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- BlueKirby> Rising_Dusk
- <BlueKirby> just the person i wanted to see
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- <Rising_Dusk> Hi.
- <BlueKirby> as you may or may not have seen, i've put the smogon po server back up, but it's currently missing the old database and its scripts
- <BlueKirby> i was hoping you could help me there
- <BlueKirby> having to rely on another server isn't any good, even though it was very nice of them to help out
- <Rising_Dusk> Since everyone seems to know the score here, I'm not going to beat around the bush.
- <Rising_Dusk> I am not going to do anything until Doug tells me he thinks I should.
- <BlueKirby> you say that as if i'm the enemy, as if everyone here is the enemy
- <BlueKirby> holding the server hostage isn't helping anyone...
- <Rising_Dusk> I'm not holding anything hostage.
- <BlueKirby> i'm not asking you to do any work, i can handle everything
- <Rising_Dusk> I am holding onto the things I worked on.
- <Rising_Dusk> Until such time as I feel I can contribute again.
- <Rising_Dusk> This is exactly the same thing Doug is and was doing.
- <BlueKirby> even if that's true, you didn't "work on" the user database that holds all their ratings
- <BlueKirby> not that i agree with that mindset to begin with
- <Rising_Dusk> Ah, you want the userdb?
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- <Rising_Dusk> I can do that.
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- <BlueKirby> yeah, it's sqlite right?
- <Rising_Dusk> Yep.
- <BlueKirby> i should be able to slot it right in
- <Rising_Dusk> Yes, you should.
- <BlueKirby> then at least people can ladder
- <Rising_Dusk> Heh the password was changed.
- <Rising_Dusk> I can't just put the db in myself.
- <Rising_Dusk> Guess that's why it was changed.
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- <BlueKirby> yeah, for now i'll have to slot it back in
- <BlueKirby> i mean i'd also like to slot the scripts back in too, but it seems that isn't happening right away
- <Rising_Dusk> Heh.
- <Rising_Dusk> Amusing.
- <BlueKirby> i've gotta say i'm not a big fan of the "taking my ball and going home" stuff though
- <Rising_Dusk> What do you do for a living, BK?
- <BlueKirby> well i'm a student primarily, but i do computer troubleshooting and repairs as a job
- <Rising_Dusk> Ah, I see.
- <Rising_Dusk> I'm a physicist, where things like what happens to this site are an unfortunately regular occurrence.
- <Rising_Dusk> All you ever have as someone in my field is what you, yourself, worked on and have the rights to.
- <Rising_Dusk> And you have to hold onto them for dear life if you want anything to change in your favor.
- <BlueKirby> we're not physicists here though
- <Rising_Dusk> Especially when the big guy can just say "Fuck you"
- <Rising_Dusk> No but the mentality carries over.
- <Rising_Dusk> Smogon is a business, whether you'll admit to it or not.
- <BlueKirby> it shouldn't, like i said, i'm not the enemy
- <Rising_Dusk> I'm not accusing you of being an enemy.
- <Rising_Dusk> I am simply serving my personal morals the best I can.
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- <Rising_Dusk> I'm sorry—genuinely sorry—if that hurts others on this site.
- <BlueKirby> i like you, but this isn't going to work in your favour
- <Rising_Dusk> But until such point where I can feel as though I'm not being used and abused by this website, I am keeping my ball at home where I know it's safe.
- <Rising_Dusk> I don't expect it to.
- <twash> depends how seriously you want to take it, some of us take it as a hobby
- <BlueKirby> maybe it does in your line of work, but you're not endearing yourself here
- <Rising_Dusk> If people hate me because of it, that's their prerogative.
- <Rising_Dusk> And I accept that.
- <Rising_Dusk> No one really liked me anyway.
- <Rising_Dusk> Or hell, treated me with any serious respect to begin with.
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- <Rising_Dusk> I got more "fuck you for stopping the server" PMs than "hey, what's wrong bro?" PMs.
- <Rising_Dusk> By a fucking landslide.
- <capefeather> D:
- <Rising_Dusk> I didn't stop the server, ffs.
- <Rising_Dusk> It crashed after I said "to hell with it"
- <Rising_Dusk> And that was that.
- <BlueKirby> yeah i know, and i get that
- <BlueKirby> but you're trying to make yourself indispensable in the worst of ways
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- <Rising_Dusk> I am not indispensable.
- <Rising_Dusk> I am aware of that.
- <Rising_Dusk> Smogon lives without Rising_Dusk, I've always known that.
- <comatt6> wait rd what's going on?
- <Rising_Dusk> I am trying to use my position as a means to put Smogon on better ground, alongside Doug, while simultaneously making me feel /comfortable/ by contributing.
- <BlueKirby> you don't think i'm trying to do the same?
- <Rising_Dusk> No, you are pretty clearly just trying to maintain the status quo and make everyone feel double rainbow happy about it, I'm sorry to say.
- <BlueKirby> wrong
- <BlueKirby> i just don't think denying people functionality on a simulator is changing a damn thing here
- <Rising_Dusk> Doug thinks differently.
- <Rising_Dusk> I spoke to Doug for hours about this, and he was the one who encouraged me into it.
- <BlueKirby> then i'm sorry to say doug is completely wrong
- <twash> it would be nice if that was explained to people though
- <BlueKirby> this under the table crap isn't helping anyone
- <Rising_Dusk> That's why I am being forward about it now.
- <BlueKirby> all you're capable of doing here is costing me a bit of time
- <BlueKirby> the scripts can be made again, but it seems pointless to do that
- <BlueKirby> the server isn't where the status quo fight can be won
- <Rising_Dusk> I acknowledge that I am replaceable.
- <Rising_Dusk> I also acknowledge that you will personally replace both Doug and I just to keep things rolling.
- <BlueKirby> i'm not trying to replace you
- <Rising_Dusk> No, but you know that you will.
- <BlueKirby> i'm just doing what you won't, i'd prefer that you did it again but here we are
- <Rising_Dusk> That's fine. If that's the solution that Smogon wants, then so be it.
- <BlueKirby> the stuff that's making you feel uncomfortable is going to change, you're just not in on the solution anymore because you're so stubborn about it
- <Rising_Dusk> Is it?
- <Rising_Dusk> Show me one sign that it's going to change.
- <BlueKirby> you think i'd be here if it wasn't?
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- <Rising_Dusk> You're being called in as a replacement, man. >.<
- <BlueKirby> i wasn't called in at all
- <BlueKirby> i was the one that started all this
- <Rising_Dusk> Oh yeah, you volunteered to be the replacement and he graciously accepted it.
- <Rising_Dusk> I genuinely wish that you could see where I am coming from, man.
- <BlueKirby> i do, i get it
- <BlueKirby> you're just fighting for it all wrong
- <Rising_Dusk> Then what would you suggest?
- <Rising_Dusk> That I go back to doing my job and what... Then what?
- <BlueKirby> what you're doing isn't "not doing your job"
- <twash> how about doing what you want to do instead of doing what you feel obliged to do
- <BlueKirby> you didn't leave things as they were
- <BlueKirby> you've taken what you'd already done with you
- <BlueKirby> that's very different
- <Rising_Dusk> I never had anything that super did when I took over the server.
- <Rising_Dusk> I used my CAP server scripts.
- <Rising_Dusk> That was the whole reason I was asked to take it over.
- <Rising_Dusk> I did not build off of previous work for this.
- <BlueKirby> it's the equivalent is doug signing in and going "you know what, i'm just gonna take my damage calculator down"
- <Rising_Dusk> And if this conversation weren't taking so much time typing, I'd get you the db. :P
- <BlueKirby> it isn't going on strike
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- <BlueKirby> it's holding stuff you've already submitted hostage
- <BlueKirby> it would've been like me trying to take all the articles i'd written with me
- Rising_Dusk> I can see where you're coming from, but I don't think it's quite as you portray it.
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- <BlueKirby> how do you see it then?
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- <Rising_Dusk> The scripts are something I constantly developed, and could have replaced with base functionality at any time. If anything, they were never a finished product or something I'd already given people, they were something I let people test on the SU server as I further worked on them.
- <Rising_Dusk> The server loses little without them.
- <Rising_Dusk> Quite frankly.
- <Rising_Dusk> Heck, I can link you to base functionality if you want.
- <Rising_Dusk> It's on the PO website.
- <Rising_Dusk> Although it really should come packaged with the server binaries.
- <BlueKirby> i didn't think i'd have to settle for that, but it looks like for now i am
- <BlueKirby> it's a shame though, this isn't helping your cause at all
- <Rising_Dusk> Look.
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- <Rising_Dusk> :/
- <BlueKirby> we could argue about this for ages, but i'll just take that db and put in some basic scripts
- <Rising_Dusk> Let me at the least talk to Doug about this.
- <BlueKirby> what you choose to do from that point is your own prerogative
- <Rising_Dusk> I haven't been able to meet with him since chaos actually posted.
- <BlueKirby> chaos' last post isn't even close to the current situation
- <Rising_Dusk> I don't know anything beyond your latest post in that thread.
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- <BlueKirby> like i said, it's gone beyond that thread because of the stubbornness that's been displayed
- <Rising_Dusk> And quite frankly, that means that I really have no idea what has happened since then, if anything.
- <Rising_Dusk> Exactly.
- <Rising_Dusk> Well then what the hell is/has happening/happened?
- <Rising_Dusk> If I don't know any of that, how am I expected to be on the same page as you when you're trying to convince me of something?
- <Rising_Dusk> It's entirely possible that the situation has been resolved entirely and I'm living in 3 weeks ago.
- <Rising_Dusk> But if no one tells me otherwise, how would I know?
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- <BlueKirby> i didn't expect you to be on the same page, chaos hasn't spoken to you yet
- <Rising_Dusk> Like I said, I haven't been able to speak to Doug due to our work schedules, and he's the only one that fills me in on this stuff.
- <BlueKirby> but i wasn't babbling about things changing for no reason
- <Rising_Dusk> Well then just hold your horses, BK. Let me talk to Doug and if things really have changed, I'll hook the server up.
- <BlueKirby> i'm still going to need that user db though
- <BlueKirby> the server is up right now and people are wondering where their points are
- <Rising_Dusk> Alright, let me get that to you first.
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