4chan Hazbin Hotel story - talk about charlie past

from /hhg/ - Hazbin Hotel #302
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From the past thread. part 1.
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>did anyone talk about charlie past?... I mean I bet she was friends with rich and powerful demons before the whole "I want to redeemed sinners" thing happen.
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part 2.
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>I think things started to break down between her and Helsa in high school, with her hooking up with Sevathian... A relationship which went pear-shaped, and strained the two family's relationship.
>Had politics not been involved, it would've been solved more level-headedly, but all the prestigial faffing about on the parents' part >drove Helsa and Charlie away, even before the incident that led to Charlie's and Seviathan's break-up.

>I'd also like to think that it's actually Charlie who's holding most of the grudge here, and while Helsa would like to get back at her, she'd just as easily forget about Charlie and the whole incident.
>There's something about Charlie's mannerisms that tell me that she inherited that pettiness from her father, and is also somewhat >paranoid about her own grudges - she took a crack at Helsa during her song (for no reason at all), and she was willing to get into a >catfight with a demon-form Katie Killjoy, rather than using her own (which she briefly showed up during her song) to put her in her >place, like her father probably told her with the whole "take shit from no demon!" spiel.
>Childishness, naivety and immaturity may be her greatest flaws, and even if she's coming out of her shell, she's still a sheltered >royal, which is what contrasts her with the more grounded Vaggie and street-wise Angel.

>As for Helsa, well...
>So long as Charlie's there to remind her of, well, herself and their grudge, she'll try to find ways to undermine her, but wouldn't be >as petty or ineffective.
>No "throw shit against the wall, and see what sticks" - she'll let her anger brew for some time, find a point of weakness, and go in >with a swift blow, possibly not even to destroy Charlie's whole operation, just to set her back well enough for everyone to see who's on top...

>...Only for Charlie to explode on her with a seemingly unreasonable amount of anger.
>(Well, unreasonable for her - reasonable for a neurosis-driven Charlie).
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part 3.
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>I think this makes a lot of sense. We've touched on this briefly before, but Charlie has got to be just a little bit spoiled. She's the daughter of Hell's monarch. Even if she's now learning firsthand how to fend for herself (the hotel is a dump on the inside) and managing to not be a bitch about it, she spent at least some portion of her life eating honey with a silver spoon while servants waited on her every need.
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>It's not so much her being spoiled as her inheriting (or learning) some of her father's negative traits, such as pettiness and paranoia.
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that all, hope you guys can add more onto this
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Well, alternatively to her being spoiled, she might look back on her super privileged childhood with shame. She might be insecure about the idea that she was a bratty, stereotypical pampered princess when she was young. It'd be interesting if she met with one of the servants who took care of her when she was little and was worried that they resented her for having been a bad master.
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It's very possible that her friendship (and eventual relationship) with Vaggie was what set her off on this whole idea of Redemption.
Economically, the two are literally a Prince(ss) and a Pauper, with the added fact that while Charlie probably didn't witness much of the violence that occurs in Hell (or didn't mind it too much, because it was always something that was "away" from her), Vaggie probably suffered greatly from her country turning into a warzone, and was personally affected by the aftermath as well.
So, not only were the two polar opposites in terms of finances and social status, their home is also similar in it's war-thorn nature, where one of them is sheltered from it, while the other had to face reality.
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Is it possible that Charlie initially tried to woo Vaggie by flaunting her status and then realized she was actually completely blowing it by trying to use "I'm the princess of hell" as a way to get laid?
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I think it went a little something like this:
>Charlie saw/met Vaggie somewhere
>decided to talk to her, the two becoming friends outside of Charlie's own friend group (Helsa, Seviathan, maybe Octavia)
>while Vaggie had no other friends, she stuck with Charlie because she genuinely enjoyed her company
>Charlie wasn't happy with Vaggie's more subdued (but, unknown to her, genuine) behavior around her, thinking she was boring the moth girl
>went out of her way once to show off the fact that she's the Princess of Hell, and through her, Vaggie could do and have whatever she wants
>...only for the Latina to calmly (and somewhat bemusedly) tell her that she KNEW she was the Princess of Hell (Charlie's obviously a public figure), but she didn't became friends with her because of this
>this estranged the two, as Vaggie felt that Charlie thought she was that clueless or shallow, while Charlie couldn't understand why Vaggie wouldn't be impressed with her after the whole show she put on
>the two eventually reconciled, but had a serious talk about sinners and how people like Vaggie see Hell, which was an eye-opener for Charlie, and she eagerly took Vaggie to introduce her to her other friends...
>...only for them to reject Vaggie and ridicule and question Charlie about even associating with her, driving her to tears, only for Vaggie to stand up to her (and then being accused of using Charlie as a "meal ticked" by a recently dumped Seviathan, leading to a fight, and Charlie's fall from her own social circle, and wholesale abandonment of friends who didn't actually reject her and Vaggie like the Van Eldritchs did (like Octavia), which also set off Charlie on a lonely path of activism, only aided by her friend, then lover, then partner Vaggie, while everyone that once enjoyed her company (baring a few) had abandoned her, either out of shallow pettiness, or because they genuinely thought she betrayed them

She's effectively a half-pariah, neither loved nor loathed.
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It would be pretty neat if what initially started Charlie on her redemption project was having gone through a redemption arc of her own. Going from a genuinely kind but still sheltered and somewhat clueless princess to someone with a better understanding of the troubles of others and a more active desire to help
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Exactly.
And it all lines up - as royalty, Charlie may not realize what solidarity is, but she has a form of substitute for it: hedonism, in the Ancient Greek sense - the philosophy that "whatever is good for me is good for the others".
She wishes to share her own enlightenment, only to be rebuffed for her naivety and breaching of infernal social standards.
In time, she would learn how not only to dote, but also emphasize with those under her care, but at the start, all she had was this starry-eyed revelation that began to push her out of her own bubble.
It was the start of her own path toward redemption.

However, I hope we'll learn more that were caught in the current of this great move, like Helsa, and those, who were pushed aside (like Octavia, potentially).
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We've talked about Charlie's and Helsa's relationship (hell, even wrote stories about it!), but Octavia was only discussed alongside a throw-away idea of anon being born as Charlie's twin brother.

Without any anon presence, how did Charlie's decision and alienation affect Octavia (provided they were friends to begin with)? And how would she, a born demon, take the whole idea of redemption?
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>And how would she, a born demon, take the whole idea of redemption?

I think that its possible that Hell's nobility in particular would be very much OPPOSED to the idea of redeeming mortal souls, since fewer sinners down in Hell means fewer subjects for them to boss around.
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Yeah, but she's probably not wholly into the "ruling" aspect of her heritage yet - that, I believe, would be Stolas's main complaint.

I was thinking of what kind of message Charlie's sudden obsession with Heaven would send towards the demons who have no connection to it (or Sinners), unlike her, who has a (formerly) human mother, and THE fallen angel for a father?
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Well we've touched upon the idea of both Lucifer and Lilith having a serious bone to pick with Heaven themselves.

I think native-born demons would probably find Charlie's fascination with it a little bit creepy or upsetting, since the reward of Heaven has always been closed off to them and the only encounters they presumably have with it are the warrior angels who come down every year to slice up a big chunk of their population. To them it's like someone going around telling them about how great they'll have it if they go wandering into a hungry bear's den.
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Yeah.
I wonder if Octavia would take it personally, considering she may have been the neutral party in Charlie and Helsa's developing feud...

(also, on an unrelated note, because how their beaks and mouths were designed, both Stolas and Octavia look kinda like frogmouths, rather than owls)