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  1. [00:10:32] [Izzanods] is there an admin here right now?
  2. [00:10:32] [BiTwA-PL] any admin here
  3. [00:10:40] [Izzanods] Bitwa will handle it :)
  4. [00:10:59] [BiTwA-PL] i need an admin or player sect
  5. [00:11:07] [BiTwA-PL] clansy??
  6. [00:11:34] ::: join: (SmashBros) (Im@llergic.to.stupidity)
  7. [00:11:41] [SmashBros] any staff on, need help quickly please
  8. [00:11:48] [@bl0ndie] ok
  9. [00:11:50] [@bl0ndie] line em up
  10. [00:11:52] [@bl0ndie] whats up?
  11. [00:11:54] [BiTwA-PL] yeah smash none are responding
  12. [00:11:59] [Izzanods] I think we're all here for the same issue
  13. [00:11:59] [SmashBros] lol
  14. [00:12:03] [SmashBros] id assume so :P
  15. [00:12:09] [BiTwA-PL] someone from faction just sent 90 billion to valesh and he isnt online
  16. [00:12:20] [@bl0ndie] was it valeshes cash?
  17. [00:12:22] [BiTwA-PL] we are not sure who is doing it and why
  18. [00:12:26] [BiTwA-PL] yes
  19. [00:12:26] [SmashBros] and organised someone to mug him
  20. [00:12:31] [&wolfeh] we just talked about that BiTwA-PL
  21. [00:12:35] [&wolfeh] if its his cash
  22. [00:12:43] [@bl0ndie] ^^
  23. [00:12:43] [BiTwA-PL] he isnt online
  24. [00:12:47] [@bl0ndie] dont matter
  25. [00:12:49] [@bl0ndie] its his cash
  26. [00:12:54] [BiTwA-PL] same thing happen again
  27. [00:13:02] [&wolfeh] the same people that did it before and still have access to the cash
  28. [00:13:10] [&wolfeh] ?
  29. [00:13:21] [BiTwA-PL] im not sure who done it
  30. [00:13:30] [BiTwA-PL] the last person isnt online
  31. [00:13:36] [BiTwA-PL] who did it then
  32. [00:27:03] [BiTwA-PL] should i make a post about this to warn others
  33. [00:27:08] [BiTwA-PL] kind of a shit loophole
  34. [00:27:23] [@bl0ndie] there is no lupehole
  35. [00:27:31] [@bl0ndie] someone gave valesh his own cash
  36. [00:27:34] [@bl0ndie] no rule break
  37. [00:27:38] [BiTwA-PL] he was given cash with out his permission
  38. [00:27:39] [@bl0ndie] no loophole
  39. [00:27:40] ::: join: (blondestarbucks) (blondestar@1562615.87A15F5D.25110409.IP)
  40. [00:27:55] [@bl0ndie] he gave people access to the faction bank
  41. [00:28:03] ::: quit: (Trollop) Ping timeout
  42. [00:28:05] [@bl0ndie] he cash was not stolen
  43. [00:28:05] [BiTwA-PL] cause they banked there cash
  44. [00:28:11] [@bl0ndie] it was given ti him
  45. [00:28:25] [BiTwA-PL] kk ill make a thread and tell everyone same thing
  46. [00:28:29] [BiTwA-PL] good trick to know
  47. [00:28:33] [&wolfeh] and BiTwA-PL
  48. [00:28:36] [@bl0ndie] it will be graved
  49. [00:28:38] [&wolfeh] you just advertised it in here >.>
  50. [00:28:41] [Plornt] And get more mugged from him ??
  51. [00:28:47] [BiTwA-PL] i dont care im done with this game
  52. [00:28:54] [BiTwA-PL] he would lose it all anyway
  53. [00:29:00] [@bl0ndie] there is nothing to make a thread about
  54. [00:29:27] [BiTwA-PL] so its legal
  55. [00:29:38] [@bl0ndie] we told you that
  56. [00:29:52] [@bl0ndie] he gave valesh his own cash
  57. [00:29:55] [@bl0ndie] no rule break
  58. [00:29:57] [BiTwA-PL] told me what i havent spoken to valesh so i couldnt removbe access
  59. [00:29:57] [~Clansy] If someone is giving someone their own money in a faction
  60. [00:30:03] [~Clansy] A. They have been given access to the faction bank
  61. [00:30:07] [BiTwA-PL] while not online
  62. [00:30:09] [~Clansy] and B. they gave someone their own money
  63. [00:30:26] [~Clansy] when do faction leaders have a bit of responibility about their access list?
  64. [00:30:27] [karesz] <&T-Away> You watch wolfeh land the finishing hit on Valesh. >.<
  65. [00:30:33] [karesz] rofl
  66. [00:30:49] [BiTwA-PL] clansy wording it doesnt make it right
  67. [00:31:00] [~Clansy] No there is nothing wrong about it
  68. [00:31:06] [BiTwA-PL] moonwalker wasnt online as we told he was the mole
  69. [00:31:07] [~Clansy] Its no different then putting a slut in a faction
  70. [00:31:22] [BiTwA-PL] how did we know we had more then one person doing it
  71. [00:31:39] [~Clansy] I have no idea as you shouldnt get that information from staff
  72. [00:31:52] [BiTwA-PL] what ever
  73. [00:32:10] ::: quit: (Lexa) NickServ (GHOST command used by Nukpana)
  74. [00:32:14] ::: nick: (Nukpana) is now known as (Lexa)
  75. [00:32:15] [~Clansy] How bout I look in all factions and mail the other when a slut gets put in it?
  76. [00:32:27] [@bl0ndie] good idea
  77. [00:32:28] [BiTwA-PL] i still cant believe its ok for someone to hand out a players cash to them when they not online to do a scam
  78. [00:32:30] [@bl0ndie] you got the time?
  79. [00:32:50] [~Clansy] They are handing out money that belongs to that player
  80. [00:32:54] [~Clansy] and were given access to do so
  81. [00:33:01] [~Clansy] why is this my responibilty ?
  82. [00:33:05] [BiTwA-PL] the person who sent out the cash in first place wasnt fedded
  83. [00:33:08] [~Clansy] No one but those Im sure of have access in my faction to my cash
  84. [00:33:39] [@bl0ndie] [00:33:06] <BiTwA-PL> the person who sent out the cash in first place wasnt fedded << why should they be fedded?
  85. [00:34:14] [BiTwA-PL] nm good luck with the game to me this is bullshit what has happen
  86. [00:35:04] [~Clansy] Im amazed that faction leaders cant just limit who has access to the cash in a faction
  87. [00:35:10] [~Clansy] instantly it becomes staff's fault
  88. [00:35:13] [~Clansy] I didnt set that access list
  89. [00:35:16] [~Clansy] you guys did
  90. [00:35:19] [~Clansy] or whoever your leader is
  91. [00:35:28] [Nathan_] BiTwA-PL you can see in the faction who sent the money to valesh
  92. [00:35:33] [~Clansy] and now the game is at fault because you gave someone access that shouldnt have had it
  93. [00:35:34] [BiTwA-PL] no i cant
  94. [00:36:12] [BiTwA-PL] clansy no offense but you fail to see the problem here you dont seem to mind it going down
  95. [00:36:18] [Plornt] Nathan_ it only says "Blah has been given Blah from the faction"
  96. [00:36:26] [BiTwA-PL] its the same as faction theft
  97. [00:36:30] [karesz] i do agree that we are at fault as well here
  98. [00:36:31] [Nathan_] oh yeah lol
  99. [00:36:37] [~Clansy] I don't mind it in the least just like I dont mind sluts
  100. [00:36:37] [Nathan_] BiTwA-PL how isit theft
  101. [00:36:39] [karesz] however
  102. [00:36:50] [~Clansy] if you were stolen from I would take care of that
  103. [00:36:53] [karesz] someone giving out someone else's cash without their permission only to be mugged of by third person
  104. [00:36:57] ::: quit: (Lexa) Connection reset by peer
  105. [00:36:57] [BiTwA-PL] it is theft as someone has planned to give out money that is not theres
  106. [00:37:05] ::: join: (Lexa) (Lexa.is@ll.sweetness.and.light)
  107. [00:37:16] [~Clansy] that you gave access to (or someone did) and they gave a player their own cash
  108. [00:37:40] [BiTwA-PL] with there permission
  109. [00:37:43] [karesz] and to make it worse, an admin saying they can not help, only to find that they are jumping on the mugging-bandwagon a few minutes later is straight absurd
  110. [00:37:44] [BiTwA-PL] i think not
  111. [00:37:59] [~Clansy] Ive not mugged anyone but my staff and Murderdeathkill
  112. [00:38:00] [~Clansy] thanks?
  113. [00:38:15] [karesz] i didn't mean you >.>
  114. [00:38:20] [BiTwA-PL] clansy if you got given 100 billion while ofline of your own cash would you think thats fair
  115. [00:38:49] [BiTwA-PL] i kicked the guy who done it i believe
  116. [00:38:57] [~Clansy] I would be pissed BiTwA-PL
  117. [00:39:06] [~Clansy] because about 5 people have access to my cash
  118. [00:39:08] [~Clansy] and I trust them all
  119. [00:39:16] [~Clansy] so yes I would be proper pissed it happened
  120. [00:39:21] [BiTwA-PL] buts its not allowed
  121. [00:39:26] [karesz] believe me, we don't have many more on the access list either
  122. [00:39:27] [hotchoccie] Is it not faction theft?
  123. [00:39:28] [~Clansy] It is allowed
  124. [00:39:30] [karesz] that's what pisses me off rather
  125. [00:39:40] [BiTwA-PL] how can someone give money to another player with out permission even if they have access
  126. [00:39:56] [hotchoccie] He gave money that wasnt his to give. surely its theft?
  127. [00:40:02] [karesz] it should be
  128. [00:40:04] [~Clansy] Its not faction theft when someone on the access list gives someone else their own cash
  129. [00:40:07] [karesz] but apparently it's not
  130. [00:40:16] [~Clansy] If he had given the cash to himself it would be
  131. [00:40:21] [karesz] without their permission
  132. [00:40:21] [~Clansy] but he gave the rightful owner the cash
  133. [00:40:51] [karesz] just because the one wasn't directly given out doesn't mean it wasn't stolen
  134. [00:40:57] [karesz] it was given out only to be mugged by someone else
  135. [00:41:06] ::: join: (Izzanods) (Joseph.Cir@Torn-FE3BCB9E.dyn.optonline.net)
  136. [00:41:18] [karesz] if only there were at least clear rules about this, but there aren't actually
  137. [00:41:27] [BiTwA-PL] it isnt all his cash anyway its half factions
  138. [00:41:34] [BiTwA-PL] 90 billion was given out
  139. [00:41:35] [~Clansy] Just like getting a slut into a faction so they can win respect for the other team
  140. [00:41:44] [hotchoccie] 90bill worth tho..
  141. [00:41:47] [~Clansy] there is no theft happening its the only thing we protect
  142. [00:41:47] [BiTwA-PL] it doesnt mean it was all his
  143. [00:41:51] [Izzanods] it's not all his
  144. [00:42:04] [Lugia] how much would they be getting each mug
  145. [00:42:04] [~Clansy] we would have checked his deposits
  146. [00:42:10] [~Clansy] to verify it before we made this decision
  147. [00:42:12] [BiTwA-PL] just cause he had 80 or so in there doesnt mean all the cash given out was his
  148. [00:42:19] [karesz] i'm not quite sure why you are bringing up slutting here, what does that have to do with anything?
  149. [00:42:32] [karesz] someone gave out money that didn't belong to them, without the permission of the person the money belongs to
  150. [00:42:35] [Izzanods] it doesnt matter if every penny is his
  151. [00:42:42] [karesz] who they gave it to is irrelevant
  152. [00:42:52] [~Clansy] I can solve this whole thing by removing any rules on protecting factions
  153. [00:43:00] [~Clansy] then I assume people will be smarter with their access list
  154. [00:43:05] [Izzanods] the fact is that it was an unauthorized approval of money
  155. [00:43:10] [BiTwA-PL] maybe you should clansy
  156. [00:44:00] [karesz] perhaps you should, it would be better than having unclear rules about something
  157. [00:44:14] [hotchoccie] So just to clarift, a moral injustice, but legal by rules?
  158. [00:44:18] [hotchoccie] clarify**
  159. [00:44:31] [karesz] by rules?
  160. [00:44:33] [karesz] what rules?
  161. [00:44:39] [karesz] Theft from faction bank/armoury
  162. [00:44:39] [karesz] Taking cash/points/items in a faction without the leaders approval, gaining leadership under false pretenses and refusing to return control of the faction to the rightful leader etc.
  163. [00:44:39] [hotchoccie] torn rules...
  164. [00:44:53] [karesz] according to that any money i move without the approval of the leader is theft
  165. [00:44:53] [Izzanods] that is a clear violation of the rules
  166. [00:45:05] [karesz] so basically every time i gave out my money in the past i broke the rules
  167. [00:45:11] [Izzanods] that is right
  168. [00:45:19] [Callan] the leader gave you access
  169. [00:45:19] [Izzanods] it's the letter of the law vs the spirit of the law
  170. [00:45:22] [Callan] isnt that his approval?
  171. [00:45:25] [karesz] since the rule doesn't even specify whose property i'm giving out there
  172. [00:45:26] [BiTwA-PL] past leader
  173. [00:45:26] [Izzanods] no
  174. [00:45:35] [BiTwA-PL] valesh was made leader yesterday
  175. [00:45:45] [hotchoccie] It just seems, something should be done...
  176. [00:45:48] [BiTwA-PL] we cant even track who gave cash out
  177. [00:45:59] [hotchoccie] can staff track it?
  178. [00:46:06] [Izzanods] I doubt they would say a word
  179. [00:46:13] [Izzanods] when <censored> assholes like Sif and BB are mugging him
  180. [00:46:25] [Lugia] How though, it's the game :/
  181. [00:46:26] [Izzanods] talk about pathetic human beings...those names are right at the top
  182. [00:46:46] [BiTwA-PL] why cant we see who gives out cash we can see when people take cash
  183. [00:47:23] [~Clansy] We are pathetic human beings because Valesh got mugged for fake money on a game?
  184. [00:47:25] [~Clansy] lol
  185. [00:47:55] [karesz] lol guys don't get carried away there
  186. [00:47:57] [BiTwA-PL] no clansy
  187. [00:48:08] [karesz] you are not pathetic human beings
  188. [00:48:12] [BiTwA-PL] it's sad when a rule has been broken
  189. [00:48:18] [karesz] a little low to say you can't help then mug valesh yourself afterwards
  190. [00:48:22] [karesz] again, not talking about you personally
  191. [00:48:25] [BiTwA-PL] valesh was given leadership yesterday
  192. [00:48:55] [Izzanods] what's sad to me is that we have admins in this game who don't do anything but argue with players
  193. [00:48:55] [karesz] i'm just pointing out the fact there are no proper rules regarding this
  194. [00:49:07] [karesz] so you really are just deciding here yourself whether you help or not
  195. [00:49:22] [karesz] and it's clear what happened here is WRONG yet you decide not to help
  196. [00:49:28] [@bl0ndie] They are not arguing, they are stating facts
  197. [00:49:32] [@bl0ndie] pure and simple
  198. [00:49:32] [~Clansy] There are no rules because we state what we cover
  199. [00:49:36] [~Clansy] we cover faction theft
  200. [00:49:39] [BiTwA-PL] facts are rule was broken
  201. [00:49:49] [karesz] you do not state in the rules what faction theft is however
  202. [00:49:51] [@bl0ndie] nope
  203. [00:49:52] [karesz] meaning there are no actual rules
  204. [00:49:55] [@bl0ndie] no rule was broken
  205. [00:50:02] [BiTwA-PL] they did steal from faction
  206. [00:50:04] [Izzanods] the fact is that his was an unauthorized
  207. [00:50:04] [karesz] actually, there were
  208. [00:50:05] [~Clansy] When one person takes someone elses stuff for their own personal self
  209. [00:50:06] [karesz] according to the rules
  210. [00:50:07] [~Clansy] its not hard
  211. [00:50:13] [BiTwA-PL] i got 35 billion invested with valesh
  212. [00:50:15] [karesz] according to the rules, it was broken every time someone took money out
  213. [00:50:22] [karesz] perhaps you should at least remove that part of the rules then
  214. [00:50:22] [hotchoccie] They made several bill off this... i would say they got personal ain
  215. [00:50:27] [hotchoccie] gain*
  216. [00:50:37] [~Clansy] And valesh could take your 35 bill and never give it back and we wouldnt get involved there either
  217. [00:50:43] [~Clansy] as it would be listed as scamming
  218. [00:50:46] [BiTwA-PL] so 90 billion of that cash 35 billion is mine
  219. [00:50:53] [BiTwA-PL] thats faction theft
  220. [00:50:54] [Izzanods] so Clansy, I'm a broker at Goldman Sachs and I have your money since you deposited it with me and I buy BP stocks with it without approval and the stock goes down
  221. [00:50:58] [Izzanods] THAT IS ILLEGAL
  222. [00:51:03] [Izzanods] that is what is happening here
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  224. [00:51:14] [karesz] that is not a very valid point however Izzanods
  225. [00:51:19] [karesz] considering scamming is legal here
  226. [00:51:21] ::: join: (Aido) (Aido@27904A65.35920D88.50C88821.IP)
  227. [00:51:27] [Izzanods] that's not scamming
  228. [00:51:29] [Izzanods] that's theft
  229. [00:51:31] [Izzanods] that is illegal
  230. [00:51:32] [~Clansy] Izzanods everytime you open your mouth you make yourself look quite stupid to be honest
  231. [00:51:37] [@bl0ndie] LOL
  232. [00:51:39] [BiTwA-PL] i told you this from the start that i had 35 billion with valesh to cover bets and such
  233. [00:51:40] [karesz] theft like that is considered scamming here
  234. [00:51:42] [~Clansy] could I have a convo with karesz and BiTwA-PL without you speaking
  235. [00:51:54] [Izzanods] Clansy, I didnt open my mouth, so if you want to be intelligent for once, say when I type
  236. [00:51:54] ::: join: (Callann) (Callan@BBDEF3AF.11DEA421.FEAFF62D.IP)
  237. [00:51:57] [Izzanods] understand that>
  238. [00:51:59] [Izzanods] good
  239. [00:52:01] [Nathan_] It's more like this
  240. [00:52:02] [karesz] look, all i'm trying to say is there are no written rules about this
  241. [00:52:06] [&wolfeh] oh boy
  242. [00:52:10] [&wolfeh] >.<
  243. [00:52:12] ::: quit: (Callan) NickServ (GHOST command used by Callann)
  244. [00:52:16] ::: nick: (Callann) is now known as (Callan)
  245. [00:52:17] [Nathan_] actually i cba
  246. [00:52:21] [karesz] so pointing out this is not against the rules is pretty weak
  247. [00:52:24] ::: nick: (ThatIrishGuy) is now known as (Conor)
  248. [00:52:28] [karesz] so how much are you up from the muggings wolfeh?
  249. [00:52:29] [karesz] >.>
  250. [00:52:34] [~Clansy] So you get the concpet of typing not being real
  251. [00:52:45] [Izzanods] I get the fact I make a lot more money that you in RL
  252. [00:52:48] [~Clansy] how about valeshs cash he lost today wont effect his electric bill
  253. [00:52:51] [Izzanods] therefore, dont tell me about intelligence
  254. [00:53:02] [hotchoccie] Whats RL cash gotta do with it?
  255. [00:53:03] [karesz] i get it. it's play money, and it's a game.
  256. [00:53:03] [BiTwA-PL] clansy will i get my 35 billion back or not
  257. [00:53:05] [Callan] ^
  258. [00:53:13] [~Clansy] Yes the intelligence spews out of your 'typing' Izzanods
  259. [00:53:20] [@bl0ndie] lol
  260. [00:53:24] [karesz] but that still doesn't make it any less wrong
  261. [00:53:28] [&wolfeh] i got about 900m karesz
  262. [00:53:30] [~Clansy] Sure BiTwA-PL when valesh sends it
  263. [00:53:33] [karesz] gratz
  264. [00:53:34] [karesz] rofl
  265. [00:53:36] [&wolfeh] which i will send to him when hes onine
  266. [00:53:37] [~Clansy] you just said you gave it to him for investments
  267. [00:53:41] [&wolfeh] im a friend of his too
  268. [00:53:44] [hotchoccie] off one mug wolfeh?!
  269. [00:53:49] [BiTwA-PL] clansy he was sent 90 billion of cash with out permission
  270. [00:53:56] [BiTwA-PL] and 35 billion of mine i invested
  271. [00:54:03] [karesz] sifonjer took like 16b so far?
  272. [00:54:21] [BiTwA-PL] just give me a name
  273. [00:54:28] [Plornt] If you look at his muggings It just keeps going up
  274. [00:54:40] ::: nick: (Shoooo) is now known as (WickedPrincess)
  275. [00:55:14] [hotchoccie] $2,393,803,524.... thats BB's right now...
  276. [00:59:07] ::: part: (Clansy)
  277. [00:59:17] ::: join: (Clansy) (Ch@v.Tastic.Aiiiiight)
  278. [00:59:17] ::: mode: (Barbie_car) sets (+qo Clansy Clansy)
  279. [00:59:39] [Nathan_] Money mugged: $92,771,878,563
  280. [00:59:41] [Nathan_] ^^ sifonjer lol
  281. [01:40:40] [BiTwA-PL] clansy can i quote something
  282. [01:40:46] [BiTwA-PL] and you explain this to me
  283. [01:41:16] [BiTwA-PL] Taking money out of the faction that isn't yours regardless of who you send it to is faction theft perpetrated by you, the money will be recovered from the muggers and players they sent it to, and you will be put in fed for faction theft,
  284. [01:41:39] [~Clansy] I never said that to you
  285. [01:42:01] [BiTwA-PL] thats how i read the rules
  286. [01:42:26] [~Clansy] I explained it all to you in pm
  287. [01:42:36] [~Clansy] So why we are back in here is beyond me
  288. [01:42:48] [Callan] that isnt the rules.. thats what beerstein said
  289. [01:42:50] [Callan] o_O
  290. [01:42:51] [BiTwA-PL] ok then but this wont be the end of it
  291. [01:43:02] [BiTwA-PL] and its how people read the rules
  292. [01:43:10] [~Clansy] It is now because of this
  293. [01:43:14] [~Clansy] because it's convienent
  294. [01:43:19] [~Clansy] It is not what is stated in the rules however
  295. [01:43:20] [BiTwA-PL] look thisa go further down hill fast
  296. [01:43:27] [BiTwA-PL] ass i paid real money to this game
  297. [01:44:08] [BiTwA-PL] im not talking a few hundred dollars
  298. [01:44:08] [BiTwA-PL] you gonna <censored> me over with my real cash
  299. [01:44:12] [~Clansy] It will only go down hill fast as those who like Valesh will shout he was done wrong to and those who dont will shout that the rules state nothing was done wrong
  300. [01:44:25] [~Clansy] It turns into a popularity contest fast
  301. [01:44:37] [BiTwA-PL] clansy i p[aid real cash
  302. [01:44:43] [Callan] donated*
  303. [01:44:45] [BiTwA-PL] someone has give out my game money
  304. [01:44:49] [~Clansy] Yea I get that and as far as records show
  305. [01:44:56] [~Clansy] you gave your money to someone to invest for you
  306. [01:45:05] [~Clansy] which we do not ever get involved with
  307. [01:45:10] [hotchoccie] U have lost it bitwa-Pl...
  308. [01:45:10] [BiTwA-PL] wording again
  309. [01:45:13] [hotchoccie] havent***
  310. [01:45:26] [BiTwA-PL] right and wrong
  311. [01:45:30] [BiTwA-PL] thats all there is in the game
  312. [01:45:32] [hotchoccie] valesh guarenteed your money dint he..
  313. [01:45:40] [BiTwA-PL] he got none left
  314. [01:45:41] ::: quit: (bogie|sleeping) Ping timeout
  315. [01:45:41] ::: quit: (Plornt) Ping timeout
  316. [01:45:45] [BiTwA-PL] i just spyed him
  317. [01:45:52] [hotchoccie] how much now..
  318. [01:45:56] [hotchoccie] 20when i checked
  319. [01:46:04] [BiTwA-PL] thats way gone
  320. [01:46:38] ::: join: (jeremy604) (jkcfong@D3923F85.2A22D35.888F1DED.IP)
  321. [01:46:41] [BiTwA-PL] to me its either right or wrong and to me its wrong
  322. [01:46:50] ::: quit: (Kaya-Mesi) noez dont castrate him
  323. [01:46:54] [BiTwA-PL] if clansy gave me 20 bucks and i put it on her back and it got lost her fault
  324. [01:47:20] [hotchoccie] it seems bizare...
  325. [01:49:35] [BiTwA-PL] if you turn your back on this more will follow
  326. [01:49:40] [BiTwA-PL] you say trust
  327. [01:49:52] [BiTwA-PL] its an online game i dont have tea with these people
  328. [01:50:08] [BiTwA-PL] i have to trust people who i played with for a year or two
  329. [01:50:12] [hotchoccie] If faction theft is allowed, the rules need editing to say so.. surely
  330. [01:50:18] [BiTwA-PL] i dont know them full stop
  331. [01:50:23] [~Clansy] This was not theft from a faction
  332. [01:50:30] [BiTwA-PL] it was
  333. [01:50:31] [runninryan123] lol
  334. [01:50:37] [runninryan123] yeah it was.
  335. [01:50:41] [BiTwA-PL] someone gave cash that wasnt theres
  336. [01:50:43] [~Clansy] but I am quite sure the faction theft rules will be getting deleted and factions can fend for themselves totally shortly
  337. [01:50:44] [hotchoccie] Taking money that wasnt yours to take... id say so :)
  338. [01:50:48] [BiTwA-PL] valesh can withdraw his OWN CASH
  339. [01:50:53] [~Clansy] and gave to the rightful owner
  340. [01:51:01] [BiTwA-PL] no clansy
  341. [01:51:07] [~Clansy] BiTwA-PL didnt take valesh's cash and leave the faction
  342. [01:51:09] [BiTwA-PL] the leader can withdraw his own cash
  343. [01:51:10] [~Clansy] that's theft ^^
  344. [01:51:17] [BiTwA-PL] why the <censored> would he ask some random to give him cash
  345. [01:51:23] [~Clansy] yea I know Im leader of mine but my guys still send me cash sometimes
  346. [01:51:33] [BiTwA-PL] bull shit
  347. [01:51:35] [hotchoccie] Ok... from a personal view.. can you not see where we're coming from? ignore your admin ness
  348. [01:51:38] [BiTwA-PL] from faction to you
  349. [01:51:40] [~Clansy] bull shit?
  350. [01:51:45] [BiTwA-PL] maybe when you f;lyiong to rehab
  351. [01:51:48] [~Clansy] They do quite alot when Im flying or etc
  352. [01:51:50] [BiTwA-PL] but not when you offline
  353. [01:51:57] [BiTwA-PL] see FLYING
  354. [01:51:58] [~Clansy] no because they wouldnt do that to me
  355. [01:52:01] [BiTwA-PL] wording again
  356. [01:52:07] [BiTwA-PL] you dont know
  357. [01:52:15] [BiTwA-PL] you dont <censored> see these people in real life
  358. [01:52:16] [~Clansy] well if they do thats on me then
  359. [01:52:20] [~Clansy] I wont get shit back
  360. [01:52:39] [~Clansy] well yea I do some of them
  361. [01:52:39] [BiTwA-PL] thats bad admin to me
  362. [01:52:50] [BiTwA-PL] right and wrong its a wrong
  363. [01:53:22] [~Clansy] You call be bad admin all you want but I am doing what I would have done to anyone including myself in that situtation as I just stated
  364. [01:53:37] [BiTwA-PL] and its wrong clansy
  365. [01:53:38] [~Clansy] Ive lost all my cash twice due to it being on an account that got marked for deletion
  366. [01:53:47] [BiTwA-PL] you encourage people to be <censored> dogs in the game
  367. [01:54:09] [~Clansy] It's a crime game >.< I don't have to encourage them
  368. [01:54:17] [BiTwA-PL] no
  369. [01:54:22] [BiTwA-PL] this is different and you know it
  370. [01:54:24] [hotchoccie] I have to ask.. are u writing <censored> or are u writing the word and it filters it..?
  371. [01:54:38] [BiTwA-PL] comes up f uck on my screen
  372. [01:54:51] [Callan] channel mode is +G hotchoccie.. that is swear filtering
  373. [01:54:54] [Callan] I think.
  374. [01:54:54] [hotchoccie] <BiTwA-PL> you encourage people to be <censored> dogs in the game
  375. [01:55:03] [hotchoccie] Thanks
  376. [01:55:10] [runninryan123] can i get this straight? if i go into a faction for a few months get their trust and get access to help run chains it is allowed to completely destroy what their members have worked for?
  377. [01:55:10] [BiTwA-PL] this game is ment to be fun
  378. [01:55:12] [runninryan123] thats just wrong
  379. [01:55:14] [BiTwA-PL] do crimes yes
  380. [01:55:26] [BiTwA-PL] but hard worked and cash bs
  381. [01:55:35] [BiTwA-PL] lost in minutes cause of wording
  382. [01:56:54] [hotchoccie] Hope he hasnt spent RL cash here..
  383. [01:57:12] [BiTwA-PL] they say donated
  384. [01:57:31] [~Clansy] runninryan123 people do it daily in wars by having sluts put in there or spies
  385. [01:57:40] [~Clansy] have you not been playing very long? :S
  386. [01:57:48] [hotchoccie] whatever you call it... put real money in the game.. :)
  387. [01:57:51] [BiTwA-PL] i been playing for 1700 days plus
  388. [01:58:11] [BiTwA-PL] i restarted and i have put over 3 grand in the game
  389. [01:58:21] [BiTwA-PL] and you telling me i lose all that real cash cause of this
  390. [01:58:27] [BiTwA-PL] i aint gonna roll over like a dog
  391. [01:58:36] [~Clansy] You havent lost any RL cash
  392. [01:58:43] [runninryan123] this is bull.
  393. [01:59:13] [BiTwA-PL] i have
  394. [01:59:15] [hotchoccie] Police got involved in the habo hotel case for theft... invite them bitwa :p
  395. [01:59:17] [BiTwA-PL] i can prove it
  396. [01:59:39] [BiTwA-PL] i have the invoices from t.c its self
  397. [02:00:14] [hotchoccie] You donated...
  398. [02:00:21] [hotchoccie] Technically a difference
  399. [02:00:32] [BiTwA-PL] well if i go into paypal and scroll through the list
  400. [02:00:40] [BiTwA-PL] i bought a donator packs
  401. [02:00:46] [BiTwA-PL] thats an item
  402. [02:00:51] [hotchoccie] If you donated to a charity who got scammed, you wouldnt be any more rightful to aany cash than here..
  403. [02:01:09] [runninryan123] this isnt a charity XD
  404. [02:01:22] [hotchoccie] but its a donation not anything else
  405. [02:01:27] [hotchoccie] theres the issue
  406. [02:01:31] [hotchoccie] You dint buy anything
  407. [02:01:33] [BiTwA-PL] no
  408. [02:01:34] [hotchoccie] you donated
  409. [02:01:37] [BiTwA-PL] im buying a item
  410. [02:01:45] [BiTwA-PL] im not donateing to the game
  411. [02:01:48] [Callan] and you got your item
  412. [02:01:56] [BiTwA-PL] im buying a product to get me further ahead in game
  413. [02:01:58] [hotchoccie] A donator pack... a pack u get for donating
  414. [02:02:12] [runninryan123] 1.
  415. [02:02:12] [runninryan123] to acquire the possession of, or the right to, by paying or promising to pay an equivalent, esp. in money; purchase.
  416. [02:02:12] [BiTwA-PL] that donator pack gives you things
  417. [02:02:22] [hotchoccie] Im on your side here... but you cant use this to fight for u
  418. [02:02:22] [runninryan123] sounds like what the "donator pack" is ;)
  419. [02:02:41] [BiTwA-PL] i dont need to
  420. [02:03:02] [BiTwA-PL] if im out of pocket 3 grand whats 500 bucks to see a lwyer
  421. [02:03:02] [BiTwA-PL] see my options
  422. [02:03:02] [hotchoccie] Ive donated, and lost it... poker bugs FTL.. but its a donation not an item... technically, right?
  423. [02:03:20] [hotchoccie] Paypal themselves would be bette
  424. [02:03:25] [hotchoccie] better**
  425. [02:03:26] [hotchoccie] surely
  426. [02:03:43] [BiTwA-PL] clansy you can put that on record i will explore all avenues
  427. [02:03:57] [~Clansy] I can give you our lawyers number if you like
  428. [02:04:03] [~Clansy] you take whatever road you need to take
  429. [02:04:16] [hotchoccie] did u really spend £3k
  430. [02:04:17] [hotchoccie] jesus
  431. [02:04:23] [BiTwA-PL] if you could mail me country of them and such would be great
  432. [02:04:48] [~Clansy] I will be glad to :)
  433. [02:04:53] [BiTwA-PL] money isnt the issue for me
  434. [02:05:18] [~Clansy] If you are taking the lawyer route I assume you are done with me and I can move along correct?
  435. [02:05:24] [hotchoccie] Arent lawyers adding to your costs?
  436. [02:05:25] [BiTwA-PL] yes
  437. [02:05:44] [~Clansy] Right! You guys have a good rest of your night then
  438. [02:05:53] [hotchoccie] goodnight clansy :)
  439. [02:53:51] [@bl0ndie] Nw-Rambo
  440. [02:54:05] [@bl0ndie] were not starting all this again
  441. [02:54:20] [hotchoccie] but yes... you can
  442. [02:54:24] [Nw-Rambo] Im thinking of doing it to a well known scammer,will i get fed ?
  443. [02:54:28] ::: nick: (n00b2) is now known as (Two)
  444. [02:55:16] [Nw-Rambo] Yes no maybe ?
  445. [02:55:20] [Two] Nw-Rambo the dude that did do it, wasn't fedded so I'm assuming it's just a loophole
  446. [02:55:27] ::: quit: (Ghost) noez dont castrate him
  447. [02:55:33] [Two] that we have to put up with it
  448. [02:55:40] [Nw-Rambo] I dont want to assume,fed is a horrible horrible place
  449. [02:55:43] [Nw-Rambo] i need certainty.
  450. [02:57:01] [hotchoccie] <~Clansy> Its not faction theft when someone on the access list gives someone else their own cash
  451. [02:57:04] [Two] Again, he wasn't fedded I don't think you wiill
  452. [02:57:05] [hotchoccie] theres one quote for u
  453. [02:57:26] [hotchoccie] but you will be hated- i suspect if people find this guy he wont be popular
  454. [02:58:28] [Nw-Rambo] Choccie this guy is a scammer,society doesnt care for him :)
  455. [02:58:40] [hotchoccie] then go knocck yourself out :p
  456. [02:58:46] [Nw-Rambo] XD
  457. [02:58:50] ::: nick: (Hydro) is now known as (x_x)
  458. [02:59:12] [Nw-Rambo] what a horrible thing to say pft XD
  459. [03:00:15] [hotchoccie] :(
  460. [04:00:47] [BiTwA-PL] clansy
  461. [04:00:54] [BiTwA-PL] you get that mail
  462. [04:01:09] [~Clansy] yes and I answered
  463. [04:01:22] [BiTwA-PL] na he was 8 billion below what he had on list
  464. [04:01:40] [BiTwA-PL] even though it said he had 90 billion in faction he was minus 8 bill from start
  465. [04:01:50] [BiTwA-PL] so only 82 billion was his
  466. [04:02:06] [BiTwA-PL] i checked through our records
  467. [04:02:10] [~Clansy] BiTwA-PL with all due respect, you've told me I am a bad admin, had your cronies come in and tell me Im a bad human being and uneducated and they make more then me in RL, you threaten me with everything from quitting to lawyers
  468. [04:02:13] [~Clansy] File a report mate
  469. [04:02:15] [~Clansy] I'm going to bed
  470. [04:02:17] ::: nick: (Clansy) is now known as (xx)
  471. [04:02:26] [BiTwA-PL] wow
  472. [04:02:29] [@WickedPrincess] lol
  473. [04:03:02] [BiTwA-PL] i love this game so much
  474. [04:04:13] [BiTwA-PL] i need a id to report faction theft
  475. [04:04:28] ::: quit: (Plornt) Ping timeout
  476. [04:04:30] [BiTwA-PL] wp do i report valesh
  477. [04:04:49] [Nw-Rambo] BiTwA
  478. [04:04:50] [@WickedPrincess] im gonna be honest
  479. [04:04:51] [Nw-Rambo] she is right
  480. [04:04:58] [Nw-Rambo] you treat her like shit
  481. [04:05:02] [Nw-Rambo] youll get nothing,
  482. [04:05:05] [BiTwA-PL] look what they do
  483. [04:05:09] [@WickedPrincess] we would never be able to find all that cash
  484. [04:05:11] [Nw-Rambo] it doesnt matter
  485. [04:05:11] ::: join: (gunNrose|Away) (gunNrose@CBD87249.796AAA29.8B1C6937.IP)
  486. [04:05:13] [Nw-Rambo] being rude
  487. [04:05:14] [@WickedPrincess] its all over torn
  488. [04:05:16] [BiTwA-PL] everytime i have had a issue they <censored> me over
  489. [04:05:17] [Nw-Rambo] wont get you anywhere
  490. [04:05:31] ::: quit: (Urgh) Ping timeout
  491. [04:05:33] [Nw-Rambo] You said shit,will hurt her real life feelings
  492. [04:05:41] [BiTwA-PL] its one thing to play the game another to be a admin
  493. [04:05:41] [Nw-Rambo] this is a stupid little game at the end of the day
  494. [04:05:42] [@WickedPrincess] nah it dont Nw-Rambo
  495. [04:05:55] [@WickedPrincess] she doesnt loose sleep over ppl in this game
  496. [04:05:56] [runninryan123] WP it wouldnt be that hard. just do what happens when the bookie double paid.
  497. [04:05:58] [@WickedPrincess] none of us do
  498. [04:06:11] [@WickedPrincess] runninryan123 when did u become staff?
  499. [04:06:15] [@WickedPrincess] i never got that memo
  500. [04:06:16] [BiTwA-PL] thing i find funny
  501. [04:06:16] [@bl0ndie] :O
  502. [04:06:23] [BiTwA-PL] we cant get a name
  503. [04:06:24] [runninryan123] i thought i'd give a suggestion
  504. [04:06:33] [runninryan123] i can leave if that would be better
  505. [04:06:42] [BiTwA-PL] if its legal then why cant i get a name
  506. [04:06:45] [Nw-Rambo] either way,being rude is just showing how much of a pussy you are in real life :S because i sure as hell hope there not that rude to women in real life :O
  507. [04:06:54] ::: part: (runninryan123)
  508. [04:07:12] [BiTwA-PL] ive tryed to be nice i never got the respect in here
  509. [04:07:18] [BiTwA-PL] i got attitudes
  510. [04:07:23] [@bl0ndie] you get respect, by giving it
  511. [04:07:24] [@WickedPrincess] becuz u gave attitude
  512. [04:07:34] [BiTwA-PL] cause i get <censored> over
  513. [04:07:39] [BiTwA-PL] and dont get help
  514. [04:07:48] [@bl0ndie] ok, you really wanna watch your mouth now
  515. [04:07:53] [BiTwA-PL] what ever
  516. [04:07:55] [@bl0ndie] coz im about ready to ban you
  517. [04:07:57] [@WickedPrincess] not our problem on who has access to your faction cash
  518. [04:07:58] [BiTwA-PL] do it
  519. [04:08:02] [Nw-Rambo] BiTwA,Your a nice guy and all i like you...But chill this is a game,time will tell ill have a few words and find out who it was.
  520. [04:08:03] [BiTwA-PL] its a game
  521. [04:08:09] [@WickedPrincess] hold up
  522. [04:08:13] [@WickedPrincess] exactly BiTwA-PL its a game
  523. [04:08:14] [BiTwA-PL] 3 thousand real life cash gone
  524. [04:08:18] [@WickedPrincess] and ur acting like its real life
  525. [04:08:20] [@bl0ndie] no
  526. [04:08:24] [BiTwA-PL] 3 thousand dollars
  527. [04:08:26] [BiTwA-PL] ill say it again
  528. [04:08:28] [@WickedPrincess] ive spent more
  529. [04:08:29] [@bl0ndie] you had your donator packs for that cash
  530. [04:08:33] [BiTwA-PL] i got paypal invoices
  531. [04:08:33] [@WickedPrincess] whats your point?
  532. [04:08:37] [@bl0ndie] read DONATOR packs
  533. [04:08:38] [Guest] [04:05:55] [@WickedPrincess] she doesnt loose sleep over ppl in this game <== =Pfft lies ===> [20:53:50] [~Clansy] 16 hours with no drama from you! ===> [20:54:06] [~Clansy] I slept the whole fkn night!
  534. [04:08:39] [Guest] xD
  535. [04:08:41] [@bl0ndie] you DONATE
  536. [04:08:48] [BiTwA-PL] i blew 3 thousand cash for admin to play black and white
  537. [04:08:53] [BiTwA-PL] no i bought a item
  538. [04:08:55] [@bl0ndie] lol plornt
  539. [04:08:57] [@bl0ndie] shup
  540. [04:08:59] [BiTwA-PL] what ever blondie
  541. [04:09:00] ::: quit: (gunNrose) Ping timeout
  542. [04:09:08] [BiTwA-PL] i lost real cash
  543. [04:09:20] [@bl0ndie] ok shush now
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