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- Trump Lackey Ed Butowsky's EXPLOSIVE INTERVIEW ON SETH RICH with Chris Cuomo
- Dose of Dissonance
- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JTaLDMNCiTs
- Published on 2 Aug 2017
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- Transcript
- 0:00
- joining us now and a live exclusive is
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- Edie butowski the man named in that
- 0:04
- lawsuit sir thank you for joining us
- 0:06
- yeah Chris thanks and thanks me give me
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- an opportunity that that's set up I wish
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- I was taking notes because I'd love to
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- go through each one of those and just
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- prove what nonsense that is well let me
- 0:16
- know please
- 0:17
- fire away Chris let me help you do that
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- right now a lot of spin out there so
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- let's try to create a record of fact
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- going in order of what matters most
- 0:26
- here the suggestion that the president
- 0:28
- was aware of this story he may have seen
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- it in advance that he had a profound
- 0:33
- interest in its advancement what is your
- 0:36
- response not not true you have to
- 0:38
- understand rod wheeler is dead broke rod
- 0:41
- wheeler and I can send these text
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- messages Chris and you can send them out
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- to everybody had been asking me to get
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- him a job or help find a way to get him
- 0:49
- into the Trump administration not the
- 0:51
- administration but a job there I
- 0:53
- probably have five text messages from
- 0:55
- rod saying that okay and the part that I
- 0:59
- heard a second ago I think is really
- 1:01
- important the voicemail I left for him
- 1:03
- about the full attention of the White
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- House that had to do with Joey della
- 1:07
- camera the DC detective and the DC
- 1:11
- detective wanted to come out and talk
- 1:13
- because he has a lot of information and
- 1:16
- rod why would a DC why would a DC
- 1:20
- detective equal the White House in your
- 1:22
- voicemail well I'm that's why I'm trying
- 1:26
- to explain to you but nobody won't help
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- us understand that part how does a
- 1:29
- decent detective get coded as White
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- House what does he have to do with the
- 1:33
- White House well that's what I'm trying
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- to say go ahead go ahead okay yeah he
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- wanted whistleblower status according to
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- rod wheeler because he had a lot of
- 1:42
- stuff to explain and expose and rod
- 1:44
- wheeler had been talking to him matter
- 1:46
- of fact rod wheelers notes with Joey
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- della camera is on a website called
- 1:51
- debunking rod wheelers claims calm and
- 1:54
- it's all listed there rod wheelers notes
- 1:56
- so rod wheeler was trying to help him
- 1:58
- because he was in a lot of trouble for
- 2:00
- talking to rod wheeler to get
- 2:02
- whistleblower status but what does that
- 2:04
- have to do with say never White House is
- 2:06
- interested why wouldn't you say della
- 2:07
- camera or the DC guy why did you say
- 2:10
- White House well what I said was rod
- 2:13
- will
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- asked me to see what we could do to see
- 2:16
- if I could help this guy and I just
- 2:18
- simply made some calls they never talked
- 2:19
- to me about the White House by the way
- 2:20
- I've never talked to president Rumple in
- 2:22
- my life and president Trump nor the
- 2:24
- White House has anything to do with any
- 2:25
- of this
- 2:26
- all right and as you go back index Texas
- 2:28
- as you ask me questions I'm just going
- 2:30
- to give you the honest answer but all of
- 2:31
- this stuff is like little innuendos and
- 2:34
- that's why I'm happy to be here to
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- answer the other problem is we still
- 2:36
- have the problem is there your words
- 2:38
- that I mean you know the text message
- 2:39
- not to add any more pressure but the
- 2:40
- president just read the article he wants
- 2:43
- the article out immediately it's now all
- 2:44
- up on you but don't feel the pressure
- 2:46
- and you know what that was wrought with
- 2:48
- so you have to understand again we take
- 2:50
- things out of context so you know how
- 2:51
- that works sometimes rod wheeler has
- 2:53
- been asking me for a long time and said
- 2:55
- Edie when I get this case settled the
- 2:57
- president is going to hire me and he was
- 2:58
- always doing this and saying this to me
- 3:01
- so this was a tongue-in-cheek talking
- 3:04
- just texting wasn't serious because rod
- 3:06
- Whelan was always looking for a job
- 3:08
- because he has no money and and by the
- 3:10
- way this lawsuit was all about rod wheel
- 3:12
- are trying to get money because he
- 3:14
- messed up and we'll explain that later
- 3:15
- but I don't help me understand this when
- 3:18
- you say the White House in the voicemail
- 3:20
- you say you meant this DC cop when you
- 3:23
- say the president just read the article
- 3:25
- that was a Joe right funny how where's
- 3:28
- the punch line in a joke well it wasn't
- 3:31
- a joke that was funny how rod wheeler
- 3:33
- had been you know talking to me all the
- 3:37
- time about how much he wanted to get a
- 3:39
- job he said give me on the Trump team
- 3:41
- please give me with sessions you've
- 3:43
- written text messages nowadays I'm not
- 3:45
- going to write any text messages but it
- 3:47
- was just two guys me you know basically
- 3:49
- finding a way to just kind of chat with
- 3:51
- him about stuff he's been talking about
- 3:53
- and the other one with della camera let
- 3:56
- me finish Karthik small medela camera
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- not a joke at all Joey della camera has
- 4:01
- a lot of information and he wanted to
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- come forward and I told rod I'll see
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- what I can do to find out about
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- whistleblower status right and everybody
- 4:09
- should go talk to Joey della camera and
- 4:11
- ask him questions well alright but you
- 4:13
- know you have to ask you questions also
- 4:15
- because when I'm answering on the right
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- hands you might not like my answer no
- 4:18
- not like or dislike about testing them
- 4:21
- that's what we do here right have to go
- 4:23
- before the idea of what you said in the
- 4:25
- voicemail as code for some
- 4:27
- that's completely different you know
- 4:29
- it's a curious situation as is the text
- 4:31
- as is you being on tape talking to
- 4:33
- wheeler acknowledging that you knew that
- 4:36
- wheeler had been quoted in ways that
- 4:38
- were inaccurate how do you explain that
- 4:39
- that truly there so Chris let me explain
- 4:41
- that one okay rod wheeler called me up
- 4:45
- and said Edie Malia Zimmerman misquoted
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- me and I said right I understand because
- 4:50
- you there's email back and forth so you
- 4:53
- not only approve the quotes but you add
- 4:56
- it to it and matter of fact at that
- 4:57
- website that I mentioned rod wheelers
- 4:59
- claims calm or debunking rod wheelers
- 5:01
- claims calm you hear his voice saying
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- the exact quotes he said he didn't say
- 5:06
- what rod wheeler did is he called me up
- 5:09
- and obviously this was all concocted by
- 5:10
- rod wheeler because what he called me up
- 5:12
- he said ed Malia said that I set eyes on
- 5:16
- the emails and I said rod you never set
- 5:19
- eyes on the on the emails I know that
- 5:22
- you know that if you set eyes on the
- 5:23
- white hand on the emails you would have
- 5:25
- told me you never told me so if Malia
- 5:27
- Zimmerman who's a wonderful reporter if
- 5:29
- she misquoted you then you know what
- 5:32
- then then that needs to be taken back
- 5:36
- I said rod show me where that quote
- 5:38
- exists and by the way Chris I'll ask
- 5:40
- anybody show me where the quote exists
- 5:43
- where it says rod wheeler set eyes on
- 5:46
- the emails I've never seen it and that's
- 5:49
- what I was responding to so when you
- 5:50
- were saying you're gonna win an award
- 5:52
- for those things that you didn't say
- 5:53
- what we're we're alive because basically
- 5:57
- I said how crazy this world is because
- 6:00
- right you're telling me that you said
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- that you you know that Malia Zimmerman
- 6:06
- wrote that you said exactly what I just
- 6:08
- said a second ago that you set eyes on
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- it I said rod you know that didn't
- 6:13
- happen I didn't happen we were laughing
- 6:15
- about what a crazy world this is well
- 6:17
- because somehow you know you're going to
- 6:19
- win an award for having said something
- 6:21
- you didn't say oh well the good news is
- 6:23
- there's this great device in litigation
- 6:25
- called discovery and hopefully all of
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- this will come out because we've only
- 6:30
- seen the substantiation of his part
- 6:32
- we're taking you at your word right now
- 6:34
- we'll have to see if there's any backup
- 6:36
- let me ask you if this existed I'll send
- 6:38
- me any backup Chris by the way I'll send
- 6:39
- you anything
- 6:40
- you should send one only time you should
- 6:42
- send all of the proof of everything that
- 6:44
- you're suggesting right now and I can't
- 6:45
- believe it's not at all right morally
- 6:47
- I'm going to come up there tomorrow and
- 6:48
- hand it to you all right you're welcome
- 6:50
- I'm easy to find and let me ask you
- 6:52
- something about herself did this happen
- 6:55
- did the Sean Spicer meeting happen or
- 6:57
- his wheeler making that up
- 6:58
- yeah great question so I've known Sean I
- 7:01
- was a surrogate for the RNC and and not
- 7:05
- really that use that often by the way
- 7:08
- but I was a surrogate I got to know Sean
- 7:10
- a little bit and this there's a
- 7:14
- recording of a man named sy Hirsch that
- 7:17
- you need to see anymore Hershey excuse
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- me Seymour Hirsch I didn't know who the
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- man was
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- but when after I met the riches and
- 7:24
- offered to pay the bill for a private
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- investigator and by the way this whole
- 7:29
- idea that something was coordinated with
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- rod wheeler that's absolute nonsense
- 7:33
- I interviewed tons of different private
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- investors one thing at a time even Sean
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- Spicer meeting it did it happen alright
- 7:40
- I'll go back to oh yeah sorry I have a
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- tendency to do that
- 7:42
- alright that's why on earth up here did
- 7:44
- it happen thank you be Sean Spicer
- 7:45
- meaning I had a meeting with Sean Spicer
- 7:48
- I brought rod wheeler along ditched by
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- my meeting with Sean Spicer was about
- 7:52
- let me tell you was about this audio
- 7:54
- recording that side hers upside hers
- 7:57
- saying that there's a mirror copy of the
- 8:01
- hard drive of Seth Rich's at the cart
- 8:05
- division at the FBI right you know that
- 8:08
- her she says that you got his you know
- 8:10
- that her says you got is reporting wrong
- 8:12
- right that he says you took two and two
- 8:13
- and made 45 out of it yeah well you know
- 8:16
- what sigh hers
- 8:17
- maybe that's his math but the reality is
- 8:19
- I'm not seeing anything go listen to it
- 8:21
- and listen to his own word right but I'm
- 8:23
- not concluding anything I'm just saying
- 8:24
- my sources leading it all clear I'm just
- 8:26
- saying when the source of the material
- 8:27
- says that your conclusion about it was
- 8:29
- wrong it should be out - supposed to
- 8:31
- help expects well wait what's my
- 8:33
- conclusion well you know in conclusion I
- 8:35
- know but you saw it as something that
- 8:36
- was important enough to take it to Sean
- 8:37
- Spicer did he know why you wanted to
- 8:39
- meet with him now so he just took him in
- 8:42
- her of fact yes as I said Sean I was
- 8:44
- going to be in town I had something I
- 8:45
- want to talk to you about and rod
- 8:46
- wheeler was a tag-along
- 8:48
- because I thought at the last minute I
- 8:50
- said hey why don't you join me cuz I go
- 8:52
- to Washington often
- 8:54
- why don't you join me and kind of get to
- 8:55
- know you know Sean in meat and so on
- 8:58
- my conversation was Sean about this
- 9:00
- recording lasted about one minute
- 9:04
- he said Edie I don't know anything about
- 9:05
- it I don't wanna know anything about it
- 9:07
- I can't do anything and we ended up
- 9:08
- talking about many other things believe
- 9:11
- it or not including because he and I
- 9:12
- both get our shirts at the same place
- 9:14
- through some company and we talked about
- 9:16
- the new cotton material on the shirt and
- 9:19
- that do you think do you think it's a
- 9:20
- coincidental that there seem to be these
- 9:23
- meetings that Trump officials take that
- 9:26
- they don't know anything about but they
- 9:28
- take the meeting anyway and then when
- 9:29
- they get into it they wind up changing
- 9:31
- the subject away to something else like
- 9:32
- what we heard from Don jr. that he
- 9:35
- didn't know what the meeting was about
- 9:36
- but he took it anyway because a friend
- 9:37
- asked him to and then they start talking
- 9:39
- about adoption he didn't understand it
- 9:41
- this seems a little similar to that in
- 9:43
- terms of a scenario it's not you know
- 9:45
- Sean but you don't know in that well you
- 9:46
- asked him for a meeting says he'll take
- 9:48
- it without knowing what it's about and
- 9:50
- then you come in and you tell them about
- 9:51
- this tape but wind up talking about
- 9:53
- shirts something will convenient no
- 9:55
- Chris I think you're trying to twist
- 9:58
- something and make a point that's not
- 9:59
- there so let me correct you okay please
- 10:01
- I called up I have no idea about Donald
- 10:04
- Trump jr. and this and antony's means
- 10:05
- I'm going to talk directly about Sean
- 10:07
- Spicer Sean and I know each other when I
- 10:09
- good friends but we're friendly I told
- 10:12
- him I was going to be watching I wanted
- 10:13
- to come by and talk to him about
- 10:14
- something and you never told him what
- 10:16
- you didn't say what it was about no no
- 10:18
- were you surprised what he said he'd
- 10:20
- take a meeting as busy as he was at the
- 10:22
- time with somebody he kind of knows but
- 10:24
- not that well now it wasn't surprised I
- 10:27
- was actually happy so apparently he
- 10:29
- liked me more than I thought okay and
- 10:31
- then when you fan meeting and you told
- 10:32
- them about the tape before you switched
- 10:34
- on to what shirtmaker you use what did
- 10:36
- he tell you really did I believe it or
- 10:38
- not no I'm not I'm not saying you're not
- 10:40
- telling the truth I'm just saying that
- 10:41
- when he oh yeah right I told him after
- 10:45
- he heard it by the way and ciphers can
- 10:47
- say whatever he wants I didn't make a
- 10:48
- conclusion Chris like you said I didn't
- 10:51
- make any conclusion go listen to it and
- 10:53
- anybody who listens to it will say hey
- 10:56
- there's something here and they should
- 10:58
- go listen to it at debunking rod
- 11:00
- wheelers claims you don't believe that
- 11:01
- in when bombs were acted the story do
- 11:03
- you still believe there's something to
- 11:04
- it
- 11:04
- all right you got to let me finish my
- 11:06
- point because
- 11:07
- that's one of the things I really want
- 11:08
- to be able to do okay so anybody listens
- 11:11
- to it well no there's something I didn't
- 11:13
- make your conclusion i sat down with
- 11:15
- Sean he and I are friendly we see each
- 11:17
- other I saw him at a debate once or
- 11:18
- twice I used to do some commentating on
- 11:20
- economic matters for the RNC and you
- 11:22
- know what
- 11:23
- he developed a nice little friendship I
- 11:25
- know the meeting lasted maybe 12 15
- 11:27
- minutes and then we got the old oh by
- 11:29
- the way Sean someone's here to see you
- 11:31
- what you know just means Edie get out of
- 11:33
- here and how did you leave it with him I
- 11:35
- just left I thought it was kind of cool
- 11:37
- and never been inside the White House
- 11:39
- they let me know what happens I'll
- 11:41
- follow up with you about this no he had
- 11:44
- no interest at all were you disappointed
- 11:46
- no I thought it was cool being in the
- 11:49
- White House but ed you went there to
- 11:52
- tell him something you thought was very
- 11:53
- important you wanted him to know about
- 11:54
- that tape when he didn't know when you
- 11:56
- point it you stone even Joey there he
- 11:59
- said Edie
- 11:59
- he said Edie you know what I'm new here
- 12:02
- I don't know but I can't do anything
- 12:05
- nobody here can do anything you got it
- 12:07
- you know whatever and we just let it go
- 12:09
- he didn't tell you what people aware of
- 12:11
- anything or anything like that
- 12:13
- no he had no interest he you know was
- 12:17
- going to talk about anything then we
- 12:19
- ended up talking about other things
- 12:20
- about being in here how cool it was
- 12:22
- we started talking the TV was on there
- 12:24
- was some game on we talked about that
- 12:25
- rod wheeler did not talk about asking
- 12:28
- for a job
- 12:29
- I told rod come along and you know meet
- 12:31
- him maybe somehow you can you know
- 12:33
- smoothes and get to develop a
- 12:35
- relationship with them another point rod
- 12:37
- wheeler sent me a text message saying
- 12:38
- can you get me back in to see Sean I
- 12:40
- want to give him you know some
- 12:42
- information and I have a text message
- 12:44
- that I'll send to you or I'll bring to
- 12:45
- you all right good the Fox News had
- 12:49
- retracted the story as we now know right
- 12:51
- do you still believe there is something
- 12:54
- to the suggestion I don't believe
- 12:57
- there's anything in that story that is
- 12:58
- inaccurate you believe in little Acuras
- 13:01
- retract let me finish I believe rod
- 13:04
- wheelers saying that he was misquoted is
- 13:08
- the reason they pulled it rod wheeler
- 13:10
- wasn't misquoted what rod wheeler did
- 13:12
- the night before he had a crush or has a
- 13:15
- crush on a lady named Maria Morocco with
- 13:18
- Fox 5 Washington and he leaked the story
- 13:20
- to her
- 13:21
- the night before she wrote a lot of
- 13:23
- stuff and I have a text message showing
- 13:26
- rod saying I need to sue Fox 5 because
- 13:29
- they miss quoted me so now Fox 5
- 13:31
- misquoted rod wheeler and then you got
- 13:34
- to bring in this lawyer named wig door
- 13:36
- who sues Fox for everything he's been on
- 13:38
- your channel many times and the
- 13:40
- combination of rod wheeler being broke
- 13:42
- rod wheeler lying and wigged or putting
- 13:45
- a case together against Fox now you have
- 13:48
- a lawsuit that you're quoting that's
- 13:50
- just full of nonsense you know
- 13:53
- Edie why are you getting a critical
- 13:56
- question in here because it matters why
- 13:58
- does it matter because there's a lawsuit
- 14:00
- in part because Fox News has come under
- 14:02
- the microscope for its journalism in
- 14:04
- part but there's a bigger reason I think
- 14:06
- it has nothing to do with politics
- 14:08
- there's nothing to do with the media you
- 14:10
- went to the rich family they were in
- 14:12
- grieving they were hurting they had in
- 14:15
- the worst kind of scenario they lost a
- 14:17
- loved one and they didn't know what
- 14:18
- happened and you went to them with this
- 14:21
- story about what happened to their son
- 14:23
- no now let me let me tell you some Chris
- 14:25
- I heard that said before and I want to
- 14:28
- be very clear right that did not happen
- 14:30
- how did you get her to tell you what
- 14:32
- happened what do you want to know what
- 14:34
- happened or you want to tell me I really
- 14:35
- want to know what happen to know why you
- 14:37
- would go to the I Nampally oh you it is
- 14:39
- type of stuff I'm going to tell you
- 14:42
- exactly what happened I heard something
- 14:44
- someone told me something about Seth
- 14:48
- rich I don't know the rich family I ever
- 14:50
- told you or something that happened
- 14:51
- I'm not going to tell you why that's not
- 14:53
- something I'm going to share with you
- 14:54
- why is it because the Matt brings no you
- 14:55
- said you'd tell me everything I thought
- 14:57
- you wanted to be all open you were going
- 14:58
- to come up here and here cover this I'm
- 15:00
- going to tell you everything except that
- 15:01
- how I it matters because it was so
- 15:04
- important now whoever told you those
- 15:05
- that you would go to a grieving family
- 15:08
- and talk to them about it would hurt
- 15:11
- them the mo right so I think we should
- 15:13
- know who held you because they must have
- 15:14
- been dead incredible right Chris when I
- 15:17
- before I came on air I had a discussion
- 15:20
- with your producer to let me talk so let
- 15:22
- me talk you've been talking plenty of
- 15:24
- I'm just saying I got a check what your
- 15:25
- I demanded me and Joe and he's handed a
- 15:27
- craft of excuse me because you continue
- 15:29
- to try to pull something out that you
- 15:32
- think is important and not let me talk
- 15:34
- I went to the rich family after finding
- 15:37
- them I got introduced to them I spoke to
- 15:39
- them December 17th at 3:17 p.m. for 30
- 15:44
- minutes I started off saying thank you
- 15:46
- I'm sorry what happened and so on I
- 15:47
- heard something I wanted to share with
- 15:49
- you and when I told them I'll tell you
- 15:51
- exactly what it was I heard something
- 15:53
- about WikiLeaks they said to me you know
- 15:56
- what we don't believe you I said fine we
- 15:59
- started talking about many other things
- 16:00
- started talking about children and life
- 16:03
- and so on they said if you ever find out
- 16:05
- anything will you please let us know
- 16:07
- that's all you know what this was very
- 16:09
- private and I had a private discussion
- 16:12
- with them when I left or sue me one with
- 16:14
- hugs the phone I just let it go and then
- 16:17
- at some point someone introduced me to
- 16:19
- sy her sy Hersh then told me all of this
- 16:23
- information I sent that privately to the
- 16:27
- rich family they said you know what ed
- 16:29
- if you ever have anything concrete let
- 16:31
- us know and then I said to them this I
- 16:33
- said why don't you hire a private
- 16:35
- detective and they said we would love to
- 16:38
- we can't afford one you know what Chris
- 16:41
- you don't know me but a lot of people
- 16:43
- out there do you know what I said I said
- 16:45
- I'll pay for it now I'm not a rich guy
- 16:48
- I'm not some rich donor I don't know why
- 16:50
- you guys keep saying that okay because
- 16:52
- I'm not rich at all but I said to these
- 16:54
- people you know what I'd be happy to pay
- 16:56
- for it I thought as most people would
- 16:59
- say no thank you
- 17:01
- that's we don't know you they said yes
- 17:03
- and I said oh I had no idea how much a
- 17:06
- private detective cost I started asking
- 17:08
- people who knows anybody was a private
- 17:10
- detective
- 17:11
- I got recommended rod wheeler by
- 17:14
- somebody I have an email exchange that
- 17:16
- I'll share with you and they said why
- 17:19
- don't you meet rod wheeler the first
- 17:20
- time I ever talked to rod wheeler was
- 17:22
- February 23rd so this nonsense that rod
- 17:24
- wheeler said that he had been pinpointed
- 17:26
- is all BS rod wheeler wasn't pinpointed
- 17:29
- rod wheeler spoke to the riches for two
- 17:32
- weeks back and forth with a contract and
- 17:34
- the whole contract negotiation Chris
- 17:35
- according to rod wheeler was Erin rich
- 17:38
- and Erin Rich's wife saying don't ever
- 17:41
- look into WikiLeaks don't ever talked
- 17:43
- about emails and if you listen and if
- 17:45
- you build a debunking rod wheelers
- 17:47
- claims calm there's
- 17:48
- twenty-seven minute audio there a rod
- 17:50
- wheel are saving all of this so rod
- 17:53
- wheeler then is now involved there
- 17:55
- wasn't any of the nonsense that he's
- 17:57
- talking about coordination trying to do
- 18:00
- bad things him he knows all of that
- 18:02
- rod wheeler is broke and he's trying to
- 18:05
- make some money out of extorting maybe
- 18:07
- me maybe Fox who knows but the facts are
- 18:11
- none of this stuff is adding up to what
- 18:14
- rod wheeler is claiming that your full
- 18:18
- answer yeah but thank you for letting me
- 18:21
- talk all right so let me out let me ask
- 18:24
- you some questions go ahead your Trump
- 18:26
- supporter yes I'm a Republican and I
- 18:30
- didn't donate any money to Trump you're
- 18:32
- a trump supporter yes well I don't want
- 18:36
- him to get mad but I'm not a Republican
- 18:38
- I I didn't give him any money and I
- 18:41
- didn't campaign for him so I don't know
- 18:42
- what a trump supporter would be but what
- 18:44
- did I vote for him absolutely so you
- 18:47
- voted for Donald Trump so establish that
- 18:50
- you go to the rich family whom you
- 18:52
- didn't know you didn't have any
- 18:53
- pre-existing relationship right none
- 18:55
- whatsoever
- 18:56
- you hear something from somebody who you
- 18:58
- won't reveal the source to be right yeah
- 19:02
- yes okay well here's why it matters
- 19:05
- because on the strength of whoever that
- 19:07
- person was and what they told you which
- 19:10
- you have admitted on this show was not
- 19:12
- that much that you actually knew what
- 19:13
- happened because you learned more after
- 19:16
- the riches when you met Seymour Hersh
- 19:18
- and then did whatever other
- 19:20
- investigating that you did so on the
- 19:22
- basis of this one piece of information
- 19:25
- from this one person whom you won't
- 19:27
- review you go to a family that is in the
- 19:30
- worst situation of their life and say to
- 19:33
- them hey I have an idea of what may have
- 19:37
- happened with your son does that make
- 19:39
- sense to you is that the kind of thing
- 19:41
- that somebody does know don't they go to
- 19:43
- a family that's grieve excuse me let me
- 19:45
- finish I'll let you finish you know
- 19:46
- Chris I mean I don't appreciate you go
- 19:48
- to the family that's dreaming it's
- 19:50
- insane I heard something you don't know
- 19:52
- anything but you heard something and on
- 19:55
- the strength of that alone in your
- 19:56
- humanity you went to this family and
- 19:58
- offered it up to them and that was your
- 20:00
- only motivation to give them this
- 20:01
- of information so Chris I resent you
- 20:05
- trying to characterize me as an
- 20:07
- insensitive jerk because crows are your
- 20:10
- words I'm asking you a question I know
- 20:12
- but you know what that's what it's
- 20:14
- obviously coming across so here's the
- 20:15
- answer Chris I went to this family
- 20:18
- because I thought I had heard something
- 20:19
- that would help these people because
- 20:22
- they had said in newspapers and by the
- 20:24
- way when I heard that information it
- 20:25
- took me about two months after my son
- 20:27
- went to college and I couldn't imagine
- 20:29
- what it would be like to have a son
- 20:31
- murdered and nobody was telling them the
- 20:34
- Washington police according to what I
- 20:36
- read wasn't telling him anything and
- 20:38
- they weren't investigating anything so
- 20:40
- when I got ahold of them I went to them
- 20:42
- thinking I was actually going to try to
- 20:44
- help these people bring some relief or
- 20:46
- some knowledge about what happened to
- 20:48
- their son my son had just left to go to
- 20:50
- Vanderbilt I was an empty nester had a
- 20:52
- lot of time to reflect on my life and
- 20:54
- you do that when you're an empty nester
- 20:55
- Chris okay and I'm reflecting and I
- 20:58
- thought this is weird
- 20:59
- because if I know something this is the
- 21:01
- way I am about somebody's kid or if I
- 21:04
- think I know something and as how I was
- 21:06
- growing up excuse me with my kids I'm
- 21:08
- not going to hold on to something
- 21:09
- without the parents knowing and anybody
- 21:11
- who knows me knows that's the way I am
- 21:13
- so what I did is I called up got ahold
- 21:17
- of an and share this with them as soon
- 21:19
- as they said we don't believe you it was
- 21:20
- over well since I thought I needed to
- 21:22
- say something except that it wasn't you
- 21:24
- went and found wheeler you went and
- 21:25
- talked to her and now I wind up no
- 21:27
- you're wrong with him you're wrong there
- 21:28
- well that's what he gets over at that
- 21:30
- time all right I understand I intended
- 21:32
- this that you're trying to move an over
- 21:34
- but that was over the whole situation
- 21:36
- wasn't over
- 21:37
- but that introduction was I understand
- 21:39
- it bragging what you don't know is they
- 21:40
- asked me to make a donation to the sons
- 21:43
- memorial they asked me to come up for a
- 21:46
- concert in his name they asked me to
- 21:48
- find out who this Jack Burkman guy was
- 21:51
- right the riches asked me I have a text
- 21:53
- message or an email they also said that
- 21:56
- this guy Brad Bauman just showed up one
- 21:59
- day and said he was assigned to them
- 22:01
- from the DNC and they asked me why now
- 22:05
- let's remember something I'm a
- 22:07
- Republican Seth Hurst is you accept rich
- 22:10
- the huge Bernie Sanders supporter the
- 22:14
- riches are
- 22:15
- being Democrats I don't care what
- 22:17
- somebody's political party is I care
- 22:19
- about human beings and I heard something
- 22:21
- and I felt inside that I needed to share
- 22:24
- this with a family I didn't go there to
- 22:27
- help set this family I went there to
- 22:29
- help them they were already upset
- 22:30
- because the DC police wasn't telling him
- 22:32
- anything well they were upset because
- 22:33
- her son was killed Grif absolutely
- 22:35
- understand her something so I thought
- 22:37
- I'd share that much we know what it
- 22:38
- ought to be true right we know something
- 22:40
- else also the rich family put out a
- 22:42
- statement saying they hope that this
- 22:44
- lawsuit will end the connection of their
- 22:47
- son and their family to an ugly set of
- 22:49
- conspiracies I'm out of time for this
- 22:52
- but II D I hope you pull a lot more a
- 22:53
- secret yeah I want to tell you this was
- 22:56
- a good start and I'm looking forward to
- 22:57
- you giving me all the backing for
- 22:59
- everything that you said right
- 23:00
- supporting harriel back greatly
- 23:01
- appreciate it let's look at the
- 23:03
- information want to come back thank you
- 23:05
- very much ed Bukowski take care
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