
- 1831
- 01:34:49,208 --> 01:34:51,644
- (Iggy)
- Certain parts of history
- 1832
- 01:34:51,677 --> 01:34:53,679
- have repeated themselves
- 1833
- 01:34:53,713 --> 01:34:55,548
- both in the history of this
- 1834
- 01:34:55,581 --> 01:34:57,483
- reunification of our group
- 1835
- 01:34:57,516 --> 01:35:00,419
- which, I prefer to call it
- that rather than a reunion
- 1836
- 01:35:00,453 --> 01:35:02,321
- and one thing that
- 1837
- 01:35:02,355 --> 01:35:05,158
- happened was, uh, you know, we..
- 1838
- 01:35:05,191 --> 01:35:09,495
- We did a substantial period with
- 1839
- 01:35:09,528 --> 01:35:11,197
- with Ron doing the guitar.
- 1840
- 01:35:11,230 --> 01:35:14,868
- * Now I wanna be your dog *
- 1841
- 01:35:20,740 --> 01:35:22,308
- * Well come on *
- 1842
- 01:35:27,981 --> 01:35:32,285
- (Iggy) The last time I saw
- him was, uh, after the show.
- 1843
- 01:35:32,318 --> 01:35:34,187
- I opened the door
- 1844
- 01:35:34,220 --> 01:35:37,356
- and-and he and Scotty
- were sitting in profile
- 1845
- 01:35:37,390 --> 01:35:39,859
- at the end of the room
- and they were surrounded
- 1846
- 01:35:39,893 --> 01:35:44,030
- by young Slovenian musicians.
- 1847
- 01:35:44,063 --> 01:35:46,866
- So I just saw that they were busy
- 1848
- 01:35:46,900 --> 01:35:49,368
- and, um, split.
- 1849
- 01:35:49,402 --> 01:35:52,705
- I last saw him in profile.
- 1850
- 01:35:52,738 --> 01:35:54,473
- He popped up in my dreams
- 1851
- 01:35:54,507 --> 01:35:56,309
- a few times since then...
- 1852
- 01:35:57,476 --> 01:36:00,780
- ...and he never spoke or looked at me.
- 1853
- 01:36:00,814 --> 01:36:03,216
- It was always sort of
- 1854
- 01:36:03,249 --> 01:36:06,552
- more something like,
- uh... you know.
- 1855
- 01:36:06,585 --> 01:36:08,121
- The guy in "The Third Man" or
- 1856
- 01:36:08,154 --> 01:36:10,323
- the guy in "The French Connection"
- 1857
- 01:36:10,356 --> 01:36:12,125
- always walking by
- 1858
- 01:36:12,158 --> 01:36:15,761
- and you can't quite catch him.
- 1859
- 01:36:15,795 --> 01:36:17,763
- He was a lot like that.
- 1860
- 01:36:20,934 --> 01:36:22,735
- When he passed away
- 1861
- 01:36:22,768 --> 01:36:24,770
- it coincided with James
- 1862
- 01:36:24,804 --> 01:36:27,473
- retirement as a Sony Executive
- 1863
- 01:36:27,506 --> 01:36:28,808
- and...
- 1864
- 01:36:28,842 --> 01:36:31,610
- ...he wanted to rock
- 1865
- 01:36:31,644 --> 01:36:34,080
- and...
- 1866
- 01:36:34,113 --> 01:36:37,683
- ...I was sure that there
- was nothing else meaningful
- 1867
- 01:36:37,716 --> 01:36:40,319
- that the group could do other than
- 1868
- 01:36:40,353 --> 01:36:44,323
- do his,
- do-do some things with him
- 1869
- 01:36:44,357 --> 01:36:46,325
- doing his material.
- 1870
- 01:36:46,359 --> 01:36:50,296
- And having just finally
- done the right thing
- 1871
- 01:36:50,329 --> 01:36:52,698
- thirty years,
- thirty-five years later
- 1872
- 01:36:52,731 --> 01:36:54,600
- with Ron's material
- 1873
- 01:36:54,633 --> 01:36:57,303
- to do the same thing for his
- and complete the job.
- 1874
- 01:36:57,336 --> 01:37:01,607
- Iggy's talking to me about,
- "Well, you wanna play guitar?"
- 1875
- 01:37:01,640 --> 01:37:04,377
- and I'm going, "Well..
- 1876
- 01:37:04,410 --> 01:37:06,445
- "I don't know,
- I mean, I haven't played guitar
- 1877
- 01:37:06,479 --> 01:37:08,514
- in thirty years, so.."
- 1878
- 01:37:08,547 --> 01:37:11,851
- Uh, but I, but I felt like that, uh..
- 1879
- 01:37:11,885 --> 01:37:13,887
- And this is the truth, is I felt
- 1880
- 01:37:13,920 --> 01:37:16,622
- like that these guys were
- 1881
- 01:37:16,655 --> 01:37:17,991
- you know, they're my buddies
- 1882
- 01:37:18,024 --> 01:37:20,226
- I mean, I know these
- guys from my twenties.
- 1883
- 01:37:20,259 --> 01:37:23,629
- And so, they needed me,
- you know, to do this
- 1884
- 01:37:23,662 --> 01:37:27,000
- and I, I felt like
- I needed to step up and do it.
- 1885
- 01:37:27,033 --> 01:37:29,969
- * Raw power it's a more than soul *
- 1886
- 01:37:30,003 --> 01:37:32,471
- * Got a son called rock and roll *
- 1887
- 01:37:32,505 --> 01:37:35,641
- * Raw power honey just won't quit *
- 1888
- 01:37:35,674 --> 01:37:38,244
- * Raw power I can feel it *
- 1889
- 01:37:38,277 --> 01:37:41,214
- * Raw power honey can't be beat *
- 1890
- 01:37:41,247 --> 01:37:44,317
- * Get down and a kiss my feet *
- 1891
- 01:37:44,350 --> 01:37:47,153
- * Everybody's always
- tryin to tell me what to do *
- 1892
- 01:37:47,186 --> 01:37:49,755
- (James)
- I really had no intention
- 1893
- 01:37:49,788 --> 01:37:52,158
- idea or wildest dream
- 1894
- 01:37:52,191 --> 01:37:54,093
- that I would be playing, you know
- 1895
- 01:37:54,127 --> 01:37:55,828
- guitar again for "The Stooges."
- 1896
- 01:37:55,861 --> 01:37:59,265
- I mean, it was really the
- furthest thing from my mind.
- 1897
- 01:38:00,566 --> 01:38:03,536
- [rock music]
- 1898
- 01:38:15,314 --> 01:38:17,850
- (Iggy)
- They were a group of the
- 1899
- 01:38:17,883 --> 01:38:19,953
- slightly more popular
- 1900
- 01:38:19,986 --> 01:38:22,521
- slightly more physically aggressive
- 1901
- 01:38:22,555 --> 01:38:24,523
- guys in my class.
- 1902
- 01:38:24,557 --> 01:38:27,760
- And there were about four
- or five of them at the time.
- 1903
- 01:38:27,793 --> 01:38:30,930
- I'd been to one or two
- of their homes, used to eat
- 1904
- 01:38:30,964 --> 01:38:33,732
- French fries with them across
- the street from school.
- 1905
- 01:38:33,766 --> 01:38:36,702
- So one of them had a car
- his dad had given him.
- 1906
- 01:38:36,735 --> 01:38:38,104
- They came out
- 1907
- 01:38:38,137 --> 01:38:39,738
- they did three things, one of them said
- 1908
- 01:38:39,772 --> 01:38:43,109
- "Yeah, look, his dad drives a Cadillac
- 1909
- 01:38:43,142 --> 01:38:44,978
- "and he lives in a trailer.
- 1910
- 01:38:45,011 --> 01:38:46,912
- Car's bigger than his house!"
- 1911
- 01:38:46,946 --> 01:38:49,148
- Few of 'em got together
- 1912
- 01:38:49,182 --> 01:38:51,317
- "Let's see if it shakes."
- 1913
- 01:38:51,350 --> 01:38:55,221
- And they started pushing it
- and trying to shake
- 1914
- 01:38:55,254 --> 01:38:57,490
- the trailer on its foundations
- 1915
- 01:38:57,523 --> 01:38:59,425
- which it would not.
- 1916
- 01:38:59,458 --> 01:39:01,894
- Uh, but you did feel, you could feel it.
- 1917
- 01:39:01,927 --> 01:39:05,131
- Uh, yeah, I want to be friends
- with these guys and, uh
- 1918
- 01:39:05,164 --> 01:39:07,300
- I admired certain things about them.
- 1919
- 01:39:07,333 --> 01:39:10,236
- One of them jumped in the bathtub and
- 1920
- 01:39:10,269 --> 01:39:12,005
- made some sort of remark
- 1921
- 01:39:12,038 --> 01:39:15,408
- about the size of the, the bathroom.
- 1922
- 01:39:15,441 --> 01:39:18,044
- Ever since I've been out to get 'em.
- 1923
- 01:39:19,645 --> 01:39:22,115
- Ever since, you know.
- 1924
- 01:39:22,148 --> 01:39:23,949
- I'll bury those guys.
- 1925
- 01:39:23,983 --> 01:39:26,285
- [crowd cheering]
- 1926
- 01:39:31,290 --> 01:39:33,426
- Uh!
- 1927
- 01:39:33,459 --> 01:39:38,331
- We three here are the surviving Stooges.
- 1928
- 01:39:38,364 --> 01:39:40,166
- [cheering]
- 1929
- 01:39:42,135 --> 01:39:45,171
- Ron and Dave woulda gotten
- a big kick outta this
- 1930
- 01:39:45,204 --> 01:39:48,774
- and, uh, Ron was pissed off
- 1931
- 01:39:48,807 --> 01:39:52,278
- that it didn't happen
- while he was alive.
- 1932
- 01:39:52,311 --> 01:39:54,147
- I don't know how he feels about it now
- 1933
- 01:39:54,180 --> 01:39:56,815
- he's probably sitting up there in heaven
- 1934
- 01:39:56,849 --> 01:39:59,385
- having martinis with Brian Jones
- 1935
- 01:39:59,418 --> 01:40:02,488
- trying to flick ashes on our head.
- 1936
- 01:40:04,190 --> 01:40:08,227
- Music is life
- and life is not a business.
- 1937
- 01:40:09,762 --> 01:40:11,864
- Ron Asheton knew this
- 1938
- 01:40:11,897 --> 01:40:14,367
- and Ron was cool.
- 1939
- 01:40:14,400 --> 01:40:17,636
- The "MC5" are cool.
- 1940
- 01:40:17,670 --> 01:40:19,638
- [crowd cheering]
- 1941
- 01:40:19,672 --> 01:40:23,676
- My friend, Danny,
- who discovered the band is cool
- 1942
- 01:40:23,709 --> 01:40:25,844
- and Nina, my beautiful wife
- 1943
- 01:40:25,878 --> 01:40:27,513
- you're cool!
- 1944
- 01:40:29,014 --> 01:40:31,150
- All the poor people
- 1945
- 01:40:31,184 --> 01:40:33,486
- who actually started
- 1946
- 01:40:33,519 --> 01:40:35,921
- rock and roll music are cool.
- 1947
- 01:40:35,954 --> 01:40:37,156
- (female #2) Yeah!
- 1948
- 01:40:37,190 --> 01:40:40,025
- [cheering]
- 1949
- 01:40:40,059 --> 01:40:41,494
- Thank you Stooge fans!
- 1950
- 01:40:41,527 --> 01:40:43,196
- There may be three of ya up there
- 1951
- 01:40:43,229 --> 01:40:46,532
- and I'll bet there's a couple
- in the fancy seats.
- 1952
- 01:40:47,533 --> 01:40:51,437
- So thanks for being so... cool.
- 1953
- 01:40:51,470 --> 01:40:54,207
- [rock music]
- 1954
- 01:40:56,709 --> 01:40:58,211
- Yeow!
- 1955
- 01:41:17,563 --> 01:41:21,434
- * I'm so messed up I want you here *
- 1956
- 01:41:24,137 --> 01:41:27,806
- * And in my room I want you here *
- 1957
- 01:41:31,076 --> 01:41:34,580
- * And now we're gonna be face to face *
- 1958
- 01:41:37,015 --> 01:41:41,120
- * And I'll lay right down
- in my favorite place *
- 1959
- 01:41:43,922 --> 01:41:47,393
- * And now I wanna *
- 1960
- 01:41:47,426 --> 01:41:50,763
- * Now I wanna *
- 1961
- 01:41:50,796 --> 01:41:53,966
- * Now I wanna *
- 1962
- 01:41:53,999 --> 01:41:57,470
- * And now I wanna be a dog *
- 1963
- 01:42:03,942 --> 01:42:05,944
- * Now come on *
- 1964
- 01:42:05,978 --> 01:42:09,114
- [music continues]
- 1965
- 01:42:22,161 --> 01:42:24,397
- [barking]
- 1966
- 01:42:26,131 --> 01:42:29,134
- Uh! Yeah!
- 1967
- 01:42:29,168 --> 01:42:30,869
- Come on, Ron!
- 1968
- 01:42:30,903 --> 01:42:33,472
- Play! Play!
- 1969
- 01:42:37,075 --> 01:42:39,144
- [indistinct singing]
- 1970
- 01:42:43,382 --> 01:42:46,185
- * I'm in fucking Detroit *
- 1971
- 01:42:47,820 --> 01:42:50,823
- * I salute you now *
- 1972
- 01:42:50,856 --> 01:42:55,528
- * Now I'm ready to close my eyes *
- 1973
- 01:42:57,930 --> 01:43:01,667
- * Now I'm ready to feel your hand *
- 1974
- 01:43:04,570 --> 01:43:08,307
- * Lose my heart on the burning sand *
- 1975
- 01:43:08,341 --> 01:43:11,577
- (Iggy)
- Come on! Do it, Michigan!
- 1976
- 01:43:11,610 --> 01:43:15,147
- * Now I want to be your dog *
- 1977
- 01:43:15,180 --> 01:43:18,484
- * Now I want to be your dog *
- 1978
- 01:43:18,517 --> 01:43:21,920
- * Now I want to be your dog *
- 1979
- 01:43:29,762 --> 01:43:31,430
- * Well come on *
- 1980
- 01:43:42,207 --> 01:43:44,577
- * Now.. *
- 1981
- 01:43:45,878 --> 01:43:48,514
- I don't want to belong
- to the glam people
- 1982
- 01:43:48,547 --> 01:43:51,717
- I don't want to belong
- to the hip, hip-hop people
- 1983
- 01:43:51,750 --> 01:43:55,621
- I don't want to belong
- to the, to any of it.
- 1984
- 01:43:55,654 --> 01:43:59,558
- I don't want to belong
- to the TV people...
- 1985
- 01:43:59,592 --> 01:44:01,394
- ...alternative people, none of it.
- 1986
- 01:44:01,427 --> 01:44:02,795
- I don't want to be a punk.
- 1987
- 01:44:02,828 --> 01:44:04,897
- I just want to be.
- 1988
- 01:44:25,098 --> 01:44:32,875
- Synchronized and corrected from
- retail by H@w-to-kiLL @subscene
- 1989
- 01:44:33,426 --> 01:44:35,428
- [gong booming]
- 1990
- 01:44:37,029 --> 01:44:39,965
- [guitar music]
- 1991
- 01:44:54,813 --> 01:44:58,651
- * Gimme danger little stranger *
- 1992
- 01:44:58,684 --> 01:45:02,254
- * And I'll give you a piece *
- 1993
- 01:45:02,287 --> 01:45:05,791
- * Gimme danger little stranger *
- 1994
- 01:45:05,824 --> 01:45:09,528
- * And I'll feel your disease *
- 1995
- 01:45:09,562 --> 01:45:12,698
- * There's nothing in my dreams *
- 1996
- 01:45:12,731 --> 01:45:16,969
- * Just some ugly memories *
- 1997
- 01:45:17,002 --> 01:45:21,306
- * Kiss me like the ocean breeze *
- 1998
- 01:45:22,408 --> 01:45:23,976
- (Iggy)
- Hey!
- 1999
- 01:45:27,713 --> 01:45:31,484
- * Now if you will be my lover *
- 2000
- 01:45:31,517 --> 01:45:35,187
- * I will shiver insane *
- 2001
- 01:45:35,220 --> 01:45:39,024
- * But if you can be my master *
- 2002
- 01:45:39,057 --> 01:45:42,495
- * I will do anything *
- 2003
- 01:45:42,528 --> 01:45:45,698
- * There's nothing left to life *
- 2004
- 01:45:45,731 --> 01:45:49,968
- * But a pair glassy eyes *
- 2005
- 01:45:50,002 --> 01:45:54,507
- * Raze my feelings one more time **
- 2006
- 01:46:01,246 --> 01:46:04,383
- [rock music]
- 2007
- 01:46:10,188 --> 01:46:12,357
- * Alright *
- 2008
- 01:46:21,400 --> 01:46:24,770
- * Well it's 1969 okay *
- 2009
- 01:46:26,138 --> 01:46:29,041
- * All across the USA *
- 2010
- 01:46:30,443 --> 01:46:33,712
- * It's another year for me and you *
- 2011
- 01:46:35,080 --> 01:46:39,452
- * Another year with nothing to do *
- 2012
- 01:46:39,485 --> 01:46:42,521
- * It's another year for me and you *
- 2013
- 01:46:42,555 --> 01:46:44,823
- * Another year with nothing to do *
- 2014
- 01:46:53,165 --> 01:46:56,101
- * Now last year I was 21 *
- 2015
- 01:46:57,836 --> 01:47:00,573
- * I didn't have a lot of fun *
- 2016
- 01:47:01,974 --> 01:47:05,077
- * And now I'm gonna be 22 *
- 2017
- 01:47:06,645 --> 01:47:09,815
- * I say oh my and a boo-hoo *
- 2018
- 01:47:11,016 --> 01:47:14,052
- * And now I'm going to be 22 *
- 2019
- 01:47:14,086 --> 01:47:16,489
- * Oh my and a boo-hoo *
- 2020
- 01:47:20,092 --> 01:47:23,161
- * Well it's 1969 okay *
- 2021
- 01:47:24,763 --> 01:47:27,833
- * All across the USA *
- 2022
- 01:47:29,101 --> 01:47:32,471
- * It's another year for me and you *
- 2023
- 01:47:33,806 --> 01:47:36,609
- * Another year with nothing to do *
- 2024
- 01:47:42,548 --> 01:47:45,618
- * It's 1969 *
- 2025
- 01:47:47,152 --> 01:47:50,022
- * It's 1969 *
- 2026
- 01:47:51,456 --> 01:47:55,160
- * It's 1969 baby *
- 2027
- 01:48:04,803 --> 01:48:11,910
- * It's 1969 baby-y-y *
- 2028
- 01:48:25,190 --> 01:48:27,526
- * Baby *
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