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Sarah I'm gonna look at some more grammar emails

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so non replied to me and Kate

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discussing

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this sentence make an angry

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and

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after my arguing Kate some I said

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and Sarah the example make the steel strong.

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I think the strength of first is tell them about the making.

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I think about it is angry and naked

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Angry just an object compliment. And now for all these

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I've been at least treating it as an imperative. So there's an implied you. You make the steals from you make an angry. So that's the subject. So make is the verb. And then and that's a long controversial as far as the now

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with other people on the list, nobody's objecting to that part.

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So the only controversial part

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is

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maybe how we analyze the the,

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the end part,

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the part after the verb,

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the part after the main verb

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and the very specific

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so known says, giving something a name doesn't mean

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You understand it, it just means other people have seen the same issue before and

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it doesn't mean they understand how or why it works. Yeah, the brown throated thrush.

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If you haven't, I'm not going to go into it. But if you're unfamiliar with

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this time and story,

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I recommend

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either reading it or here's a YouTube video if you prefer videos, and I can't see prefer videos, that's cool. I'm making videos so I can't really hold that against you.

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So yeah, so that's

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Sorry, I'm reading

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nones on

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With the background of

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knowledge of this fine point

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I guess I'll go over it a little bit since so

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I guess the five minutes like relating the story of his father they

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explain the difference between knowing the name of something and knowing something and it's

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this to be under five min see that bird it's a brand third thrush been in Germany it's called it hasn't Google and Chinese they call it a tripling.

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If you know the names of those names for me, so nothing about Bert.

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He only knows something about people what they call the

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Hey, there's

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just no labels You don't understand.

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Like the grocery production or

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whether it makes nests or how it navigates or any any of the actual stuff that the bird does.

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So back to and on and on says

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the name just means it is a special case.

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The name just means

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the quote is a special case, close quote theory.

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It's just a fancy way of saying some verbs are special and take two objects and we're compliments rather than the usual one.

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That's not wrong, but at least open the possibility that there's a better explanation, maybe reading it as having implied infinitive.

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relate the two compliments is better, because it gives you a full version. Let's play with a special case

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and clarifies how the two compliments related.

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I like the

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you know, I agree that we should

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try and understand things more and move forward. You know, you don't want to have lots of special cases.

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So

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I'd actually read this a bit earlier.

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And it was in the back of my mind when I did my earlier posts replying about

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a bit about post Nam modifier,

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which is my

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trying to

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link things together somewhat

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I think together some special cases and something that's more like overarching

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and then anon also says

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different email and no, it says, replying to himself. Or maybe it's another

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EK you can tell. special cases don't normally just appear arbitrarily they develop the other hand, maybe it developed in some other way. There's some other logic to it

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rolled out, I'm going to roll that out, but I haven't thought of a good alternative explanation either.

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It's an attempted enough time at an alternative. You could be kind of like in a positive but I don't think this very

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Clear explains it very well unless there's some x going further right? So that's sort of the direction that I was going in.

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When I started thinking of that, because now my fires and saying Well,

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again like normally the if something's modifying a noun,

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again as YouTube then it comes before.

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So I started writing a bit about this idea I have post now modifier says a grammatical concept. And I just talked about the usual case of adjectives coming.

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Or I should say,

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when something modifies a noun, normally it's an adjective and it comes before the noun like john wall. Bread comes before ball just to Mike's cheesy pizza.

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Cheesy comes before pizza.

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But sometimes modifies can come after.

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Seven sometimes modifies now can come after the noun.

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They can also be things other than adjectives, such as other nouns. Going to call these posts can modifier

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tentatively going to call this person on modifier is because I'm really not married to the name.

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So post positive, post positive adjectives

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or adjectives that appear after, right so I just

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This is more

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clarifying than the main explanation but I just wanted to get it out.

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And know that there's some overlap regarding those positive badges, and there's some overlap here with object compliments. Getting the most positive adjectives can also be an unfit compliment, Eg you need someone strong.

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Strong, is an adjective is post positive.

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And because someone is an object, we subject for

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subject we are the object someone

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as strong as an object compliment.

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But no post positive adjectives or object compliments. For example, nothing important happened

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important

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modifying

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the word nothing

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and all not all object compliments positive adjectives for example, and dying calls me her buddy but he's now an object.

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All right, I think that makes sense.

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So I'm not sure about this.

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So and Wikipedia, it says that as just must appear post positively in English, when they qualify almost all compound and some simple indefinite pronouns. And it only gives one it gives one site for a book that I can't find an electronic version out.

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Found another page is linked from the

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Wikipedia article on post positive adjectives and

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gives an interesting explanation says those edges can occur

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both before and after now.

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We'll see the sea is blue is an adjective.

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Some is an adjective here too, but it's being connected to one king.

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Hillman The man is all happy children the children are happening.

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I just in the first position before the noun are called attributed adjectives,

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as in the second position after now called predictive adjectives. Notice that predictive adjectives to not occur immediately after the now instead they follow over.

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Sometimes an adjective does occur immediately after a noun especially

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Certain institutionalized expressions

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the Governor General the Princess Royal times past.

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We refer to these as post positive adjectives.

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Post position is obligatory when an adjective modifies pronoun to see this is because I found the Wikipedia article addresses but I found it using the way it was explaining it.

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So this just says if an adjective modifies a pronoun,

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it has to be. So I was thinking about these examples that this page gives.

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Post positive adjectives and

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I'm not really satisfied

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with

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The explanation

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of the cases. And the reason that I'm not satisfied is

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because

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I can't see why it would be limited to.

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Like, I'm doubtful that the

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case

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that the principle behind the case just applies to pronouns. And I was thinking about it some, and I think I

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may have figured it out.

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I don't know. So, so

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what I had

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what I figured out was that

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post positive adjectives

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what makes them okay?

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might be that they're standing for a relative clause.

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And so it's not really

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it's not really an issue of following a pronoun. But it's more an issue of whether they're standing for relative plus and so I talked about this first example

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where I

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came up with a full sentence out of their like partial example

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sweat page. And I said

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everyone president voted on the bill. So president is a post positive adjective.

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So that's okay.

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Good. And I say now consider the sentence. The senators president

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voted on bill and that that seems okay. To me.

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It's not how I would necessarily say it's I say it's a bit non standard, but okay. What would be more standard is relative close. The senators who were present voted on the bill. So they say I wonder if the real principle behind post positive adjectives is that there are shortcuts for not writing out a relative clause. Their position after the noun they modify is one because falling fact within the relative clause they're scanning for they were actually coming after a linking for

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so that's, that's what makes it okay. And so

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Consider these other examples. So I'm just going to

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continue developing their these examples into full sentences. So those responsible

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will be found. Right? So get some other examples and the page. So the page, the UCL page describes stuff like the shortest route possible.

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as examples of how those positive adjectives are commonly thrown together with superlative true positive adjectives.

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But I think that the same idea that I was saying about the post positive adjective being, sort of shortcut or shorthand representation of a relative

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applies to these as well. The shortest route that was possible, the worst conditions that were imaginable the best hotel that was available. Now you could see why you would want to not necessarily write that out all the time in terms of the

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heaviness of the expression

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has hooked up pithiness to make sure as you care.

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But

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I think

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I think my

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standing for a relative clause interpretation is better because

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it sort of captures more and gives more of a principle because like, the way you could think about it is is if you could easily substitute relative Claus there.

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Then a post positive additive should be okay. I think I mean, I haven't thought through tons of cases, but like I could see a limiting principle to it. Which I think is, is that limiting principle or to actually hold up to criticism and apply to lots of actual real world grammar. Word usage cases will be better than having like a list of special rules that you have to keep in mind.

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This is an interesting loan. Now it says most adjectives can freely occur in both the attributed and the predict

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captive.

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Pretty good at positions. However, a small number of adjectives are restricted to one position only. For example, the adjective main the main reason can only occur in the attributed position.

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Break it is the reason is me. gonna end the video here.

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