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  1. Full Logs of Unibot's "Training Server" -
  2.  
  3. Usernames of Present Individuals:
  4. [TCF][NSIDC] Abidawe - Abidawe#3234
  5. [TCF][NSDIC] Trillius - Trillius#8271
  6. AJ - AJ#2033
  7. Arenque Rojo - Arenque Rojo#7033 (
  8. Ecidium - Excidium#2071
  9. Hybera - John 1764#1966 - Also Present in NS Mentor Discord and The Rejected Realms Discord - **NAMECHANGED TO : Midenbourg**
  10. Jutomi~ - Jutomi~#0169
  11. S P A C E M A N - S P A C E M A N#1761
  12. Separatist Peoples - Separatist Peoples#3744
  13. Abhichandra - Abhichanrda#5903
  14. Crystalsummer - Crystalsummer#5562 - Also Present in Lazarus, NPO Official, R/D Games, The North Pacific, The Rejected Realms
  15. Mepes - Mepes#9313 - RED FLAG: user also present in Coraxion's private server
  16. New Jarwel - Biggest Michigan State Fan Ever#5412
  17. Separatist Peoples - Separatist Peoples#9153
  18. The Pkunk Alliance - aquaticidealist#6555
  19. Unibot - Unibot#3291
  20. Bastiat - Bastiat#2777
  21. Urthanas - #Akkara#5329
  22.  
  23. ALL TIMES in Eastern Time
  24.  
  25.  
  26. Jutomi~ joined. You must construct additional pylons.Last Tuesday at 8:26 PM
  27. [8:26 PM] Unibot: Hey!
  28. [8:26 PM] Jutomi~: Hi :3
  29. Excidium is here, as the prophecy foretold.Last Tuesday at 8:34 PM
  30. [8:34 PM] Unibot: Hey!
  31. [8:34 PM] Excidium: Hello
  32. [8:35 PM] Unibot: ^___^
  33. [8:35 PM] Excidium: So, what is the plan?
  34. [8:36 PM] Jutomi~: I'm doing some black market business so idk
  35. [8:36 PM] Unibot: I'm still thinking 11 PM EST / 8 West Coast time
  36. [8:36 PM] Excidium: Also, who is Jutomi?
  37. [8:36 PM] Unibot: Hehe
  38. [8:36 PM] Unibot: Jutomi is an Issue writer
  39. [8:36 PM] Jutomi~: Indeed. :laughing:
  40. [8:36 PM] Unibot: ^___^
  41. [8:36 PM] Excidium: I see. Pulling people in from all over NS, huh?
  42. [8:36 PM] Unibot: Excidium is a WA Author
  43. [8:36 PM] Unibot: Heh
  44. [8:36 PM] Jutomi~: Ah, greetings!
  45. [8:37 PM] Unibot: I used to defend with friggin' everyone man you have no idea.
  46. PM] Unibot: Issue writers, WA Authors, NS Sporters, Roleplayers, Generalites.
  47. [8:37 PM] Excidium: Next you'll be telling me that the NS sports people are coming.
  48. [8:37 PM] Excidium: Ninja'd
  49. [8:37 PM] Unibot: I wish. They're really good.
  50. [8:37 PM] Unibot: NS Sports defenders are almost as good as the Dutch. :stuck_out_tongue:
  51. [8:38 PM] Unibot: That's an inside joke: the Dutch and Belgians are notoriously prolific defenders in NS.
  52. [8:38 PM] Unibot: Because defending basically began in the Benelux subcommunity and spread outward as practice.
  53. [8:38 PM] Unibot: *as a
  54. [8:38 PM] Excidium: I figured it was because update came at 9 AM for them.
  55. [8:39 PM] Excidium: No wait.
  56. [8:39 PM] Unibot: Update comes at 4/4 or 5/5
  57. [8:39 PM] Excidium: They are 9 hours ahead of West coast time. Not EST
  58. [8:39 PM] Unibot: It's a nasty time zone.
  59. [8:39 PM] Excidium: So that would be like 6 AM, right?
  60. [8:39 PM] Unibot: They just defend well because they're crazy.
  61. [8:39 PM] Unibot: Yeah 5/5 or 6/6 actually.
  62. [8:40 PM] Unibot: I met Ravania in Belgium for RL :smiley:
  63. [8:40 PM] Unibot: He's a great chap.
  64. [8:40 PM] Unibot: Very good defender.
  65. [8:41 PM] Jutomi~: Nice :3
  66. [8:41 PM] Unibot: Heh.
  67. [8:41 PM] Unibot: We had pancakes if I recall.
  68. [8:41 PM] Excidium: Not waffles?
  69. [8:41 PM] Unibot: Yes sorry
  70. [8:41 PM] Unibot: Waffles.
  71. [8:41 PM] Unibot: Very good waffles.
  72. [8:41 PM] Unibot: I also met Sedgistan and Crazygirl in London.
  73. [8:41 PM] Unibot: We had crepes. :stuck_out_tongue:
  74. [8:42 PM] Unibot: That was a fun meet-up.
  75. [8:42 PM] Excidium: Belgian waffles. Yes. I was about to say that it couldn't have really been in Belgium if you had pancakes instead of waffles.
  76. [8:42 PM] Unibot: Yeah sorry. It just slipped out of my tongue.
  77. [8:42 PM] Unibot: This was ...
  78. [8:43 PM] Unibot: Oh god what's the town's name
  79. [8:43 PM] Unibot: Not Bruge
  80. [8:43 PM] Unibot: Ghent
  81. [8:43 PM] Unibot: ^_^
  82. [8:45 PM] Unibot: If a rather dazed and confused newbie named Hybera joins here, and I'm not here, tell him 11 PM EST for me. :stuck_out_tongue:
  83. [8:45 PM] Jutomi~: Alrighty. :thumbsup:
  84. [8:46 PM] Unibot: Cool. I'm just going to take some time to talk with the girlfriend and be a good boyfriend.
  85. [8:46 PM] Unibot: Hah!
  86. [8:46 PM] Jutomi~: aw, sweet <3
  87. [8:47 PM] Excidium: So...
  88. [8:47 PM] Excidium: How about them local sports team?
  89. [8:48 PM] Jutomi~: Idk, I don't watch sports. :stuck_out_tongue:
  90. [8:48 PM] Excidium: Neither do I.
  91. [8:48 PM] Excidium: Great, we have something in common.
  92. [8:49 PM] Unibot: Hah
  93. [8:49 PM] Unibot: Neither do I !
  94. [8:49 PM] Excidium: Betcha it would be different if NS sporters were here.(edited)
  95. [8:49 PM] Excidium: Curses autocorrect.
  96. [8:50 PM] Excidium: @Jutomi~ do you have another NS nation?
  97. [8:50 PM] Jutomi~: I have 30. :3
  98. [8:50 PM] Excidium: The nation Jutomi only has 9 posts...
  99. [8:50 PM] Jutomi~: My main nation is Jutsa.
  100. [8:50 PM] Jutomi~: Jutomi was my 9th nation. :laughing:
  101. [8:51 PM] Unibot: True story: NS Sporters do actually like Sports a lot
  102. [8:52 PM] Excidium: Excidium Planetis is my 4th nation.
  103. [8:52 PM] Unibot: Unibot III is probably like my 200th nation :stuck_out_tongue:
  104. [8:52 PM] Excidium: Two of the previous three are now CTE but my second nation I "maintain" (read: revive from death every month or so)
  105. [8:53 PM] Jutomi~: lol
  106. [8:53 PM] Excidium: Eh, you GPers need the puppets though.(edited)
  107. [8:54 PM] Jutomi~: All of my nations but 1 and 5 have been dead most of the time since their creation. 5 is closer to 50-50, as I've kept it alive for longer. Nation 2 was slightly longer as well, albeit not by much. Jutsa is, I believe, my only nation that has not CTEd.
  108. [8:54 PM] Excidium: Excidium, sadly, has CTE'd. Once.
  109. [8:55 PM] Unibot: :frowning:
  110. [8:57 PM] Jutomi~: I'm actually not 100% certain Jutsa's not CTE'd before, but I'm more-or-less 90% certain.
  111. [8:57 PM] Excidium: I kinda forgot about NS while transitioning between Highschool and College.
  112. [8:58 PM] Excidium: It was CTE for about 6 months.
  113. [8:58 PM] Excidium: I think.
  114. [8:58 PM] Jutomi~: I just got overwhelmed, since I was trying to run 25 nations at once, and took hiatus.
  115. [8:59 PM] Unibot: I became the most prolific WA Author of all time, ran the largest defender organization ever, and became the delegate of a GCR - who needs SCHOOL?
  116. [8:59 PM] Unibot: :stuck_out_tongue:
  117. [8:59 PM] Unibot: School is important, I kid.
  118. bug just joined the server - glhf!Last Tuesday at 9:00 PM
  119. [9:00 PM] Unibot: Hello Bug!
  120. [9:00 PM] Jutomi~: Meanwhile I escaped a corrupt dictatorship's rule to a five-membered region and became the minister of foreign affairs.
  121. [9:01 PM] Unibot: Hmmm
  122. [9:01 PM] Unibot: I hope that wasn't some kind of 'spy'
  123. [9:01 PM] Jutomi~: Naeh
  124. [9:01 PM] Unibot: I imagine it was just the newbie I'm expecting to attend
  125. [9:02 PM] Jutomi~: Are spies fairly common in GP? :stuck_out_tongue:
  126. [9:01 PM] Jutomi~: Naeh
  127. [9:01 PM] Unibot: I imagine it was just the newbie I'm expecting to attend
  128. [9:02 PM] Jutomi~: Are spies fairly common in GP? :stuck_out_tongue:
  129. [9:03 PM] Unibot: Not particularly.
  130. Welcome, John 1764. Stay awhile and listen.Last Tuesday at 9:04 PM
  131. [9:04 PM] Jutomi~: Greetings~
  132. [9:04 PM] Hybera: Hullo
  133. [9:05 PM] Unibot: Hey
  134. [9:05 PM] Unibot: How are you? :smiley:
  135. [9:05 PM] Hybera: Well
  136. [9:05 PM] Unibot: This is Hybera everyone.
  137. [9:05 PM] Unibot: Founder of Nexlas.
  138. [9:06 PM] Unibot: Roleplayer by trait. :smiley:
  139. [9:06 PM] Jutomi~: Phew, for a moment I thought you typed Hydra and I was horribly confused. :laughing:
  140. [9:06 PM] Unibot: Jutomi is Jutsa, an Issue Writer.
  141. [9:06 PM] Unibot: And Excidium who will also be attending is Excidium Planets, a WA Author.
  142. [9:06 PM] Hybera: and editor?
  143. [9:06 PM] Jutomi~: A relatively new one, I should mention.
  144. [9:06 PM] Jutomi~: Nope.
  145. [9:06 PM] Unibot: I believe just writer.
  146. [9:06 PM] Hybera: Oh
  147. [9:07 PM] Unibot: I've certainly defended with Issue Editors though. :stuck_out_tongue:
  148. 7 PM] Unibot: I've invited Candle to the big liberation on the horizon.
  149. [9:07 PM] Jutomi~: Oh, CWA, nice. :3
  150. [9:07 PM] Unibot: But Glen-Rhodes and Luna Amore were always mainstays of the defender community.
  151. [9:08 PM] Unibot: Now, Hybera, just so you know - there's some West Coasters attending this training session so I figured we would start a bit later to accomidate them.
  152. [9:08 PM] Unibot: Is that okay?
  153. [9:09 PM] Unibot: We were thinking two hours from now. 11 PM EST. We would keep it short. But if that's too late for you, we could try to start earlier.
  154. [9:10 PM] Hybera: I actually have to go and I will come back on in the morning
  155. [9:11 PM] Jutomi~: Aw, ok
  156. [9:11 PM] Unibot: Oh okay.
  157. [9:11 PM] Unibot: Not a problem.
  158. [9:11 PM] Unibot: I won't be around I'm afraid in the morning.
  159. [9:11 PM] Unibot: But we can reschedule for training.
  160. [9:11 PM] Unibot: That's no biggie.
  161. [9:12 PM] Unibot: Before you go, Hybera
  162. [9:12 PM] Unibot: He's gone.
  163. [9:12 PM] Unibot: Okay.
  164. [9:12 PM] Jutomi~: :p
  165. [9:12 PM] Unibot: :stuck_out_tongue:
  166. [9:12 PM] Unibot: Haha
  167. [9:12 PM] Unibot: Jutsa must think I'm an idiot. :stuck_out_tongue:
  168. [9:12 PM] Jutomi~: Naeh, not at all. :laughing:
  169. [9:12 PM] Unibot: Okay I'm off for a bit. :stuck_out_tongue:
  170. [9:12 PM] Jutomi~: I make that mistake all too often.
  171. [9:12 PM] Jutomi~: Alrighty, take care. :3
  172. [9:13 PM] Unibot: Heh
  173. Abhichandra just arrived. Seems OP - please nerf.Last Tuesday at 9:16 PM
  174. [9:16 PM] Abhichandra: Hey
  175. [9:16 PM] Jutomi~: Hiya :3
  176. [9:17 PM] Unibot: Hey Abhi!
  177. [9:17 PM] Unibot: Glad you could join us.
  178. [9:17 PM] Unibot: We're still planning to start a bit later in two hours if that's okay.
  179. [9:18 PM] Unibot: But even if you were to hang around to log the lesson, that'd be good.
  180. [9:18 PM] Unibot: But if you can join us, even better!
  181. [9:18 PM] Abhichandra: I unfortunately may not be able to make the training session tonight, I feel really bad :slight_frown:
  182. [9:18 PM] Unibot: No worries, will you be able to attend part of it perhaps?
  183. [9:18 PM] Abhichandra: I'll try
  184. [9:19 PM] Unibot: Okay
  185. [9:19 PM] Unibot: Is earlier better for you?
  186. [9:19 PM] Unibot: Or latter?
  187. [9:19 PM] Unibot: *later?
  188. [9:19 PM] Unibot: I was trying to accomidate you and the other West Coaster.
  189. [9:19 PM] Abhichandra: Earlier is a little better, but if it's on Discord I'll just read through the messages
  190. [9:20 PM] Unibot: It's here.
  191. [9:20 PM] Abhichandra: in the morning
  192. [9:20 PM] Abhichandra: Ok, I'll see if I can make it on
  193. [9:20 PM] Unibot: Okay so we'll start as early as possible.
  194. [9:20 PM] Unibot: But still aiming for 11
  195. [9:20 PM] Abhichandra: If I can't just fill me in tomorrow :wink:
  196. [9:20 PM] Abhichandra: Ok
  197. [9:20 PM] Unibot: Just, if folks seem to be online before 11
  198. [9:20 PM] Unibot: I'll start it early.
  199. [9:20 PM] Jutomi~: I'm going to have my second dinner now. :3
  200. [9:20 PM] Abhichandra: Ok
  201. [9:20 PM] Abhichandra: lol
  202. [9:20 PM] Unibot: I did too :smiley:
  203. [9:20 PM] Jutomi~: I could explain why it's my second
  204. [9:21 PM] Abhichandra: why
  205. [9:21 PM] Jutomi~: I had a small breakfast and somewhat small and early lunch :p
  206. [9:21 PM] Unibot: Jutomi is Jutsa, an Issue Writer. Excidium is a WA Author.
  207. [9:21 PM] Abhichandra: oh nice
  208. [9:21 PM] Jutomi~: So essentially I split my dinner up into two, somewhat smaller meals.
  209. [9:21 PM] Unibot: Hybera is the founder of Nexlas.
  210. [9:21 PM] Jutomi~: I shall return. :3
  211. [9:21 PM] Unibot: Cool :smiley:
  212. [9:22 PM] Unibot: See you then!
  213. [9:22 PM] Abhichandra: Yeah, Excidium was in my IA resolution
  214. [9:22 PM] Unibot: nods
  215. [9:22 PM] Unibot: Cool.
  216. [9:23 PM] Abhichandra: this made me laugh so hard :joy:
  217.  
  218. [9:23 PM] Unibot: Bahaha
  219. [9:23 PM] Unibot: I missed Sanc
  220. [9:23 PM] Abhichandra: I wasn't founded when they were here, but they sounded cool
  221. [9:23 PM] Unibot: He was a defender and a member of my first region, Dharma
  222. [9:23 PM] Unibot: Dharma was a region for WA Authors.
  223. [9:23 PM] Unibot: It also defended.
  224. [9:24 PM] Abhichandra: is it still a region?
  225. [9:24 PM] Unibot: Nope, it died a long time ago, I'm afraid.
  226. [9:24 PM] Abhichandra: oh
  227. [9:24 PM] Unibot: I've been playing for a long time :p
  228. [9:25 PM] Abhichandra: I'll have to telegram my WA Delegate saying he'll have to lose status during this mission
  229. [9:28 PM] Unibot: Oh
  230. [9:28 PM] Unibot: There's no mission tonight.
  231. [9:28 PM] Unibot: No need.
  232. [9:28 PM] Unibot: Oh you mean during the mission.
  233. [9:28 PM] Abhichandra: I know, I meant I'll telegram him when it happens
  234. [9:28 PM] Abhichandra: yeah
  235. [9:28 PM] Unibot: I could teach you how to avoid that problem.
  236. [9:28 PM] Abhichandra: how?
  237. [9:29 PM] Unibot: During this training session, I'll make a note to teach you how.
  238. [9:29 PM] Abhichandra: ok
  239. [9:29 PM] Unibot: So even if you're offline, it'll be in the logs for you.
  240. [9:29 PM] Abhichandra: ok
  241. [9:29 PM] Abhichandra: just ping me then
  242. [9:29 PM] Abhichandra: so I can find it if I'm offline
  243. [9:29 PM] Unibot: Okay. :smiley:
  244. [9:58 PM] Jutomi~: back. :
  245. [9:58 PM] Abhichandra: how was your second dinner?
  246. [9:59 PM] Jutomi~: Marvelous. I had minstrone and a raisinbread cheese sandwich :p
  247. [9:59 PM] Abhichandra: sounds good!
  248. [10:00 PM] Jutomi~: I mean, most people don't have toasted cheese sandwiches with raisinbread(to my knowledge), but fairly recently Miju was in the mood for some, and we didn't have any normal bread, and I figured that raisin bread was a good idea, so I tested it. Indeed, while not my best idea, it turned out to be a somewhat good idea.
  249. [10:02 PM] Unibot: Does anyone know New Jarwel here?
  250. [10:03 PM] Jutomi~: I don't. :p
  251. [10:03 PM] Unibot: Okay
  252. [10:03 PM] Abhichandra: no
  253. [10:05 PM] Unibot: Okay I was just looking on the NS Site for people online who we might know and who might be interested in getting trained for a liberation.
  254. [10:18 PM] Excidium: How long is the training, approximately?
  255. [10:19 PM] Excidium: Also, hello Abhichandra.
  256. [10:19 PM] Abhichandra: hello!
  257. [10:19 PM] Excidium: If you were the one who wrote a Commendation for IA, I think maybe we exchanged a few words on NS.
  258. [10:19 PM] Abhichandra: Yeah
  259. [10:52 PM] Unibot: Okay guys
  260. [10:52 PM] Unibot: We'll start shortly.
  261. [10:52 PM] Unibot: Just getting a tea. :smiley:
  262. [10:53 PM] Excidium: Just finishing up watching John Wicke Chapter 2.
  263. [10:53 PM] Unibot: Cool
  264. [10:53 PM] Unibot: Jutsa is around I hope
  265. [10:54 PM] Jutomi~: Yep
  266. [10:55 PM] Unibot: Cool
  267. [10:55 PM] Unibot: Do you both have WA nations?
  268. [10:55 PM] Jutomi~: I don't, but I could easily join it on one. :p
  269. [10:56 PM] Excidium: Yes.
  270. [10:56 PM] Jutomi~: I used to. Actually, I've had three nations in the WA (at separate times, of course).
  271. [10:56 PM] Unibot: Okay.
  272. [10:56 PM] Jutomi~: Want me to join the WA as one of my alts? :laughing:
  273. [10:56 PM] Unibot: Yes please.
  274. [10:57 PM] Unibot: Back in my day, it took twelve hours to join the WA!
  275. [10:57 PM] Unibot: THINK OF THE AGONY
  276. [10:57 PM] Jutomi~: Got any wa category preferences?
  277. [10:57 PM] Jutomi~: I've got one alt in almost each :stuck_out_tongue:
  278. [10:57 PM] Unibot: Nope :stuck_out_tongue:
  279. [10:57 PM] Unibot: ^__^
  280. [10:57 PM] Unibot: You're amazing, I love it.
  281. [10:57 PM] Jutomi~: Okeedokee, just any random one then? :stuck_out_tongue:
  282. [10:57 PM] Jutomi~: Aw, thanks >ω<
  283. [10:58 PM] Jutomi~: Ah, Yukjuleide. That's supposed to be a foreign-aidy nation, even though it didn't really do such. That's my most liberationy kind of nation I have.
  284. Welcome, Biggest Michigan State Fan Ever. Stay awhile and listen.Last Tuesday at 10:59 PM
  285. [10:59 PM] Jutomi~: even though it also has loads of drugged out hippies.
  286. [10:59 PM] Jutomi~: Hello~
  287. [10:59 PM] Abhichandra: hello
  288. [10:59 PM] Unibot: Hi
  289. [10:59 PM] Abhichandra: Did I miss anything
  290. [10:59 PM] Unibot: Not anything!
  291. [10:59 PM] Abhichandra: ok
  292. [10:59 PM] Unibot: We haven't begun.
  293. [10:59 PM] Abhichandra: oh ok
  294. [10:59 PM] Unibot: Hi New Jarwel
  295. [10:59 PM] Abhichandra: Welcome New Jarwel!
  296. [10:59 PM] New Jarwel: Hello
  297. [11:00 PM] New Jarwel: Hello
  298. [11:00 PM] New Jarwel: Hello To All
  299. [11:00 PM] Unibot: So New Jarwel happened to be online when I contacted him.
  300. [11:00 PM] Excidium: I see.
  301. [11:00 PM] Unibot: So I figured, what the hell, might as well bring him in.
  302. [11:00 PM] Excidium: Hello.
  303. [11:00 PM] Unibot: And
  304. [11:00 PM] Unibot: You'll love this, Excidium
  305. [11:00 PM] Unibot: He's a NS Sporter!
  306. [11:01 PM] Unibot: I was explaining to the crowd here, New Jarwel, NS Sporters make the best defenders. :stuck_out_tongue:
  307. [11:01 PM] Jutomi~: Hello :3
  308. [11:01 PM] Unibot: So I should introduce you guys once more quickly to New Jarwel.
  309. [11:01 PM] New Jarwel: Thank you for bringing me to this but I have to get off. Getting late In the Eastern Time Zone
  310. [11:01 PM] Unibot: Jutsa is an Issue writer. Excidium is a WA Author, Abhichandra is a region founder and a SC author.
  311. [11:01 PM] Unibot: Oh sorry New Jarwel
  312. [11:02 PM] Abhichandra: and issue author!
  313. [11:02 PM] Unibot: Basically we were going to talk about a future liberation.
  314. [11:02 PM] New Jarwel: I'll get the info tomorrow morning
  315. [11:02 PM] New Jarwel: ok
  316. [11:02 PM] Unibot: And how to liberate.
  317. [11:02 PM] Unibot: No worries.
  318. [11:02 PM] Jutomi~: I'm a relatively new author, although I intend to get quite involved.
  319. [11:02 PM] Unibot: Hehe
  320. [11:02 PM] Unibot: So I guess that's us then.
  321. [11:02 PM] Unibot: Do we all have WA accounts?
  322. [11:02 PM] Excidium: Yep.
  323. [11:02 PM] Abhichandra: yep
  324. [11:03 PM] Jutomi~: Uh, let me just confirm Yukjuleide right quick.
  325. [11:03 PM] Unibot: I know Abhi is immobile
  326. [11:03 PM] Unibot: Well sort of
  327. [11:03 PM] Excidium: I'd like to add that I am also a roleplayer.
  328. [11:03 PM] Unibot: A region is counting on him for an endo
  329. [11:03 PM] Abhichandra: I mean, I can switch
  330. [11:03 PM] Unibot: But we won't be moving during update.
  331. [11:03 PM] Unibot: Oh okay, Excidium :smiley:
  332. [11:03 PM] Abhichandra: I would be happy to switch for this :smiley:
  333. [11:04 PM] Jutomi~: Haven't gotten the WA confirmation yet. :p
  334. [11:04 PM] Unibot: It comes instantly!
  335. [11:04 PM] Unibot: Check your spam box
  336. [11:04 PM] Excidium: I have WA status, you want me to switch to a puppet?
  337. [11:04 PM] Abhichandra: same?
  338. [11:05 PM] Excidium: I don't want to move my main nation.
  339. [11:05 PM] Jutomi~: I did... hmm
  340. [11:05 PM] Excidium: I'm not actually endorsing my delegate so if I switch it won't matter.
  341. [11:05 PM] Excidium: You know, yeah, let me just switch it.
  342. [11:05 PM] Unibot: Sure switch if you like
  343. [11:05 PM] Abhichandra: I'll switch later, just remind me
  344. [11:05 PM] Jutomi~: Woah, that's weird. Now NS is telling me this account doesn't have an email, even though I just updated it to have one. >.>
  345. [11:06 PM] Unibot: Well, we're going to begin with a demonstration
  346. [11:06 PM] Jutomi~: Ah, nvm, I just had to regenerate or whatever.
  347. [11:06 PM] Unibot: So get your WA accounts sorted out :stuck_out_tongue:
  348. [11:06 PM] Jutomi~: Maybe I can't join because this account's in an anti-wa region? :laughing:
  349. [11:08 PM] Unibot: Haha
  350. [11:08 PM] Unibot: I don't think so :stuck_out_tongue:
  351. [11:08 PM] Abhichandra: lol
  352. [11:08 PM] Jutomi~: Weird, it says it sent me an email but I don't see it... it's definitely the right email though :ɪ
  353. [11:09 PM] Excidium: Check spam folder.
  354. [11:09 PM] Jutomi~: Yep, not there either. :ᴘ
  355. [11:09 PM] Unibot: Hmmm
  356. [11:09 PM] Excidium: Alright, I have switched my WA status to Silent Fleet.
  357. [11:09 PM] Unibot: You can resubmit, Jutsa
  358. [11:09 PM] Unibot: Like you can push the button again
  359. [11:10 PM] Unibot: Nice, Excidium
  360. [11:10 PM] Abhichandra: I'm going to switch to a nation called Blianiato (in TNP)
  361. [11:10 PM] Jutomi~: Yeah, I did a couple minutes ago... didn't seem to work. I'll try restarting my browser and trying again. :p
  362. [11:10 PM] Unibot: Hmmm
  363. [11:10 PM] Jutomi~: If that doesn't work, I may want to try a different nation. >.>
  364. [11:10 PM] Unibot: That shouldn't be necessary
  365. [11:10 PM] Excidium: That was a puppet I used to count as a TNP resident for masking. It's currently in TSP.
  366. [11:10 PM] Excidium: Which is fitting, I think. TSP is a defender aligned region, right?
  367. [11:10 PM] Unibot: Is it a Gmail account, Jutsa
  368. [11:11 PM] Unibot: TSP is defender aligned yeah
  369. [11:11 PM] Jutomi~: Nope
  370. [11:11 PM] Abhichandra: what about TNP
  371. [11:11 PM] Unibot: TNP is 'independent'
  372. [11:11 PM] Abhichandra: oh ok
  373. [11:11 PM] Unibot: My thoughts on that are complicated
  374. [11:12 PM] Unibot: I find they're often pro-invader, basically.
  375. [11:12 PM] Unibot: I've had my run-ins with them though.
  376. [11:12 PM] Unibot: So I'm not terribly unbiased.
  377. [11:13 PM] Jutomi~: Meh, I tried applying on another alt. I'll give it a bit, but I still don't have anything from ns.
  378. [11:13 PM] Unibot: Hmmm
  379. [11:13 PM] Jutomi~: Very confuzzled.
  380. [11:13 PM] Abhichandra: post in technical?
  381. [11:13 PM] Unibot: Which account did you apply?
  382. [11:13 PM] Jutomi~: I'm thinking the WA hates me because I've rejected it. :p
  383. [11:13 PM] Jutomi~: Well, I tried applying twice as Yukjuleide, and just now I tried it as Suwarbtoubleichlandia.
  384. [11:14 PM] Abhichandra: lol that's a long name :joy:
  385. [11:14 PM] Jutomi~: Yeah, 14th and 2nd ever created nations I think...
  386. [11:14 PM] Jutomi~: Suwarbtoubleichlandia started out as my overtly evil nation, and a psychotic dictatorship. I then rectified it and turned it into a libertarian police state. :stuck_out_tongue:
  387. [11:14 PM] Unibot: Hehe
  388. [11:15 PM] Abhichandra: Uni, want me to switch now?
  389. [11:15 PM] Excidium: Are you sure you have no current WA nations?
  390. [11:15 PM] Unibot: Yup go for it, Abhi
  391. [11:15 PM] Abhichandra: ok
  392. [11:15 PM] Jutomi~: I'm near certain... but it wouldn't hurt to double check. :thinking:
  393. [11:15 PM] Excidium: That shouldn't matter, I think, since multiing usually just results in WA bans, not just not sending an email.
  394. [11:15 PM] Unibot: Exactly
  395. [11:16 PM] Excidium: Try a different email, maybe?
  396. [11:16 PM] Unibot: Multi'ing is only a problem when you accept the email
  397. [11:16 PM] Unibot: Okay Jutomi, I've got an idea
  398. [11:16 PM] Jutomi~: Hmm. very odd. Could be I'm doing something wrong; it wouldn't surprise me. I just haven't figured out what's wrong yet. :p
  399. [11:17 PM] Jutomi~: Alrighty.
  400. [11:17 PM] Unibot: Change your email to richard.dcfla@gmail.com. Apply to join the WA.
  401. [11:17 PM] Jutomi~: I'd restart my browser but I'm also uploading something that's close to done. :p
  402. [11:17 PM] Unibot: Then I'll forward you the email
  403. [11:17 PM] Unibot: To your email account.
  404. [11:17 PM] Unibot: You can message me with your email.
  405. [11:17 PM] Excidium: Can't we just get the join link?
  406. [11:17 PM] Jutomi~: Alrighty
  407. [11:18 PM] Excidium: And have Jutsa open the link?
  408. [11:18 PM] Jutomi~: Meh, just have to wait two minutes. :p
  409. [11:18 PM] Unibot: That means the account is attached to me.
  410. [11:18 PM] Unibot: Tell me when you've done it, Jutsa. :smiley:
  411. [11:18 PM] Jutomi~: Alrighty.
  412. [11:19 PM] Jutomi~: Sorry it's taking so long. If I knew there'd be this kind of problem, I'd have started half an hour ago. :laughing:
  413. [11:19 PM] Unibot: Yeah this wild
  414. [11:19 PM] Unibot: I've never had this before.
  415. [11:20 PM] Abhichandra: @Unibot Is it okay if some TNP'ers know that Blianiato is my puppet?
  416. [11:20 PM] Unibot: Sure
  417. [11:20 PM] Abhichandra: ok
  418. [11:20 PM] Excidium: Just don't tell them you switched for fenda practice
  419. [11:20 PM] Abhichandra: yah I won't
  420. [11:20 PM] Abhichandra: I stopped talking on their Discord
  421. [11:21 PM] Excidium: Is fenda a derogatory term? Or do defenders refer to themselves as fendas?
  422. [11:21 PM] Unibot: Yeah it is
  423. [11:21 PM] Unibot: Defenders don't call themselves fendas.
  424. [11:21 PM] Unibot: :wink:
  425. [11:21 PM] Unibot: Lesson 1!
  426. [11:21 PM] Excidium: I see.
  427. [11:21 PM] Unibot: So Jutsa should be set up soon.
  428. [11:21 PM] Jutomi~: All done~
  429. [11:22 PM] Excidium: But it's so much easier to type.
  430. [11:22 PM] Unibot: Awesome.
  431. [11:22 PM] Excidium: You take off three whole letters.
  432. [11:22 PM] Unibot: So first thing's first: a demonstration.
  433. [11:22 PM] Jutomi~: You could go all the way and just say "defs" :p
  434. [11:22 PM] Unibot: Can you three move to https://www.nationstates.net/region=warzone_sandbox
  435. [11:22 PM] Unibot: Warzone Sandbox is a small GCR that's used for training missions and such.
  436. [11:23 PM] Jutomi~: Oh, nice. :3
  437. [11:23 PM] Excidium: Success.
  438. [11:23 PM] Unibot: I just want to show you something to start off with.
  439. [11:23 PM] Jutomi~: mfw I have the second highest lifespan
  440. [11:23 PM] Unibot: Defenders like to do what is called, 'cross endorsing' - that means endorsing someone and everyone endorsing them.
  441. [11:23 PM] Unibot: It ensures that we're all endorsing each other as a team.
  442. [11:23 PM] Abhichandra: I actually made a nation called The Old West Lands
  443. [11:23 PM] Abhichandra: what did I miss?
  444. [11:24 PM] Unibot: Nice :smiley:
  445. [11:24 PM] Unibot: So cross-endorse on Excidium: https://www.nationstates.net/nation=silent_fleet
  446. [11:24 PM] Excidium: I endorsed Yukjulede.
  447. [11:24 PM] Jutomi~: So, does that mean I should endorse everyone on the team, or just a specific nation?
  448. [11:24 PM] Excidium: Or whatever.
  449. [11:24 PM] Unibot: Yeah so, that means to clarify, endorse Silent Fleet (Excidium)
  450. [11:24 PM] Abhichandra: Uni, what did I miss? Should I move to Wrzne Sandbox?
  451. [11:24 PM] Unibot: And endorse anyone endorsing him (Abhlchandra)
  452. [11:24 PM] Unibot: Yup
  453. [11:24 PM] Unibot: Go for it, Abhi!
  454. [11:24 PM] Abhichandra: ok
  455. [11:25 PM] Excidium: Everyone endorse me, I will endorse everyone else.
  456. [11:25 PM] Unibot: Exactly!
  457. [11:25 PM] Excidium: And then endorse everyone endorsing me. (Silent Fleet)
  458. [11:25 PM] Unibot: This is a basic maneuver called cross-endorsement.
  459. [11:26 PM] Unibot: You'll often hear it described as "cross endorse on __" or "cross on ___"
  460. [11:26 PM] Jutomi~: You're The Old West Lands, yes? :p
  461. [11:26 PM] Abhichandra: yep
  462. [11:26 PM] Unibot: Yes
  463. [11:26 PM] Unibot: So Abhi, if you can, endorse Jutsa too
  464. [11:27 PM] Abhichandra: what's their nation?
  465. [11:27 PM] Jutomi~: Jutsa
  466. [11:27 PM] Unibot: https://www.nationstates.net/nation=yukjuleide
  467. [11:27 PM] Abhichandra: oh ok
  468. [11:27 PM] Abhichandra: just did
  469. [11:27 PM] Unibot: But, remember
  470. [11:27 PM] Jutomi~: Oh wait
  471. [11:27 PM] Jutomi~: No that's my main, I mean Yukjuleide :laughing:
  472. [11:27 PM] Unibot: If you're having a hard time remembering what their name is
  473. [11:27 PM] Unibot: Check your endorsements
  474. [11:27 PM] Abhichandra: yeah
  475. [11:27 PM] Unibot: They've probably already endorsed you :wink:
  476. [11:27 PM] Unibot: That's the beauty of cross-endorsing.
  477. [11:28 PM] Jutomi~: Sweet, this is the most endorsements I've ever had at one time.
  478. [11:28 PM] Unibot: Okay, next step: let's move to Warzone Australia
  479. [11:28 PM] Unibot: https://www.nationstates.net/region=warzone_australia
  480. [11:28 PM] Unibot: Hahaha
  481. [11:28 PM] Unibot: That's adorable :smiley:
  482. [11:28 PM] Unibot: ^__^
  483. [11:28 PM] Jutomi~: lol, yeah, not part of any large regions. :p
  484. [11:28 PM] Unibot: Remind me to make you a point on a big mission sometime :stuck_out_tongue:
  485. [11:29 PM] Excidium: You keep endorsements even if you move?
  486. [11:29 PM] Unibot: BINGO
  487. [11:29 PM] Jutomi~: Ahaaah
  488. [11:29 PM] Unibot: Everyone check your endorsements.
  489. [11:29 PM] Jutomi~: That was confusing at first, fascinating
  490. [11:29 PM] Excidium: Oh!
  491. [11:29 PM] Abhichandra: wow!
  492. [11:29 PM] Unibot: And he gets it in one!
  493. [11:29 PM] Excidium: I was totally prepared to endorse everyone when we moved.
  494. [11:29 PM] Abhichandra: same
  495. [11:29 PM] Jutomi~: So the idea is you endorse on one region, and then all join at once in another with all of those endorsements?
  496. [11:29 PM] Jutomi~: ^^
  497. [11:29 PM] Excidium: But we don't have to do that?
  498. [11:29 PM] Unibot: So, when I was starting out defending, someone showed me that and my mind was blown.
  499. [11:30 PM] Unibot: I thought I would begin this lesson that way too.
  500. [11:30 PM] Excidium: My mind is blown.
  501. [11:30 PM] Jutomi~: Yes :laughing:
  502. [11:30 PM] Unibot: Defending uses this technique quite a lot.
  503. [11:30 PM] Excidium: I've been playing NS for almost 4 years and never knew this.
  504. [11:30 PM] Unibot: Congratulations you've completed your first pre-endorsement.
  505. [11:30 PM] Unibot: We call it 'pre-endorsing.'
  506. [11:31 PM] Unibot: In this case, Warzone Sandbox was our 'staging ground' or 'jump region.'
  507. [11:31 PM] Jutomi~: Do raiders also use this tactic? :p
  508. [11:31 PM] Excidium: Probably.
  509. [11:31 PM] Unibot: Invaders do use this tactic as well. And there's a good reason for that.
  510. [11:31 PM] Excidium: Raiding and Liberating are basically the same thing but on opposite sides.
  511. [11:32 PM] Abhichandra: Does anyone else see this?
  512. [pic of dispatch view in rmb]
  513. [11:32 PM] Abhichandra: weird new update?
  514. [11:32 PM] Unibot: Mechanically they're are similar, but liberating is far more challenging.
  515. [11:32 PM] Unibot: I loved those!
  516. [11:32 PM] Unibot: Yeah
  517. [11:32 PM] Unibot: I saw
  518. [11:32 PM] Excidium: Are jump regions typically known by invaders?
  519. [11:32 PM] Unibot: Yes invaders regularly re-use the same jump regions.
  520. [11:33 PM] Excidium: Like, are defender jump points widely known?
  521. [11:33 PM] Abhichandra: Bye guys, I have to go now, but I will (try) to read through this tomorrow!
  522. [11:33 PM] Unibot: Sometimes they'll also make a brand new region.
  523. [11:33 PM] Excidium: Thanks!
  524. [11:33 PM] Unibot: Wait, Abhi
  525. [11:33 PM] Excidium: Bye!
  526. [11:33 PM] Unibot: Okay
  527. [11:33 PM] Unibot: Nevermind :stuck_out_tongue:
  528. [11:33 PM] Unibot: Tis fine.
  529. [11:33 PM] Abhichandra: lol
  530. [11:33 PM] Abhichandra: ok
  531. [11:33 PM] Unibot: Talk to you later :wink:
  532. [11:33 PM] Abhichandra: alright
  533. [11:33 PM] Unibot: Good having you.
  534. [11:33 PM] Unibot: So, update.
  535. [11:34 PM] Unibot: Update is really the force that shapes how NS military gameplay works. We're a slave to update and it's mechanics.
  536. [11:34 PM] Unibot: Pre-endorsing is really cool, but you might have been asking the question why we need to pre-endorse.
  537. [11:34 PM] Excidium: Because we have limited time before we might be kicked from a region?
  538. [11:35 PM] Excidium: And cannot jump too early?
  539. [11:35 PM] Unibot: Exactly.
  540. [11:35 PM] Unibot: So if you were going to face ejection, when would you strike?
  541. [11:35 PM] Excidium: As close to update as possible.
  542. [11:35 PM] Unibot: Which to clarify for others reading is when the server decides who is delegate.
  543. [11:36 PM] Excidium: So we could at least secure the delegacy before people start getting ejected by officers.
  544. [11:36 PM] Jutomi~: Ah, fancy
  545. [11:36 PM] Excidium: Right?
  546. [11:36 PM] Unibot: Because if you're striking the region then, then you're leaving very little time - seconds - before the delegate is being replaced.
  547. [11:36 PM] Unibot: That's how invaders invade regions. And how liberators have to liberate regions from occupiers.
  548. [11:37 PM] Unibot: Now if you don't mind I do like to get into some detail on how an update works just to clarify some things. I find it helps people understand sometimes.
  549. [11:37 PM] Unibot: Is that alright?
  550. [11:37 PM] Jutomi~: sure
  551. [11:38 PM] Excidium: This is why natives have such a difficult time stopping invaders without a founder. There usually isn't anyone online watching a few seconds before update.
  552. [11:38 PM] Unibot: Yes -and for that reason, defenders play an important role.
  553. [11:38 PM] Unibot: Sooooo
  554. [11:38 PM] Unibot: There are two periods when regions update.
  555. [11:38 PM] Unibot: They update twice a day.
  556. [11:38 PM] Unibot: What we call the "Major Update" will begin in twenty mins or so.
  557. [11:39 PM] Unibot: At 12 AM EST
  558. [11:39 PM] Unibot: Or is 12 PM, whatever
  559. [11:39 PM] Excidium: 12 AM.
  560. [11:39 PM] Unibot: Thanks.
  561. [11:39 PM] Excidium: Does not makes sense when you think about it.
  562. [11:39 PM] Jutomi~: Ikr?
  563. [11:39 PM] Unibot: I screwed up so many missions by saying the wrong AM/PM because of that
  564. [11:39 PM] Unibot: You have no idea >_<
  565. [11:39 PM] Unibot: It was the bane of my existence.
  566. [11:40 PM] Excidium: Just say midnight or noon.
  567. [11:40 PM] Unibot: Exactly.
  568. [11:40 PM] Unibot: So the Major is Midnight EST
  569. [11:40 PM] Unibot: And so you can guess, naturally, the Minor is Noon EST
  570. [11:40 PM] Unibot: Twelve hours apart -ish
  571. [11:40 PM] Excidium: Why is one Major and one Minor?
  572. [11:41 PM] Excidium: Delegates are decided at both, right?
  573. [11:41 PM] Jutomi~: I was just about to ask that. :p
  574. [11:41 PM] Unibot: We call Major, Major because it's slower than the Minor. And it's slower than the Minor because it's calculating more data. Census reports are done only at the Major, for example.
  575. [11:41 PM] Excidium: I see.
  576. [11:41 PM] Abhichandra: I'll actually be on for ~10 more minutes
  577. [11:41 PM] Unibot: In the olde days, Major Update also was the update that you got issues at.
  578. [11:41 PM] Unibot: So Minor update was bloody useless.
  579. [11:41 PM] Abhichandra: lol
  580. [11:41 PM] Jutomi~: beautiful
  581. [11:41 PM] Excidium: Is slower better for missions or worse?
  582. [11:42 PM] Unibot: Errr, indifferent
  583. [11:42 PM] Unibot: It's not a big difference
  584. [11:42 PM] Unibot: Four mins or so.
  585. [11:42 PM] Excidium: So either Minor or Major can be used equally well for missions.
  586. [11:42 PM] Unibot: Okay so...
  587. [11:42 PM] Unibot: This is the Target Region we'll practice on: https://www.nationstates.net/region=warzone_africa
  588. [11:42 PM] Unibot: But don't move
  589. [11:42 PM] Abhichandra: ok
  590. [11:43 PM] Unibot: I want us to practice a coordinated move.
  591. [11:43 PM] Jutomi~: Alrighty
  592. [11:43 PM] Unibot: Nice.
  593. [11:43 PM] Jutomi~: Parangacutirimicuaro ceased to exist.
  594. [11:43 PM] Excidium: What?
  595. [11:43 PM] Unibot: So typically during a mission, we'll know vaguely what time the region is going to update.
  596. [11:43 PM] Unibot: Down to the seconds.
  597. [11:43 PM] Abhichandra: k
  598. [11:43 PM] Jutomi~: region activity. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
  599. [11:43 PM] Excidium: How?
  600. [11:44 PM] Unibot: So we'll you warning.
  601. [11:44 PM] Unibot: I will explain that later, I want to give Abhi time to participate in a simulated move.
  602. [11:44 PM] Excidium: Okay.
  603. [11:44 PM] Unibot: *So I'll explain later
  604. [11:44 PM] Abhichandra: ok what should I do
  605. [11:44 PM] Unibot: Alrighty.
  606. [11:44 PM] Unibot: So let's imagine it's two mins before a liberation.
  607. [11:44 PM] Unibot: Pull a tab up with Warzone Africa out
  608. [11:44 PM] Excidium: Yes.
  609. [11:45 PM] Abhichandra: ok
  610. [11:45 PM] Unibot: Have it ready.
  611. [11:45 PM] Abhichandra: yep
  612. [11:45 PM] Unibot: You're all pre-endorsed.
  613. [11:45 PM] Unibot: So in theory you'd be ready to go.
  614. [11:46 PM] Unibot: At this point, your commanding officer would tell you: one minute -ish to go.
  615. [11:46 PM] Unibot: (Jutsa, you ready?)
  616. [11:46 PM] Unibot: Don't move until you're given a command.
  617. [11:46 PM] Jutomi~: yep
  618. [11:46 PM] Unibot: When you are given a command, move immediately.
  619. [11:46 PM] Unibot: Wait for it....
  620. [11:46 PM] Unibot: Wait....
  621. [11:47 PM] Unibot: ... Annoying commanders like to write lots of messages here that trigger you to move ....
  622. [11:47 PM] Jutomi~: lol
  623. [11:47 PM] Abhichandra: lol
  624. [11:47 PM] Unibot: ...
  625. [11:47 PM] Unibot: MOVE!
  626. [11:47 PM] Jutomi~: boop
  627. [11:48 PM] Unibot: Jutsa was quickest
  628. [11:48 PM] Unibot: 11:47:52 PM EDT:
  629. [11:48 PM] Jutomi~: Yay~
  630. [11:48 PM] Unibot: Abhi was next.
  631. [11:48 PM] Abhichandra: yay
  632. [11:48 PM] Excidium: I was just about to say "This is where I lose internet connection"
  633. [11:48 PM] Unibot: 11:47:53 PM EDT
  634. [11:48 PM] Jutomi~: lol
  635. [11:48 PM] Unibot: Excidium lost internet but did okay. :stuck_out_tongue:
  636. [11:48 PM] Abhichandra: lol
  637. [11:48 PM] Excidium: I didn't!
  638. [11:49 PM] Excidium: I was just typing and had to abort my sentence to move.
  639. [11:49 PM] Jutomi~: rip :stuck_out_tongue:
  640. [11:49 PM] Excidium: What was my time?
  641. [11:49 PM] Unibot: We'll try again, but for the sake of entertainment, let's imagine this is the kind of liberation were we're also moving into the region to endorse a native.
  642. [11:49 PM] Unibot: Four seconds off the move-time.
  643. [11:49 PM] Unibot: Not awful but ... slow. :stuck_out_tongue:
  644. [11:50 PM] Excidium: Damn. Maybe it was internet lag?
  645. [11:50 PM] Jutomi~: ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
  646. [11:50 PM] Unibot: Maybe, but I think you probably just hesitated.
  647. [11:50 PM] Excidium: There's no way I waited four seconds though.
  648. [11:50 PM] Unibot: So this time around, here's your target region: https://www.nationstates.net/region=warzone_australia
  649. [11:50 PM] Unibot: Don't move.
  650. [11:50 PM] Unibot: And your native target is https://www.nationstates.net/nation=polldger
  651. [11:50 PM] Jutomi~: And as soon as we join, we endorse them?
  652. [11:50 PM] Unibot: I'd like you to bring up a tab for Warzone Australia and Polldger
  653. [11:51 PM] Abhichandra: just about to ask that
  654. [11:51 PM] Unibot: Exactly have both ready.
  655. [11:51 PM] Unibot: You want tabs for both ready.
  656. [11:51 PM] Unibot: And you want to be able to move to Warzone, then endorse Polldger as soon as possible.
  657. [11:51 PM] Unibot: A trained, experienced defender will do this in two seconds flat.
  658. [11:51 PM] Abhichandra: will I need to re-fresh the page?
  659. [11:51 PM] Jutomi~: Will you have to refresh your page to do so
  660. [11:51 PM] Unibot: Yes you will.
  661. [11:51 PM] Jutomi~: ah, ok
  662. [11:51 PM] Abhichandra: ok
  663. [11:51 PM] Unibot: Thanks for asking.
  664. [11:52 PM] Unibot: F5 works.
  665. [11:52 PM] Excidium: I'm on mobile...
  666. [11:52 PM] Unibot: Oh lord
  667. [11:52 PM] Unibot: Try your best :stuck_out_tongue:
  668. [11:52 PM] Excidium: Alright. If I come in second I count that as win.
  669. [11:53 PM] Jutomi~: lol, gl
  670. [11:53 PM] Unibot: If you come in under six seconds, you win
  671. [11:53 PM] Unibot: Okay
  672. [11:53 PM] Unibot: So we'll move in about a minute.
  673. [11:53 PM] Jutomi~: Ok
  674. [11:53 PM] Abhichandra: Ok
  675. [11:53 PM] Unibot: "Move time is imminent," says your annoying commander.
  676. [11:53 PM] Jutomi~: I'll try my best >ω<
  677. [11:53 PM] Abhichandra: haha
  678. [11:53 PM] Unibot: Eyes here.
  679. [11:53 PM] Unibot: Get ready.
  680. [11:53 PM] Excidium: Are there any commanders that are not annoying?
  681. [11:53 PM] Unibot: No.
  682. [11:53 PM] Jutomi~: gg
  683. [11:53 PM] Unibot: "Quiet in the ranks."
  684. [11:54 PM] Unibot: Soon...
  685. [11:54 PM] Unibot: ...
  686. [11:54 PM] Unibot: MOVE!
  687. [11:54 PM] Abhichandra: done
  688. [11:54 PM] Jutomi~: Derp
  689. [11:54 PM] Unibot: Nice
  690. [11:54 PM] Excidium: Still last...
  691. [11:54 PM] Jutomi~: I took long but I first accidentally dragged my mouse instead of clicking and then forgot that the endorse button was much lower than I anticipated >_>
  692. [11:55 PM] Unibot: Abhi was in and endorsed in three seconds.
  693. [11:55 PM] Unibot: Which is a good first time.
  694. [11:55 PM] Abhichandra: yay
  695. [11:55 PM] Excidium: But I did run into technical difficulties.
  696. [11:55 PM] Jutomi~: I just derped. :laughing:
  697. [11:55 PM] Unibot: Jutsa derped :stuck_out_tongue:
  698. [11:55 PM] Abhichandra: lol
  699. [11:55 PM] Unibot: Nine seconds from move to endo
  700. [11:55 PM] Jutomi~: Yeah I couldn't find the button. :thumbsup:
  701. [11:56 PM] Jutomi~: I forgot it was beneath the activity and not above.
  702. [11:56 PM] Abhichandra: Ok for real this time, I have to go, see everyone tomorrow, catch me up on what I miss
  703. [11:56 PM] Unibot: Excidium got in at ten seconds.
  704. [11:56 PM] Unibot: Alrighty Abhi
  705. [11:56 PM] Excidium: I accidentally hit the attachment button on Discord before switching to Chrome.
  706. [11:56 PM] Jutomi~: Aw, bye Abhi
  707. [11:56 PM] Unibot: Awesome thanks.
  708. [11:56 PM] Abhichandra: bye
  709. [11:56 PM] Jutomi~: As you can tell, we could use a bit of shaping up. :laughing:
  710. [11:56 PM] Unibot: Would you guys like to try one more? Then we'll wrap tonight up with a chat about how update works and the basics of defending?
  711. [11:56 PM] Excidium: I think for the actual mission I will need to be on a PC.
  712. [11:57 PM] Jutomi~: Sure
  713. [11:57 PM] Jutomi~: ^^ that'd probably help. :›
  714. [11:57 PM] Unibot: Yeah a PC helps.
  715. [11:57 PM] Unibot: Enormously.
  716. [11:57 PM] Unibot: TARGET REGION: https://www.nationstates.net/region=warzone_africa
  717. [11:57 PM] Unibot: NATIVE LEAD: https://www.nationstates.net/nation=japanese_occupied_korea
  718. [11:58 PM] Unibot: Don't move till the move command is given.
  719. [11:58 PM] Unibot: Prepare your tabs. :smiley:
  720. [11:58 PM] Unibot: Good luck.
  721. [11:58 PM] Jutomi~: thanks :3
  722. [11:59 PM] Unibot: Move time will be in about a minute. As soon as I get a sense you guys are ready.
  723. [11:59 PM] Jutomi~: yep
  724. [11:59 PM] Excidium: I'm ready.
  725. [11:59 PM] Excidium: Promotion.
  726. [11:59 PM] Jutomi~: as ready as I'll ever be tonight :laughing:
  727. [11:59 PM] Unibot: Okay
  728. [11:59 PM] Unibot: Move time will be soon
  729. [11:59 PM] Unibot: Eyes here
  730. [11:59 PM] Unibot: Get ready
  731. August 23, 2017
  732. [12:00 AM] Unibot: Move!
  733. [12:00 AM] Jutomi~: yay
  734. [12:00 AM] Excidium: I'm beginning to think there is lag on Discord.
  735. [12:00 AM] Unibot: Jutsa did it in three seconds.
  736. [12:01 AM] Jutomi~: Rewhew >ω<
  737. [12:01 AM] Unibot: Excidium, nine. So you improved!
  738. [12:01 AM] Excidium: It shows you typing and then stops. And then Move appears a few second after.
  739. [12:01 AM] Unibot: But there might be lag.
  740. [12:01 AM] Excidium: By one second.
  741. [12:01 AM] Unibot: We used IRC back in my day.
  742. [12:01 AM] Unibot: Okay so...
  743. [12:01 AM] Unibot: https://www.nationstates.net/page=activity
  744. [12:01 AM] Unibot: See this
  745. [12:02 AM] Unibot: This is what update looks like
  746. [12:02 AM] Unibot: It's just begun
  747. [12:02 AM] Unibot: A minute ago.
  748. [12:02 AM] Jutomi~: yaha
  749. [12:02 AM] Unibot: It's the server roaring through information.
  750. [12:02 AM] Jutomi~: Aagh it's moving so fast that my eyes are boggling
  751. [12:02 AM] Unibot: I like to think of update like a file folder.
  752. [12:02 AM] Unibot: If you can imagine a file folder with a file for every region in NS. All 20K of them.
  753. [12:03 AM] Unibot: And in each folder, there's a page for every nation in NS.
  754. [12:03 AM] Unibot: *update like a file cabinet
  755. [12:03 AM] Unibot: The owner of this file cabinet is very particular: the order of the pages in the file (the nations) is by residency.
  756. [12:04 AM] Unibot: Oldest residents are first in the file.
  757. [12:04 AM] Jutomi~: Ooh, interesting
  758. [12:04 AM] Unibot: Now what's also interesting is the order of the files never changes.
  759. [12:04 AM] Excidium: But what order are the folders in?
  760. [12:05 AM] Unibot: So if The Rejected Realms updates before Lazarus (no idea tbh), then TRR always updates Lazarus.
  761. [12:05 AM] Unibot: The order of those files is random, but it's static order.
  762. [12:05 AM] Unibot: So it never changes.
  763. [12:05 AM] Jutomi~: Huh. Interesting
  764. [12:05 AM] Unibot: When new regions are created, they wedge themselves randomly between the other files.
  765. [12:05 AM] Unibot: But the order never gets jambled.
  766. [12:05 AM] Excidium: So newly created regions are randomly distributed... huh.
  767. [12:06 AM] Jutomi~: So as soon as you see a region that you know comes shortly before the one you're liberating(or raiding), you jump in?
  768. [12:06 AM] Unibot: Just to clarify for you guys: a nation can only update once a update.
  769. [12:06 AM] Unibot: Yes, basically Jutsa.
  770. [12:07 AM] Excidium: But that nation can jump between regions and see multiple updates, right?(edited)
  771. [12:07 AM] Unibot: But the warning bell is a bit longer than a single though. Because a single region can be updated in 0.08 seconds easy. :stuck_out_tongue:
  772. [12:07 AM] Unibot: Defenders need about ten seconds warning.
  773. [12:07 AM] Unibot: Which can be like a hundred regions.
  774. [12:08 AM] Unibot: To answer your question - yes a nation can jump between regions.
  775. [12:08 AM] Unibot: We call this 'update surfing.'
  776. [12:08 AM] Unibot: If you move your nation to a region that has already updated, you won't update there.
  777. [12:08 AM] Unibot: You're effectively "missing" update.
  778. [12:09 AM] Jutomi~: Huh
  779. [12:09 AM] Jutomi~: Can you get multiple updates, though?
  780. [12:09 AM] Excidium: I don't know how much that comes up in defending, but I know that some Raiders have ended up with multiple delegacies in one update, right?
  781. [12:09 AM] Unibot: Yes, but they do that using multiple puppet nations!
  782. [12:10 AM] Unibot: One individual nation can only update once a update.
  783. [12:10 AM] Excidium: So one nation cannot be delegate in two regions?(edited)
  784. [12:10 AM] Jutomi~: Ah, so you have to make sure you're in a region that comes after the one you're invading?
  785. [12:10 AM] Unibot: Yes, typically Jutsa.
  786. [12:10 AM] Excidium: Ah, I see.
  787. [12:11 AM] Jutomi~: Oh no, Illuminati cancelled embassies with The Embassy. :p
  788. [12:11 AM] Excidium: I was wondering what the significance of having jump regions at the end of the update was.
  789. [12:11 AM] Unibot: Excidium: Yes. But one player can be delegate of two regions, technically. But only temporarily (you have delegate powers even after resigning your delegacy - it's an old loophole.)
  790. [12:11 AM] Unibot: Exactly so defenders and invaders keep their puppets in regions at the backend of update.
  791. [12:12 AM] Unibot: Allowing them to comfortably oversee update and move to respond without worrying about having updated or not.
  792. [12:12 AM] Excidium: So that they make sure they do not update before the jump.
  793. [12:12 AM] Unibot: Yup.
  794. [12:13 AM] Jutomi~: I imagine it's hard to liberate regions that come very close to the end, then? :stuck_out_tongue:
  795. [12:13 AM] Unibot: It's very difficult.
  796. [12:13 AM] Unibot: We have a few tricks for it.
  797. [12:13 AM] Jutomi~: Like surfing?
  798. [12:13 AM] Unibot: (1) We can do what's called an Instant Jump Region. (IJR)
  799. [12:13 AM] Excidium: So basically if invaders lock down the very last region, there's no way to take it back?
  800. [12:14 AM] Unibot: (2) You can just have all your guys move to an early, already updated region once update has begun. But that requires an additional step which can confuse newcomers.
  801. [12:14 AM] Unibot: Either of these methods work.
  802. [12:14 AM] Excidium: I see. Endorse at a later region, jump forward to miss update, and then jump back?
  803. [12:14 AM] Unibot: Yup, or move direct from the second region to the target region.
  804. [12:14 AM] Unibot: Both work. :wink:
  805. [12:15 AM] Unibot: An Instant Jump Region is a newly created region.
  806. [12:15 AM] Jutomi~: Ooooh, ok
  807. [12:15 AM] Unibot: A newly created region isn't assigned into update till the proceeding update.
  808. [12:15 AM] Excidium: So you basically jumprope over the update before you go to the target?
  809. [12:15 AM] Jutomi~: Sneaky. :HYPER3c:
  810. [12:15 AM] Unibot: So you can create a new region and that will act as an updateless jump point.
  811. [12:16 AM] Excidium: I see.
  812. [12:16 AM] Unibot: But yes you can "jumprope" too - we call that surfing.
  813. [12:16 AM] Excidium: I imagine theses IJRs are pretty common for delicate operations?
  814. [12:16 AM] Unibot: They're common for invaders actually.
  815. [12:16 AM] Unibot: Defenders don't tend to use them.
  816. [12:17 AM] Unibot: I think invaders think they're being sneaky when they do it.
  817. [12:17 AM] Jutomi~: lol, understandable.
  818. [12:17 AM] Unibot: Truth is, it's not sneaky at all. Defenders know the technique.
  819. [12:17 AM] Unibot: So if you make a IJR at update, it SCREAMS "Invaders!"
  820. [12:17 AM] Jutomi~: yeah
  821. [12:18 AM] Unibot: Only invaders would set up a region ten mins before update begins - and suddenly amass six WA nations crossing endorsing each other.
  822. [12:18 AM] Unibot: I mean... c'mon!
  823. [12:18 AM] Excidium: I see.
  824. [12:18 AM] Jutomi~: ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
  825. [12:18 AM] Unibot: So that brings us to our last segment.
  826. [12:19 AM] Unibot: Before Unibot falls asleep.
  827. [12:19 AM] Unibot: Defending.
  828. [12:19 AM] Jutomi~: Alrighty. :stuck_out_tongue:
  829. [12:19 AM] Unibot: We've talked a lot about liberating because we're preparing for a big liberation.
  830. [12:19 AM] Unibot: But I thought I would impart a bit about defending too.
  831. [12:19 AM] Excidium: But defending also involves countering attacks, right?
  832. [12:19 AM] Excidium: Moving in to defend target regions?
  833. [12:20 AM] Unibot: Liberations are missions that aim to free an occupied region (remove an invader delegate), Defences are missions that aim to BLOCK invaders from successfully invading a region.
  834. [12:20 AM] Unibot: Basically defenders are probably scouring update as we speak...
  835. [12:21 AM] Unibot: https://www.nationstates.net/page=activity/view=world/filter=move+member
  836. [12:21 AM] Unibot: Here's an example of a feed that defenders might be following.
  837. [12:21 AM] Unibot: They would also be dossier'ing any nations that are behaving suspiciously.
  838. [12:22 AM] Unibot: Suspicious behavior most prominently includes pre-endorsing just before update.
  839. [12:22 AM] Unibot: And during update, defenders would following very closely.
  840. [12:22 AM] Unibot: We call this "spotting."
  841. [12:23 AM] Excidium: I see.
  842. [12:23 AM] Unibot: If invaders move into a region seeking to invade it, they're not going to give defenders very much time to respond.
  843. [12:23 AM] Excidium: Would it not be more effective to have spies?
  844. [12:23 AM] Unibot: Invaders may move only two seconds before the update-time.
  845. [12:23 AM] Unibot: No spies don't get any info from commanders.
  846. [12:23 AM] Unibot: And use lose a man.
  847. [12:23 AM] Unibot: If he's spying, he can't defend. :stuck_out_tongue:
  848. [12:24 AM] Excidium: What if the spy is the commander?
  849. [12:24 AM] Jutomi~: what a twist :laughing:
  850. [12:24 AM] Unibot: He or she is unlikely to get that high up.
  851. [12:24 AM] Unibot: It's not unheard of.
  852. [12:24 AM] Unibot: So It's happened.
  853. [12:24 AM] Unibot: But...
  854. [12:24 AM] Unibot: Yeah...
  855. [12:24 AM] Excidium: I was about to ask that.
  856. [12:24 AM] Unibot: Rare.
  857. [12:24 AM] Unibot: Anyways.
  858. [12:25 AM] Unibot: So defenders will often spot an update. If invaders move, defenders follow and endorse the native delegate (keeping their endorsement count above the invaders.)
  859. [12:25 AM] Excidium: I see.
  860. [12:25 AM] Excidium: How effective is this?
  861. [12:26 AM] Unibot: Since invaders are moving close to update, that gives a defender around two seconds to spot the invasion, follow and endorse the delegate.
  862. [12:26 AM] Excidium: And how many invaders and defenders are there?
  863. [12:26 AM] Unibot: Against tag raids? Not all that effective.
  864. [12:26 AM] Jutomi~: Sounds to me like defending's a very tricky maneuver. ._.
  865. [12:26 AM] Excidium: Indeed.
  866. [12:27 AM] Excidium: No way I could pull it off on mobile.
  867. [12:27 AM] Unibot: With tag raids, invaders will preorganize small-scale invasions with like three soldiers of thirty or so founderless regions.
  868. [12:27 AM] Unibot: And defenders are left dancing all update
  869. [12:27 AM] Unibot: following them
  870. [12:27 AM] Jutomi~: lol
  871. [12:27 AM] Unibot: Unless the invaders suck, you're bound to lose. :stuck_out_tongue:
  872. [12:27 AM] Unibot: But you might lose well.
  873. [12:27 AM] Unibot: Block them 1/3 of the time against tag raids is a nice number.
  874. [12:28 AM] Excidium: Saves ten regions.
  875. [12:28 AM] Unibot: I've shut them out a few times though.
  876. [12:28 AM] Unibot: Exactly.
  877. [12:28 AM] Unibot: Now.
  878. [12:28 AM] Unibot: Non-tag raids are a different story.
  879. [12:28 AM] Unibot: If defenders are online, defenders can often stop them.
  880. [12:28 AM] Unibot: Partly because they're bigger missions for invaders.
  881. [12:28 AM] Excidium: They probably need more than three guys.
  882. [12:29 AM] Jutomi~: so they generally take more time?
  883. [12:29 AM] Excidium: So easier to spot.
  884. [12:29 AM] Unibot: If they're trying to take down a larger region, they'll allow themselves more time than two seconds to move and endorse.
  885. [12:29 AM] Excidium: Ah, yes.
  886. [12:29 AM] Jutomi~: Nice :3
  887. [12:29 AM] Excidium: Might have some lagging.
  888. [12:29 AM] Excidium: If you move more people you have to make more time for people to screw up.
  889. [12:30 AM] Unibot: With a three-man team of experienced invaders, tag raiding thirty regions, they'll just cut the move-time to literally as short as possible. They'll cut their losses if they move late.
  890. [12:30 AM] Unibot: But with a big region being invaded, invaders like to try to get it RIGHT. Because they only get one chance.
  891. [12:30 AM] Excidium: Yeah, makes sense. Tag raids are not important anyways.
  892. [12:31 AM] Jutomi~: Lord Dominator likes to tag raid. They hang out in GI a lot even though they apparently haven't written any more than one issue. :laughing:
  893. [12:31 AM] Unibot: Which mean if enough defenders are online at update, they're bound to stop the big invasions usually. Tag raids, eh - those can be exhausting but fun.
  894. [12:31 AM] Unibot: *but fun to spot/stop.
  895. [12:31 AM] Excidium: Lord Dominator is a raider?
  896. [12:31 AM] Excidium: Lord Dominator is in the GA too.
  897. [12:31 AM] Jutomi~: I mean, that name's pretty self-explanatory but yes.
  898. [12:31 AM] Jutomi~: lol
  899. [12:31 AM] Jutomi~: and the rp discussion
  900. [12:32 AM] Unibot: Heh
  901. [12:32 AM] Excidium: It's a cartoon character.
  902. [12:32 AM] Jutomi~: Yep
  903. [12:32 AM] Unibot: So any questions before I go to bed?
  904. [12:32 AM] Jutomi~: A cartoon I never heard of until I met them, and since grew to like.
  905. [12:32 AM] Jutomi~: Uh, not really, except... when does this liberation of yours take place? :stuck_out_tongue:
  906. [12:32 AM] Excidium: I mean, Excidium Planetis literally means Fall of Planets, and you don't see me raiding.
  907. [12:32 AM] Jutomi~: ok, fair enough :laughing:
  908. [12:33 AM] Unibot: I do not have the final date for big liberation, I'm afraid.
  909. [12:33 AM] Unibot: The details will come from a mission organizer soon-ish.
  910. [12:33 AM] Excidium: I have a question...
  911. [12:33 AM] Unibot: Yuuuuup!
  912. [12:33 AM] Excidium: How large are invader militaries?
  913. [12:33 AM] Unibot: Hmmm
  914. [12:33 AM] Excidium: How large is a large liberation?
  915. [12:34 AM] Unibot: Liberations are typically bigger than invasions.
  916. [12:34 AM] Unibot: An invasion might be, say, twenty people, if it's properly big.
  917. [12:34 AM] Excidium: IA said to me in a discussion on GCR affiliation that most militaries were only 10 active players.
  918. [12:34 AM] Unibot: But once the invasion occurs, invaders will often "pile"
  919. [12:34 AM] Jutomi~: Twenty people? That's actually far smaller than I was expecting. :laughing:
  920. [12:34 AM] Excidium: And thus that they were not a threat to his region of Europe.
  921. [12:35 AM] Unibot: To protect their region from getting liberated.
  922. [12:35 AM] Jutomi~: Ahh
  923. [12:35 AM] Unibot: TBH can pull in like 80 people onto the invader delegate.
  924. [12:35 AM] Unibot: Because once you have it, you don't need the update time to bring people in.
  925. [12:35 AM] Unibot: You can just invite any old sod to come pile.
  926. [12:35 AM] Jutomi~: Sounds like liberating needs even more coordination than raiding. :0
  927. [12:35 AM] Excidium: Impressive, but unless they infiltrated the largest regions beforehand, still not enough to take the delegacy.
  928. [12:36 AM] Unibot: Infiilitration is common, Excidium
  929. [12:36 AM] Excidium: I figured. Otherwise coups would never happen.
  930. [12:36 AM] Unibot: They usually plant a nation in a region, "trade" endorsements to a certain level
  931. [12:36 AM] Excidium: The endorse cap?
  932. [12:36 AM] Unibot: Then plop twenty endos on that nation at update
  933. [12:36 AM] Unibot: Yup
  934. [12:37 AM] Unibot: Liberations are pretty challenging to organize. You need bodies. Because you're counteracting the piling.
  935. [12:37 AM] Excidium: A puppet of mine once spent time in The Pacific when Krulltopia ruled it.
  936. [12:37 AM] Unibot: Nice.
  937. [12:37 AM] Excidium: So I heard about endo caps a lot.
  938. [12:37 AM] Unibot: Heh
  939. [12:37 AM] Unibot: Anyways.
  940. [12:37 AM] Unibot: A big liberation is typically 30-40.
  941. [12:38 AM] Unibot: But this one could be bigger.
  942. [12:38 AM] Unibot: Possibly a lot bigger.
  943. [12:38 AM] Excidium: Wow.
  944. [12:38 AM] Excidium: What is the record?
  945. [12:38 AM] Unibot: But there's a glass ceiling with regards to what you can accomplish.
  946. [12:38 AM] Unibot: Err, lots of debate on that.
  947. [12:38 AM] Excidium: It isn't known?
  948. [12:39 AM] Unibot: Because the big liberations tend to be cases where the invader delegate went inactive and it became a "pile off" between defenders and invaders, not a true liberation.
  949. [12:39 AM] Unibot: I'm not sure. I'd probably say it's either Puppetmaster at 140+ or 60+
  950. [12:39 AM] Excidium: I see. Like when TBR was destroyed?
  951. [12:39 AM] Unibot: Puppetmaster was a very unusual liberation though
  952. [12:40 AM] Unibot: And a lot of its techniques depended on game mechanics that are no longer available.
  953. [12:40 AM] Jutomi~: Huh
  954. [12:40 AM] Unibot: The architect of puppetmaster was Ballotonia, now an admin - Ballotonia was one of my mentors as a defender.
  955. [12:40 AM] Excidium: What is Puppet master?
  956. [12:40 AM] Unibot: Puppetmaster is probably the most famous liberation of all time.
  957. [12:40 AM] Unibot: 2004.
  958. [12:41 AM] Unibot: NPO invaded The North Pacific via a nation called Great Bight
  959. [12:41 AM] Unibot: It was up to liberators from the ADN and the ALL to do the impossible: liberate TNP from NPO.
  960. [12:41 AM] Unibot: It was impossible to fathom though because the endorsement gap was massive.
  961. [12:42 AM] Unibot: Long story short, Ballotonia designed a genius way to liberate that may use of a few game mechanics quirks at the time that no longer exist.
  962. [12:42 AM] Unibot: For starters, he learnt if you re-engineered the html code in the endorsement buttons, you could endorse someone not in your region.
  963. [12:42 AM] Unibot: We call those magic endos.
  964. [12:43 AM] Unibot: They're no longer allowed in the source code.
  965. [12:43 AM] Jutomi~: Oh, snap
  966. [12:43 AM] Unibot: Puppetmaster was also done at a time in NS when there was no "Regional Happenings" , no "National Happenings"
  967. [12:43 AM] Excidium: I see.
  968. [12:44 AM] Unibot: So it was very difficult to know who was endorsing who
  969. [12:44 AM] Unibot: Because if you used magic endo'd someone in a region you weren't in, without national happenings
  970. [12:44 AM] Unibot: You'd never know (1) anyone was endorsing the lead
  971. [12:44 AM] Unibot: (2) who was endorsing the lead
  972. [12:45 AM] Unibot: Make sense?
  973. [12:45 AM] Jutomi~: Yeah
  974. [12:45 AM] Excidium: Doesn't that also make it impossible to stop people from endorsing the lead?
  975. [12:45 AM] Unibot: There was also an additional step, where they (Ballotonia, Crazygirl, Ananke) made it so that not even the recruits involved knew who were the leads for the mission.
  976. [12:45 AM] Excidium: Not like you can kick them, right?
  977. [12:45 AM] Unibot: You can't if you don't know who the leads are!
  978. [12:46 AM] Jutomi~: amazing
  979. [12:46 AM] Unibot: At the end, Ballotonia became lead delegate. His puppet was "Better Times."
  980. [12:46 AM] Jutomi~: Fitting
  981. [12:46 AM] Excidium: I can see why they made this impossible. Sounds game breaking.
  982. [12:46 AM] Unibot: Better Times kicked Great Bight and Francos Spain to TRR.
  983. [12:46 AM] Unibot: Errr
  984. [12:47 AM] Unibot: I disagree with magic endos being taken away. Given they took them after the creation of national happenings.
  985. [12:47 AM] Unibot: By that point it was more a useful tool than anything "game-breaking." :stuck_out_tongue:
  986. [12:47 AM] Unibot: And yes, Francos Spain was in TNP.
  987. [12:48 AM] Unibot: He had intended to take the delegacy in a mad rush.
  988. 12:48 AM] Unibot: But instead was in TNP when the whole thing went to shit.
  989. [12:48 AM] Unibot: And got ejected to TRR.
  990. [12:48 AM] Unibot: He then CTE'd in TRR.
  991. [12:48 AM] Jutomi~: wow
  992. [12:48 AM] Unibot: And for years we thought he committed suicide (he hadn't.)
  993. [12:48 AM] Jutomi~: thank goodness
  994. [12:48 AM] Excidium: I have some more questions, Unibot.
  995. [12:49 AM] Unibot: Sure Excidium but I have to go to bed soon.
  996. [12:49 AM] Jutomi~: still, that must have been some serious, hard-core ragequitting
  997. [12:49 AM] Unibot: Big - time :stuck_out_tongue:
  998. [12:49 AM] Excidium: You don't have to say what it is (Obviously) but do you know which region is the target of our mission?
  999. [12:49 AM] Unibot: Yes.
  1000. [12:49 AM] Unibot: And it's big.
  1001. [12:49 AM] Jutomi~: hence the big liberation
  1002. [12:49 AM] Unibot: It'll be the biggest mission of my defending career.
  1003. [12:50 AM] Jutomi~: nice
  1004. [12:50 AM] Excidium: Do the invaders know what it is?
  1005. [12:50 AM] Unibot: I imagine they'll have guessed.
  1006. [12:50 AM] Unibot: But I'm not at liberty to share it with anyone.
  1007. [12:50 AM] Excidium: Can't they just pile on the region before the mission?
  1008. [12:50 AM] Jutomi~: okeedokee
  1009. [12:50 AM] Excidium: No wait.
  1010. [12:50 AM] Excidium: Then they couldn't raid.
  1011. [12:50 AM] Unibot: Yeah but in this case that would only delay the inevitable.
  1012. [12:51 AM] Unibot: And exactly.
  1013. [12:51 AM] Unibot: They'll want to do other stuff.
  1014. [12:51 AM] Unibot: So they would eventually have to leave this particular target unpiled.
  1015. [12:51 AM] Excidium: Does that mean they will not oppose it? What will our opposition look like?
  1016. [12:51 AM] Unibot: It's hard to say.
  1017. [12:51 AM] Unibot: I'm not certain to be honest.
  1018. [12:52 AM] Unibot: And that uncertainty is due to the nature of the liberation at hand.
  1019. [12:52 AM] Unibot: I hope you two had fun tonight?
  1020. [12:52 AM] Jutomi~: Well, I guess this lasted sorta close to 2 hours after all. :laughing:
  1021. [12:52 AM] Excidium: I did.
  1022. [12:52 AM] Jutomi~: But yeah, definitely.
  1023. [12:52 AM] Unibot: I didn't bore you, Jesta?
  1024. [12:52 AM] Unibot: Good.
  1025. [12:52 AM] Excidium: Thanks for the training.
  1026. [12:52 AM] Unibot: I had fun chatting with you two.
  1027. [12:52 AM] Excidium: I learned a lot.
  1028. [12:52 AM] Jutomi~: Same.
  1029. [12:52 AM] Unibot: I'll keep this server open.
  1030. [12:52 AM] Unibot: We chat it you guys like.
  1031. [12:53 AM] Jutomi~: Okeedokee. :3
  1032. [12:53 AM] Excidium: Okay. TTYL
  1033. [12:53 AM] Unibot: I appreciated you two showing up.
  1034. [12:53 AM] Unibot: Have a good night. :smiley:
  1035. [12:53 AM] Excidium: I should probably get to contacting those people I said I would contact...
  1036. [12:53 AM] Jutomi~: Of course. I still want my hands on that issue, for whatever reason. :laughing:
  1037. [12:53 AM] Jutomi~: Goodnight~
  1038. [12:54 AM] Unibot: You've earned it. Thanks Jetsa. :smiley:
  1039. [12:54 AM] Unibot: Go for it, Excidium!
  1040. [12:54 AM] Excidium: Goodnight, Unibot.
  1041. [12:55 AM] Jutomi~: Well, I don't feel comfortable working on it until after the raid. I wouldn't want to appear dishonest, after all. :stuck_out_tongue:
  1042. [12:55 AM] Jutomi~: I'll be logging off, myself. Toodaloo~
  1043. [1:02 AM] Excidium: Careful, its not a raid. :stuck_out_tongue:
  1044. MN just joined. Can I get a heal?Yesterday at 2:03 AM
  1045. [2:11 AM] Excidium: Who is MN?
  1046. [7:38 AM] Unibot: I was wondering that myself
  1047. [7:50 AM] Unibot: Hi Hybera
  1048. [7:50 AM] Unibot: I'm going to work now. But have a great day.
  1049. [7:50 AM] Unibot: Feel free to ask any questions you have?
  1050. [9:18 AM] New Jarwel: I am awake now and ready for some info
  1051. [9:33 AM] Unibot: Oh okay hi Jarwel
  1052. [9:33 AM] Unibot: I'm just at work tbh
  1053. [9:33 AM] New Jarwel: ok I can wait then
  1054. [9:34 AM] Unibot: Well we were inviting you to a liberation of an occupied region. I guess the first question is would you like to help out? :wink:
  1055. [9:34 AM] New Jarwel: yeah
  1056. [9:53 AM] Jutomi~: Heeloo~
  1057. [9:53 AM] New Jarwel: ellllllllllllloooooooooo
  1058. [9:58 AM] Unibot: Hey Jutsa!
  1059. [9:58 AM] Unibot: That's good Jarwel. I'll put you on a list to contact for the mission. We'll be happy to have you.
  1060. [9:58 AM] Unibot: So two other questions than
  1061. [9:59 AM] Unibot: (1) would you be able to attend a training session tomorrow at, say, 8:30 PM EST?
  1062. [9:59 AM] Unibot: (2) Do you know of anyone, perhaps friends or regional mates, who might be interested in attending the liberation too?
  1063. [10:00 AM] Unibot: I would say it would be a brief training session but our last one ran long but I think it's because people were enjoying it. :p
  1064. [10:01 AM] Jutomi~: Incidentally, for the latter, not really. All of my regionmates are a small group of people who know each other irl(but not me, so I'm special~), and would probably like to stay out of military gp :p
  1065. [10:01 AM] New Jarwel: (1) Yes I will be open tomorrow for a training session.
  1066. (2) If you want I could give you a invite to the regional discord and you could ask around
  1067. [10:02 AM] Jutomi~: Plus, none of my other friends play NS; although, that may soon change if I continue my involvement in the GI community. :›
  1068. [10:02 AM] New Jarwel: https://discord.gg/YPfDs2d
  1069. join announcements
  1070. ENADIA HQ
  1071. [10:03 AM] Unibot: Cool :smiley:
  1072. [10:04 AM] Unibot: You know, Jutsa, RL friends make the best soldiers :wink:
  1073. [10:04 AM] Unibot: I recruited all my RL school friends from my small region back in the day. They were goo chums to have on a mission!
  1074. [10:04 AM] Unibot: *good
  1075. [10:05 AM] Jutomi~: Naeh, I honestly don't know anyone irl who has an interest in NS, either.
  1076. [10:05 AM] New Jarwel: I don't know anyone rl that even knows NS
  1077. [10:06 AM] New Jarwel: @Unibot do you want me to just PM people If there interested and invite them If they are?
  1078. [10:19 AM] Unibot: Yeah that's actually a good idea, New Jarwel
  1079. [10:20 AM] Unibot: It's often better if people are approached by who they know
  1080. [10:20 AM] Unibot: I'm just brazen :p
  1081. [10:20 AM] New Jarwel: alright. I'll go around and ask some old region buddies
  1082. [10:20 AM] Unibot: Jutsa: I once ran across my campus to my friend. 2 minutes to movetime and we were short one defender.
  1083. [10:20 AM] Unibot: The mission was a success!
  1084. [10:21 AM] Unibot: Awesome New Jarwel, I appreciate it.
  1085. [10:22 AM] New Jarwel: annnnnd none of them are on
  1086. [10:23 AM] Unibot: Perhaps send them tgs? It doesn't have to be immediate but if we can get them before tomorrow's training mission that would be perfect.
  1087. [10:23 AM] Unibot: :wink:
  1088. [11:07 AM] Abhichandra: Hi guys
  1089. [11:07 AM] Abhichandra: What did I miss?
  1090. [11:29 AM] Abhichandra: Everyone's online!
  1091. It's dangerous to go alone, take Separatist Peoples!Yesterday at 11:32 AM
  1092. [11:33 AM] Jutomi~: Greetings!
  1093. [11:33 AM] Jutomi~: Uh, Abhi, you basically just missed a discussion by Unibot about how raiders/defenders/liberators know when to strike, and how they go about doing it*. :p(edited)
  1094. [11:34 AM] Abhichandra: yeah, I read through all of that
  1095. [11:34 AM] Abhichandra: Hello Separatist Peoples!
  1096. [11:35 AM] Abhichandra: I was thinking about contacting Rahul Raghuraman because they helped liberate a region we had embassies with. What do you guys think?
  1097. Separatist Peoples just joined. Hide your bananas.Yesterday at 11:36 AM
  1098. [11:36 AM] Abhichandra: Hello again!
  1099. [11:36 AM] Separatist Peoples: Howdy!
  1100. [11:36 AM] Separatist Peoples: I was having a technical issue, sorry
  1101. [11:37 AM] Excidium: Morning, SP.
  1102. [11:37 AM] Separatist Peoples: How goes?
  1103. [11:37 AM] Excidium: Pretty good.
  1104. [11:38 AM] Abhichandra: When's the next training session?
  1105. [11:38 AM] Separatist Peoples: 8:30pm
  1106. [11:38 AM] Separatist Peoples: EST
  1107. [11:38 AM] Abhichandra: ok
  1108. [11:39 AM] Excidium: [Never mind](edited)
  1109. [11:39 AM] Excidium: [Ignore me](edited)
  1110. [11:40 AM] Abhichandra: Should I join the session?
  1111. [11:40 AM] Abhichandra: @Unibot
  1112. [11:49 AM] Jutomi~: Oh hi Separatist Peoples!
  1113. [11:49 AM] Jutomi~: You're in GI aren't you? :laughing:
  1114. [11:50 AM] Excidium: Separatist Peoples is mostly a GA author, but he did write one issue (that I know of).
  1115. [11:50 AM] Excidium: I don't think he has submitted it yet.
  1116. [11:50 AM] Abhichandra: SP is part of GA Sec right?
  1117. [11:51 AM] Excidium: Yep. He's part of GenSec.
  1118. [11:51 AM] Excidium: Also got Commended.
  1119. [11:51 AM] Abhichandra: yeah
  1120. [11:51 AM] Jutomi~: He's also commented a fair bit within the GI section, offering advices and such.
  1121. [11:52 AM] Unibot: SP!
  1122. [11:52 AM] Unibot: Awesome hi SP!
  1123. [11:52 AM] Jutomi~: My redo of Aussie's issue resulted in three different opinions, one from Aussie, one from SP, and one from Trotterdam.
  1124. [11:52 AM] Jutomi~: Ultimately I chose Trotterdam's path :laughing:
  1125. [11:52 AM] Excidium: Ah. I didn't know, my only real time in GI was the Chain Issue: An International Incident thread I started.
  1126. [11:52 AM] Unibot: Abhi, if you read over the training logs, you'll have read what I would say at the next training session.
  1127. [11:53 AM] Abhichandra: Ok, yeah I read through that
  1128. [11:53 AM] Abhichandra: And I moved to Warzone Africa
  1129. [11:53 AM] Unibot: But Abhi, if you know of any regional mates who might be interested in joining the mission, bring them along for tomorrow's training session.
  1130. [11:54 AM] Unibot: Oh you don't need to stay in Warzone Africa!
  1131. [11:54 AM] Abhichandra: Well, I was thinking about contacting a nation called Rahul Raghuraman
  1132. [11:54 AM] Unibot: That was just for the purposes of the demonstration
  1133. [11:54 AM] Abhichandra: Because they liberated a region a while back
  1134. [11:54 AM] Unibot: Oh okay!
  1135. [11:55 AM] Unibot: Any friends in NS you've got too are welcome.
  1136. [11:55 AM] Abhichandra: Ok
  1137. Ha! Abidawe has joined! You activated my trap card!Yesterday at 12:02 PM
  1138. [12:03 PM] [TCF][NSIDC] Abidawe: Hello @Unibot!
  1139. Crystalsummer joined your party.Yesterday at 12:05 PM
  1140. Where’s Trillius? In the server!Yesterday at 12:07 PM
  1141. [12:07 PM] Excidium: That's a lot of people.
  1142. [12:08 PM] [TCF][NSIDC] Abidawe: Yeah, Uni sent me an invite and told me to bring whoever could use training haha
  1143. [12:08 PM] Excidium: If this is just the people who need training, I can't imagine the actual defender force.
  1144. [12:09 PM] [TCF][NSIDC] Abidawe: Tbh, our entire org is in need of training but I'm hoping to just get my admins in here and have them use this to help train their departments
  1145. [12:10 PM] [TCF][NSIDC] Abidawe: https://discord.gg/ytXqFE7
  1146. join welcome
  1147. NSIDC
  1148. [12:10 PM] [TCF][NSIDC] Abidawe: Theres an invite for my org if you'd like to check it out
  1149. [12:19 PM] Unibot: Heh hi guys! Looking forward to training you guys tomorrow! Welcome!
  1150. [12:20 PM] [TCF][NSIDC] Abidawe: Thanks mate!
  1151. [12:44 PM] Abhichandra: welcome everyone!
  1152. [12:44 PM] Abhichandra: @Unibot I sent those two people telegrams
  1153. [12:45 PM] Abhichandra: that we talked about earlier
  1154. [12:47 PM] [TCF][NSIDC] Abidawe: Thanks Abhi!
  1155. A Bastiat has spawned in the server.Yesterday at 1:20 PM
  1156. [1:20 PM] Bastiat: A wild Bastiat appears
  1157. [1:21 PM] Abhichandra: hello and welcome!
  1158. [1:41 PM] Unibot: Hi Aclion!
  1159. [1:42 PM] Unibot: waves welcome
  1160. [1:59 PM] Excidium: Aclion? You're here too?
  1161. [1:59 PM] Bastiat: yepper
  1162. [1:59 PM] Excidium: SP and I are here. Wallenburg and Bananaistan are considering it.
  1163. [2:00 PM] Excidium: We're assembling a right GA army.
  1164. [2:00 PM] Bastiat: SC eat your heart out
  1165. [2:48 PM] Unibot: Heh
  1166. [2:48 PM] Unibot: GA authors made great defenders back in the day
  1167. [3:09 PM] Abhichandra: A nation called Rahul Raghuraman should be joining us tomorrow for part of the training
  1168. [3:14 PM] Unibot: Nice!
  1169. [3:27 PM] New Jarwel: someone with the discord name Agent Frost may or may not join us
  1170. [3:32 PM] Unibot: That's great
  1171. [3:32 PM] Unibot: Do you know him in NS?
  1172. [3:32 PM] Unibot: What's his Main Nation?
  1173. It's dangerous to go alone, take Heaveria!Yesterday at 3:32 PM
  1174. [3:32 PM] Unibot: Hi Heaveria
  1175. [3:32 PM] Abhichandra: hello
  1176. [3:32 PM] Heaveria: Hey!
  1177. [3:33 PM] Heaveria: What is this?
  1178. [3:33 PM] Unibot: Are you New Jarwel's friend?
  1179. [3:33 PM] New Jarwel: yeah, it's Nexus OD Corperations
  1180. [3:33 PM] New Jarwel: no
  1181. [3:33 PM] New Jarwel: but I know him
  1182. [3:33 PM] Unibot: Nice nice
  1183. [3:33 PM] Abhichandra: training cener
  1184. [3:33 PM] Abhichandra: center*
  1185. [3:33 PM] Heaveria: Nope. I saw link in NSIDC>
  1186. [3:33 PM] Heaveria: Fenda training?
  1187. [3:33 PM] Unibot: This is a training centre for an upcoming liberation
  1188. [3:33 PM] Unibot: Yup
  1189. [3:33 PM] Unibot: So the training session will take place tomorrow at 8:30 PM EST
  1190. [3:34 PM] Unibot: But you're welcome to hang around here
  1191. [3:34 PM] Heaveria: Ah ok. I don't believe I need any training :stuck_out_tongue:
  1192. Unless this is something differently unique?
  1193. [3:34 PM] Unibot: We like to chat
  1194. [3:34 PM] Abhichandra: ^
  1195. [3:34 PM] Unibot: This is ... pretty exhaustive training.
  1196. [3:34 PM] Unibot: I would be surprised if you didn't learn at least something. :p
  1197. [3:34 PM] Abhichandra: :p
  1198. [3:34 PM] Unibot: It'll also be fun!
  1199. [3:35 PM] Heaveria: Sounds intriguing! I may or may not stay. I need to keep my 100 server limit down :joy:
  1200. [3:36 PM] Abhichandra: :joy:
  1201. [3:37 PM] Unibot: Heh
  1202. [3:37 PM] Unibot: Wow
  1203. [3:38 PM] Unibot: Shall I put down on the list of willing volunteers for the mission, Heaveria?
  1204. [3:38 PM] Heaveria: No. I'm not aware of any specifics of this "mission".(edited)
  1205. [3:41 PM] Unibot: The target is major, so it's not being distributed yet.
  1206. [3:41 PM] Unibot: It's a big liberation.
  1207. [3:42 PM] Unibot: The list is just to receive mission details when the details are being distributed.
  1208. [3:42 PM] Unibot: But, no worries.
  1209. [3:44 PM] Heaveria: Are these all the people or more?
  1210. [3:48 PM] Unibot: These are just folks who need to be trained or have just received training.
  1211. [3:50 PM] Heaveria: Ah ok.
  1212. [3:52 PM] New Jarwel: just asking has the date of this been figured out?
  1213. [3:52 PM] Bastiat: btw Unibot you should know that oatlands foreign office is not a secure channel, you might want to remove the invite from it.(edited)
  1214. [3:54 PM] Excidium: @New Jarwel Probably not.
  1215. [3:55 PM] Excidium: Considering that there are security concerns with letting people know beforehand.
  1216. [3:55 PM] New Jarwel: ok
  1217. [3:55 PM] New Jarwel: I just wanted to know becuase I have plans next labor day weekend and I was hoping to see If It was then
  1218. [3:56 PM] Excidium: Eh, I'm just hoping it happens on a Tuesday, Thursday, or Sunday.
  1219. [3:56 PM] Excidium: Otherwise I might be at work during Major update...
  1220. [4:06 PM] Unibot: Done thanks @Bastiat
  1221. [4:06 PM] Unibot: I don't think it'll be labour day weekend, @New Jarwel
  1222. [4:07 PM] New Jarwel: good
  1223. [4:07 PM] New Jarwel: Im going to a festival
  1224. [4:07 PM] New Jarwel: by the name of Arts, Beats, and Eats
  1225. [4:07 PM] New Jarwel: really fun
  1226. [4:07 PM] New Jarwel: check It out one time
  1227. [5:31 PM] Hybera: just an idea but what if this could also include tips on how to build a R/D region
  1228. [5:58 PM] Unibot: Hmmm
  1229. [5:58 PM] Unibot: I've only ever managed the delegacy of TRR which is a bit different
  1230. [6:00 PM] [TCF][NSIDC] Abidawe: I could try and give some tips but the growth for my org has been relatively random
  1231. [6:00 PM] [TCF][NSIDC] Abidawe: We've rarely carried our true "recruitment" I generally just ask friends if their region will join and pull nations from them
  1232. [6:00 PM] [TCF][NSIDC] Abidawe: We've yet to start a TG campaign
  1233. AJ just arrived. Seems OP - please nerf.Yesterday at 6:35 PM
  1234. [6:35 PM] Unibot: Hi!
  1235. [6:35 PM] AJ: hi
  1236. [6:35 PM] Unibot: 8:30 EST PM tomnorrow is the training session. Aclion can explain further
  1237. [6:35 PM] Bastiat: >Seems OP - please nerf.
  1238. [6:35 PM] Unibot: Got to go!
  1239. [6:35 PM] Bastiat: can confirm
  1240. [6:36 PM] Bastiat: Wait I can? That's all I know, too!
  1241. [6:46 PM] Unibot: There's also a big liberation coming up
  1242. [6:47 PM] Unibot: Feel free to invite him to that!
  1243. [6:47 PM] Abhichandra: this server is growing fast :smiley:
  1244. [7:01 PM] Unibot: Yeah lots of people to train :p
  1245. [7:01 PM] Unibot: Hehe
  1246. [7:02 PM] Unibot: That's good!
  1247. [10:02 PM] Excidium: Tomorrow is the next training session? Oh, maybe I can make it.
  1248. [11:47 PM] Unibot: It's going to be repeat of the first, Excidium but you might enjoy it just because of the people that will be there. :smiley:
  1249. August 24, 2017
  1250. [2:18 AM] Excidium: I'll most likely be at an amusement park, but I'll try to see if I can slip in to attend.
  1251. [7:07 AM] Unibot: Nice :smiley:
  1252. Challenger approaching - aquaticidealist has appeared!Today at 11:01 AM
  1253. Mepes just joined. Hide your bananas.Today at 11:38 AM
  1254. [11:39 AM] Abhichandra: hello everyone
  1255. [11:44 AM] Excidium: Pkunk Alliance is a friend of mine and an FT roleplayer.
  1256. [11:44 AM] Excidium: Don't know who Mepes is.(edited)
  1257. [11:44 AM] Mepes: I saw link and I want to help
  1258. [11:46 AM] Mepes: My friend gave the link to me but he told me not to say who he was because he doesn't want to be with this
  1259. [2:31 PM] Unibot: Errrr, Mepes what is your main nation?
  1260. [2:32 PM] Unibot: Hello to Pkunk!
  1261. [2:41 PM] Jutomi~: Hiya :›
  1262. [2:41 PM] Unibot: Hey Jutsa!
  1263. [2:42 PM] Unibot: If you don't want to post your main Nation here, @Mepes , then telegram Unibot III from it
  1264. [3:46 PM] The Pkunk Alliance: Hello, there. It's an honor to finally meet you
  1265. [4:36 PM] Mepes: I sent it
  1266. It's dangerous to go alone, take S P A C E M A N!Today at 5:12 PM
  1267. [5:39 PM] S P A C E M A N: Hi there. I've been invited to this server by Unibot.
  1268. [5:40 PM] S P A C E M A N: Our government is still discussing whether we will participate in this in an official capacity, but I've never done R&D before so out of curiosity I decided to pop in.
  1269. It's a bird! It's a plane! Nevermind, it's just Arenque Rojo.Today at 5:48 PM
  1270. NEW MESSAGES
  1271. [5:52 PM] Unibot: Hey @S P A C E M A N - you're welcome here
  1272. [5:52 PM] Unibot: Which region is that?
  1273. [6:05 PM] S P A C E M A N: Axiom Supercluster
  1274. [6:20 PM] Unibot: Ah cool :smiley:
  1275. [6:21 PM] Unibot: I hope you have fun with the training
  1276. [6:23 PM] Unibot: Really glad you could make it, @S P A C E M A N
  1277. [7:09 PM] Unibot: An hour and half to go before we begin. Just as a reminder. Please have a WA nation ready before the lesson begins, since there will be simulated defences and liberations during this lesson.
  1278. [7:10 PM] Bastiat: Do we need to move it to a jump point?
  1279. [7:34 PM] Excidium: Defences and Liberations? Or just simulated Liberations?
  1280. [7:35 PM] Separatist Peoples: Probably both?
  1281. [7:35 PM] Unibot: Both!
  1282. [7:36 PM] Unibot: You can move to Warzone Africa if you like
  1283. [7:36 PM] Bastiat: Is that the target or jump point?
  1284. [7:37 PM] Separatist Peoples: Jump point' I'd imagine.
  1285. [7:37 PM] Unibot: That's the jump point, Aclion. Just to clarify to folks: these terms will be explained during the course of the training session.
  1286. [7:38 PM] S P A C E M A N: Hi, our government has just held a discussion involving this operation, and unfortunately we have decided that Axiom will not be participating in your liberation in any official capacity. Apologies for the timing.
  1287. [7:38 PM] Bastiat: @AJ poke poke:point_left:
  1288. [7:38 PM] Separatist Peoples: Well then.
  1289. [7:39 PM] S P A C E M A N: I might personally participate, if I can make the training session. Right now I need to go do something.
  1290. [7:39 PM] Unibot: Sure mate
  1291. [7:39 PM] Unibot: Feel free to just stick your account here and log it too if you can't attend personally.
  1292. [7:40 PM] Separatist Peoples: I'm looking forward to the strategic thinking opportunity.
  1293. [7:41 PM] Jutomi~: Say Unibot, are you alright with my trying it out again, or would you rather just have to focus on the newcomers? :stuck_out_tongue:
  1294. [7:46 PM] AJ: what?
  1295. [7:47 PM] Bastiat: Just making sure you're here c:
  1296. [7:47 PM] Unibot: You can try it out again Jutsa
  1297. [7:47 PM] Unibot: Just know it will be a repeat of the last training session.
  1298. [8:04 PM] Abhichandra: lol
  1299. [8:05 PM] Abhichandra: What what!? There's going to be a SECOND nuclear war day!
  1300. [8:05 PM] Separatist Peoples: More death and destruction
  1301. [8:05 PM] Unibot: Tim is just trolling people participating in the session. Block him if he tg's.
  1302. [8:06 PM] Unibot: SP do need two accounts in this channel or is one a fraud?
  1303. [8:07 PM] Unibot: @Separatist Peoples
  1304. [8:07 PM] Separatist Peoples: One is a fraud
  1305. [8:07 PM] Unibot: Thanks
  1306. [8:07 PM] Unibot: Dealt with
  1307. [8:07 PM] Separatist Peoples: Ty. I put law jokes as my avatars.
  1308. [8:08 PM] Separatist Peoples: For future reference.
  1309. [8:09 PM] Unibot: That was probably Tim but who knows.
  1310. [8:09 PM] Separatist Peoples: How did he get the url?
  1311. [8:10 PM] Unibot: It's an open session. But we've have our run-ins.
  1312. [8:10 PM] Separatist Peoples: Gotchya
  1313. [8:10 PM] Unibot: It's sad he's petty enough to try to crash a bloody training session, but it is what it is. *shrugs
  1314. [8:13 PM] Unibot: Okay fifteen mins to go.
  1315. [8:13 PM] Abhichandra: I'll probably participate
  1316. [8:13 PM] Abhichandra: for extra practice
  1317. [8:14 PM] Separatist Peoples: Sweet
  1318. [8:15 PM] Separatist Peoples: Real Estate law is weird. >.<
  1319. [8:16 PM] Unibot: How so, SP?
  1320. [8:16 PM] S P A C E M A N: Hey, any idea how long this training will last?
  1321. [8:17 PM] Unibot: I would plan for an hour. If you're in and out a points, Tis fine
  1322. [8:17 PM] Separatist Peoples: Its mishmashing old property concepts and more modernized contract concepts. Its hard to read.
  1323. [8:17 PM] Unibot: I have to pack for a vacation so I can't be too long myself :p
  1324. [8:17 PM] Unibot: I'm a "last minute man" when it comes to packing.
  1325. [8:17 PM] S P A C E M A N: Same
  1326. [8:17 PM] Unibot: MONTREAL!
  1327. [8:18 PM] Unibot: I can't wait. I love Montreal.
  1328. [8:18 PM] Separatist Peoples: Oh, you'll be pretty close to me.
  1329. [8:18 PM] Unibot: Ooooh
  1330. [8:18 PM] Unibot: You're Canadian too?
  1331. [8:18 PM] S P A C E M A N: I've got a paper to write for school, so as much as I'd like to I don't think I can take off an hour.
  1332. [8:18 PM] Separatist Peoples: No, I'm in the American Northeast.
  1333. [8:18 PM] Unibot: Parle francais ou ..? Oh
  1334. [8:18 PM] Unibot: Ah okay
  1335. [8:19 PM] S P A C E M A N: I see. Well, it's better than nothing.
  1336. [8:19 PM] Unibot: And we'll be doing cool but brief interactive segments that you may get a kick out of
  1337. [8:20 PM] Unibot: Ten minutes to go.
  1338. [8:25 PM] Abhichandra: Will we be starting in Warzone Africa?
  1339. [8:28 PM] Unibot: Yup
  1340. [8:28 PM] Abhichandra: Ok
  1341. [8:29 PM] Unibot: @New Jarwel you here?
  1342. [8:29 PM] Unibot: @everyone starting soon
  1343. [8:29 PM] Separatist Peoples: Sounds good.
  1344. [8:29 PM] New Jarwel: Im here
  1345. [8:29 PM] Abhichandra: ok
  1346. [8:29 PM] Unibot: Awesome :smiley:
  1347. [8:30 PM] Unibot: @Hybera should be 'round and @AJ and others
  1348. [8:31 PM] Unibot: Please make sure you have a WA nation ready to go.
  1349. [8:31 PM] Abhichandra: yep!
  1350. [8:31 PM] New Jarwel: ready to go
  1351. [8:31 PM] Jutomi~: Oh, sweet. :3
  1352. [8:31 PM] Unibot: Nice
  1353. [8:31 PM] Jutomi~: I better finish this draft review, then. Or I can just wait on it. :p
  1354. [8:32 PM] Unibot: @everyone please move your WA Nation to Warzone Africa to begin with. We'll begin in a minute - if you're coming in late, that's not a problem - just follow the backlog of text and catch up.
  1355. [8:33 PM] Bastiat: Ready
  1356. [8:33 PM] Abhichandra: same
  1357. [8:33 PM] Separatist Peoples: Already there.
  1358. [8:34 PM] New Jarwel: https://www.nationstates.net/region=warzone_africa
  1359. [8:34 PM] New Jarwel: this one?
  1360. [8:34 PM] Unibot: Yup
  1361. [8:34 PM] Hybera: I'm in
  1362. [8:34 PM] Unibot: Awesome
  1363. [8:34 PM] New Jarwel: there
  1364. [8:35 PM] Hybera: endorse Middenbourg?
  1365. [8:35 PM] Unibot: So I'm Unibot, former UDL founder and Chief - also former TRR Delegate.
  1366. [8:35 PM] Unibot: I'll order endorsements soon.
  1367. [8:35 PM] Unibot: Basically I'm experienced at defending and hoping to impart some basic skills to you to prepare you for any future missions you may or may not choose to partake in.
  1368. [8:35 PM] Unibot: And I'm also making tea. Anyone like Earl Grey?
  1369. [8:36 PM] Jutomi~: Oh, me, me, me!
  1370. [8:36 PM] Abhichandra: sure
  1371. [8:36 PM] Separatist Peoples: I'm a big fan of mint tea, myself.
  1372. [8:36 PM] Jutomi~: I love camomile.
  1373. [8:36 PM] Unibot: That was a cheap opportunity for myself to turn the kettle on.
  1374. [8:36 PM] Unibot: Kettle's boiling!
  1375. NEW MESSAGES
  1376. [8:37 PM] Jutomi~: I don't always wait until mine boils, mostly out of impatience.
  1377. [8:37 PM] Unibot: So, to answer your question @Hybera - yes, please endorse https://www.nationstates.net/nation=midenbourg
  1378. [8:37 PM] Unibot: But on top of that - endorse anyone who endorses midenbourg.
  1379. [8:37 PM] Hybera: ok
  1380. [8:37 PM] Jutomi~: Tea's awesome, but laziness and forgetfulness, which are co-banes of my existence, limit my intake of it.
  1381. [8:38 PM] Unibot: The region you're in, Warzone Africa, is serving today the purpose of a "staging ground" or "jump point" - defenders' terms for a region you prepare and pre-endorse in prior to a mission.
  1382. [8:39 PM] Unibot: Midenbourg is serving a role as "lead" - but everyone should recieve an endorsement from anyone, so the role as lead is purely cosmetic mostly.
  1383. [8:39 PM] Abhichandra: Yesterday I saw one of the raider's jump points
  1384. [8:39 PM] Unibot: When you endorse everyone endorsing a certain team-mate, this is called "cross-endorsing." Defenders do a lot of cross-endorsing.
  1385. [8:39 PM] Excidium: I'mma get ready to participate. Roller coaster I'm waiting for is delayed.
  1386. [8:40 PM] Jutomi~: lol
  1387. [8:40 PM] Unibot: So congratulations - for some of you, this is your first jump point, your first lead and your first cross-endorsement.
  1388. [8:40 PM] Unibot: Does @everyone understand the basic concepts I've just explained?
  1389. [8:40 PM] New Jarwel: yes
  1390. [8:40 PM] Separatist Peoples: What is the value in pre-endorsing? Do they carry over?
  1391. [8:40 PM] Unibot: Speak now or forever hold your peace (actually please do interrupt me if you don't understand, I can be a rubbish lecturer)
  1392. [8:41 PM] Unibot: SP don't spoil the surprise! :stuck_out_tongue:
  1393. [8:41 PM] Separatist Peoples: haha make up your mind
  1394. [8:41 PM] Unibot: Okay everyone looks pre-endorsed.
  1395. [8:41 PM] Separatist Peoples: W00t.
  1396. [8:41 PM] Unibot: New marching orders: MOVE TO https://www.nationstates.net/region=warzone_australia
  1397. [8:42 PM] Unibot: And now you'll notice on your pages something funny.
  1398. [8:42 PM] New Jarwel: YES SIR
  1399. [8:42 PM] Unibot: Your endorsements have carried over.
  1400. [8:42 PM] Unibot: You're still endorsed with one another.
  1401. [8:42 PM] Unibot: Take a look, check it out.
  1402. [8:42 PM] Separatist Peoples: Mine did not.
  1403. [8:42 PM] Unibot: Did you move?
  1404. [8:42 PM] Separatist Peoples: I did
  1405. [8:42 PM] Unibot: What nation?
  1406. [8:43 PM] Separatist Peoples: Cheyenne and Arapaho systems. I might have beena little far ahead
  1407. [8:43 PM] Unibot: Check now
  1408. [8:43 PM] Separatist Peoples: There itis.
  1409. [8:43 PM] Separatist Peoples: Ok
  1410. [8:43 PM] Jutomi~: :3
  1411. [8:43 PM] Unibot: You were just quick for this crowd. :wink:
  1412. [8:43 PM] Bastiat: yeah that jump order caughtme my suprise
  1413. [8:43 PM] Unibot: So, if you're not in the same region as the person you endorsed - your endorsements won't be visible or valid.
  1414. [8:44 PM] New Jarwel: my wifi Is just slow
  1415. [8:44 PM] Unibot: But provided neither nation has updated, your endorsement still kind of 'lingers' as a potential endorsement.
  1416. [8:44 PM] Excidium: Wait, SP, you're Cheyenne and Arapaho systems!?
  1417. [8:44 PM] Separatist Peoples: @Excidium , loving the Sllent Fleet.
  1418. [8:44 PM] Separatist Peoples: Yes I am
  1419. [8:44 PM] Unibot: You'll note I said the word, "updated."
  1420. [8:45 PM] Unibot: I usually take this point in the exercise to blab a long spiel about how update works.
  1421. [8:45 PM] Unibot: But in my opinion, it's the important thing I teach.
  1422. [8:45 PM] Unibot: Update is important because invasions and liberations depend on.
  1423. [8:45 PM] Unibot: We pre-endorse in jump points to save time, because we only have a few seconds once we move into target regions.
  1424. [8:46 PM] Unibot: And the reason WHY we only have a few seconds is because of update and the mechanics of update.
  1425. [8:47 PM] Unibot: The only opportune time to try to liberate a region is when the WA Delegate is decided - that is to say, a period twice a day when the region's WA Delegate is decided - we call that period "update." If you move too early or late before or after update, a WA Delegate can just eject and ban you at their leisure.
  1426. [8:48 PM] Unibot: To properly liberate a region, you have to give an invader WA Delegate as small a span of time to eject and ban you as possible.
  1427. [8:48 PM] Unibot: Does @everyone here understand why you should want to move JUST prior to a WA Delegate is decided (update)?
  1428. [8:48 PM] Separatist Peoples: Yes.
  1429. [8:49 PM] Unibot: Does anyone need any clarification?
  1430. [8:49 PM] Excidium: I have a question:
  1431. [8:49 PM] Unibot: Shoot!
  1432. [8:49 PM] Excidium: For actual missions, how close to update do defenders usually jump?
  1433. [8:49 PM] Unibot: 10 seconds is the norm.
  1434. [8:49 PM] Separatist Peoples: How do we know when update is?
  1435. [8:49 PM] Excidium: Ten seconds.
  1436. [8:50 PM] Unibot: Maybe a bit tighter, maybe a bit later but ten seconds is what we often aim for.
  1437. [8:50 PM] Excidium: I see. So even with two and three second jump times, defenders still leave room for mistakes?
  1438. [8:50 PM] Unibot: If you run tighter than ten, you run the risk of moving into the region too late ("missing update".) All it takes is a few defenders to miss update and you don't have enough endorsements.
  1439. [8:50 PM] Excidium: Ah. I see.
  1440. [8:51 PM] Unibot: Because defenders don't just have to move into a region usually, they also have to endorse a native delegate before they update.
  1441. [8:51 PM] Unibot: A professional defender can do that in three, but untrained defenders? Bah.
  1442. [8:51 PM] Excidium: SP asked how we know when update is.
  1443. [8:51 PM] Unibot: And there's also the risk of update variance.
  1444. [8:51 PM] Unibot: I will explain that soon.
  1445. [8:51 PM] Unibot: Getting to that!
  1446. [8:52 PM] Unibot: Okay, so I said update operates twice a day.
  1447. [8:52 PM] Unibot: One at midnight EST, another at noon EST.
  1448. [8:52 PM] Unibot: We call the midnight one, "major update." The noon one, "minor update."
  1449. [8:53 PM] Bastiat: What is the difference between major and minor?
  1450. [8:53 PM] Unibot: The major is called major because it's a tiny bit slower (more data to process) and census reports are updated then - and not the minor.
  1451. [8:53 PM] Unibot: Way back in my day, issues were only processed at the major too.
  1452. [8:53 PM] Unibot: So there was more of a pronounced difference.
  1453. [8:54 PM] Unibot: Update is a period of ABOUT an hour that the server takes to flush through every single nation and region and 'update' data.
  1454. [8:54 PM] Unibot: Relevant to liberations is update's processing of endorsements.
  1455. [8:54 PM] Abhichandra: Sorry I had to leave for a few minutes
  1456. [8:54 PM] Unibot: No worries.
  1457. [8:55 PM] Unibot: I'll take a second to explain a little more in depth how update works.
  1458. [8:55 PM] Unibot: I like to imagine update like a file cabinet.
  1459. [8:55 PM] Unibot: If you can imagine a file cabinet that has a file for every region in NS.
  1460. [8:55 PM] Unibot: And in these files are a page for every nation in every region in NS.
  1461. [8:56 PM] Unibot: The order of the piles (nations) in the file is by earliest residency.
  1462. [8:56 PM] Unibot: *of the paper
  1463. [8:57 PM] Unibot: The order of the files (regions) is a random order. But what's important is that the order is always the same - if say, The Rejected Realms updates before the North Pacific, it'll always update before TNP.
  1464. [8:57 PM] Separatist Peoples: Which region updates first?
  1465. [8:57 PM] Unibot: So new region are created, creating new files in the cabinet - and they get randomly pushed in somewhere in the cabinet, but they don't change the existing order.
  1466. [8:58 PM] Unibot: I have no idea what the current first region is.
  1467. [8:58 PM] Unibot: Hmpfies.
  1468. [8:58 PM] Abhichandra: Testregionia?
  1469. [8:58 PM] Unibot: The way to check is to download the region XML dump.
  1470. [8:58 PM] Unibot: No it's a random region.
  1471. [8:58 PM] Abhichandra: oh
  1472. [8:58 PM] Unibot: I don't have time to check the XML dumpfile at the moment, I'm afraid.
  1473. [8:58 PM] Separatist Peoples: No worries
  1474. [8:59 PM] Unibot: Probability dictates it's probably a random silly 1 nation puppet dump.
  1475. [8:59 PM] Unibot: Like most of NS. :stuck_out_tongue:
  1476. [8:59 PM] Abhichandra: lol
  1477. [8:59 PM] Unibot: Anyways when midnight or noon hits, update begins.
  1478. [8:59 PM] Unibot: And the server works away...
  1479. [8:59 PM] Unibot: It opens that file cabinet.
  1480. [8:59 PM] Unibot: Opening each file, flipping though each page.
  1481. [8:59 PM] Unibot: One by one by one.
  1482. [8:59 PM] Excidium: Does update for the very first region always start at exactly midnight EST?
  1483. [8:59 PM] Unibot: Processing endorsements, processing the delegacy.
  1484. [9:00 PM] Unibot: Yes.
  1485. [9:00 PM] Excidium: So the first region on the list, as long as it is known, always has a known update time?
  1486. [9:00 PM] Unibot: Sure.
  1487. [9:00 PM] Unibot: And it's the only one with a static update time too.
  1488. [9:01 PM] Unibot: Update suffers from a update variance
  1489. [9:01 PM] Unibot: *from what's called update variance.
  1490. [9:01 PM] Excidium: How large is update variance?
  1491. [9:02 PM] Unibot: Variance is only a few seconds usually. 10-30 seconds ish. Maybe worse.
  1492. [9:02 PM] Unibot: Okay sometimes a lot worse.
  1493. [9:02 PM] Unibot: Variance occurs because nations and regions die off and are created.
  1494. [9:02 PM] Bastiat: Some of the variance is artifical now isn't it?
  1495. [9:02 PM] Unibot: And regions just flucuate from size update to update due to migration.
  1496. [9:02 PM] Excidium: Wouldn't that mean that defenders and/or raiders would need to jump more than 10 seconds before to account for possible variance?
  1497. [9:03 PM] Unibot: Some but not a lot of it.
  1498. [9:03 PM] Unibot: Natural variance can be crazy.
  1499. [9:03 PM] Unibot: Not exactly, Excidium - that's beyond the scope of this lesson, but defenders can counteract natural variance by doing what's called triggering.
  1500. [9:03 PM] Unibot: That's why artifical variance had to be implemented.
  1501. [9:05 PM] Unibot: The basic idea of triggering is, if you know TRR updates 5 regions before TNP - and there's 100 nations in TRR and 30 in the other 5 regions. Then you know there's 250 nations between update beginning in TRR and TNP.
  1502. [9:05 PM] Unibot: So if TRR updates, you take the speed of update (something like a nation per 0.08 seconds or something - that number changes) and times it by 250.
  1503. [9:05 PM] Unibot: Anyways.
  1504. [9:06 PM] Unibot: That's way beyond the basics.
  1505. [9:06 PM] Excidium: I see. So you can manually predict update times.
  1506. [9:06 PM] Unibot: And I'm not explaining it well.
  1507. [9:06 PM] Unibot: That's an old way of triggering.
  1508. [9:06 PM] Unibot: We should move on, I want to teach liberation basics.
  1509. [9:07 PM] Separatist Peoples: ok
  1510. [9:07 PM] Unibot: Let's do a simulation of a liberation.
  1511. [9:07 PM] Unibot: Who's online right now?
  1512. [9:07 PM] Unibot: @everyone
  1513. [9:07 PM] Abhichandra: me
  1514. [9:07 PM] Bastiat: o/
  1515. [9:07 PM] Jutomi~: Me~
  1516. [9:07 PM] Separatist Peoples: me
  1517. [9:08 PM] Unibot: I feared I was boring you with the update rant. :stuck_out_tongue:
  1518. [9:08 PM] Unibot: Thanks for following.
  1519. [9:08 PM] New Jarwel: ummmmm
  1520. [9:08 PM] New Jarwel: I missed about half of It
  1521. [9:08 PM] Abhichandra: same
  1522. [9:08 PM] Unibot: That's not a problem.
  1523. [9:08 PM] Unibot: Triggering is pretty experienced stuff.
  1524. [9:08 PM] Unibot: I was just trying to answer a question.
  1525. [9:08 PM] Unibot: Anyways.
  1526. [9:09 PM] Unibot: You guys are already cross-endorsed.
  1527. [9:09 PM] Excidium: I'm still online. But about to hop on a rollercoaster.
  1528. [9:09 PM] Unibot: So let's imagine Warzone Australia is our jump point.
  1529. [9:09 PM] Separatist Peoples: Liberate while riding the coaster!!
  1530. [9:09 PM] Abhichandra: lol
  1531. [9:09 PM] Excidium: Yes. Pro defender status right there.
  1532. [9:09 PM] Unibot: Our target region will be https://www.nationstates.net/region=warzone_africa
  1533. [9:09 PM] Unibot: Do not move there yet
  1534. [9:09 PM] Unibot: DO NOT MOVE
  1535. [9:09 PM] Separatist Peoples: Ok.
  1536. [9:10 PM] Unibot: Never move to a target region just because it's linked.
  1537. [9:10 PM] Unibot: Remember, defenders have to wait till a move-time is given.
  1538. [9:10 PM] Abhichandra: but have a tab open right?
  1539. [9:10 PM] Unibot: Yup exactly.
  1540. [9:10 PM] Unibot: The target region link is given to you, so you can prepare a tab.
  1541. [9:10 PM] Unibot: A separate order has to be given to move.
  1542. [9:11 PM] Unibot: Because if you move too early, you're going to get banned by the invader delegate.
  1543. [9:11 PM] Unibot: Understand?
  1544. [9:11 PM] Abhichandra: yep
  1545. [9:11 PM] New Jarwel: got It
  1546. [9:11 PM] Separatist Peoples: And give away the trick, I imagine.
  1547. [9:11 PM] Unibot: Yeah but they often are watching us before we move :stuck_out_tongue:
  1548. [9:11 PM] Excidium: They can smell us. ;)
  1549. [9:11 PM] Unibot: Haha, more like we're obvious.
  1550. [9:12 PM] Unibot: Nations cross-endorsing each other in defender-regions :stuck_out_tongue:
  1551. [9:12 PM] Unibot: Before update.
  1552. [9:12 PM] Unibot: Kind of screams "LIBERATION"
  1553. [9:12 PM] New Jarwel: but If It happens to fast
  1554. [9:12 PM] New Jarwel: they cant do shit
  1555. [9:12 PM] New Jarwel: fast enough to not fuck up
  1556. [9:12 PM] New Jarwel: but fast enough to catch them off gaurd
  1557. [9:13 PM] Unibot: That's kind of what is going on: we're pre-endorsed and now we're moving into the target region, if we move JUST before it updates, the invader delegate has no time to respond?
  1558. [9:13 PM] Unibot: *respond.
  1559. [9:13 PM] Unibot: Does that make sense?
  1560. [9:13 PM] New Jarwel: yeah
  1561. [9:13 PM] Abhichandra: yes
  1562. [9:13 PM] Excidium: Yes. Ten seconds is very little time.
  1563. [9:13 PM] Unibot: Yeah.
  1564. [9:14 PM] Unibot: A good invader can get a few ejectees in that time.
  1565. [9:14 PM] Excidium: Seems like they could probably only banject maybe two or three nations in that time.
  1566. [9:14 PM] Unibot: But yeah.
  1567. [9:14 PM] Unibot: Two or three seems reasonable.
  1568. [9:14 PM] Unibot: Gest was a machine gun back in the day.
  1569. [9:14 PM] Unibot: 10 seconds was 20 nations for him. >_<
  1570. [9:14 PM] Unibot: It later emerged he was using an illegal script.
  1571. [9:14 PM] New Jarwel: how In the fuck?
  1572. [9:14 PM] New Jarwel: oh
  1573. [9:15 PM] Unibot: But you can imagine how hard it was to liberate against him for YEARS.
  1574. [9:15 PM] Unibot: I organized mission after mission after to face that dude.
  1575. [9:15 PM] Unibot: It's frustrating but alas.
  1576. [9:15 PM] Unibot: Okay we'll begin the simulated liberation soon!
  1577. [9:16 PM] Unibot: During a liberation, you want to keep quiet in the ranks. Often a commanding officer will give a signal that the "go command" is imminent
  1578. [9:16 PM] Unibot: He'll say something like...
  1579. [9:16 PM] Unibot: "Coming soon now..."
  1580. NEW MESSAGES
  1581. [9:16 PM] Unibot: So, let's imagine this is a proper liberation.
  1582. [9:16 PM] Unibot: You've got your tab set up.
  1583. [9:16 PM] Unibot: Move time is coming soon...
  1584. [9:17 PM] Unibot: Eyes here ...
  1585. [9:17 PM] Unibot: When the go command is given, move immediately ...
  1586. [9:17 PM] Unibot: Soon...
  1587. [9:17 PM] Bastiat: I need a target and region
  1588. [9:17 PM] Separatist Peoples: Check the backlog
  1589. [9:17 PM] Jutomi~: https://www.nationstates.net/region=warzone_africa
  1590. [9:18 PM] Unibot: ^
  1591. [9:18 PM] Jutomi~: That's our target. :p
  1592. [9:18 PM] Unibot: Move-time is coming soon...
  1593. [9:18 PM] Unibot: Keep your eyes here...
  1594. [9:18 PM] Unibot: GO!
  1595. [9:18 PM] Separatist Peoples: Nice
  1596. [9:18 PM] Jutomi~:
  1597. [screenshot of a security check]
  1598. [9:18 PM] Jutomi~: :thinking:
  1599. [9:19 PM] Jutomi~: Never had that happen before
  1600. [9:19 PM] Abhichandra: the move button was farther down than I expected
  1601. [9:19 PM] Jutomi~: Oh, woops
  1602. [9:19 PM] Unibot: I'll explain the security check thing.
  1603. [9:19 PM] Jutomi~: Somehow I was still logged in as Jutsa on that page but Yukjuleide on the other :laughing:
  1604. [9:19 PM] Unibot: It happens when you create a tab, but you wait so long to move that it triggers a "security check."
  1605. [9:19 PM] Unibot: Or that.
  1606. [9:20 PM] Unibot: Yeah that will cause that too.
  1607. [9:20 PM] Jutomi~: great. :laughing:
  1608. [9:20 PM] Unibot: Security checks also happen if a tab is just too damn old.
  1609. [9:20 PM] Unibot: They're annoying.
  1610. [9:20 PM] Unibot: Okay lets' see how you guys did...
  1611. [9:21 PM] Unibot: SP was first to move: 9:18:41 PM EDT
  1612. [9:21 PM] Unibot: Two seconds later, New Jarwel and Old West
  1613. [9:21 PM] Abhichandra: that's me
  1614. [9:21 PM] New Jarwel: again shitty wifi slowing me down
  1615. [9:21 PM] Unibot: Then Irish Volunteers after three seconds.
  1616. [9:21 PM] Unibot: No worries.
  1617. [9:22 PM] Unibot: Okay we'll try this basic maneuver once more.
  1618. [9:22 PM] Unibot: TARGET REGION: https://www.nationstates.net/region=warzone_europe
  1619. [9:22 PM] Unibot: Move-time is imminent, prepare your tab.
  1620. [9:23 PM] Unibot: Coming soon...
  1621. [9:23 PM] Unibot: ....
  1622. [9:23 PM] Unibot: ... here, commanding officers usually like to blab....
  1623. [9:23 PM] Unibot: ... blah blah blah blah ...
  1624. [9:24 PM] Unibot: .. confusing you into thinking that the go command has been given but it hasn't ....
  1625. [9:24 PM] Unibot: ...
  1626. [9:24 PM] Unibot: ... soon...
  1627. [9:24 PM] Unibot: ... eye's here...
  1628. [9:24 PM] Unibot: GO!
  1629. [9:25 PM] Abhichandra: SP you're so fast
  1630. [9:25 PM] Unibot: Lovely response time
  1631. [9:25 PM] Unibot: All of you
  1632. [9:25 PM] Separatist Peoples: My undergraduate days were spent playing COD
  1633. [9:25 PM] Jutomi~: lol
  1634. [9:25 PM] Jutomi~: nice
  1635. [9:25 PM] Excidium: I even got off the ride in time to join.
  1636. [9:25 PM] Unibot: 1st Irish Volunteers was first.
  1637. [9:25 PM] Separatist Peoples: Bastard! :stuck_out_tongue:
  1638. [9:26 PM] New Jarwel: I got gaming skills. my reaction time Is on fleek
  1639. [9:26 PM] Unibot: 1st Irish Volunteers
  1640. [9:26 PM] Unibot: Nice
  1641. [9:26 PM] Bastiat: I've been practicing against funk :stuck_out_tongue:
  1642. [9:26 PM] Unibot: Then Jesta a second later.
  1643. [9:26 PM] Separatist Peoples: Ugh, I'm slipping
  1644. [9:26 PM] Unibot: SP is tied with Jesta
  1645. [9:26 PM] Jutomi~: lol
  1646. [9:26 PM] Unibot: And with Abhi
  1647. [9:26 PM] Jutomi~: wow
  1648. [9:27 PM] Abhichandra: I almost added it to my dossier...lol
  1649. [9:27 PM] Unibot: New Jarwel was only a second later after that
  1650. [9:27 PM] Abhichandra: when I moved
  1651. [9:27 PM] Unibot: Excidium got off the rollercoaster and would have barely made move-time :stuck_out_tongue:
  1652. [9:27 PM] Unibot: Haha, yeah that happens.
  1653. [9:27 PM] Separatist Peoples: Which isn't bad, consdiering he's on a roller coaster
  1654. [9:27 PM] Unibot: I agree!
  1655. [9:27 PM] Jutomi~: lol
  1656. [9:27 PM] Abhichandra: haha
  1657. [9:28 PM] Unibot: So I think you're getting a hold of the basic liberation maneuver.
  1658. [9:28 PM] Unibot: Let's try with an additional step.
  1659. [9:28 PM] Unibot: In a conventional liberation, defenders often move into region and endorse a native before update.
  1660. [9:28 PM] Excidium: Hey, as long as it was under ten seconds, right?
  1661. 👍2
  1662. [9:29 PM] Unibot: But they have to do this in a span of time just prior to update.
  1663. [9:29 PM] Excidium: Unless we had to endorse...
  1664. [9:29 PM] Unibot: Err, I'll give you the win, Excidium :stuck_out_tongue:
  1665. [9:29 PM] New Jarwel: shit I gotta get my mouse If I have to do all this
  1666. [9:29 PM] Unibot: Hah, yeah this is going to be tricky without a mouse.
  1667. [9:29 PM] Excidium: You didn't have a mouse!?
  1668. [9:29 PM] Separatist Peoples: I've been using a touchpad.(edited)
  1669. [9:29 PM] Unibot: You did well to do it without a mouse.
  1670. [9:29 PM] Abhichandra: same
  1671. [9:29 PM] New Jarwel: same
  1672. [9:29 PM] Excidium: I mean, here I am on a phone.
  1673. [9:29 PM] Unibot: Hah.
  1674. [9:30 PM] Jutomi~: I'm using mouse, personally. :stuck_out_tongue:
  1675. [9:30 PM] Unibot: I use a mouse. I'm a veteran dammit.
  1676. [9:30 PM] Excidium: I think Discord lags a bit for me. It shows Unibot stop typing about a second before Go/Move appears.
  1677. [9:30 PM] Jutomi~: Just finished writing a review for Baggieland. :p
  1678. [9:30 PM] Unibot: No ....
  1679. [9:30 PM] Unibot: That's because I type Go before I submit
  1680. [9:30 PM] Excidium: I see.
  1681. [9:30 PM] Unibot: I wait a bit to be a bastard (but that's the reality.)
  1682. [9:30 PM] Unibot: Often you're just sitting their in anticipation, waiting...
  1683. [9:30 PM] Unibot: *there in
  1684. [9:31 PM] Unibot: Okay so
  1685. [9:31 PM] Unibot: New marching orders!
  1686. [9:31 PM] Jutomi~: This is making me hungry. Hmm... :Thanking:
  1687. [9:31 PM] Unibot: TARGET REGION: https://www.nationstates.net/region=warzone_africa
  1688. [9:32 PM] Unibot: NATIVE DELEGATE: https://www.nationstates.net/nation=japanese_occupied_korea
  1689. [9:32 PM] Unibot: So have tabs open for both.
  1690. [9:32 PM] Unibot: When you move into the target region, you'll have to endorse the native delegate.
  1691. [9:32 PM] Unibot: You'll have to refresh the native page to endorse him.
  1692. [9:33 PM] Unibot: So it's 1) Move, 2) Refresh native page, 3) Endorse
  1693. [9:33 PM] Abhichandra: got it
  1694. [9:33 PM] Unibot: I often use F5 to refresh
  1695. [9:33 PM] Unibot: A professional defender can do this in two seconds flat.
  1696. [9:33 PM] Unibot: Three is acceptable.
  1697. [9:33 PM] Unibot: Anything more than that and you're either on a mobile, slow, or new. :stuck_out_tongue:
  1698. [9:34 PM] Jutomi~: And it seems that most of us are at least two of those :laughing:
  1699. [9:34 PM] Unibot: Hah
  1700. [9:34 PM] Unibot: You guys are okay for training. :wink:
  1701. [9:34 PM] Unibot: Alright.
  1702. [9:34 PM] Unibot: Move-time is imminent
  1703. [9:34 PM] Unibot: Get your tabs sorted out.
  1704. [9:35 PM] Unibot: Coming soon...
  1705. [9:35 PM] Unibot: ....Watch for it....
  1706. [9:36 PM] Unibot: GO!
  1707. [9:36 PM] Jutomi~: Oh derp, I was already endorsed to him :laughing:
  1708. [9:36 PM] Abhichandra: lol
  1709. [9:36 PM] Excidium: F***
  1710. [9:36 PM] Separatist Peoples: I was wondering how you were that fast
  1711. [9:36 PM] Unibot: Move-time response was EXCELLENT.
  1712. [9:36 PM] Unibot: You almost all moved in unison.
  1713. [9:36 PM] Excidium: I was trying out multiview on Android.
  1714. [9:37 PM] Excidium: It failed epically.
  1715. [9:37 PM] Separatist Peoples: Multiview is rough.
  1716. [9:37 PM] Abhichandra: same @Separatist Peoples
  1717. [9:37 PM] Jutomi~: I had the problem that I was already endorsed and had to reendorse him :laughing:
  1718. [9:37 PM] Unibot: Three of you were three seconds from move-to-endorse
  1719. [9:37 PM] Unibot: Which is "acceptable" ! :smile:
  1720. [9:37 PM] Unibot: Even for pros.
  1721. [9:37 PM] Bastiat: :dark_sunglasses:
  1722. [9:37 PM] Unibot: Two of you were four seconds from move-to-endorse.
  1723. [9:37 PM] Unibot: Which is "good, but needs more work."
  1724. [9:38 PM] Excidium: I opened the multiview but hadn't closed original chrome and hadn't opened up the delagate's tab in multiview.
  1725. [9:38 PM] Unibot: I'm happy with these results, but would you guys like to try once more?
  1726. [9:38 PM] New Jarwel: who got the three?
  1727. [9:38 PM] Abhichandra: sure
  1728. [9:38 PM] Separatist Peoples: Sure. THis time I will set up my f5
  1729. [9:38 PM] Jutomi~: Yeah, I'll make sure to unendorse this time >.>
  1730. [9:38 PM] Excidium: So I ended up having to switch to chrome and had two chromes plastered on my screen.
  1731. [9:38 PM] Unibot: Techincally New Jarwel, you moved and endorsed in two seconds but you were delayed by a second from moving.
  1732. [9:39 PM] Unibot: So New Jarwel had the fasted move-to-endorse time, but just went a second later.
  1733. [9:39 PM] Unibot: *fastest
  1734. [9:39 PM] Separatist Peoples: Teacher's Pet!
  1735. [9:39 PM] Excidium: What was my move time, given I did not endorse?
  1736. [9:39 PM] Unibot: I don't think you endorsed.
  1737. [9:40 PM] Excidium: I know I didn't.
  1738. [9:40 PM] Unibot: You moved in unison with the rest of the group.
  1739. [9:40 PM] Unibot: So perfect timing, just didn't endorse.
  1740. [9:40 PM] Excidium: I ended up refreshing a page examining how to multiview XD
  1741. [9:40 PM] Separatist Peoples: Thats why we train, though
  1742. [9:40 PM] Separatist Peoples: I'm game for another attempt
  1743. [9:40 PM] Unibot: Exactly!
  1744. [9:40 PM] Jutomi~: ^^
  1745. [9:40 PM] Unibot: Okay let's do another simulation.
  1746. [9:41 PM] Unibot: TARGET REGION: https://www.nationstates.net/region=warzone_europe
  1747. [9:41 PM] Unibot: NATIVE DELEGATE: https://www.nationstates.net/nation=ancian
  1748. [9:42 PM] Unibot: Move time is soon.
  1749. [9:42 PM] Unibot: Prepare your tabs
  1750. [9:42 PM] Unibot: >_>
  1751. [9:42 PM] Unibot: <_<
  1752. [9:42 PM] Jutomi~: Fingers crossed I'm not endorsed to this guy
  1753. [9:43 PM] Unibot: I'll check
  1754. Akkara just showed up. Hold my beer.Today at 9:43 PM
  1755. [9:43 PM] Abhichandra: hello
  1756. [9:43 PM] Jutomi~: hiya
  1757. [9:43 PM] Unibot: No you're not
  1758. [9:43 PM] Jutomi~: yay
  1759. [9:43 PM] Unibot: Hi Akkara
  1760. [9:43 PM] Akkara: Hi!
  1761. [9:43 PM] Unibot: What region are you from?
  1762. [9:43 PM] Maldurich: One of the triumvirs from Axiom :smile:
  1763. [9:43 PM] Unibot: Ah
  1764. [9:43 PM] Unibot: Haha, nice!
  1765. [9:43 PM] Maldurich: It appears I missed the training mission? lel
  1766. [9:44 PM] Unibot: Sorry you're a bit late for the training mission.
  1767. [9:44 PM] Maldurich: Thanks
  1768. [9:44 PM] Unibot: Yeah
  1769. [9:44 PM] Maldurich: Yeah, had work.
  1770. [9:44 PM] Unibot: No worries.
  1771. [9:44 PM] Unibot: I unfortunately don't have to repeat the training session.
  1772. [9:44 PM] Unibot: At least not tonight.
  1773. [9:44 PM] Maldurich: Yeah, I didn't expect you to
  1774. [9:44 PM] Unibot: Under different circumstances I would.
  1775. [9:45 PM] Maldurich: Heh. What exactly does this liberation involve?
  1776. [9:45 PM] Unibot: As for everyone waiting on me to give a move-time
  1777. [9:45 PM] Unibot: Eyes here
  1778. [9:45 PM] Separatist Peoples: Liberating people. :smile:
  1779. [9:45 PM] Separatist Peoples: Ok
  1780. [9:45 PM] Unibot: Move-time is still imminent
  1781. [9:45 PM] Unibot: Prepare for a move
  1782. [9:45 PM] Unibot: Eyes here...
  1783. [9:45 PM] Unibot: GO!
  1784. [9:45 PM] Unibot: Maldurich, this is what a liberation looks like. :stuck_out_tongue:
  1785. [9:45 PM] Separatist Peoples: Damn, I lagged.
  1786. [9:45 PM] Jutomi~: I know that took at least 3, probably 4 seconds :p
  1787. [9:46 PM] New Jarwel: I was checking something else out
  1788. [9:46 PM] Maldurich: @Unibot Sounds like what an NPO defender described :stuck_out_tongue:
  1789. [9:46 PM] Excidium: Okay, SP. So did I.
  1790. [9:46 PM] New Jarwel: so caught off gaurd
  1791. [9:46 PM] Separatist Peoples: Experimented with two simultaneous windows.
  1792. [9:46 PM] Bastiat: lost a second refeshing twice >.>
  1793. [9:46 PM] Jutomi~: If 5 then I'm sad :p
  1794. [9:46 PM] Separatist Peoples: Doesn't work so well
  1795. [9:46 PM] Abhichandra: same @New Jarwel
  1796. [9:46 PM] Excidium: Yeah, I think I got two windows down. Just it made scrolling on such a small page a pain...
  1797. [9:46 PM] Jutomi~: Two windows works better for me.
  1798. [9:46 PM] Unibot: Do you guys want to do another training simulation....
  1799. [9:46 PM] Maldurich: lol
  1800. [9:46 PM] New Jarwel: yeah 2nd one went like shit
  1801. [9:46 PM] Separatist Peoples: Wasit that bad?
  1802. [9:46 PM] Unibot: And Mald can join in?
  1803. [9:46 PM] Excidium: So move time was good but endorse was not so good for me.
  1804. [9:47 PM] Abhichandra: haha @Separatist Peoples
  1805. [9:47 PM] Jutomi~: How bad was I? :laughing:
  1806. [9:47 PM] Unibot: @Maldurich would you like to join in?
  1807. [9:47 PM] Maldurich: It's me first time doing any raiding/defending, but sure
  1808. [9:47 PM] Excidium: I want to know if I beat my record of 9,seconds.
  1809. [9:47 PM] Unibot: Okay mate
  1810. [9:47 PM] Maldurich: where does it happen?
  1811. [9:47 PM] Unibot: Move your WA Nation to Warzone Europe.
  1812. [9:47 PM] Separatist Peoples: I'm guessing that took me 4. Maybe even 5. >.<
  1813. [9:47 PM] Unibot: https://www.nationstates.net/region=warzone_europe
  1814. [9:47 PM] Maldurich: hum
  1815. [9:47 PM] Maldurich: may take a while
  1816. [9:48 PM] Maldurich: internet is lagging unfortunately
  1817. [9:48 PM] Unibot: Ah, lagging is no good for these simulations.
  1818. [9:48 PM] Maldurich: lol, it's usually at 50MBps
  1819. [9:48 PM] Excidium: Forget Call of Duty. This is real "lag is real" game...
  1820. [9:48 PM] Maldurich: but slow for some reason rn
  1821. [9:48 PM] Maldurich: probably high consumption time
  1822. [9:49 PM] Separatist Peoples: CoD lag is no big deal. Respawn isn't a thing here.
  1823. [9:49 PM] Separatist Peoples: Also, no noobtubes
  1824. [9:49 PM] Excidium: Anyways, Unibot, what was my time? I really wanna know.
  1825. [9:49 PM] Unibot: Okay, so TARGET REGION: https://www.nationstates.net/region=warzone_australia
  1826. [9:49 PM] Unibot: NATIVE DELEGATE: https://www.nationstates.net/nation=polldger
  1827. [9:49 PM] Maldurich: oneseconeseconesec kek
  1828. [9:49 PM] Jutomi~: I'm moving just so I can unendorse
  1829. [9:49 PM] Unibot: So everyone should prepare tabs for Warzone Australia and Polldger.
  1830. [9:49 PM] Unibot: Oh shit
  1831. [9:50 PM] Unibot: Yeah we can't use there
  1832. [9:50 PM] Jutomi~: oh wait I'm not endorsed LOL
  1833. [9:50 PM] Abhichandra: why not
  1834. [9:50 PM] Unibot: Did we not use there?
  1835. [9:50 PM] Unibot: Good
  1836. [9:50 PM] Unibot: Then we can use Warzone Australia
  1837. [9:50 PM] Unibot: Alrighty
  1838. [9:50 PM] Maldurich: I've moved my WA puppet to warzone europe
  1839. [9:50 PM] Maldurich: oh
  1840. [9:50 PM] Maldurich: we're moving again?
  1841. [9:50 PM] Maldurich: hum
  1842. [9:50 PM] Unibot: Maldurich, to clarify: you're not moving yet
  1843. [9:50 PM] Unibot: Do not move
  1844. [9:50 PM] Maldurich: to where?
  1845. [9:51 PM] Maldurich: ahh warzone is the target
  1846. [9:51 PM] Unibot: Warzone Europe is what is called a "jump point" - it's a region that defenders prepare in
  1847. [9:51 PM] Maldurich: sorry
  1848. [9:51 PM] Maldurich: ah k
  1849. [9:51 PM] Unibot: Warzone Australia is the target region.
  1850. [9:51 PM] Maldurich: alright
  1851. [9:51 PM] Excidium: So Warzone Australia is the target?
  1852. [9:51 PM] Urthanas: aye
  1853. [9:51 PM] Jutomi~: Getting these regional telegrams
  1854. [9:51 PM] Unibot: We only move into our target regions when a commanding officer gives the go command.
  1855. [9:51 PM] Abhichandra: and Polldger is the native target
  1856. [9:51 PM] Urthanas: wow, this is fast paced lol
  1857. [9:52 PM] Jutomi~: oui
  1858. [9:52 PM] Unibot: Warzone Australia is the target.
  1859. [9:52 PM] Separatist Peoples: Got a mouse this time
  1860. [9:52 PM] Unibot: Oooh nice, SP.
  1861. [9:52 PM] Jutomi~: gl
  1862. [9:52 PM] Urthanas: k, internet speeds are back up
  1863. [9:52 PM] Excidium: Got my tabs figured out
  1864. [9:52 PM] Urthanas: for the time being...
  1865. [9:52 PM] Urthanas: kek
  1866. [9:52 PM] Urthanas: same here
  1867. [9:52 PM] Urthanas: so we're moving from Europe to Australia correct?
  1868. [9:52 PM] Unibot: Okay so just to clarify for everyone, they should have tabs open for https://www.nationstates.net/region=warzone_australia (Target region) and https://www.nationstates.net/nation=polldger (native delegate)
  1869. [9:52 PM] Unibot: Yeah
  1870. [9:52 PM] Urthanas: cool
  1871. [9:53 PM] Urthanas: so what do we do to polldger?
  1872. [9:53 PM] New Jarwel: endorse
  1873. [9:53 PM] Unibot: And when I give the go command, you move into Warzone Australia and endorse Polldger PRONTO
  1874. [9:53 PM] Abhichandra: endorse once we move
  1875. [9:53 PM] Urthanas: ah k
  1876. [9:53 PM] Unibot: As soon as you can, endorse
  1877. [9:53 PM] Urthanas: gotcha
  1878. [9:53 PM] Abhichandra: but first re-frsh the page
  1879. [9:53 PM] Urthanas: kk
  1880. [9:53 PM] Abhichandra: refresh*
  1881. [9:53 PM] Unibot: But you'll need to refresh the page to endorse him
  1882. [9:53 PM] Separatist Peoples: f5 it
  1883. [9:53 PM] Excidium: After the simulation I have a question.
  1884. [9:53 PM] Unibot: F5 works to refresh a page.
  1885. [9:53 PM] Unibot: Sure Excidium.
  1886. [9:53 PM] New Jarwel: or for me just refresh It normally becuase my F5 brings down brightness
  1887. [9:53 PM] Unibot: Okay in a minute, I'll give the go-time.
  1888. [9:54 PM] Abhichandra: same
  1889. [9:54 PM] Unibot: F5 can be a brightness key.
  1890. [9:54 PM] Urthanas: keybaoard shortcuts ftw tho
  1891. [9:54 PM] Urthanas: just ctrl+r
  1892. [9:54 PM] Urthanas: kek
  1893. [9:54 PM] Unibot: Alrighty.
  1894. [9:54 PM] Unibot: Eyes here, waiting for the go command.
  1895. [9:54 PM] Unibot: Quiet in the ranks.
  1896. [9:54 PM] Unibot: Move is imminent.
  1897. [9:54 PM] Unibot: ....
  1898. [9:54 PM] Unibot: ... wait for it...
  1899. [9:54 PM] Unibot: .... wait ....
  1900. [9:55 PM] Unibot: ... commanders like to be assholes and keep typing here ....
  1901. [9:55 PM] Unibot: ...
  1902. [9:55 PM] Unibot: ....
  1903. [9:55 PM] Unibot: GO!
  1904. [9:55 PM] Urthanas: done
  1905. [9:55 PM] New Jarwel: DAMN WIFI
  1906. [9:55 PM] Urthanas: lol
  1907. [9:55 PM] Separatist Peoples: refresh took a minute longer than i wanted
  1908. [9:55 PM] Jutomi~: Only took three attempts to click the endorse button. woohoo :laughing:
  1909. [9:56 PM] Urthanas: lol
  1910. [9:56 PM] Urthanas: @Unibot right, so
  1911. [9:56 PM] Bastiat: slow on the move that time
  1912. [9:56 PM] Excidium: I forgot to refresh.
  1913. [9:56 PM] Urthanas: at polldger's page
  1914. [9:56 PM] Abhichandra: Got to go, bye Uni
  1915. [9:56 PM] Urthanas: it says "Endorsements Received: 7 »
  1916. WA update pending: Nation has 2 verified endorsements."
  1917. [9:56 PM] Separatist Peoples: How did we do?
  1918. [9:56 PM] Jutomi~: Bye Abhi :(
  1919. [9:56 PM] Urthanas: cya abhi
  1920. [9:56 PM] Unibot: See you Abhi!
  1921. [9:56 PM] Excidium: But I think it was pretty good.
  1922. [9:56 PM] Unibot: Jesta did best, 50:31 PM EDT - and three seconds to endorse.
  1923. [9:56 PM] Urthanas: :clap:
  1924. [9:56 PM] Jutomi~: Next time I'll see if I can one-click it :p
  1925. [9:56 PM] Urthanas: lol
  1926. [9:57 PM] New Jarwel: did I do the same as the last good one with late move time but good endorse time?
  1927. [9:57 PM] Urthanas: @Unibot
  1928. "Endorsements Received: 7 »
  1929. WA update pending: Nation has 2 verified endorsements."
  1930. What does this mean?
  1931. [9:57 PM] Unibot: New Jarwel did the same thing he did last time, moved a second late, but move-to-endo was two seconds.
  1932. [9:57 PM] Separatist Peoples: How do you move to endo so fast?!
  1933. [9:57 PM] Separatist Peoples: damn
  1934. [9:57 PM] Unibot: That means that update you had two endorsements, but you currently have seven.
  1935. [9:57 PM] Urthanas: ahh
  1936. [9:57 PM] Jutomi~: I'm off for nomnoms. Take care. :3
  1937. [9:57 PM] Unibot: SP, I can do two seconds easily :stuck_out_tongue:
  1938. [9:57 PM] Urthanas: cya @Jutomi~
  1939. [9:58 PM] Unibot: Urthanas, what's your main nation btw?
  1940. [9:58 PM] Separatist Peoples: but how
  1941. [9:58 PM] Separatist Peoples: Witchcraft
  1942. [9:58 PM] Urthanas: I usually use Maldurich, since it's the most active
  1943. [9:58 PM] Unibot: And I'm afraid I'll be off soon to. Got to pack for my vacation.
  1944. [9:58 PM] Urthanas: but Urthanas is my oldest
  1945. [9:58 PM] Urthanas: same here
  1946. [9:58 PM] Unibot: Okay cool.
  1947. [9:58 PM] Urthanas: dinner time
  1948. [9:58 PM] Jutomi~: spazzing uncontrollably and panicking hysterically
  1949. [9:58 PM] Urthanas: cy'all!
  1950. [9:58 PM] Excidium: On a PC I could prolly do as well.
  1951. [9:58 PM] Separatist Peoples: I wonder if school WIFI is better
  1952. [9:59 PM] Excidium: Not 2 seconds, but maybe 3.
  1953. [9:59 PM] Excidium: If you have Discord and both tabs all open and in view, click move as soon as you see the command and then refresh the other tab and click endorse. Sounds easy in practice. I'll have to try it next time I am on a PC.
  1954. [10:00 PM] Unibot: Alrighty guys, feel free to hang out here, but I gotta go.
  1955. [10:00 PM] Unibot: Good luck.
  1956. [10:00 PM] Unibot: I hope it was fun.
  1957. [10:00 PM] Separatist Peoples: Have fun!
  1958. [10:00 PM] Excidium: No!
  1959. [10:00 PM] Unibot: Excidium?
  1960. [10:00 PM] Excidium: I still wanna know my time!
  1961. [10:00 PM] Unibot: Haha
  1962. [10:00 PM] Separatist Peoples: Oh yeah, me too
  1963. [10:00 PM] Unibot: https://www.nationstates.net/page=activity/view=region.warzone_australia
  1964. [10:00 PM] Unibot: This is how you look up times
  1965. [10:00 PM] Unibot: Click the dates
  1966. [10:00 PM] Unibot: And it shows exact times.
  1967. [10:01 PM] Bastiat: oh neat
  1968. [10:01 PM] Unibot: That can allow you guys to run your own simulations if you like.
  1969. [10:01 PM] Unibot: Who is the most experienced here?
  1970. [10:01 PM] Unibot: Aclion?
  1971. [10:01 PM] Unibot: Feel free to choose a commander and run your own drills, but I must be off.
  1972. [10:01 PM] Unibot: So o/
  1973. [10:01 PM] Unibot: See you guys, I had fun. Thanks.
  1974. [10:01 PM] Separatist Peoples: Cheers!
  1975. [10:01 PM] Separatist Peoples: It was fun
  1976. [10:02 PM] Unibot: Yeah you're a great bunch! :smiley:
  1977. [10:02 PM] Excidium: Oh, also, will the mission involve endorsing a native or just jumping preendorsed?
  1978. [10:02 PM] Separatist Peoples: 3 seconds between move and endorse.
  1979. [10:02 PM] Excidium: Or is that something you cannot give away?(edited)
  1980. [10:03 PM] Separatist Peoples: Probably a 2 second move. 5 seconds. Too slow.
  1981. [10:03 PM] New Jarwel: well time to just chill around and waste time on discord
  1982. [10:03 PM] Excidium: Yeah, I got a two second move but ten seconds to endorse...
  1983. [10:03 PM] New Jarwel: anybody know of the Mackinac Bridge Walk On Labor Day?
  1984. [10:04 PM] New Jarwel: The are closing the bridge to cars from 6:30 to noon
  1985. [10:04 PM] Separatist Peoples: Seriously, how do people do the 2 second move/endo? Just fast hands?(edited)
  1986. [10:04 PM] Excidium: Fast hands, prolly fast internet.
  1987. [10:04 PM] Separatist Peoples: I have mediocre internet.
  1988. [10:05 PM] New Jarwel: i have good internet, but crappy computer that makes wifi crap
  1989. [10:05 PM] Excidium: You could artificially get faster times by moving into the target region first, open the endorser's page while you are still there, and then moving to the jump region.
  1990. [10:05 PM] Excidium: It would eliminate the need to refresh the page, but it only works in training, obviously.
  1991. [10:06 PM] Separatist Peoples: Huh.
  1992. [10:06 PM] Separatist Peoples: yeah
  1993. [10:06 PM] Bastiat: You risk being hit by the security check and getting banjected by doing that(edited)
  1994. [10:07 PM] Excidium: Really?
  1995. [10:07 PM] Excidium: I suppose there are things that check speed.
  1996. [10:07 PM] Excidium: And moving and endorsing too fast might get you banned for illegal tools or something.
  1997. [10:07 PM] Separatist Peoples: Ideally, I ought not be also doing Contract Design homework
  1998. [10:08 PM] Separatist Peoples: How To Swindle 201
  1999. [10:08 PM] Excidium: Ideally, I should be at school on one of their PCs instead of in a car using 4GLTE on a phone.
  2000. [10:20 PM] Jutomi~: Mission successful.
  2001. [10:20 PM] Jutomi~: I had a yummy meal. :laughing:
  2002. [10:20 PM] New Jarwel: you make me sad
  2003. [10:20 PM] New Jarwel: I've been having fast food for the past two weeks
  2004. [10:33 PM] Jutomi~: aw
  2005. [11:49 PM] Excidium: Be thankful you have that.
  2006. [11:50 PM] Excidium: I've been living off frozen dinners and instant ramen.
  2007. [4:05 AM] Excidium: Aclion, you on?
  2008. [4:08 AM] Excidium: Sorry, @Bastiat
  2009. [4:08 AM] Bastiat: o/
  2010. [4:10 AM] Excidium: Can you do me a favor?
  2011. [4:11 AM] Excidium: I'd like to practice a bit more. But I need someone to give the move order.
  2012. [4:11 AM] Excidium: Time myself, practice using multiple tabs on mobile.
  2013. [4:12 AM] Bastiat: Alright, what region are you in now?
  2014. [4:13 AM] Excidium: Warzone Europe, I think?
  2015. [4:13 AM] Excidium: Hold on.
  2016. [4:15 AM] Excidium: Yes, WZ Europe.
  2017. [4:19 AM] Excidium: You actually gonna say something?
  2018. [4:19 AM] Bastiat: yeah i'm trying to set up a time first though
  2019. [4:21 AM] Bastiat: okay , your target is https://www.nationstates.net/region=warzone_australia (Target region) and https://www.nationstates.net/nation=polldger (native delegate) jump in ~30s
  2020. [4:22 AM] Bastiat: go!
  2021. [4:23 AM] Excidium: Well, failure.I tried to scroll and hit the stat trends page.
  2022. [4:23 AM] Bastiat: yeah I realised 30 seconds was not a lot of time to set things up :/
  2023. [4:24 AM] Excidium: Let's try again?
  2024. [4:24 AM] Excidium: 30 seconds was not a lot of time
  2025. [4:24 AM] Excidium: I barely had tboth tabs open before you said go.
  2026. [4:25 AM] Bastiat: :p
  2027. [4:26 AM] Excidium: I need to get this down on mobile in case the liberation happens when I am away from a computer.
  2028. [4:27 AM] Bastiat: target is https://www.nationstates.net/region=warzone_sandbox (Target region) and https://www.nationstates.net/nation=intelligenerian_military_14 (native delegate) jump in 2 mins, will give 30 second warning
  2029. [4:27 AM] Excidium: literally me right:
  2030. [screenshot of region page]
  2031. [4:28 AM] Excidium: Alright ready.
  2032. [4:28 AM] Bastiat: 30 seconds
  2033. [4:29 AM] Bastiat: GO!
  2034. [4:29 AM] Excidium: Damn.
  2035. [4:29 AM] Excidium: Better, but I missed the endorse button.
  2036. [4:30 AM] Excidium: It was twelve seconds from move to endorse though.
  2037. [4:30 AM] Excidium: I can do better.
  2038. [4:32 AM] Bastiat: target is https://www.nationstates.net/region=warzone_europe (Target region) and https://www.nationstates.net/nation=ancian (native delegate) jump in 2 mins, will give 30 second warning
  2039. [4:33 AM] Excidium: K.
  2040. [4:34 AM] Bastiat: 30s
  2041. [4:34 AM] Bastiat: actually a bit less
  2042. [4:34 AM] Bastiat: GO!
  2043. [4:35 AM] Excidium: Okay, this is starting to piss me off.
  2044. [4:36 AM] Bastiat: I really don't think doing this on mobile is feasable :/
  2045. [4:36 AM] Excidium: I scroll down after refreshing, ads or whatever load and the whole page moves (but I was expecting that and didn't tap anything) and then I go to hit endorse... page moves again and I click some random nation on the endorse list.
  2046. [4:37 AM] Bastiat: I forgot NS has ads :stuck_out_tongue:
  2047. [4:39 AM] Bastiat: target is https://www.nationstates.net/region=warzone_airspace (Target region) and https://www.nationstates.net/nation=crisisies (native delegate) jump in 2 mins, will give 30 second warning
  2048. [4:40 AM] Excidium: I'm beginning to think there is no hope for defending on a phone.
  2049. [4:40 AM] Bastiat: you can still pile in after to help against the raider counter
  2050. [4:41 AM] Bastiat: also 30s
  2051. [4:41 AM] Bastiat: GO!
  2052. [4:42 AM] Excidium: Thanks for the help anyways, Aclion.
  2053. [4:42 AM] Bastiat: NP.
  2054. [4:43 AM] Bastiat: hey 6 secs is pretty good(edited)
  2055. [4:44 AM] Excidium: Alright, just focusing on the move to endorse times. I moved to Airspace and endorsed the delegate there in six seconds. Add maybe two seconds to move on that and I can get eight seconds.
  2056. [4:44 AM] Excidium: That might be enough to beat update.
  2057. [4:44 AM] Excidium: I'm gonna cry though if the day of the mission I participate but miss update by like one second.
  2058. [4:46 AM] Excidium: Alright, trying for WZ Asia next.
  2059. [4:47 AM] Bastiat: Eh some always will. regardless there a silver lining here. It's occured to me that these training runs could easily be run by a discord bot. It's just a stock phrase, a randomizer to get the warzone/delegate and a timer.
  2060. [4:47 AM] Excidium: Automated defender training?
  2061. [4:47 AM] Bastiat: Yes
  2062. [4:48 AM] Excidium: Could you also have a program recover NS region feeds and give times?
  2063. [4:48 AM] Bastiat: Probobly if you can get it to work off the same clock as ns
  2064. [4:50 AM] Bastiat: I don't know anything about discord bots but its well within what can be automated easily
  2065. [4:50 AM] Excidium: I see.
  2066. [4:50 AM] Excidium: Seems a bit impersonal though. Less fun.
  2067. [4:51 AM] Excidium: No bot faking you out like Unibot.(edited)
  2068. [4:52 AM] Excidium: Took me two tries to type bot
  2069. [4:53 AM] Bastiat: Well I see it as something for times where theres no one to run training, so that trainees can train themselves.
  2070. [4:55 AM] Excidium: Alright. Of the last four runs, three were six seconds between arrival and endorsement, and one was eight seconds because I screwed up.
  2071. [4:56 AM] Excidium: Not good, but it doesn't look like I will get better than that on mobile.
  2072. [4:56 AM] Excidium: Hopefully that will be enough to make a jump in time. It gives me four seconds to move, which is plenty.
  2073. [4:57 AM] Excidium: Considering I can move at a regular speed.
  2074. [4:57 AM] Excidium: I'll call it a night.
  2075. [8:02 AM] Midenbourg: do you guys want to create a Raider/Defender organization.
  2076. [8:05 AM] Midenbourg: @everyone guys Hotel California got raided again should we go in?
  2077. [8:06 AM] Separatist Peoples: Such a lovely place.
  2078. [8:08 AM] Midenbourg: let's go in and endorse each other
  2079. [8:12 AM] Midenbourg: actually endorse the previous delegate Toopaka
  2080. [8:13 AM] Midenbourg: DEFEND AGAINST LILY!!!
  2081. [8:52 AM] Jutomi~: Hi. :laughing:
  2082. Whatermelons just joined. Hide your bananas.Today at 12:00 PM
  2083. [12:00 PM] HONEYDEWISTAN: i ate all your bananas already
  2084. [12:00 PM] HONEYDEWISTAN: snoz
  2085. [12:00 PM] Abhichandra: Hello
  2086. [12:00 PM] HONEYDEWISTAN: who r we liberatin
  2087. [12:01 PM] HONEYDEWISTAN: who is the discord owner
  2088. [12:20 PM] Jutomi~: Unibot, I think
  2089. [12:50 PM] Excidium: @HONEYDEWISTAN what is you NS nation?
  2090. [12:50 PM] Excidium: Yeah, Unibot owns this server.
  2091. [12:52 PM] HONEYDEWISTAN: Honeydewistania
  2092. [12:52 PM] HONEYDEWISTAN: yours?
  2093. [12:59 PM] Excidium: Excidium Planetis.
  2094. [12:59 PM] Excidium: Nice to meet you.
  2095. [2:07 PM] Unibot: I think it'd be really cool if you guys made a Defender army btw
  2096. [2:08 PM] Unibot: That's a pretty cool idea, @Midenbourg
  2097. [3:08 PM] Abhichandra: When's the next training session @Unibot ?
  2098. [3:11 PM] Unibot: Hah, im going on vacation I'm afraid
  2099. [4:36 PM] Midenbourg: would you join it @Unibot
  2100. [4:36 PM] Midenbourg: I'm calling it TC for now
  2101. [4:37 PM] Midenbourg: guys we gotta mask everyone in case a spy joins
  2102. [5:08 PM] Excidium: I think it's a given that spies already know.
  2103. [5:09 PM] Excidium: It's already publicly on the Gameplay forums that Unibot was recruiting for a liberation.(edited)
  2104. [5:09 PM] Bastiat: god damn it
  2105. [5:10 PM] Excidium: See Cormac's post here:
  2106. [5:10 PM] Excidium: https://forum.nationstates.net/viewtopic.php?p=32394864#p32394864
  2107. [6:33 PM] Midenbourg: @everyone I've created a defense organization here is the discord: https://discord.gg/62bjda
  2108. join general
  2109. NS Defense Services
  2110. [7:18 PM] [TCF][NSIDC] Abidawe: @everyone if you are interested, join my org, The NationStates Intel and Defense Coalition here: https://discord.gg/ytXqFE7
  2111. join welcome
  2112. NSIDC
  2113. [7:18 PM] Jutomi~: Aaah, my discord servers list is getting so cluttered. :laughing:
  2114. [7:19 PM] [TCF][NSIDC] Abidawe: I feel I have 64 :joy::joy:
  2115. [7:22 PM] New Jarwel: I have only ten but like 4 exlode my computer
  2116. [1:28 AM] [TCF][NSIDC] Abidawe: I feel, I have 5 or 6 that are just too active sometines
  2117. [3:57 AM] HONEYDEWISTAN: wtf i going on
  2118. [3:58 AM] HONEYDEWISTAN: well now thanks to cormac
  2119. [6:07 AM] HONEYDEWISTAN: @Unibot yeah sure but what shall we call it?
  2120. [6:07 AM] HONEYDEWISTAN: the raider/defender org
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