Mik vs Fem

M - R1
* Paragon's power is to copy improved versions of the powers, stats, and skills of everyone around him simultaneously.
* In any straight fight in the round, Paragon just definitionally wins.
* All of TDM produce either heat or lightning that are devastating to the opposition.
* Given the massive durability gap between TDM and 5BB, the keystone of 5BB's defense is speed. Fem proving 5BB are faster, even if he can do that, does not matter
* Endurance gud
* Strength gud
* Great Win-con grid btw.

F - R1
* TDM - Deconstructions. Going over line by line how many of these picks are either meh or just merely in tier. Fem also tackles a good deal of their behaviors.
*  I do not think Miks team would never in a million years be able to hit mine because they are too pissingly slow.
* I do think that my team lands the first blows, and can chain those into further blows. I think they'll generally enjoy a greater ratio of "Hit vs. Being Hit"

M - R2
* Paragon copies enhanced versions of all of 5BB at once. He also does copy Alita and her skills.
* Paragon is intelligent enough to operate competently
* Omega-beams gud
* Even lowballed at real world values BA's lightning would have vastly more charge than anything 5BB resists.
* How does this compare to 5BB's electrical durability? They have none.
* 5BB do not present this multi-feet-of-metal level of piercing offense.
* Orochi Has no durability and dies first.
* Has also been argued to attempt his own blitz, so likely dies next as he charges into death. I'm fine with the Superman/Superman pairing, but MS holds all the advantages there.
* The durability gap makes all the difference when both debaters are reasonably agreeing on proximity in speed. The few attacks Fem made against TDM's speed don't really even hold water.
* Continuously fighting the bullet-timing WW + a full team of heroes alongside her, 2 of whom have already been shown to be faster than her, does not make his dodging WW an outlier.

F - R2
* Orochi spams everyone here, requiring their full attention to defend- yet the rest of 5BB is also demanding their full attention. TDM can't keep up with both at once
* TDM almost never dodges, even vs. slower enemies.
* TDM's Speed is defined by three metrics: FTE, Projectiles, and bullet timer Interactions 5BB is superior in these metrics.
* Both 5BB & TDM are skilled. Yet TDM doesn't capitalize on their skill in the way 5BB does. Virtually every fight 5BB has shows them abusing their skill.
* Piercing anti-feats.
* Heat "works".
* There's no mention of any of 5BB's strength in his last response, so there's no comparison going on with which to base this claim.
* Alita & Orochi can't be copied.

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Initially I was pretty convinced that Paragon was a hard carry, and Mik did a pretty good job of actually swaying me. While I was convinced about Fem mentioning that Paragon isn't "functionally" skilled and just acts as a statstick, he's still a pretty damn good statstick.

Fem's last response however got me thinking about how Paragon was inherently "less skilled" and Alita's combination of abilities that as written would make her non-copyable. That isn't exactly the worst situation to be in, but a lot of points I think swayed me slightly to Fem with how TDM habitually never dodges compared to their opponents. Even if they have better "on paper" speed (which I am iffy on as a concept), they don't have better "functional" speed.

That was one large contributer to why I am swayed by Fem. I think the Paragon god-combo is probably pretty strong, but gets progressively worse by 1 one person he's arguably gimped by copying which gets progressively worse as his team is getting stat-checked by piercing which Adam's congaline of anti-feats don't make me think he's good at them. Mik's arguments for "Man of Steel" with bullets, normal grenades and bodily weight aren't super convincing when opponents are shown cutting through buildings. Darkseid's piercing as argued is inferior to Orochi's check, and probably to Garou if I am understanding the scan right.

Fem wins.