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  1. Trump Lackey Ed Butowsky's EXPLOSIVE INTERVIEW ON SETH RICH with Chris Cuomo
  2. Dose of Dissonance
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  4. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JTaLDMNCiTs
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  6. Published on 2 Aug 2017
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  8. HEATED INTERVIEW: CNN's Chris Cuomo grills Ed Butowsky! Butowsky is a Trump supporter who allegedly conspired with Trump to produce a fake news story on Seth Rich to distract from the Trump-Russia investigation. 30-DAY FREE TRIAL TO AMAZON PRIME! http://amzn.to/2tBNAGg (Affiliate Link)
  9. Cope with cognitive dissonance! http://www.DoseofDissonance.com/
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  12. Transcript
  13. 0:00
  14. joining us now and a live exclusive is
  15. 0:01
  16. Edie butowski the man named in that
  17. 0:04
  18. lawsuit sir thank you for joining us
  19. 0:06
  20. yeah Chris thanks and thanks me give me
  21. 0:08
  22. an opportunity that that's set up I wish
  23. 0:10
  24. I was taking notes because I'd love to
  25. 0:12
  26. go through each one of those and just
  27. 0:13
  28. prove what nonsense that is well let me
  29. 0:16
  30. know please
  31. 0:17
  32. fire away Chris let me help you do that
  33. 0:18
  34. right now a lot of spin out there so
  35. 0:21
  36. let's try to create a record of fact
  37. 0:23
  38. going in order of what matters most
  39. 0:26
  40. here the suggestion that the president
  41. 0:28
  42. was aware of this story he may have seen
  43. 0:31
  44. it in advance that he had a profound
  45. 0:33
  46. interest in its advancement what is your
  47. 0:36
  48. response not not true you have to
  49. 0:38
  50. understand rod wheeler is dead broke rod
  51. 0:41
  52. wheeler and I can send these text
  53. 0:43
  54. messages Chris and you can send them out
  55. 0:44
  56. to everybody had been asking me to get
  57. 0:46
  58. him a job or help find a way to get him
  59. 0:49
  60. into the Trump administration not the
  61. 0:51
  62. administration but a job there I
  63. 0:53
  64. probably have five text messages from
  65. 0:55
  66. rod saying that okay and the part that I
  67. 0:59
  68. heard a second ago I think is really
  69. 1:01
  70. important the voicemail I left for him
  71. 1:03
  72. about the full attention of the White
  73. 1:05
  74. House that had to do with Joey della
  75. 1:07
  76. camera the DC detective and the DC
  77. 1:11
  78. detective wanted to come out and talk
  79. 1:13
  80. because he has a lot of information and
  81. 1:16
  82. rod why would a DC why would a DC
  83. 1:20
  84. detective equal the White House in your
  85. 1:22
  86. voicemail well I'm that's why I'm trying
  87. 1:26
  88. to explain to you but nobody won't help
  89. 1:28
  90. us understand that part how does a
  91. 1:29
  92. decent detective get coded as White
  93. 1:32
  94. House what does he have to do with the
  95. 1:33
  96. White House well that's what I'm trying
  97. 1:36
  98. to say go ahead go ahead okay yeah he
  99. 1:38
  100. wanted whistleblower status according to
  101. 1:40
  102. rod wheeler because he had a lot of
  103. 1:42
  104. stuff to explain and expose and rod
  105. 1:44
  106. wheeler had been talking to him matter
  107. 1:46
  108. of fact rod wheelers notes with Joey
  109. 1:49
  110. della camera is on a website called
  111. 1:51
  112. debunking rod wheelers claims calm and
  113. 1:54
  114. it's all listed there rod wheelers notes
  115. 1:56
  116. so rod wheeler was trying to help him
  117. 1:58
  118. because he was in a lot of trouble for
  119. 2:00
  120. talking to rod wheeler to get
  121. 2:02
  122. whistleblower status but what does that
  123. 2:04
  124. have to do with say never White House is
  125. 2:06
  126. interested why wouldn't you say della
  127. 2:07
  128. camera or the DC guy why did you say
  129. 2:10
  130. White House well what I said was rod
  131. 2:13
  132. will
  133. 2:13
  134. asked me to see what we could do to see
  135. 2:16
  136. if I could help this guy and I just
  137. 2:18
  138. simply made some calls they never talked
  139. 2:19
  140. to me about the White House by the way
  141. 2:20
  142. I've never talked to president Rumple in
  143. 2:22
  144. my life and president Trump nor the
  145. 2:24
  146. White House has anything to do with any
  147. 2:25
  148. of this
  149. 2:26
  150. all right and as you go back index Texas
  151. 2:28
  152. as you ask me questions I'm just going
  153. 2:30
  154. to give you the honest answer but all of
  155. 2:31
  156. this stuff is like little innuendos and
  157. 2:34
  158. that's why I'm happy to be here to
  159. 2:35
  160. answer the other problem is we still
  161. 2:36
  162. have the problem is there your words
  163. 2:38
  164. that I mean you know the text message
  165. 2:39
  166. not to add any more pressure but the
  167. 2:40
  168. president just read the article he wants
  169. 2:43
  170. the article out immediately it's now all
  171. 2:44
  172. up on you but don't feel the pressure
  173. 2:46
  174. and you know what that was wrought with
  175. 2:48
  176. so you have to understand again we take
  177. 2:50
  178. things out of context so you know how
  179. 2:51
  180. that works sometimes rod wheeler has
  181. 2:53
  182. been asking me for a long time and said
  183. 2:55
  184. Edie when I get this case settled the
  185. 2:57
  186. president is going to hire me and he was
  187. 2:58
  188. always doing this and saying this to me
  189. 3:01
  190. so this was a tongue-in-cheek talking
  191. 3:04
  192. just texting wasn't serious because rod
  193. 3:06
  194. Whelan was always looking for a job
  195. 3:08
  196. because he has no money and and by the
  197. 3:10
  198. way this lawsuit was all about rod wheel
  199. 3:12
  200. are trying to get money because he
  201. 3:14
  202. messed up and we'll explain that later
  203. 3:15
  204. but I don't help me understand this when
  205. 3:18
  206. you say the White House in the voicemail
  207. 3:20
  208. you say you meant this DC cop when you
  209. 3:23
  210. say the president just read the article
  211. 3:25
  212. that was a Joe right funny how where's
  213. 3:28
  214. the punch line in a joke well it wasn't
  215. 3:31
  216. a joke that was funny how rod wheeler
  217. 3:33
  218. had been you know talking to me all the
  219. 3:37
  220. time about how much he wanted to get a
  221. 3:39
  222. job he said give me on the Trump team
  223. 3:41
  224. please give me with sessions you've
  225. 3:43
  226. written text messages nowadays I'm not
  227. 3:45
  228. going to write any text messages but it
  229. 3:47
  230. was just two guys me you know basically
  231. 3:49
  232. finding a way to just kind of chat with
  233. 3:51
  234. him about stuff he's been talking about
  235. 3:53
  236. and the other one with della camera let
  237. 3:56
  238. me finish Karthik small medela camera
  239. 3:57
  240. not a joke at all Joey della camera has
  241. 4:01
  242. a lot of information and he wanted to
  243. 4:03
  244. come forward and I told rod I'll see
  245. 4:06
  246. what I can do to find out about
  247. 4:07
  248. whistleblower status right and everybody
  249. 4:09
  250. should go talk to Joey della camera and
  251. 4:11
  252. ask him questions well alright but you
  253. 4:13
  254. know you have to ask you questions also
  255. 4:15
  256. because when I'm answering on the right
  257. 4:17
  258. hands you might not like my answer no
  259. 4:18
  260. not like or dislike about testing them
  261. 4:21
  262. that's what we do here right have to go
  263. 4:23
  264. before the idea of what you said in the
  265. 4:25
  266. voicemail as code for some
  267. 4:27
  268. that's completely different you know
  269. 4:29
  270. it's a curious situation as is the text
  271. 4:31
  272. as is you being on tape talking to
  273. 4:33
  274. wheeler acknowledging that you knew that
  275. 4:36
  276. wheeler had been quoted in ways that
  277. 4:38
  278. were inaccurate how do you explain that
  279. 4:39
  280. that truly there so Chris let me explain
  281. 4:41
  282. that one okay rod wheeler called me up
  283. 4:45
  284. and said Edie Malia Zimmerman misquoted
  285. 4:48
  286. me and I said right I understand because
  287. 4:50
  288. you there's email back and forth so you
  289. 4:53
  290. not only approve the quotes but you add
  291. 4:56
  292. it to it and matter of fact at that
  293. 4:57
  294. website that I mentioned rod wheelers
  295. 4:59
  296. claims calm or debunking rod wheelers
  297. 5:01
  298. claims calm you hear his voice saying
  299. 5:03
  300. the exact quotes he said he didn't say
  301. 5:06
  302. what rod wheeler did is he called me up
  303. 5:09
  304. and obviously this was all concocted by
  305. 5:10
  306. rod wheeler because what he called me up
  307. 5:12
  308. he said ed Malia said that I set eyes on
  309. 5:16
  310. the emails and I said rod you never set
  311. 5:19
  312. eyes on the on the emails I know that
  313. 5:22
  314. you know that if you set eyes on the
  315. 5:23
  316. white hand on the emails you would have
  317. 5:25
  318. told me you never told me so if Malia
  319. 5:27
  320. Zimmerman who's a wonderful reporter if
  321. 5:29
  322. she misquoted you then you know what
  323. 5:32
  324. then then that needs to be taken back
  325. 5:36
  326. I said rod show me where that quote
  327. 5:38
  328. exists and by the way Chris I'll ask
  329. 5:40
  330. anybody show me where the quote exists
  331. 5:43
  332. where it says rod wheeler set eyes on
  333. 5:46
  334. the emails I've never seen it and that's
  335. 5:49
  336. what I was responding to so when you
  337. 5:50
  338. were saying you're gonna win an award
  339. 5:52
  340. for those things that you didn't say
  341. 5:53
  342. what we're we're alive because basically
  343. 5:57
  344. I said how crazy this world is because
  345. 6:00
  346. right you're telling me that you said
  347. 6:03
  348. that you you know that Malia Zimmerman
  349. 6:06
  350. wrote that you said exactly what I just
  351. 6:08
  352. said a second ago that you set eyes on
  353. 6:10
  354. it I said rod you know that didn't
  355. 6:13
  356. happen I didn't happen we were laughing
  357. 6:15
  358. about what a crazy world this is well
  359. 6:17
  360. because somehow you know you're going to
  361. 6:19
  362. win an award for having said something
  363. 6:21
  364. you didn't say oh well the good news is
  365. 6:23
  366. there's this great device in litigation
  367. 6:25
  368. called discovery and hopefully all of
  369. 6:28
  370. this will come out because we've only
  371. 6:30
  372. seen the substantiation of his part
  373. 6:32
  374. we're taking you at your word right now
  375. 6:34
  376. we'll have to see if there's any backup
  377. 6:36
  378. let me ask you if this existed I'll send
  379. 6:38
  380. me any backup Chris by the way I'll send
  381. 6:39
  382. you anything
  383. 6:40
  384. you should send one only time you should
  385. 6:42
  386. send all of the proof of everything that
  387. 6:44
  388. you're suggesting right now and I can't
  389. 6:45
  390. believe it's not at all right morally
  391. 6:47
  392. I'm going to come up there tomorrow and
  393. 6:48
  394. hand it to you all right you're welcome
  395. 6:50
  396. I'm easy to find and let me ask you
  397. 6:52
  398. something about herself did this happen
  399. 6:55
  400. did the Sean Spicer meeting happen or
  401. 6:57
  402. his wheeler making that up
  403. 6:58
  404. yeah great question so I've known Sean I
  405. 7:01
  406. was a surrogate for the RNC and and not
  407. 7:05
  408. really that use that often by the way
  409. 7:08
  410. but I was a surrogate I got to know Sean
  411. 7:10
  412. a little bit and this there's a
  413. 7:14
  414. recording of a man named sy Hirsch that
  415. 7:17
  416. you need to see anymore Hershey excuse
  417. 7:19
  418. me Seymour Hirsch I didn't know who the
  419. 7:21
  420. man was
  421. 7:22
  422. but when after I met the riches and
  423. 7:24
  424. offered to pay the bill for a private
  425. 7:27
  426. investigator and by the way this whole
  427. 7:29
  428. idea that something was coordinated with
  429. 7:31
  430. rod wheeler that's absolute nonsense
  431. 7:33
  432. I interviewed tons of different private
  433. 7:35
  434. investors one thing at a time even Sean
  435. 7:37
  436. Spicer meeting it did it happen alright
  437. 7:40
  438. I'll go back to oh yeah sorry I have a
  439. 7:41
  440. tendency to do that
  441. 7:42
  442. alright that's why on earth up here did
  443. 7:44
  444. it happen thank you be Sean Spicer
  445. 7:45
  446. meaning I had a meeting with Sean Spicer
  447. 7:48
  448. I brought rod wheeler along ditched by
  449. 7:50
  450. my meeting with Sean Spicer was about
  451. 7:52
  452. let me tell you was about this audio
  453. 7:54
  454. recording that side hers upside hers
  455. 7:57
  456. saying that there's a mirror copy of the
  457. 8:01
  458. hard drive of Seth Rich's at the cart
  459. 8:05
  460. division at the FBI right you know that
  461. 8:08
  462. her she says that you got his you know
  463. 8:10
  464. that her says you got is reporting wrong
  465. 8:12
  466. right that he says you took two and two
  467. 8:13
  468. and made 45 out of it yeah well you know
  469. 8:16
  470. what sigh hers
  471. 8:17
  472. maybe that's his math but the reality is
  473. 8:19
  474. I'm not seeing anything go listen to it
  475. 8:21
  476. and listen to his own word right but I'm
  477. 8:23
  478. not concluding anything I'm just saying
  479. 8:24
  480. my sources leading it all clear I'm just
  481. 8:26
  482. saying when the source of the material
  483. 8:27
  484. says that your conclusion about it was
  485. 8:29
  486. wrong it should be out - supposed to
  487. 8:31
  488. help expects well wait what's my
  489. 8:33
  490. conclusion well you know in conclusion I
  491. 8:35
  492. know but you saw it as something that
  493. 8:36
  494. was important enough to take it to Sean
  495. 8:37
  496. Spicer did he know why you wanted to
  497. 8:39
  498. meet with him now so he just took him in
  499. 8:42
  500. her of fact yes as I said Sean I was
  501. 8:44
  502. going to be in town I had something I
  503. 8:45
  504. want to talk to you about and rod
  505. 8:46
  506. wheeler was a tag-along
  507. 8:48
  508. because I thought at the last minute I
  509. 8:50
  510. said hey why don't you join me cuz I go
  511. 8:52
  512. to Washington often
  513. 8:54
  514. why don't you join me and kind of get to
  515. 8:55
  516. know you know Sean in meat and so on
  517. 8:58
  518. my conversation was Sean about this
  519. 9:00
  520. recording lasted about one minute
  521. 9:04
  522. he said Edie I don't know anything about
  523. 9:05
  524. it I don't wanna know anything about it
  525. 9:07
  526. I can't do anything and we ended up
  527. 9:08
  528. talking about many other things believe
  529. 9:11
  530. it or not including because he and I
  531. 9:12
  532. both get our shirts at the same place
  533. 9:14
  534. through some company and we talked about
  535. 9:16
  536. the new cotton material on the shirt and
  537. 9:19
  538. that do you think do you think it's a
  539. 9:20
  540. coincidental that there seem to be these
  541. 9:23
  542. meetings that Trump officials take that
  543. 9:26
  544. they don't know anything about but they
  545. 9:28
  546. take the meeting anyway and then when
  547. 9:29
  548. they get into it they wind up changing
  549. 9:31
  550. the subject away to something else like
  551. 9:32
  552. what we heard from Don jr. that he
  553. 9:35
  554. didn't know what the meeting was about
  555. 9:36
  556. but he took it anyway because a friend
  557. 9:37
  558. asked him to and then they start talking
  559. 9:39
  560. about adoption he didn't understand it
  561. 9:41
  562. this seems a little similar to that in
  563. 9:43
  564. terms of a scenario it's not you know
  565. 9:45
  566. Sean but you don't know in that well you
  567. 9:46
  568. asked him for a meeting says he'll take
  569. 9:48
  570. it without knowing what it's about and
  571. 9:50
  572. then you come in and you tell them about
  573. 9:51
  574. this tape but wind up talking about
  575. 9:53
  576. shirts something will convenient no
  577. 9:55
  578. Chris I think you're trying to twist
  579. 9:58
  580. something and make a point that's not
  581. 9:59
  582. there so let me correct you okay please
  583. 10:01
  584. I called up I have no idea about Donald
  585. 10:04
  586. Trump jr. and this and antony's means
  587. 10:05
  588. I'm going to talk directly about Sean
  589. 10:07
  590. Spicer Sean and I know each other when I
  591. 10:09
  592. good friends but we're friendly I told
  593. 10:12
  594. him I was going to be watching I wanted
  595. 10:13
  596. to come by and talk to him about
  597. 10:14
  598. something and you never told him what
  599. 10:16
  600. you didn't say what it was about no no
  601. 10:18
  602. were you surprised what he said he'd
  603. 10:20
  604. take a meeting as busy as he was at the
  605. 10:22
  606. time with somebody he kind of knows but
  607. 10:24
  608. not that well now it wasn't surprised I
  609. 10:27
  610. was actually happy so apparently he
  611. 10:29
  612. liked me more than I thought okay and
  613. 10:31
  614. then when you fan meeting and you told
  615. 10:32
  616. them about the tape before you switched
  617. 10:34
  618. on to what shirtmaker you use what did
  619. 10:36
  620. he tell you really did I believe it or
  621. 10:38
  622. not no I'm not I'm not saying you're not
  623. 10:40
  624. telling the truth I'm just saying that
  625. 10:41
  626. when he oh yeah right I told him after
  627. 10:45
  628. he heard it by the way and ciphers can
  629. 10:47
  630. say whatever he wants I didn't make a
  631. 10:48
  632. conclusion Chris like you said I didn't
  633. 10:51
  634. make any conclusion go listen to it and
  635. 10:53
  636. anybody who listens to it will say hey
  637. 10:56
  638. there's something here and they should
  639. 10:58
  640. go listen to it at debunking rod
  641. 11:00
  642. wheelers claims you don't believe that
  643. 11:01
  644. in when bombs were acted the story do
  645. 11:03
  646. you still believe there's something to
  647. 11:04
  648. it
  649. 11:04
  650. all right you got to let me finish my
  651. 11:06
  652. point because
  653. 11:07
  654. that's one of the things I really want
  655. 11:08
  656. to be able to do okay so anybody listens
  657. 11:11
  658. to it well no there's something I didn't
  659. 11:13
  660. make your conclusion i sat down with
  661. 11:15
  662. Sean he and I are friendly we see each
  663. 11:17
  664. other I saw him at a debate once or
  665. 11:18
  666. twice I used to do some commentating on
  667. 11:20
  668. economic matters for the RNC and you
  669. 11:22
  670. know what
  671. 11:23
  672. he developed a nice little friendship I
  673. 11:25
  674. know the meeting lasted maybe 12 15
  675. 11:27
  676. minutes and then we got the old oh by
  677. 11:29
  678. the way Sean someone's here to see you
  679. 11:31
  680. what you know just means Edie get out of
  681. 11:33
  682. here and how did you leave it with him I
  683. 11:35
  684. just left I thought it was kind of cool
  685. 11:37
  686. and never been inside the White House
  687. 11:39
  688. they let me know what happens I'll
  689. 11:41
  690. follow up with you about this no he had
  691. 11:44
  692. no interest at all were you disappointed
  693. 11:46
  694. no I thought it was cool being in the
  695. 11:49
  696. White House but ed you went there to
  697. 11:52
  698. tell him something you thought was very
  699. 11:53
  700. important you wanted him to know about
  701. 11:54
  702. that tape when he didn't know when you
  703. 11:56
  704. point it you stone even Joey there he
  705. 11:59
  706. said Edie
  707. 11:59
  708. he said Edie you know what I'm new here
  709. 12:02
  710. I don't know but I can't do anything
  711. 12:05
  712. nobody here can do anything you got it
  713. 12:07
  714. you know whatever and we just let it go
  715. 12:09
  716. he didn't tell you what people aware of
  717. 12:11
  718. anything or anything like that
  719. 12:13
  720. no he had no interest he you know was
  721. 12:17
  722. going to talk about anything then we
  723. 12:19
  724. ended up talking about other things
  725. 12:20
  726. about being in here how cool it was
  727. 12:22
  728. we started talking the TV was on there
  729. 12:24
  730. was some game on we talked about that
  731. 12:25
  732. rod wheeler did not talk about asking
  733. 12:28
  734. for a job
  735. 12:29
  736. I told rod come along and you know meet
  737. 12:31
  738. him maybe somehow you can you know
  739. 12:33
  740. smoothes and get to develop a
  741. 12:35
  742. relationship with them another point rod
  743. 12:37
  744. wheeler sent me a text message saying
  745. 12:38
  746. can you get me back in to see Sean I
  747. 12:40
  748. want to give him you know some
  749. 12:42
  750. information and I have a text message
  751. 12:44
  752. that I'll send to you or I'll bring to
  753. 12:45
  754. you all right good the Fox News had
  755. 12:49
  756. retracted the story as we now know right
  757. 12:51
  758. do you still believe there is something
  759. 12:54
  760. to the suggestion I don't believe
  761. 12:57
  762. there's anything in that story that is
  763. 12:58
  764. inaccurate you believe in little Acuras
  765. 13:01
  766. retract let me finish I believe rod
  767. 13:04
  768. wheelers saying that he was misquoted is
  769. 13:08
  770. the reason they pulled it rod wheeler
  771. 13:10
  772. wasn't misquoted what rod wheeler did
  773. 13:12
  774. the night before he had a crush or has a
  775. 13:15
  776. crush on a lady named Maria Morocco with
  777. 13:18
  778. Fox 5 Washington and he leaked the story
  779. 13:20
  780. to her
  781. 13:21
  782. the night before she wrote a lot of
  783. 13:23
  784. stuff and I have a text message showing
  785. 13:26
  786. rod saying I need to sue Fox 5 because
  787. 13:29
  788. they miss quoted me so now Fox 5
  789. 13:31
  790. misquoted rod wheeler and then you got
  791. 13:34
  792. to bring in this lawyer named wig door
  793. 13:36
  794. who sues Fox for everything he's been on
  795. 13:38
  796. your channel many times and the
  797. 13:40
  798. combination of rod wheeler being broke
  799. 13:42
  800. rod wheeler lying and wigged or putting
  801. 13:45
  802. a case together against Fox now you have
  803. 13:48
  804. a lawsuit that you're quoting that's
  805. 13:50
  806. just full of nonsense you know
  807. 13:53
  808. Edie why are you getting a critical
  809. 13:56
  810. question in here because it matters why
  811. 13:58
  812. does it matter because there's a lawsuit
  813. 14:00
  814. in part because Fox News has come under
  815. 14:02
  816. the microscope for its journalism in
  817. 14:04
  818. part but there's a bigger reason I think
  819. 14:06
  820. it has nothing to do with politics
  821. 14:08
  822. there's nothing to do with the media you
  823. 14:10
  824. went to the rich family they were in
  825. 14:12
  826. grieving they were hurting they had in
  827. 14:15
  828. the worst kind of scenario they lost a
  829. 14:17
  830. loved one and they didn't know what
  831. 14:18
  832. happened and you went to them with this
  833. 14:21
  834. story about what happened to their son
  835. 14:23
  836. no now let me let me tell you some Chris
  837. 14:25
  838. I heard that said before and I want to
  839. 14:28
  840. be very clear right that did not happen
  841. 14:30
  842. how did you get her to tell you what
  843. 14:32
  844. happened what do you want to know what
  845. 14:34
  846. happened or you want to tell me I really
  847. 14:35
  848. want to know what happen to know why you
  849. 14:37
  850. would go to the I Nampally oh you it is
  851. 14:39
  852. type of stuff I'm going to tell you
  853. 14:42
  854. exactly what happened I heard something
  855. 14:44
  856. someone told me something about Seth
  857. 14:48
  858. rich I don't know the rich family I ever
  859. 14:50
  860. told you or something that happened
  861. 14:51
  862. I'm not going to tell you why that's not
  863. 14:53
  864. something I'm going to share with you
  865. 14:54
  866. why is it because the Matt brings no you
  867. 14:55
  868. said you'd tell me everything I thought
  869. 14:57
  870. you wanted to be all open you were going
  871. 14:58
  872. to come up here and here cover this I'm
  873. 15:00
  874. going to tell you everything except that
  875. 15:01
  876. how I it matters because it was so
  877. 15:04
  878. important now whoever told you those
  879. 15:05
  880. that you would go to a grieving family
  881. 15:08
  882. and talk to them about it would hurt
  883. 15:11
  884. them the mo right so I think we should
  885. 15:13
  886. know who held you because they must have
  887. 15:14
  888. been dead incredible right Chris when I
  889. 15:17
  890. before I came on air I had a discussion
  891. 15:20
  892. with your producer to let me talk so let
  893. 15:22
  894. me talk you've been talking plenty of
  895. 15:24
  896. I'm just saying I got a check what your
  897. 15:25
  898. I demanded me and Joe and he's handed a
  899. 15:27
  900. craft of excuse me because you continue
  901. 15:29
  902. to try to pull something out that you
  903. 15:32
  904. think is important and not let me talk
  905. 15:34
  906. I went to the rich family after finding
  907. 15:37
  908. them I got introduced to them I spoke to
  909. 15:39
  910. them December 17th at 3:17 p.m. for 30
  911. 15:44
  912. minutes I started off saying thank you
  913. 15:46
  914. I'm sorry what happened and so on I
  915. 15:47
  916. heard something I wanted to share with
  917. 15:49
  918. you and when I told them I'll tell you
  919. 15:51
  920. exactly what it was I heard something
  921. 15:53
  922. about WikiLeaks they said to me you know
  923. 15:56
  924. what we don't believe you I said fine we
  925. 15:59
  926. started talking about many other things
  927. 16:00
  928. started talking about children and life
  929. 16:03
  930. and so on they said if you ever find out
  931. 16:05
  932. anything will you please let us know
  933. 16:07
  934. that's all you know what this was very
  935. 16:09
  936. private and I had a private discussion
  937. 16:12
  938. with them when I left or sue me one with
  939. 16:14
  940. hugs the phone I just let it go and then
  941. 16:17
  942. at some point someone introduced me to
  943. 16:19
  944. sy her sy Hersh then told me all of this
  945. 16:23
  946. information I sent that privately to the
  947. 16:27
  948. rich family they said you know what ed
  949. 16:29
  950. if you ever have anything concrete let
  951. 16:31
  952. us know and then I said to them this I
  953. 16:33
  954. said why don't you hire a private
  955. 16:35
  956. detective and they said we would love to
  957. 16:38
  958. we can't afford one you know what Chris
  959. 16:41
  960. you don't know me but a lot of people
  961. 16:43
  962. out there do you know what I said I said
  963. 16:45
  964. I'll pay for it now I'm not a rich guy
  965. 16:48
  966. I'm not some rich donor I don't know why
  967. 16:50
  968. you guys keep saying that okay because
  969. 16:52
  970. I'm not rich at all but I said to these
  971. 16:54
  972. people you know what I'd be happy to pay
  973. 16:56
  974. for it I thought as most people would
  975. 16:59
  976. say no thank you
  977. 17:01
  978. that's we don't know you they said yes
  979. 17:03
  980. and I said oh I had no idea how much a
  981. 17:06
  982. private detective cost I started asking
  983. 17:08
  984. people who knows anybody was a private
  985. 17:10
  986. detective
  987. 17:11
  988. I got recommended rod wheeler by
  989. 17:14
  990. somebody I have an email exchange that
  991. 17:16
  992. I'll share with you and they said why
  993. 17:19
  994. don't you meet rod wheeler the first
  995. 17:20
  996. time I ever talked to rod wheeler was
  997. 17:22
  998. February 23rd so this nonsense that rod
  999. 17:24
  1000. wheeler said that he had been pinpointed
  1001. 17:26
  1002. is all BS rod wheeler wasn't pinpointed
  1003. 17:29
  1004. rod wheeler spoke to the riches for two
  1005. 17:32
  1006. weeks back and forth with a contract and
  1007. 17:34
  1008. the whole contract negotiation Chris
  1009. 17:35
  1010. according to rod wheeler was Erin rich
  1011. 17:38
  1012. and Erin Rich's wife saying don't ever
  1013. 17:41
  1014. look into WikiLeaks don't ever talked
  1015. 17:43
  1016. about emails and if you listen and if
  1017. 17:45
  1018. you build a debunking rod wheelers
  1019. 17:47
  1020. claims calm there's
  1021. 17:48
  1022. twenty-seven minute audio there a rod
  1023. 17:50
  1024. wheel are saving all of this so rod
  1025. 17:53
  1026. wheeler then is now involved there
  1027. 17:55
  1028. wasn't any of the nonsense that he's
  1029. 17:57
  1030. talking about coordination trying to do
  1031. 18:00
  1032. bad things him he knows all of that
  1033. 18:02
  1034. rod wheeler is broke and he's trying to
  1035. 18:05
  1036. make some money out of extorting maybe
  1037. 18:07
  1038. me maybe Fox who knows but the facts are
  1039. 18:11
  1040. none of this stuff is adding up to what
  1041. 18:14
  1042. rod wheeler is claiming that your full
  1043. 18:18
  1044. answer yeah but thank you for letting me
  1045. 18:21
  1046. talk all right so let me out let me ask
  1047. 18:24
  1048. you some questions go ahead your Trump
  1049. 18:26
  1050. supporter yes I'm a Republican and I
  1051. 18:30
  1052. didn't donate any money to Trump you're
  1053. 18:32
  1054. a trump supporter yes well I don't want
  1055. 18:36
  1056. him to get mad but I'm not a Republican
  1057. 18:38
  1058. I I didn't give him any money and I
  1059. 18:41
  1060. didn't campaign for him so I don't know
  1061. 18:42
  1062. what a trump supporter would be but what
  1063. 18:44
  1064. did I vote for him absolutely so you
  1065. 18:47
  1066. voted for Donald Trump so establish that
  1067. 18:50
  1068. you go to the rich family whom you
  1069. 18:52
  1070. didn't know you didn't have any
  1071. 18:53
  1072. pre-existing relationship right none
  1073. 18:55
  1074. whatsoever
  1075. 18:56
  1076. you hear something from somebody who you
  1077. 18:58
  1078. won't reveal the source to be right yeah
  1079. 19:02
  1080. yes okay well here's why it matters
  1081. 19:05
  1082. because on the strength of whoever that
  1083. 19:07
  1084. person was and what they told you which
  1085. 19:10
  1086. you have admitted on this show was not
  1087. 19:12
  1088. that much that you actually knew what
  1089. 19:13
  1090. happened because you learned more after
  1091. 19:16
  1092. the riches when you met Seymour Hersh
  1093. 19:18
  1094. and then did whatever other
  1095. 19:20
  1096. investigating that you did so on the
  1097. 19:22
  1098. basis of this one piece of information
  1099. 19:25
  1100. from this one person whom you won't
  1101. 19:27
  1102. review you go to a family that is in the
  1103. 19:30
  1104. worst situation of their life and say to
  1105. 19:33
  1106. them hey I have an idea of what may have
  1107. 19:37
  1108. happened with your son does that make
  1109. 19:39
  1110. sense to you is that the kind of thing
  1111. 19:41
  1112. that somebody does know don't they go to
  1113. 19:43
  1114. a family that's grieve excuse me let me
  1115. 19:45
  1116. finish I'll let you finish you know
  1117. 19:46
  1118. Chris I mean I don't appreciate you go
  1119. 19:48
  1120. to the family that's dreaming it's
  1121. 19:50
  1122. insane I heard something you don't know
  1123. 19:52
  1124. anything but you heard something and on
  1125. 19:55
  1126. the strength of that alone in your
  1127. 19:56
  1128. humanity you went to this family and
  1129. 19:58
  1130. offered it up to them and that was your
  1131. 20:00
  1132. only motivation to give them this
  1133. 20:01
  1134. of information so Chris I resent you
  1135. 20:05
  1136. trying to characterize me as an
  1137. 20:07
  1138. insensitive jerk because crows are your
  1139. 20:10
  1140. words I'm asking you a question I know
  1141. 20:12
  1142. but you know what that's what it's
  1143. 20:14
  1144. obviously coming across so here's the
  1145. 20:15
  1146. answer Chris I went to this family
  1147. 20:18
  1148. because I thought I had heard something
  1149. 20:19
  1150. that would help these people because
  1151. 20:22
  1152. they had said in newspapers and by the
  1153. 20:24
  1154. way when I heard that information it
  1155. 20:25
  1156. took me about two months after my son
  1157. 20:27
  1158. went to college and I couldn't imagine
  1159. 20:29
  1160. what it would be like to have a son
  1161. 20:31
  1162. murdered and nobody was telling them the
  1163. 20:34
  1164. Washington police according to what I
  1165. 20:36
  1166. read wasn't telling him anything and
  1167. 20:38
  1168. they weren't investigating anything so
  1169. 20:40
  1170. when I got ahold of them I went to them
  1171. 20:42
  1172. thinking I was actually going to try to
  1173. 20:44
  1174. help these people bring some relief or
  1175. 20:46
  1176. some knowledge about what happened to
  1177. 20:48
  1178. their son my son had just left to go to
  1179. 20:50
  1180. Vanderbilt I was an empty nester had a
  1181. 20:52
  1182. lot of time to reflect on my life and
  1183. 20:54
  1184. you do that when you're an empty nester
  1185. 20:55
  1186. Chris okay and I'm reflecting and I
  1187. 20:58
  1188. thought this is weird
  1189. 20:59
  1190. because if I know something this is the
  1191. 21:01
  1192. way I am about somebody's kid or if I
  1193. 21:04
  1194. think I know something and as how I was
  1195. 21:06
  1196. growing up excuse me with my kids I'm
  1197. 21:08
  1198. not going to hold on to something
  1199. 21:09
  1200. without the parents knowing and anybody
  1201. 21:11
  1202. who knows me knows that's the way I am
  1203. 21:13
  1204. so what I did is I called up got ahold
  1205. 21:17
  1206. of an and share this with them as soon
  1207. 21:19
  1208. as they said we don't believe you it was
  1209. 21:20
  1210. over well since I thought I needed to
  1211. 21:22
  1212. say something except that it wasn't you
  1213. 21:24
  1214. went and found wheeler you went and
  1215. 21:25
  1216. talked to her and now I wind up no
  1217. 21:27
  1218. you're wrong with him you're wrong there
  1219. 21:28
  1220. well that's what he gets over at that
  1221. 21:30
  1222. time all right I understand I intended
  1223. 21:32
  1224. this that you're trying to move an over
  1225. 21:34
  1226. but that was over the whole situation
  1227. 21:36
  1228. wasn't over
  1229. 21:37
  1230. but that introduction was I understand
  1231. 21:39
  1232. it bragging what you don't know is they
  1233. 21:40
  1234. asked me to make a donation to the sons
  1235. 21:43
  1236. memorial they asked me to come up for a
  1237. 21:46
  1238. concert in his name they asked me to
  1239. 21:48
  1240. find out who this Jack Burkman guy was
  1241. 21:51
  1242. right the riches asked me I have a text
  1243. 21:53
  1244. message or an email they also said that
  1245. 21:56
  1246. this guy Brad Bauman just showed up one
  1247. 21:59
  1248. day and said he was assigned to them
  1249. 22:01
  1250. from the DNC and they asked me why now
  1251. 22:05
  1252. let's remember something I'm a
  1253. 22:07
  1254. Republican Seth Hurst is you accept rich
  1255. 22:10
  1256. the huge Bernie Sanders supporter the
  1257. 22:14
  1258. riches are
  1259. 22:15
  1260. being Democrats I don't care what
  1261. 22:17
  1262. somebody's political party is I care
  1263. 22:19
  1264. about human beings and I heard something
  1265. 22:21
  1266. and I felt inside that I needed to share
  1267. 22:24
  1268. this with a family I didn't go there to
  1269. 22:27
  1270. help set this family I went there to
  1271. 22:29
  1272. help them they were already upset
  1273. 22:30
  1274. because the DC police wasn't telling him
  1275. 22:32
  1276. anything well they were upset because
  1277. 22:33
  1278. her son was killed Grif absolutely
  1279. 22:35
  1280. understand her something so I thought
  1281. 22:37
  1282. I'd share that much we know what it
  1283. 22:38
  1284. ought to be true right we know something
  1285. 22:40
  1286. else also the rich family put out a
  1287. 22:42
  1288. statement saying they hope that this
  1289. 22:44
  1290. lawsuit will end the connection of their
  1291. 22:47
  1292. son and their family to an ugly set of
  1293. 22:49
  1294. conspiracies I'm out of time for this
  1295. 22:52
  1296. but II D I hope you pull a lot more a
  1297. 22:53
  1298. secret yeah I want to tell you this was
  1299. 22:56
  1300. a good start and I'm looking forward to
  1301. 22:57
  1302. you giving me all the backing for
  1303. 22:59
  1304. everything that you said right
  1305. 23:00
  1306. supporting harriel back greatly
  1307. 23:01
  1308. appreciate it let's look at the
  1309. 23:03
  1310. information want to come back thank you
  1311. 23:05
  1312. very much ed Bukowski take care
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