Mabus and the Republic of Gilead

1:35:07 PM+RachelThompsonMabus, are you satisfied with the rules found here: http://dalnetdebates.com/rules.html
1:35:19 PM@Mabusrachel... very much
1:35:33 PM+RachelThompsonMabus, that's good to hear.
1:36:06 PM+RachelThompsonI noticed there is no notion of 'akick' which one of your operators was leveraging yesterday.
1:36:31 PM+RachelThompsonI thought this could be a good coachable moment for that operator.
1:36:33 PM@Mabusrachel... as i have told you many times now.... if you have any issues with any ops, or the rules, see me about it in PRIVATE
1:36:46 PM@Mabusone more word in public about it and i will remove you
1:36:57 PM@Mabusthats the teachable moment here
1:37:08 PM+RachelThompsonMabus, that's an interesting communication on your part.
1:37:16 PM@Mabusglad you are interested
1:37:26 PM+RachelThompsonYou're a bad person in some important ways.
1:37:28 PM Ignoring Mabus!*@*
1:37:36 PM+RachelThompsonI went ahead and put you on ignore, Mabus, as I find you unethical.
1:39:15 PM Stopped ignoring Mabus!*@*
1:39:38 PM+RachelThompsonMabus, I decided to join #debate to continue this conversation there.

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1:39:08 PMⓘ Mabus set mode +v RachelThompson
1:39:11 PM+RachelThompsonMabus, would you like to continue our conversation here.
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1:40:09 PM@Mabusif you have anything to say to me about an op or rule.. see me in private
1:40:12 PMⓘ Mabus set mode +v sardaukar
1:40:22 PM+RachelThompsonMabus, what is the point of this room, then?
1:41:18 PM+RachelThompsonhttp://dalnetdebates.com/rules.html
1:41:27 PM+RachelThompson19) Users are encouraged to inquire as to the reason for an op ban or mute, and the Ops are Required to explain the reason to the user. All Ops must be publicly accountable for their actions and must make themselves available to the users to explain the rationale for their actions
1:41:38 PM+RachelThompsonYour request for private seems to be incompatible with rule 19.
1:41:48 PM+RachelThompson1:35:07 PM+RachelThompsonMabus, are you satisfied with the rules found here: http://dalnetdebates.com/rules.html
1:41:48 PM+RachelThompson1:35:19 PM@Mabusrachel... very much
1:42:37 PM+RachelThompsonMabus, it appears you're not longer available for discussion.
1:42:41 PM@Mabusrachel... i am removing you from this channel now. again, i encourage you to see me, in private with any issues you have
1:42:58 PM@Mabusi also suggest you look up the word private in a dictionary, as you don't seem to understand that word
1:43:04 PMⓘ Mabus set mode +b *!*@c-24-23-13-97.hsd1.ca.comcast.net
1:43:07 PM× You have been kicked by Mabus (Mabus)

...in private...

1:43:30 PMRachelThompson Mabus , what is the point of #debate?
1:44:56 PMMabus the point of #Debate is to resolve channel issues amicably out of the main channel
1:45:11 PMRachelThompson Mabus , I am trying to resolve a channel issue amicably.
1:45:22 PMMabus but you have abandoned your right to do that with your repeated use of "questions" about ops or rules to troll the channel
1:45:31 PMMabus so now you will come to me with issues in private
1:45:54 PMRachelThompson Mabus , by repeated are you referencing the single time I've engaged you in #debate about this issue?
1:46:01 PMRachelThompson In which you stated that the algorithm had resolved the issue.
1:46:27 PMMabus what is the issue you wish to discuss?
1:46:36 PMMabus you said you had an issue about an op
1:46:53 PMRachelThompson Mabus , you have provided no evidence of "repeated use of "questions about ops or rules to troll the channel".
1:46:56 PMRachelThompson Claim rejected, then.
1:47:04 PMMabus anything else i can do for you?
1:47:07 PMRachelThompson Yes.
1:47:23 PMRachelThompson Mabus , why doesn't it state in rule 19 this private clause you're currently enacting?
1:47:45 PMMabus lania.... you said you had an issue about an op
1:47:47 PMRachelThompson Do you retain the right to modify the rules we're discussing at any moment?
1:47:52 PMMabus this is your last chance to tell me what  the problem is
1:47:54 PMRachelThompson Mabus , I do.
1:48:16 PMRachelThompson I'm exploring your viewpoints on the context of the issue.
1:48:29 PMRachelThompson Mabus , are you no longer willing to discuss the dalnetdebates rules with me?
1:48:58 PMMabus i am not interested in exploring my viewpoints with you
1:49:07 PMMabus state your op issue...... or go away
1:49:24 PMRachelThompson Mabus , can you address my last question?
1:49:30 PMMabus no
1:49:45 PMRachelThompson Okay. I will take that as you are no longer willing to discuss the dalnetdebates rules with me.
1:49:51 PMRachelThompson I am ready to discuss the specific operator issue.
1:50:30 PMRachelThompson It will be hard to do this with you, as I can't cite the rules and have you speak about the rules.
1:51:01 PMRachelThompson Mabus , are you fine with users putting operators on ignore?
1:51:07 PMMabus yup
1:51:13 PMMabus users can put ops on ignore
1:51:21 PMRachelThompson That's good to hear. Thank you for your clear answer.
1:51:29 PMRachelThompson Did you see exbee's actions last night?
1:51:32 PMMabus if any op is confused about that you can copypaste that response to them
1:51:39 PMRachelThompson Thank you. I will.
1:51:39 PMMabus i did not see anything from last night
1:51:57 PMRachelThompson Okay, I actually do not have it saved this time, unfortunately.
1:52:18 PMMabus darn
1:52:20 PMRachelThompson exbee was chatting in the channel. exbee has been a dishonest person with me, in my perspective, many times in the past, and so I always ignore them.
1:52:43 PMRachelThompson I typed that I put them on ignore. He banned me in response, claiming I'm on akick.
1:52:56 PMRachelThompson My claim is that he was actually only irritated about me ignoring him.
1:53:12 PMRachelThompson And made up that akick claim to cover for his illegitimate response.
1:53:28 PMMabus you are on akick..... you have gotten around the akicks... we recognize that banned all the workarounds you use is a waste of time
1:53:35 PMMabus so we let you stay when you behave
1:53:43 PMMabus but when you stop behaving we will remove you
1:54:25 PMRachelThompson Why do you think I am on akick?
1:54:40 PMMabus irrelevent to the issue you are bringing up
1:54:55 PMMabus i do not wish to discuss your akick or the reasons for it presently
1:55:39 PMRachelThompson Mabus , I think banning people forever is incorrect, but if somebody has been troublesome in the past, we can give them higher scrutiny.
1:55:46 PMRachelThompson It feels like that's sort of the policy you've just described.
1:55:54 PMMabus its not forever
1:56:02 PMMabus in about four billion years the sun will explode
1:56:07 PMMabus the ban will not be in effect then
1:57:05 PMRachelThompson Mabus , why do you think exbee kicked me, given my narrative?
1:57:12 PMRachelThompson Presumably, you have logs you can inspect.
1:57:27 PMMabus my guess is you were being extremely annoying and so he decided you needed to be removed
1:57:32 PMRachelThompson Last time, I had logs of the encounter, and you did not inspect them -- for the record.
1:57:36 PMMabus and i trust his judgment
1:57:54 PMRachelThompson Mabus , do you think a user typing a single line about putting another on ignore is "extremely annoying"?
1:58:00 PMMabus yes
1:58:08 PMRachelThompson I see.
1:58:11 PMMabus you can put people on ignore without being an asshole about it
1:58:24 PMMabus but you always make a public pronouncement about it, and annoy people
1:58:25 PMRachelThompson Mabus , do you think typing "I put you on ignore" is being an asshole about ignoring a person?
1:58:35 PMMabus and when you do that, if an op chooses to ban you, i have no problem with that
1:58:38 PMMabus yes
1:58:45 PMRachelThompson I see.
1:58:54 PMMabus Anything else i can help you with?
1:58:56 PMRachelThompson Mabus , do you think banning a person can be consider 'being an asshole'?
1:59:03 PMRachelThompson In at least some cases.
1:59:13 PMMabus generically sure it can be
1:59:17 PMMabus it was not in this case
1:59:42 PMMabus Anything else i can help you with?
1:59:50 PMRachelThompson Mabus , to be clear, to resolve my history with exbee of them frequently being dishonest and selfish, from my perspective, you think it's fair for me to ignore them, but I should do so without being heard.
2:00:04 PMMabus correct
2:00:06 PMRachelThompson If I express myself, as they expressed their dishonesty and selfishness, that would be me being an asshole.
2:00:18 PMMabus we understand each other :)
2:00:24 PMRachelThompson Thank you for clarifying that point.
2:00:29 PMMabus your welcome
2:01:11 PMRachelThompson Mabus , it sounds like you have a perception I am on akick, which is to the death of the sun in 4 billion years, and once a chatter is in that status, the scrutiny operators need to demonstrate in banning is dramatically reduced.
2:01:16 PMRachelThompson Let's resolve this akick perception, then.
2:01:27 PMMabus no thank you
2:01:33 PMRachelThompson That way, when exbee behaves in a certain way, we don't have this akick excuse.
2:01:40 PMMabus no thank you
2:01:51 PMRachelThompson Thank you for your responses, Mabus .
2:01:57 PMMabus have a great day
2:02:03 PMRachelThompson I'm putting you back on ignore as I find you incredibly unethical.
2:02:10 PMMabus k
2:02:16 PMRachelThompson You showed some patience in this chat, which was nice.
2:02:26 PMMabus i have other things to do now
2:02:32 PMMabus so i will be away from keyboard
2:02:34 PMMabus have a great day
2:02:36 PMRachelThompson Take care.

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2:06:08 PM+RachelThompson Anybody like the Republic of Gilead?
2:06:24 PM+RachelThompson That's a society where the leaders have beliefs about there being different classes of citizens in the community.
2:06:48 PM+RachelThompson They do repeated human rights violations on the lesser groups in order to make the people in the greater group feel very good.
2:07:11 PM+RachelThompson One of the things in the Republic of Gilead is the Handmaids who are to be seen, but not heard.
2:07:28 PM+RachelThompson The leaders of the Republic of Gilead like that, as they don't enjoy being challenged, as far as I can tell from the novel.
2:07:58 PM+RachelThompson The show is nice because it features one of the handmaids who is actually much smarter than a lot of the people in the greater class, but she has to pretend to be less intelligent to not offend them.
2:08:13 PM+RachelThompson There is this one scene in which she intentionally loses at Scrabble for her master, Fred.
2:08:26 PM+RachelThompson He eventually learns she is better at Scrabble than he is.
2:08:35 PM+RachelThompson He rapes her later, though, so he gets his justice.
2:09:00 PM+RachelThompson You might be surprised at the amount of people that desire to live in the Republic of Gilead.
2:09:15 PM+RachelThompson I don't like the Republic of Gilead -- I'm against all forms of fascism, whether big or small.
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2:11:03 PM+RachelThompson  I think one of the reasons The Handmaid's Tale (Hulu) has been successful is that they bounce back and force from the Christian fascism of Gilead and the events leading up its formation. This way, we can see that some of the very places and people very near us actually have longing in their heart for such a society. It helps us remain vigilant against the formation of such societies. Perhaps you'll watch it, too.
2:13:05 PM+RachelThompsonMabus, for example, would like to live in the Republic of Gilead.
2:13:42 PM+RachelThompsonIt's important to note that, for the same reason it was important for Michelle Wolf to call out Sarah Huckabee-Sanders.
2:14:06 PM+Dreams2Xoh... Rachel is lania....
2:14:32 PM+RachelThompsonhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eDLX-QlrA18
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2:15:15 PM+RachelThompson“I don’t know who those people think they are that she can’t say that to them, ‘cause they offend people all the time,” Chappelle said in the video you can watch below. “And I think that for many people … it’s cathartic to watch that woman speak truth to power like that.” - Dave Chapelle
2:15:36 PM+RachelThompson“I know how hard it is to do what she did, I think she nailed it,” Chappelle said, commending her performance.
2:15:36 PM+RachelThompson
2:15:36 PM+RachelThompson“Whether I agree with it or not, I gotta respect the artistry,” he added.
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2:17:50 PM+RachelThompsonDreams2X: Rachel is somebody working against the small efforts of fascism so our nation can avoid the later sufferings that result once it takes hold.
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2:19:25 PM+RachelThompsonhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sophie_Scholl
2:19:36 PM+RachelThompsonSophia Magdalena Scholl (9 May 1921 – 22 February 1943) was a German student and anti-Nazi political activist, active within the White Rose non-violent resistance group in Nazi Germany.[1][2]
2:19:36 PM+RachelThompson
2:19:36 PM+RachelThompsonShe was convicted of high treason after having been found distributing anti-war leaflets at the University of Munich (LMU) with her brother, Hans. As a result, she was executed by guillotine. Since the 1970s, Scholl has been extensively commemorated for her anti-Nazi resistance work.
2:19:55 PM+RachelThompsonI salute you, Sophie.