01[13:17] <@Kentel> I guess we'll have to start.
01[13:17] <@Kentel> We can include more people and fill them in if they show up.
[13:17] <@Styper> aLRIGHT
[13:17] <@Styper> Alright*
01[13:18] <@Kentel> Chris_Carnage
01[13:18] <@Kentel> Floppy
[13:18] <@Chris_Carnage> yep
01[13:18] <@Kentel> We ready to start?
[13:18] <@Chris_Carnage> ready :)
[13:18] <@Styper> Whos is letstwistagain?
01[13:19] <@Kentel> President of Italy.
[13:19] <@Styper> Oh, ok
01[13:19] <@Kentel> letswistagain|away: pinging if you're here.
[13:20] <@Chris_Carnage> so main topic for today is trade in RM?
01[13:20] <@Kentel> Yeah.
01[13:21] <@Kentel> We were going to discuss vGreece joining too, but not enough people really showed up.
[13:21] <@Chris_Carnage> well, for the record I would welcome greece
[13:21] <@Chris_Carnage> but i guess the ballot can be done via PM instead
01[13:21] <@Kentel> Syper, how'd you feel?
01[13:21] <@Kentel> Yeah, that's what we'll have to do.
[13:22] <@Styper> I have no issue with them joining aswell
[13:22] <@Styper> Problem is there's like only a bunch of greeks
01[13:22] <@Kentel> They have a bunch of actives.
01[13:22] <@Kentel> Which is good.
01[13:23] <@Kentel> Their president is telling me right now that they have a lot of products to export, if we'd like them.
[13:23] <@Styper> Yeah, Metralla is a nice guy and he's active, but I really don't know any other greeks
01[13:24] <@Kentel> Yeah, he tells me that they are mostly isolated.
[13:24] <@Chris_Carnage> i think it is important that we develop some good relationships in europe
[13:24] <@Chris_Carnage> as most of our members are not european
01[13:24] <@Kentel> Yeah, right now all we really have is Italy.
[13:24] <@Chris_Carnage> except italy
01[13:24] <@Kentel> Germany is kind of friendly, but we can't count on them.
[13:24] <@Chris_Carnage> and that is likely where a lot of action will be when war is started
[13:25] <@Styper> Which could be a pain in the future, I guess the only problem would be finding some more active greeks that are really into the game politics and such
[13:25] <@Chris_Carnage> just a thought - i talk with the MoD of croatia regularly
[13:26] <@Chris_Carnage> and he tells me they are neutral
[13:26] <@Chris_Carnage> despite signing FUN
01[13:26] <@Kentel> Which is great news.
[13:26] <@Chris_Carnage> they are strong, a lot of actives
[13:26] <@Chris_Carnage> could be a good candidate
[13:27] <@Chris_Carnage> just need to be very careful about their other friendships
01[13:27] <@Kentel> If we got Croatia, we would be a major player.
[13:27] <@Styper> Idk, someone that joins with Jofroi and his people is not very trustworthy
01[13:27] <@Kentel> Exactly.
01[13:27] <@Kentel> I wouldn't add Croatia until they fought on our side for a bit.
[13:28] <@Styper> Yeah, I agree
[13:28] <@Chris_Carnage> we know for sure that they will be against russia because of their alliance with serbia
[13:28] <@Styper> I never did like the Russians very much
01[13:29] <@Kentel> I don't think anyone likes Russia or Poland.
[13:29] <@Styper> To me it feels like they are still stuck in time, with orthodoxy and comunism
[13:29] <@Chris_Carnage> unlike the progressive, democratic socialists of vCanadiastan :P
[13:30] <@Chris_Carnage> but no, I think we are the 3rd way
[13:30] <@Chris_Carnage> and need to provide balance against those 2 powers
[13:30] <@Chris_Carnage> the fact they are both unpopular is in our favour
01[13:31] <@Kentel> Yeah.
[13:31] <@Styper> Yes, and they probably would never make an alliance together
[13:31] <@Styper> Which is even better
[13:31] <@Chris_Carnage> lol - if they did......
[13:32] <@Chris_Carnage> so obviously i've not said anything about vnova to anyone but if you want to talk to croatia I think they'd be open
[13:32] <@Styper> Also, in my opinion people that ally with Russia or Poland only put up with them because they have alot of players
[13:32] <@Styper> I wouldn't do that for now
[13:32] <@Chris_Carnage> that's right, it's self-preservation alliances
[13:33] <@Styper> We need to see what Croatia will do in the near future
01[13:33] <@Kentel> I think once we go public and get some victories, people will see that we have strength and consider joining us.
[13:33] <@Chris_Carnage> i agree, i don't trust them enough
[13:33] <@Chris_Carnage> but i think we should be open & friendly toward them
[13:33] <@Chris_Carnage> *continue to be
[13:34] <@Styper> Yes, would be a wise choice
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[13:35] <@emeaux> iternet has been out sorry
[13:35] <@Chris_Carnage> hey emeaux o/
[13:36] <@Styper> Hello
[13:36] <@emeaux> hey what I miss
[13:36] <@emeaux> im so sorry
[13:36] <@Styper> We were discussing about vCroatia
[13:36] <@emeaux> router has been down all morning
[13:36] <@Chris_Carnage> also vGreece, not enough people to vote for their membership so we'll vote by PM
[13:37] <@Chris_Carnage> also agreed that vUS will send vCan lots of vBux immediately so get to work :P
[13:38] <@Styper> Yes I voted in favor :P
01[13:38] <@Kentel> Haha.
03[13:38] * Mr-X_vUSA_MoFA (~Forest_ma@62DDED8E.866FD600.A494A302.IP) has joined #vnova
01[13:38] <@Kentel> Hey you two.
[13:38] <Mr-X_vUSA_MoFA> hi to all
[13:38] <@Styper> Hello there
[13:38] <@Chris_Carnage> hi there
01[13:39] <@Kentel> emeaux, is the US still open to swapping New Zealand through/letting us rent a useless and crappy region?
[13:40] <@Styper> Doesn't NZ have only 2 regions?
[13:40] <@emeaux> I see no reason why not, considering how many we have
[13:40] <@Chris_Carnage> yes, that number of regions is a curse
[13:40] <Mr-X_vUSA_MoFA>  /chanserv getkey #vnova
01[13:41] <@Kentel> Yeah, we only have two regions.
01[13:41] <@Kentel> We'll have a few more after the AUSTR invasion, though.
[13:41] <@emeaux> you are in already Mr-x
[13:41] <@Chris_Carnage> vNZ and vUSA are at opposite ends of the region spectrum
[13:41] <@emeaux> do we know their full allies
[13:41] <@emeaux> I know Germany and they want the vUS
[13:41] <@Chris_Carnage> croatia you mean?
[13:42] <@Chris_Carnage> or greece?
[13:42] <@emeaux> no Germany pmed me about it too
[13:42] <@emeaux> AUSTR
[13:42] <@emeaux>  sorry
[13:42] <@Chris_Carnage> oh, ok
[13:42] <@Chris_Carnage> idk
01[13:42] <@Kentel> I only know of Germany and Latvia.
01[13:42] <@Kentel> And Latvia is essentially useless these days.
01[13:42] <@Kentel> Especially since Jofroi left.
[13:43] <Mr-X_vUSA_MoFA> i know that was ment for you only - my mistake
[13:43] <Mr-X_vUSA_MoFA> ;)
[13:43] <@Styper> He's less active but I guess he still has his fingers in Latvia politics
[13:43] <@Chris_Carnage> japan?
01[13:43] <@Kentel> Japan is fine.
01[13:44] <@Kentel> NZ is building trade relationships with them right now.
01[13:44] <@Kentel> Part of our plan. :P
[13:44] <@Chris_Carnage> good - i heard something a while back that japan and AUSTR were allies
[13:44] <@Chris_Carnage> but not concrete
01[13:44] <@Kentel> They were friendly, but it's not so much anymore.
[13:44] <@emeaux> well AUSTR is callin those in now
[13:45] <@Styper> Yes, especially because they can't take down NZ alone
[13:45] <@Chris_Carnage> i g2g in 15 mins - should we talk resources, or not enough people?
[13:45] <@Styper> I don't trust the Japanese too much
01[13:46] <@Kentel> We aren't going to invite Japan into the alliance.
01[13:46] <@Kentel> They are way too useless.
01[13:46] <@Kentel> Chris, how much money does Canada have?
[13:46] <@Chris_Carnage> 286 vbux, ~10K CAD
[13:46] <@Chris_Carnage> in treasury
[13:47] <@Chris_Carnage> :(
01[13:48] <@Kentel> So, still pretty far away from military base. :(
[13:48] <@Styper> Just a sidenote, the russians wanted to make a trade agreement with Brazil this past week
[13:49] <@Chris_Carnage> no congress vbux for past 4 months, and now no levelling means no vbux on the market for CAD
[13:49] <@Chris_Carnage> we can only rely on trade to generate vbux now
01[13:49] <@Kentel> That sucks.
[13:50] <@Chris_Carnage> which is why i'm keen to talk resources
[13:50] <@Styper> I guess the VBX awards are ok now, at least when I became president I got it
01[13:50] <@Kentel> Let's talk resources before Chris has to leave.
01[13:50] <@Kentel> Chris, what does Canada have a surplus of?
[13:50] <@Chris_Carnage> same, but i have never received congress vbux award since i joined the game and i've been in congress every month :(
[13:50] <Mr-X_vUSA_MoFA> leveling works fine here too! :D
[13:50] <@Chris_Carnage> we have chems and iron for a start
[13:51] <@Chris_Carnage> chems is our highest resource
[13:51] <@Chris_Carnage> we have high regions for everything except cotton
[13:51] <@Chris_Carnage> and government companies in all resources except cotton, oil
[13:51] <@Styper> Yeah, vCanada was lucky
[13:51] <@Chris_Carnage> and coal
[13:52] <@Chris_Carnage> we were
01[13:52] <@Kentel> Well Chris, I'm thinking Canada could provide Arg/Brazil chemicals.
[13:52] <@Chris_Carnage> but we haven't got the population to take full advantage
01[13:52] <@Kentel> Since that's an important resource that they are both lacking.
[13:52] <@Chris_Carnage> i would be happy with that, i want to focus on building 1 industry to start with
01[13:53] <@Kentel> Work with you, Styper?
01[13:53] <@Kentel> At least until we can get Arg/Bra a chem region?
[13:54] <@Styper> Yes, that would be great
[13:54] <@Styper> Arg/Bra/Cuba without chem was a pain in the ass
03[13:54] * Mr-X_vUSA_MoFA is now known as Mr-X
01[13:54] <@Kentel> Do we know when Xav is actually going to start making the cap actually work in game?
[13:54] <@Styper> vCuba is pretty much useless for us now
[13:55] <@Styper> he said it would be activated yesterday
[13:55] <@Styper> But Idk if it was
[13:55] <@Chris_Carnage> styper, do you have any idea of daily demand?
[13:55] <@Chris_Carnage> for chems?
01[13:55] <@Kentel> I'll go check and see right now.
[13:56] <@Styper> No chris, sorry, I'll look into that until tomorrow
[13:56] <@Chris_Carnage> np
[13:56] <@Chris_Carnage> i'll also check in with Lord_Matias re Argentina
[13:57] <@Styper> Would you swap with Brazil in the future so we can both get cotton and chems?
[13:58] <@Chris_Carnage> in future i'd definitely consider it
[13:58] <@Styper> We have a high region of cotton that is deserted
[13:58] <@Chris_Carnage> right now we don't have the need for cotton, or the workers to produce it
[13:58] <@Chris_Carnage> which is why i want to focus on 1 major export industry
01[13:58] <@Kentel> NZ has way, way too much cotton.
[13:58] <@Styper> Yes, but with bandages you'll need it
[13:58] <@emeaux> well we have lots of it
01[13:59] <@Kentel> Nova has a ton of Cotton.
[13:59] <Mr-X> vUSA cotton-land  Xd
[13:59] <Mr-X> XD
[13:59] <@Chris_Carnage> i think our first task is to ensure that the iron and chemicals supply for all countries is met
[13:59] <@Chris_Carnage> they are the key strategic resources right now
01[14:00] <@Kentel> And possibly oil, if tanks/planes require them to function.
[14:00] <@Chris_Carnage> ah, yeah
[14:00] <@Styper> True
[14:00] <@Chris_Carnage> fuel i guess
[14:00] <@Chris_Carnage> oil -> fuel
01[14:01] <@Kentel> YEah.
01[14:01] <@Kentel> Yeah*
01[14:01] <@Kentel> So, where are we thinking about invading besides AUSTR?
01[14:02] <@Kentel> Is Spain still on the table, even though it's been cast out by Poland?
[14:02] <@Chris_Carnage> i was wondering about UK? It would give us a launching pad into europe and would be an easy target
[14:03] <@Chris_Carnage> says the man with no MB :P
01[14:03] <@Kentel> :P
01[14:03] <@Kentel> That would be the only problem.
01[14:03] <@Kentel> They don't have a MB.
[14:03] <@Styper> Well, they got chemicals and we don't and since they have a MB I would definetly say they are worth invading
01[14:03] <@Kentel> So we can't really attack.
[14:03] <@emeaux> my intel says they are open to any alliance
01[14:03] <@Kentel> emeaux: UK or Spain?
[14:03] <@emeaux> Spain
[14:04] <@Styper> meaning they are alone
01[14:04] <@Kentel> The problem is: without Spain, we don't have much of a goal.
01[14:04] <@Kentel> The only real goal we'd have is defending Grece.
01[14:04] <@Kentel> Greece*
[14:05] <@emeaux> well they have no MB right?
[14:05] <@Styper> Spain does, greece doesn't
[14:05] <@Chris_Carnage> i g2g as it is now 6am here
[14:06] <@Chris_Carnage> i'll catch you later
[14:06] <@Styper> Cya Chris
01[14:06] <@Kentel> Bye Chri.
01[14:06] <@Kentel> Chris*
[14:06] <@Chris_Carnage> i'll catch you and LM later re chems
[14:06] <@Chris_Carnage> ty kentel :D
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01[14:06] <@Kentel> Greece doesn't, but they will soonish.
[14:07] <@Styper> Well they have the money for it
01[14:07] <@Kentel> No they don't.
01[14:07] <@Kentel> Only have 341 VBX
[14:08] <@Styper> Oh crap, forgot MB was 500
01[14:08] <@Kentel> Yeah. :/
[14:09] <@Styper> I gtg too
01[14:09] <@Kentel> Later.
[14:09] <@Styper> Gotta travel back home
[14:09] <@Styper> Cya.