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Transcript of Blue/Red Trojan Double Rant/Monologue

GregroxMun
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  1. Idea: An astrology war on a trojan planet of a puny star orbiting a larger star.
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  3. The Sacred Religious Texts describe astrological principles and mandatory practices relating to the zodiac constellations of the world. Depending upon interpretation of the phrase "That light, like a flame," different denominations of the religion interpret different stars to be the determinator of the religious dates.
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  5. "The bright blue sun is obviously more important to base our calendar on!"
  6.  
  7. "No you dimwits, you can't even see the constellation the bright sun is passing, with the bright red star you can tell when it passes into each constellation! Y'all need to be fasting right now!"
  8.  
  9. "It's Spacejuly 30th!"
  10.  
  11. "No, it's fucking Spaceseptember 29th, and you sinners aint fasting!"
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  13. "Wait a minute am I to hear you aren't doing your spacejuly daily pushups?"
  14.  
  15. "Of course not, it's spaceseptember, we just went over this."
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  17. "Of course you know this means war!"
  18.  
  19. "You know it!"
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  22. N.S.: that sounds painfully plausible
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  24. mockup of the system I described: https://i.imgur.com/Byv8sxh.png <---KSP Picture
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  26. N.S.: yeah, that's about what i was thinking
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  28. I didn't come up with this system, I should note
  29. it's from the same blog that came up with the Ultimate Solar System with 36 habitable zone planets
  30. https://planetplanet.net/2016/11/07/the-ultimate-trojan-2-star-planetary-system/
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  32. I should mock this up in Space Engine to get a better idea of how it would really look.
  33. At some point in the future some atheists studying the history books find it funny to start a Church Of The Giant Planet, a joke religion which insists that the sacred texts were referring to the tiny little dot in the sky: the gas giant on the other side of the red dwarf.
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  35. (And like all jokes, as they grow they eventually get some members who don't realize it's a joke)
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  37. https://i.imgur.com/8SEmetB.jpg <---Space Engine pic, depicting crescent terra with the two stars.
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  39. https://i.imgur.com/CaBXphW.jpg I forgot to change the semimajoraxis for the different planets orbiting the red star.
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  41. that poor gas giant off in the side.
  42. I bet they bullied him bc he's fat
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  44. https://i.imgur.com/gWs9FPs.jpg
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  46. Sadly, SE wants to put ice caps on the far side of the planets orbiting the red star despite the fact that they should be habitable on one side and cooked on the other. (Or cooked all over, depending upon the atmosphere)
  47. I don't think SE is really capable of handling this (and why should it, it would almost never make something like this on its own.)
  48. It renders everything accurately
  49. but planet generation fails.
  50. This system probably can't happen naturally, red dwarfs take so long to leave the pre-main-sequence that they'd just be lighting up as the blue star is growing old.
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  52. But then again, a PMS Red Dwarf is basically a brown dwarf, and all you really need to get the planets habitable to begin with is the light of the blue star. So the planets can finish forming even if the star isn't yet fusing Hydrogen, while the blue star is bright to give light until the red dwarf ignites. At that point, the red dwarf scorches the near side of the nearby planets and x-rays the near side of all of them. The far side is safe so long as the atmospheres of the planets are relatively thin.
  53. Then of course the blue star goes to the red giant branch and cooks the red dwarf's planets.
  54. (and its own)
  55. The thing is you need the blue star because the langrange points aren't stable unless the big star is 25 times more massive than the little star.
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  57. Minimum main sequence mass is 0.08 Msol, so the minimum mass of the big star has to be 2 Msol.
  58. 2 Msol has a lifetime of something like 1 billion years instead of 10.
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  60. https://i.imgur.com/xBlQ1xT.jpg <--- Gas Giant System, looking at Red Dwarf System
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  62. Ooh, this suggests that you could actually see the planets as distinct objects in the sky around the red dwarf
  63. I need a model of brown dwarf temperature over time. //So I can see if it's plausible to replace the M-dwarf with LYT-dwarf.
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  65. Right so wiki says high mass Brown Dwarfs will stop undergoing deuterium fusion after only 10 million years. The difference between planemos and stars is that stars will generally become more hot during the main sequence, while brown dwarfs will start cooling down after the 10 million years of deuterium fusion.
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  67. N.S.: wait what?
  68. N.S.: only that long?
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  70. yeah
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  72. their temperature remains warm enough until about 10 billion years to put a planet around it, but the problem then is the brown dwarf changes its habitable zone significantly after it finishes D fusion.
  73. the hab zone actually goes inwards
  74. rather than outwards
  75. so overheated planets could become cooler... if they hadn't already lost all their water they could be habitable
  76.  
  77. //Tangent conversation about object classifications regarding planemos.
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  79. I guess you could have a planet right next to the roche limit for the brown dwarf during the BD's infrared stage.
  80. So you would have a planet heated by invisible light.
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  82. I'm sure the life on the surface would see in infrared, but any human colonists or explorers would be in the dark.
  83. With futuristic genetic modification I'm sure you could change the sensitive wavelengths of human cone cells. (If they need to have the ability to ever return to a star system, they'd probably want a visible light cone cell and a very wide band of rod sensitivity.)
  84. If you believe that gas giant floater life is possible, you could imagine they could evolve on a brown dwarf as it cools.
  85. Though it occurs to me that the atmospheric pressure scale height would be tiny, a brown dwarf might have 60 gees of gravity at the cloud tops.
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  87. Universe Sandbox, for whatever reason, won't let you put things in either binary orbits or lagrange point orbits.
  88. OK it took some messing around but I got it.
  89. I'm modelling asteroids around this system. (I'm calling it Raymond and Sean for now, after Sean Raymond who came up with the idea.) //Final names are Counsol and Sheaun.
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  91. Asteroids get launched when they fly by Sean, because holy crap it's like 80 jupiters all smashed up into something as big as Jupiter. Sean would be terrific to slingshot off of, and this mechanic would make it really interesting to play in KSP so I'm definitely trying that. Astronomers would probably end up discovering asteroids that were ejected into long period cometary orbits.
  92. Sean can even slingshot asteroids straight into the two trojan systems if it's having a bad day
  93. and we're talking about tremendous speeds too
  94. 65 km/s for one example.
  95. one just clocked in at 130 km/s.
  96. I mean imagine using this as a slingshot to get to another star system!
  97. A close by one perhaps
  98. Or the other planets.
  99. Or you could use it as a weapon on a budget. Use a relatively stealthy spacecraft (maybe say it's just a routine space probe) to deliver a rod from the gods at 120 km/s using a single well-placed Sean flyby.
  100. 216 km/s shot on one occasion.
  101. OK I won't bore you anymore with velocity numbers, I'll go to sleep instead.
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  103. //Cassini Funeral Day Happens
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  105. *I can fix the blue/red trojan system*
  106.  
  107. Replace the blue star with two sun-like stars orbiting as close as they possibly can
  108. They would have the normal 10 billion year solar lifetime
  109. and it would add cool points bc it's now a triple-star system
  110. it removes some cool points though bc it's no longer a colorful binary
  111. I'm not sure if I'd do it for the Kerbalized version because Sigma Binary doesn't support barycentric orbits to my knowledge.
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