[2018-05-25 00:10:31.225] ADMIN: SubtlePM: Nope.wav/(Helium XV) -> Francinum/(Francis Gallyus) : >nearly leads to a xeno contaigon
[2018-05-25 00:10:38.443] ADMIN: SubtlePM: Nope.wav/(Helium XV) -> Francinum/(Francis Gallyus) : >only xeno is a hunter.
[2018-05-25 00:10:52.400] PRAY: Francinum/(Francis Gallyus): Let's ignore that it got out.
[2018-05-25 00:12:48.764] ADMIN: SubtlePM: Nope.wav/(Helium XV) -> Francinum/(Francis Gallyus) : even ignoring that it didn't even make it to the first vent out of xenobiology alive, it's a hunter. they can't produce eggs.
[2018-05-25 00:13:19.403] PRAY: Francinum/(Francis Gallyus): It's still a dangerous entity with the ability to kill unarmed crewmembers extremely fast.
[2018-05-25 00:13:32.091] ADMIN: SubtlePM: Nope.wav/(Helium XV) -> Francinum/(Francis Gallyus) : So can literally anyone with a gun.
[2018-05-25 00:14:10.008] PRAY: Francinum/(Francis Gallyus): except people with guns are rarely stunproof and move at top speed 100% of the time
[2018-05-25 00:14:31.882] ADMIN: SubtlePM: Nope.wav/(Helium XV) -> Francinum/(Francis Gallyus) : And now you're changing the argument.
[2018-05-25 00:14:38.461] PRAY: Francinum/(Francis Gallyus): No I'm not.
[2018-05-25 00:15:11.253] ADMIN: SubtlePM: Nope.wav/(Helium XV) -> Francinum/(Francis Gallyus) : "Dangerous entities that can kill unarmed crewmembers extremely quickly"
[2018-05-25 00:15:49.154] PRAY: Francinum/(Francis Gallyus): Yes, a xeno hunter is: Unstunnable, has an innate stun, and has high brute innate melee.
[2018-05-25 00:15:51.438] ADMIN: SubtlePM: Nope.wav/(Helium XV) -> Francinum/(Francis Gallyus) : Ah, so a nightmare? ah, so a morph? ah, so a megafauna? ah, so a syndicate ambush mob?
[2018-05-25 00:16:06.289] ADMIN: SubtlePM: Nope.wav/(Helium XV) -> Francinum/(Francis Gallyus) : You just said they could kill unarmed people quickly.
[2018-05-25 00:16:14.310] ADMIN: SubtlePM: Nope.wav/(Helium XV) -> Francinum/(Francis Gallyus) : Never anything about stuns, or speed.
[2018-05-25 00:16:24.108] PRAY: Francinum/(Francis Gallyus): These help kill people quickly, welcome to our combat system
[2018-05-25 00:16:31.598] ADMIN: SubtlePM: Nope.wav/(Helium XV) -> Francinum/(Francis Gallyus) : In the same vein, you should kill the detective, because they have an instant-stun gun.
[2018-05-25 00:16:47.057] PRAY: Francinum/(Francis Gallyus): one of these is a station crewmember, the other is a hostile animal
[2018-05-25 00:17:30.443] ADMIN: SubtlePM: Nope.wav/(Helium XV) -> Francinum/(Francis Gallyus) : No, they're a hostile faction.
[2018-05-25 00:17:38.451] ADMIN: SubtlePM: Nope.wav/(Helium XV) -> Francinum/(Francis Gallyus) : Because Xenomorphs are controlled by players.
[2018-05-25 00:18:04.899] PRAY: Francinum/(Francis Gallyus): monkeys can be player controlled
[2018-05-25 00:18:16.078] PRAY: Francinum/(Francis Gallyus): literally any mob can be player controlled with enough luck or xenobio prowess
[2018-05-25 00:18:34.139] ADMIN: SubtlePM: Nope.wav/(Helium XV) -> Francinum/(Francis Gallyus) : except there are xenomorph MOBS, and Xenomorph HUMANOIDS.
[2018-05-25 00:18:54.827] PRAY: Francinum/(Francis Gallyus): I consider both of them animals, can we move to a different point.
[2018-05-25 00:19:07.757] ADMIN: SubtlePM: Nope.wav/(Helium XV) -> Francinum/(Francis Gallyus) : Alright, sure, how about the stun part.
[2018-05-25 00:19:18.027] PRAY: Francinum/(Francis Gallyus): What's your argument on that? I made mine.
[2018-05-25 00:19:28.324] ADMIN: SubtlePM: Nope.wav/(Helium XV) -> Francinum/(Francis Gallyus) : Chemistry can create a mix of chemicals for you to become immune to stuns with just the roundstart equipment they have.
[2018-05-25 00:19:38.389] ADMIN: SubtlePM: Nope.wav/(Helium XV) -> Francinum/(Francis Gallyus) : Along with chemicals to counterat the downsides.
[2018-05-25 00:19:55.321] ADMIN: SubtlePM: Nope.wav/(Helium XV) -> Francinum/(Francis Gallyus) : There are dedicated instastun tools all around the station, most of which are ranged.
[2018-05-25 00:20:00.318] PRAY: Francinum/(Francis Gallyus): Yes, they can, however, they do not spawn with it, and they eventually wear off.
[2018-05-25 00:20:06.467] PRAY: Francinum/(Francis Gallyus): those tools can be disarmed from you.
[2018-05-25 00:20:27.583] ADMIN: SubtlePM: Nope.wav/(Helium XV) -> Francinum/(Francis Gallyus) : and you can increase your melee damage by getting lizard arms, which raise them to the same level as xenomrophs.
[2018-05-25 00:20:49.783] PRAY: Francinum/(Francis Gallyus): one molment, allow me to inspect the code on that point.
[2018-05-25 00:21:27.416] ADMIN: SubtlePM: Nope.wav/(Helium XV) -> Francinum/(Francis Gallyus) : slightly below, now that I think about it, but then you can just get a xenomorph arm if you really want their melee damage.
[2018-05-25 00:21:49.350] ADMIN: SubtlePM: Nope.wav/(Helium XV) -> Francinum/(Francis Gallyus) : Xenomorphs are almost entirely locked to melee, and can't use any tools.
[2018-05-25 00:22:03.637] PRAY: Francinum/(Francis Gallyus): that requires that xenos infact exist.
[2018-05-25 00:22:09.249] PRAY: Francinum/(Francis Gallyus): and regardless, we're getting off topic.
[2018-05-25 00:22:17.914] ADMIN: SubtlePM: Nope.wav/(Helium XV) -> Francinum/(Francis Gallyus) : We're talking about Xenos existing right now.
[2018-05-25 00:22:39.636] ADMIN: SubtlePM: Nope.wav/(Helium XV) -> Francinum/(Francis Gallyus) : And about the moving at 100% speed thing
[2018-05-25 00:22:48.428] PRAY: Francinum/(Francis Gallyus): I'd like to talk about you spawning them in after I shot them, and then getting annoyed as I put it down.
[2018-05-25 00:22:58.475] ADMIN: SubtlePM: Nope.wav/(Helium XV) -> Francinum/(Francis Gallyus) : Regulated doses of 7 or less morphine will allow you to run at full speed
[2018-05-25 00:23:13.195] ADMIN: SubtlePM: Nope.wav/(Helium XV) -> Francinum/(Francis Gallyus) : I'm annoyed that you destroyed the 2% chance xenobio spawn egg.
[2018-05-25 00:23:18.323] ADMIN: SubtlePM: Nope.wav/(Helium XV) -> Francinum/(Francis Gallyus) : Because that's station faction.
[2018-05-25 00:23:25.231] ADMIN: SubtlePM: Nope.wav/(Helium XV) -> Francinum/(Francis Gallyus) : And so are ALL OF THE XENOMORPHS THAT COME FROM IT
[2018-05-25 00:23:46.329] PRAY: Francinum/(Francis Gallyus): what the hell are you on about.
[2018-05-25 00:23:52.961] PRAY: Francinum/(Francis Gallyus): they do not change faction from that goddamn egg
[2018-05-25 00:24:00.413] ADMIN: SubtlePM: Nope.wav/(Helium XV) -> Francinum/(Francis Gallyus) : Xenobiology has a 2% chance to spawn with a station faction xeno egg.
[2018-05-25 00:24:20.799] PRAY: Francinum/(Francis Gallyus): so the xenos spawned from that egg are beholden to the station?
[2018-05-25 00:24:21.215] ADMIN: SubtlePM: Nope.wav/(Helium XV) -> Francinum/(Francis Gallyus) : The facehugger inside is also station faction, and so is the embryo inside.
[2018-05-25 00:24:25.819] ADMIN: SubtlePM: Nope.wav/(Helium XV) -> Francinum/(Francis Gallyus) : Yup.
[2018-05-25 00:24:31.276] PRAY: Francinum/(Francis Gallyus): Where the fuck is this coming from.
[2018-05-25 00:24:56.231] ADMIN: SubtlePM: Nope.wav/(Helium XV) -> Francinum/(Francis Gallyus) : So when you killed it, I spawned in a new egg that lacked the station faction, because I got asked.
[2018-05-25 00:25:11.828] PRAY: Francinum/(Francis Gallyus): Xenos. Are. Xenos.
[2018-05-25 00:25:13.672] ADMIN: SubtlePM: Nope.wav/(Helium XV) -> Francinum/(Francis Gallyus) : So you've got this player panel, right? it lists your special role/faction.
[2018-05-25 00:25:19.330] PRAY: Francinum/(Francis Gallyus): They do not have a 'faction' associated with them.
[2018-05-25 00:25:29.603] PRAY: Francinum/(Francis Gallyus): you are thinking of CHANGELINGS
[2018-05-25 00:25:31.770] ADMIN: SubtlePM: Nope.wav/(Helium XV) -> Francinum/(Francis Gallyus) : You can have an antagstatus applied and stripped, and you'll keep the faction.
[2018-05-25 00:25:54.441] PRAY: Francinum/(Francis Gallyus): excuse me while I attempt to dial a headmin, as this is actually the dumbest shit I've heard in years
[2018-05-25 00:25:59.805] ADMIN: SubtlePM: Nope.wav/(Helium XV) -> Francinum/(Francis Gallyus) : So if you were to, say, become a wishgranters' chosen and had it taken from you, you wouldn't have the antagonist, but still be a wishgranters' chosen.
[2018-05-25 00:26:23.033] ADMIN: SubtlePM: Nope.wav/(Helium XV) -> Francinum/(Francis Gallyus) : Technically, it's the traitor panel.
[2018-05-25 00:26:44.528] PRAY: Francinum/(Francis Gallyus): I understand the admin tools.
[2018-05-25 00:27:10.407] ADMIN: SubtlePM: Nope.wav/(Helium XV) -> Francinum/(Francis Gallyus) : There's a seperation from your current role and your faction.
[2018-05-25 00:27:16.564] PRAY: Francinum/(Francis Gallyus): Not since I remember
[2018-05-25 00:27:29.332] ADMIN: SubtlePM: Nope.wav/(Helium XV) -> Francinum/(Francis Gallyus) : That's how the lovepotion works, it makes a new faction which is just your name, and adds whatever you slap with it to it.
[2018-05-25 00:27:29.895] PRAY: Francinum/(Francis Gallyus): Atleast, I've never seen this 'faction' ever mentioned in any ruling in the past 4 years.
[2018-05-25 00:27:48.468] PRAY: Francinum/(Francis Gallyus): Oh, you're talking about the faction var, that is only used by NPCs for friendly fire detection
[2018-05-25 00:28:05.347] PRAY: Francinum/(Francis Gallyus): and even then, that's NOT how valentines work
[2018-05-25 00:28:08.794] ADMIN: SubtlePM: Nope.wav/(Helium XV) -> Francinum/(Francis Gallyus) : Pretty much, but also for making team antags do their job.
[2018-05-25 00:28:13.691] ADMIN: SubtlePM: Nope.wav/(Helium XV) -> Francinum/(Francis Gallyus) : not VALENTINES
[2018-05-25 00:28:33.488] PRAY: Francinum/(Francis Gallyus): lovepotions make you the valentines antag, and give you the valentines objective.
[2018-05-25 00:28:59.899] ADMIN: SubtlePM: Nope.wav/(Helium XV) -> Francinum/(Francis Gallyus) : They really don't, and you can even use them on megafauna & co. to make them not attack you.
[2018-05-25 00:29:17.682] PRAY: Francinum/(Francis Gallyus): okay
[2018-05-25 00:29:23.334] PRAY: Francinum/(Francis Gallyus): are we talking about PLAYERS or SIMPLE MOBS
[2018-05-25 00:29:34.351] PRAY: Francinum/(Francis Gallyus): because only SIMPLE MOBS are forced to respect the factions var
[2018-05-25 00:29:52.613] ADMIN: SubtlePM: Nope.wav/(Helium XV) -> Francinum/(Francis Gallyus) : Players are given your faction and should work with you as if you were a team antag
[2018-05-25 00:30:09.172] ADMIN: SubtlePM: Nope.wav/(Helium XV) -> Francinum/(Francis Gallyus) : Simplemobs basically just stop attacking you, and anybody else you give the potion.
[2018-05-25 00:30:14.307] PRAY: Francinum/(Francis Gallyus): are xenos from that egg on spawn told this?
[2018-05-25 00:30:32.355] ADMIN: SubtlePM: Nope.wav/(Helium XV) -> Francinum/(Francis Gallyus) : They're given a quick mental note about it, yes.
[2018-05-25 00:30:37.162] ADMIN: SubtlePM: Nope.wav/(Helium XV) -> Francinum/(Francis Gallyus) : Nobody checks notes.
[2018-05-25 00:31:01.127] PRAY: Francinum/(Francis Gallyus): no they are not
[2018-05-25 00:31:12.453] PRAY: Francinum/(Francis Gallyus): the xeno egg spawner spawns an /obj/effect/spawner/xeno_egg_delivery
[2018-05-25 00:31:24.083] PRAY: Francinum/(Francis Gallyus): this calls new /obj/structure/alien/egg(T)
[2018-05-25 00:31:29.779] PRAY: Francinum/(Francis Gallyus): it has no special vars set on creation
[2018-05-25 00:32:21.994] ADMIN: SubtlePM: Nope.wav/(Helium XV) -> Francinum/(Francis Gallyus) : It also doesn't open when next to it on anybody, and anybody can pick up the facehugger inside without getting gronked unless they're an antagonist.
[2018-05-25 00:32:31.304] ADMIN: SubtlePM: Nope.wav/(Helium XV) -> Francinum/(Francis Gallyus) : which is actually hilariously ironic.
[2018-05-25 00:32:34.421] PRAY: Francinum/(Francis Gallyus): what the hell are you talking about>
[2018-05-25 00:32:59.173] ADMIN: SubtlePM: Nope.wav/(Helium XV) -> Francinum/(Francis Gallyus) : So you know how eggs usually open and the facehugger flies at your face when you're near them?
[2018-05-25 00:33:00.892] PRAY: Francinum/(Francis Gallyus): how long have you played on TG? because that is not how our code works, and this is never how our code has worked
[2018-05-25 00:33:49.463] ADMIN: SubtlePM: Nope.wav/(Helium XV) -> Francinum/(Francis Gallyus) : Ahem. how eggs will facehug you if you stand next to them lacking protection.
[2018-05-25 00:33:57.000] PRAY: Francinum/(Francis Gallyus): Yes, I am aware.
[2018-05-25 00:34:12.239] ADMIN: SubtlePM: Nope.wav/(Helium XV) -> Francinum/(Francis Gallyus) : The 2% egg doesn't do that, nor does the facehugger ever jump you.
[2018-05-25 00:34:23.955] PRAY: Francinum/(Francis Gallyus): Yes, it does. it spawns the same egg as any other method of spawning an egg.
[2018-05-25 00:34:28.253] ADMIN: SubtlePM: Nope.wav/(Helium XV) -> Francinum/(Francis Gallyus) : it basically functions as if everyone without a faction is a xenomorph.
[2018-05-25 00:34:32.827] PRAY: Francinum/(Francis Gallyus): No, it does not.
[2018-05-25 00:34:40.454] PRAY: Francinum/(Francis Gallyus): That. Is. Not. How. Our. Code. Works.
[2018-05-25 00:34:50.323] ADMIN: SubtlePM: Nope.wav/(Helium XV) -> Francinum/(Francis Gallyus) : Have you ever interacted with it outside of killing it?
[2018-05-25 00:35:05.855] PRAY: Francinum/(Francis Gallyus): Yes I have, I've interacted with it several times since it was added
[2018-05-25 00:35:28.609] ADMIN: SubtlePM: Nope.wav/(Helium XV) -> Francinum/(Francis Gallyus) : Unless you directly open it, it doesn't autoopen.
[2018-05-25 00:35:33.661] PRAY: Francinum/(Francis Gallyus): Yes. It. Does.
[2018-05-25 00:36:04.500] PRAY: Francinum/(Francis Gallyus): It spawns a stock xeno egg, it does not modify it at all.
[2018-05-25 00:36:07.961] ADMIN: SubtlePM: Nope.wav/(Helium XV) -> Francinum/(Francis Gallyus) : You're a diehard antag hunter, so i'm just going to drop this by now.
[2018-05-25 00:36:21.911] PRAY: Francinum/(Francis Gallyus): I'm going to have a headmin look over this conversation.
[2018-05-25 00:36:28.255] ADMIN: SubtlePM: Nope.wav/(Helium XV) -> Francinum/(Francis Gallyus) : Go for it.
[2018-05-25 00:36:34.832] PRAY: Francinum/(Francis Gallyus): because if you genuinely believe this, you have no place being an admin.
[2018-05-25 00:37:15.662] ADMIN: SubtlePM: Nope.wav/(Helium XV) -> Francinum/(Francis Gallyus) : Nobody has any place to have rights over others, but look at the universe at large.
[2018-05-25 00:45:07.763] ADMIN: SubtlePM: Nope.wav/(Helium XV) -> Francinum/(Francis Gallyus) : Feel free to file a complaint
[2018-05-25 00:45:42.955] PRAY: Francinum/(Francis Gallyus): Nope didn't do anything I can technically complain about.
[2018-05-25 00:45:58.850] ADMIN: SubtlePM: Nope.wav/(Helium XV) -> Francinum/(Francis Gallyus) : Certainly looks like it, though.
[2018-05-25 00:46:11.601] PRAY: Francinum/(Francis Gallyus): Can I get the logs of our argument?
[2018-05-25 00:46:42.751] ADMIN: SubtlePM: Nope.wav/(Helium XV) -> Francinum/(Francis Gallyus) : give me a minute.