TheAncientGoat> hi kripken :D
<kripken> good morning TheAncientGoat
<TheAncientGoat> How are you today?
<kripken> long day at work, a little tired, but ok. You?
<TheAncientGoat> Ouch. I'm gewd. Not sure what I'll be doing today, although there is stuff to be done :)
<kripken> ah, I remember when my life was like that ;)
<kripken> grr gnome-panel keeps hanging on 100% CPU
<TheAncientGoat> Hehe. I know I have to put some stuff up for sale on UAE's equivalent of Ebay todayish though
<TheAncientGoat> :\ I've had such hangs too, although chromium was mainly the culprit there
<kripken> I am on 9.04 here, maybe if I upgrade it will fix that bug
<TheAncientGoat> Hahaha, haha, upgrade /fixing/ bugs, good one XD
<kripken> heh, well I haven't seen the bug in 10.04 on other machines, so I am hopeful ;)
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<TheAncientGoat> Well, clean installs are good, but upgrades is trouble begging
<kripken> yes, if I do it I should do a clean install I guess
<kripken> hi BiosElement
<BiosElement> Hey kripken, long time no see ^_^
<kripken> yep, I finally have internet access over here...
<kripken> been a while
<BiosElement> We noticed ;)
<TheAncientGoat> Btw, kripken, did you see O3D is becomming a JS webGL renderer now?
<TheAncientGoat> So you can fully run webGL apps without downloading a plugin
<kripken> TheAncientGoat: yes, I think there were 2 big pieces of news in my absense. That, and Nevrax going FOSS. Interesting stuff
<TheAncientGoat> Nevrax being? The ryzom guys>
<kripken> yeah, I meant ryzom
<BiosElement> Yeah
<TheAncientGoat> Their engine has been foss for long though
<BiosElement> It has?
<TheAncientGoat> Just ryzom's client and data not
<TheAncientGoat> BiosElement: Yep
<TheAncientGoat> Under the NeL moniker
<kripken> just a small part of their engine was FOSS. Now all of it is
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<BiosElement> I was gonna say, FSF made a press release on it. I doubt they'd have done that unless it was a pretty large release
<kripken> it was, yes. might be too late though
<BiosElement> Too late for who? The Company or the project? ;)
<kripken> it will take another year or so to complete their toolset and make it usable
<BiosElement> Aye, they're gonna have a hard time with that
<BiosElement> If nothing else though, their source will be useful to see how x feature is done
<TheAncientGoat> Yep. They did get a large amount of people interested though
<kripken> seems so
<TheAncientGoat> 60 people in their channel a week after the release
<kripken> it is starting to look like WebGL is the way things are heading though, not native clients
<BiosElement> Eh, never gonna happen.
<BiosElement> Native apps will always have their place, regardless of what google wants to tell people >.<
<kripken> I am starting to doubt it
<BiosElement> Suprising to hear that from someone who learned how 'fun' it was without net access kripken. ;)
<kripken> heh
<kripken> touche
<eihrul> the kripken is alive
<kripken> hi eihrul
<kripken> wow I haven't read the cube forums all the time I was without internet access
<eihrul> don't worry, there is nothing there worth reading :)
<BiosElement> I was gonna say... *cough*
<kripken> why, it's interesting now and then...
<eihrul> just random noobs asking questions over and over
<BiosElement> That does tend to get old >..
<kripken> hmm looks like nothing new in the last few weeks
<T7g> evening gentlemen!
<kripken> hi T7g
<BiosElement> Hey T7g
<kripken> eihrul, any release planned for sauer?
<TheAncientGoat> kripken: He could tell you, but then he'd have to kill you
<eihrul> there are never plans
<eihrul> working on enet packet compression atm
<BiosElement> ^Thus why you'd have to kill him
<kripken> heh
<kripken> ah packet compression sounds cool
<eihrul> dunno, still a guess as to how much it will save
<eihrul> i dunno if it will chop off more than 20% on average
<eihrul> but i know quake 3 used adaptive huffman, which is worse than what i'm trying, so maybe there is hope
<kripken> I also suspect it won't matter very significantly, a lot of the data can't be compressed well in sauer-type games at least
<kripken> still would be nice
<T7g> would really be nice in bulk message packets
<eihrul> kripken: well, i tried it on a sauer demo
<eihrul> and sometimes it did pretty good
<kripken> eihrul: how good?
<eihrul> but the timestamps themselves in the demo sort of pollute the results
<eihrul> won't know for sure until i try it on the real thing
<kripken> hmm ok
<eihrul> otoh, the real thing will have enet packet headers
<eihrul> which more or less might compress about as well as the demo timestamps
<eihrul> but my guess is 20% range
<eihrul> more effective the larger the packet gets, due to the adaptive model
<eihrul> since it learns to compress better farther into the packet
<kripken> ok
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<kripken> what compression are you using?
<eihrul> but has to reset probabilities every packet
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<eihrul> adaptive range coder, order-1
<kripken> nice
<eihrul> so it can compress 2 byte sequences
<eihrul> otoh it doesn't seem terribly speedy
<eihrul> like 7MB/s with my toy code
<eihrul> but that was still on par with gzip for large files
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<eihrul> and better than most range coders i could find
<kripken> well speed is likely not a big constraint here
<kripken> I am guessing
<eihrul> yeah, i was figuring given that sauer servers are mostly CPU idle
<eihrul> better to use that for something
<eihrul> and they're not gonna be pushing even 1MB/s except in very crowded case
<eihrul> if you figure like 30 players on a server
<kripken> there are other simple ways to compress the protocol though, like send updates less frequently when players move more slowly
<kripken> a nonmoving player could send very very slowly
<kripken> although in sauer people tend to move most of the time
<BiosElement> Aye. But for something like an RPG that could be useful
<kripken> yeah, that's why it's implemented in syntensity
<eihrul> even still
<eihrul> sauer compresses shit very low for what it is
<eihrul> but this will chop off any intra-packet redundancy :P
<kripken> cool
<kripken> ok, I am off, bye everyone
<BiosElement> Later kripken
<TheAncientGoat> night kripken
<eihrul> if quake 3 can do it, so can we :P
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<T7g> went out and bought 1.5qt mint chocolate chip, 1.5qt cookie dough ice cream, sugar cones, and powdered donuts, love the 24 hour CVS a block away, they just need a frozen coke machine.
<BiosElement> LOL, I officially hate you now T7g.
<BiosElement> You just made me hungry...and I 'just' ate.
<TheAncientGoat> Making myself a jam sammich.. Out of meat :(
<T7g> the red bull was on sale for 5.99 and in my head I tranlated that to 2$ a can
<T7g> but now that I'm at home I realize it was 1.50$ a can
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<T7g> rule1 of dating sites; if someone's main picture is them eating, that's a red flag.
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<T7g> that ice cream was really good, I put both in the same cone.
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