[23:43] Blackjack (garinovitch.raviprakash): Hey Sneek? Can we talk some things over to improve Marshal/Corsair relations (and of course we'll RP it out because this is an RP sim. But just start OOC so we can hammer stuff out)?
[23:50] Sneek (leonscottk): Hey :) Sure thing
[23:58] Blackjack (garinovitch.raviprakash): I need to level with you, for the future and success of my group, I can never pull out and stop patrolling the Undercity. Not every day has a new bounty or a big job for Marshal, I need to create content for Marshal that we have everyday. I the UC is often an afterthought for the other groups and hardly do it anything with it, Ifeel without UC, Corsairs still have so much they can do with the sim and continue to prosper, it's amazing, like for example if you wanted to can turn coat support EGOV and become privateers or play both sides raid for EGOV and Raid EGOV as well, I'm not saying you should, just giving an example! Now, I'm not saying Corsairs shouldn't patrol UC, in fact I believe we can patrol the UC together! Marshal isn't in the UC to sweep all crime, we just want to deal with violent crime, terrorism, and rape because Marshal cares about the civilian locals of the UC and doesn't want them to be abused. We also want it to be a safe haven for black marketing and other trafficking (Honestly we want to keep kicking out EGOV but they show up while we're away) I miss Marshal's old relations with Corsairs, there was a time I consider Corsairs to be Marshal's only ally because we were both anarchists and understood each other. And when I started my reaches to form an alliance in the UC /BEFORE/ Hextail, I was happy to have Corsairs aiding Marshal with the patrolling.
[00:10] Blackjack (garinovitch.raviprakash): To quick add on, once the sim rebuild drops, the UC is going to be alot bigger and I project it will be alot busier as well
[00:12] Sneek (leonscottk): The thing is.. And problem is that you have two criminal bases there. The pirates and ExP. Like it's there territory. And as well with crime. That place should be something for criminals to have more crime. I mean the moment they start interfaring on there own they will have agian this situation. Why they not patrol with col sec upper city? :) Pirates - count as terrorist and major crime. Contraband and so on. The thing with UC , it's a crime zone. Like in have city's. Pirates being stopped right near there base. : ) I will have to think how to do and play it all out. Marhsals lost a lot of contracts with criminals , cause the all stuff happened. I will talk with Kesslan and Asami cause i opened to them two and always have there opinions on any occasion :)
[00:19] Blackjack (garinovitch.raviprakash): Corsairs and EXP have the entire Wasteland and Colony as they see fit. Crime happens at every level regardless.. I am speaking to you GL to GL, I have made sacrafices  and prevented myself from doing things because it threatened the sim balance. I am not saying give Marshal full control of the UC, I'm saying for us to cooperate and work together. You know it to be true, EXP hardly ever uses the the UC, and the pirates hang out more in the Wasteland. Right now, not even Marshal has a safe space in the wastes because we get attaked outside of our base. When I mean terrorism, I mean bombing the place. And I just say we ant black marketing and contrabands to strive. EXP has been spreading lies about Marshal, we literally did nothing to lose contracts from Criminals, we've killed from CSEC officers than EXP has this year. We're also not going to stop pirates near their base becuase we'd communicate. EXP and Corsairs has the entire sim and all the potential, all I'm asking is to work with me so another group can have something.
[00:36] Sneek (leonscottk) hmf... Honestly. I draw them to wasteland more so they not get bumped into marshals a lot due to you know.. Conflicts accuring. But guy's feel like you are policing the palce. I mean everyone feels that way. Thats one of reasons they lost contracts with some foak. They act as police officers. People like criminals do bounties between each other spreading instead of giving them them and announcing. Cause people not trust marshals at all. I just being honest with you. You could be handling so many bounties if you would have criminals back to your side. When i started black market events I wanted to offer marshals to do security there as well. There are many things to act as security. Not cops. For police work there is honestly the upper city. A lot of foak not feel comfy as they feel tat the moment they will start doing stuff in undercity, the knights  will arrive to save the day. I don't want to sound rude or offend. I just say how it really looks and what wibes it gives. There are so many possible
[00:36] Sneek (leonscottk):  contracts and RP for everyone.. I mean. If they would not turn arround from all of us. And did not have acted against criminals.. and show that they are reliable mercenary , contractors that are actually neutral. Couse if you do for both the same it shows that you are. Like seperating into two devisions. Criminal part and good part and lettng each party handle part of the sim. Criminal or good. Would remain neutral , have plenty of RP and so on. if you get what i mean? Pirates never get influence from people. I sended myself many messages via other people to sit down with you. pirates were shaked in under-city down like cops do in upper city, sneek was twice before himself. I honestly need to think how to do things but with wasteland we hang out to givve support to hounds and now looking at our own territory that is lower part of the undercity .
[00:47] Blackjack (garinovitch.raviprakash): You're apart of Marshal too, you should know our structure, we literally split our roster into two companies, one to work with criminals and one to work with goodies. Marshal has never shaken down anyone in the UC, we just stand there and mingle around while under orders to watch out for any CSEC officers Right now Marshal's cause in the UC is that it's no one's territory, because the moment you say it's Corsair territory, you will upset EXP. This is where Marshal comes in... Neutrality is our goal, we'd keep things at an equal footing with the other groups down there. We're trying to prevent the UC from being torn apart. Let's say someone from EXP is stupid and attacks a Corsair, normally all of Corsairs would retaliate and now you have an EXP/Corsair war. But instead, Marshal stops that EXP and the situation is more mellow.. Before everything fell apart becuase of Hextail, I had orders that if we're going to collect a bounty against say a corsair, NEVER attack them in the UC. You should have seen how pissed I was with Sergei when he attacked Garret in the Undercity.
[01:03] Sneek (leonscottk): well like i sed.. Will try to rething all of it how to get it better... The thing is that what you discribe is some sort of police force that keeps everething under control. Corsairs and EXP have more or less semi devided the thing. lI will really need to think how to make it work. Cause i not really want marshals get a big hint and gain a full claim of the col sec 2.0. and i think its not what you want. :) and regarding a ting.. IN the sewers was actually questioned where going , who am.. with who and so on. 2 times. :) Like i sed.. i need to process it all and think. What can be done .
[01:09] Blackjack (garinovitch.raviprakash): Well keep in mind, it's hard to create a CSEC 2.0, Junkhounds have been on that path for a long long time, and if EXP fixes itself and grows, it will be a CSEC 2.0. As Corsairs grows, it will not feel constrained, you hang out in the UC and Wastes. However as EXP grows, it will feel constrained, it doesn't want the upper colony. Once it grows it'll start to go against Corsairs. Marshal's role in all this is keep things fair and event. I understand you're concerned Marshal could become a CSEC 2.0, I don't feel you fully understand my group but I want to help you fully understand. That is why I'm saying work with us so we don't become CSEC 2.0, we can work with each and communicate. Also you and I have two vastly definitions of shake downs lol Yeah of course they have to question you, my operators are trying to figure out if you're an EGOV snake lol Can't assume everyone knows your identity.
[01:09] Blackjack (garinovitch.raviprakash): *It's not hard to create a CSEC 2.0
[01:11] Sneek (leonscottk): (( he was in pirate armour . he always is .. almost always
[01:11] Sneek (leonscottk): You seen i think me arround always in it
[01:13] Blackjack (garinovitch.raviprakash): Not hard for a wolf to hide in sheep's clothing
[01:14] Blackjack (garinovitch.raviprakash): Expecially when there are shapeshifters running around
[01:18] Sneek (leonscottk): Well one of the things. But as well. there many aspects. If you send Tsume fiday  . Sneek gave his word she be fine and she will. So til then will think of something and pass on during meeting both ICly and OOCly
[01:26] Blackjack (garinovitch.raviprakash): Corsairs and EXP have alot of freeroam and power, CSEC is not as powerful as it use to be, you coordinated you could slice up the Colony more. But I understand wanting a more secured safe haven. Your groups can so do so much more I am actually jealous with what your groups' reach can have, with Marshal I'm very limited. There isn't really anything I can say "We're doing this for Marshal" THis is why I'm talking to GL to GL, sim staff. When I became leader of Marshal, I swore to myself I would never find the success of my group at the cost of another group. I have had EXP and Junkhound players consider quitting their group and focus on Marshal but I talk them out of it because that's not how you create a healthy community. Corsairs has a 101 things, all I'm asking is to work with me so Marshal can keep it's one thing and as an outcome we would prosper from RP together. Yes I described a police, but you're focused on the word police and not who the police is for. What if a hound was setting off a bomb in your territory, wouldn't you want someone to stop it? If you patrol the UC, is that not policing? Is Junkhounds not policing in the wastes? I made it clear with Marshal, if they break up a fight in UC, no one is held prisoner, you just prop them up on a bench after you beat them up. No one is fined. Yes Marshal checks in on people, but as we've seen in the past CSEC will go undercover and patrol the UC.
[02:03] Sneek (leonscottk): Honestly in all opinion. Marhals i a job not a faction. There primary thing was contracts and mecinary work and so on as they took over from there predecessor. Regarding like I sed the Undercity. Unfortunatelly i do not agree there. THere are much things marshals can do but sinking the nails and tetch into undercity where lot people question it even within some grups. I'm gladly help marshals to work with contracts get connections and reastablish with criminals. But having territory for me it's a faction thing. Marshals have a lot of potential in terms of bounties , getting contracts. If like you described, hounds set of bomb in my territory.. I would have first of have to deal with them later. If they would set of, looking to long run it's potential more RP to all groups. So that's a bad example. Setting a bomg in undercity, can bring some potential : 1) col sec and Egov trying to sniff out whats happening. 2) Pirates getting with Hounds to there throats in a bit of conflict as well more RP for everyone. 3)
[02:03] Sneek (leonscottk):  Throwing bounties out that Marshals can pick up. Maybe get hired for example by hounds to assist hounds with one thing, then with pirates to assist with another thing for cash. Provide there services as a job for actual reward. Like before. Marshals were in high demand for bitting , like order them. People were outbitting them who will get additional support from them. Since i'm a GL and i'm already long in pirates as GL , there was nothing done to work with criminal sector. Simple example. Tazerface everyone jumped on him. There was bounty on Daizy col sec no one moved. There were other bounties like steal a truck from a hounds. A bountie. No one moved. Was a bounty on Quillis long time ago. No one made a move cause she went to Order. About only thing there are so many not used opportunities that could make a Job shine. Only things i hear from marshals constantly is how criminals are bad and we must work for freedom and stuff. And that ICly i mind you. Simple example. There was a toll not too long a go.
[02:03] Sneek (leonscottk):  Hounds gave faith and let Sergei pass and other marshal with him. What marshals did? Volunteered suggested and encoraging citizens go throw the mines to avoid Toll and announcing about that. With so many things done in the past in a wrong way. Not one not two.. not three times. Even when I specifically told Sergei, one more time pirates will ge attacked by a marshal in uniform measures will be taken that sneek does not want to take. He went out of his way to contact sergei to let him know to pass it to you as well as the fallen person's dog tags. Nothing was done only how pirates are bad cause they killed a person who mind you attacked them when hounds were holding the actual Toll not pirates. But fire was towards Pirates. attempts to take pictures of pirates. If you ask me just let that situation be like it is. No. I honestly not think that's a think that criminals would tolerate ICly. So far pirates only acted upon being provoked or attacked. If you ask me flat out. My Opinion
[02:04] Sneek (leonscottk): to just o let us just have it and we work it out. It did not work in past and i dought will work. If you ask to assist the group in helping get good relationship with all criminals throw out the pirates cause pirates have good stand with all criminal factions and start getting contracts
[02:04] Sneek (leonscottk): I'm more than happy to assist
[02:06] Blackjack (garinovitch.raviprakash): It did not work in the past because of jolly manipulation from Hextail.
[02:07] Sneek (leonscottk): after hex tail it did not work as well :)
[02:08] Blackjack (garinovitch.raviprakash): Because after Hextail we stopped talking after the UC Node War incident
[02:13] Sneek (leonscottk): Kesstra.. The things happen after Hextail .
[02:13] Sneek (leonscottk): I reached out Via sergei , via other people i could get to you. Even your QM
[02:14] Blackjack (garinovitch.raviprakash): I'm sorry that happened with my QM and Sergei, I really am
[02:14] Sneek (leonscottk): And what about accidents?
[02:14] Blackjack (garinovitch.raviprakash): But after a while, how come no one had the idea to contact me directly for a confirmed answer?
[02:16] Sneek (leonscottk): Kesstra. For how long you do not have 0 communication or contract with Criminals?
[02:17] Blackjack (garinovitch.raviprakash): Alot...
[02:17] Sneek (leonscottk): Yea
[02:17] Sneek (leonscottk): I act about things ICly
[02:17] Sneek (leonscottk): And i did not act against marshals at all
[02:17] Sneek (leonscottk): I react only to attacks so far that happen on us
[02:17] Sneek (leonscottk): cause i know if the things go further.. it be dog piling
[02:18] Blackjack (garinovitch.raviprakash): Then do the right thing. Work with me and create balance. I had all the motivation to take EXP's contract and have Marshal raid Junktown constantly, but I believed that was not healthy for the sim and I refused
[02:19] Sneek (leonscottk): No. you should of
[02:19] Sneek (leonscottk): That would make a conflict
[02:19] Sneek (leonscottk): The situation is absolutelly stil for so long
[02:19] Blackjack (garinovitch.raviprakash): You weren't there to know the situation
[02:19] Sneek (leonscottk): Nothing happening
[02:20] Sneek (leonscottk): Is it when all this bull crap that Elly was called liar , Jor was saying they lie and no one sticked to there word and made big deal out of it?
[02:20] Blackjack (garinovitch.raviprakash): Oh no that was a different situation
[02:20] Blackjack (garinovitch.raviprakash): Here lemme explain
[02:21] Sneek (leonscottk): xD just not tool ong
[02:21] Sneek (leonscottk): it's 10:20 am xD 4h pass my bed time xD and i have to wake up in 5h to work
[02:21] Sneek (leonscottk): lol
[02:22] Blackjack (garinovitch.raviprakash): Junks attacked Neon Demon, EXP got mad and hired Marshal to attack Junktown constant. at the time CSEC was constantly beating up and ganging up on Hounds, so I turned down the contract because I felt it was not fair for Hounds to go through all this dogpiling
[02:23] Sneek (leonscottk): It's actually still oportunity . Like. As long as you show you not bias. LIke job is a job. I'm hired and thats a actual job
[02:23] Blackjack (garinovitch.raviprakash): I want to work and cooperate together. I won't give up on the UC, but my extended offer to align will now and always be available. Who cares if we're a job? A simple small job group has been standing rather powerfully against other factions and we've been just as active as the other faction, we've posed the threat level of a faction as well, we even have weekly events that go on for half the day, job or not, we have done our work to deserve respect and not be disregarded as just a job. I respect you have a group to care for, you are focused on it's future, however I am as well. But since we agree, conflict is important, I'm more than happy to say that in the UC we'll have plenty of opportunities to have conflict.. I just hope you understand that I can't back down, but I really really want to work with you and we can build up something great if you'd give it a chance.
[02:23] Sneek (leonscottk): People would not give a fuck
[02:24] Blackjack (garinovitch.raviprakash): Kay how many cops should we kill? We've killed alot already.
[02:25] Sneek (leonscottk): With Dayzy fake death? :) It's not about killing cops.
[02:25] Sneek (leonscottk): What i told to Tsume?
[02:25] Sneek (leonscottk): If she wants to set the situation striaght
[02:25] Sneek (leonscottk): Get you out of the heat
[02:25] Sneek (leonscottk): cause if all start to dog pile.. people will be downed like.. Daily.
[02:26] Sneek (leonscottk): I do not want tha
[02:26] Sneek (leonscottk): that*
[02:26] Blackjack (garinovitch.raviprakash): How about some fair ground rules while Marshal fights Hounds? To prevent dog piling, Corsairs stays out of the fight.
[02:29] Sneek (leonscottk): .... >...> Like.. Sneek is pissed off enough to set event going use 200c4 to block that entrence to green mine and get new one where would be out of all reach . His people being attacked and bullied in UC. Pirates are upset about them facts
[02:29] Blackjack (garinovitch.raviprakash): That doesn't answer my proposal
[02:32] Blackjack (garinovitch.raviprakash): Also literally no one in Marshal is bullying or attacking anyone in UC
[02:35] Sneek (leonscottk): Are you 100% sure ? : ) I just will leave it like this at this question. I'm preparing for IC meeting and OOC notecard for when i'm off from work. That be on Thursday. To discuss all the matter ICly. Cause this is really not going no where. I offered a hand of help. How you decide from there be yours and Tsume's decision where to go. I really need to head to bed. As i need ot catch some sleep before work
[02:39] Blackjack (garinovitch.raviprakash): Yes I'm 100% sure :) Because I need an active group with active people that actually do stuff first. WHile Marshal and Hounds are fighting, all you have to do is not participate and explain it's for balance. Being aware of the problem but still participate doesn't make you less of the problem but apart of it. If Mytharii attacked sanctum, I'm not going to help Mytharii because that wouldn't be fair. But I don't believe you offered a hand to help yet, telling me to give up on my groups main moral motivation is not helping me, it's hurting my group. I offered to work together, I'm willing to compromise, for the better of RP.