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[09:55] <+layla-> hello isis
[09:55] <+Godric> and if you are married you can still file seperatly if you some how incur some sort of penality
[09:56] <+Godric> although in my experience ive always gotten a bigger refund if i file jointly
[09:58] <@Keily> gee didn't know it's very complicated to get married in the US
[09:58] <@Keily> I think I just elope
[09:58] <@Keily> lol
[09:58] <+Godric> it can be as easy or complicated as you want it
[09:59] <+Godric> lots of choices really
[10:00] <@barabbas`> The Bible does tell us not to become unequally yoked to another. To some this means Christians shouldn't marry outside their faith, but its not a commandment.
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[10:01] <+Godric> just be aware if you want to be.. i guess... married by not recognized by the state.. you will have to do some legal legwork or you might run into difficulties in the future
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[10:02] <+VirtualPreacher> simple contract
[10:04] <@Keily> barabbas`, I couldn't call it a commandment but
[10:04] <@Keily>  you can't walk together in different directions
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[10:06] <@barabbas`> Keily: Yes, thats why the Bible tells us not to be unequally yoked. With that being said, there is nothing that says we can't marry a Muslim if we want. Now some churches, like the RCC, won't marry anyone who isn't a member of the RCC or going through the process to become a
member.
[10:06] <@Keily> besides if you love someone, how can you bear to see them without Christ?
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[10:06] <+VirtualPreacher> i would not say there is nothing. there is the apostle paul saying dont do it.
[10:07] <+Godric> love trancends religious notions imo
[10:07] <+VirtualPreacher> since when does loving people require forming a lifetime covenant with them.
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[10:08] <+Godric> who said it does?
[10:10] <+VirtualPreacher> "love transcends religious notions" Christians are already commanded to love their neighbor and even their enemies regardless of the persons religious views it already transcends religion, lifetime covenants like marriage are not at issue there.
[10:11] <+Godric> is love commanded really love?
[10:11] <+VirtualPreacher> not if someone makes up their own definition of love i guess it would not be.
[10:11] <+VirtualPreacher> but the kind of love that is commanded toward one's neighbor in the bible is
[10:11] <@barabbas`> Yes, its just not the same kind of love one has for their spouse, or parents or children etc.
[10:12] <+Godric> i think everyone has a bit different definition of what love is
[10:12] <@barabbas`> To equate the love you have for your spouse with the love we are commanded to have for our enemies show little understanding of love.
[10:13] <+Godric> who was equating the 2?
[10:14] <+layla-> what will be the religion of the children?
[10:14] <+VirtualPreacher> personally having experienced an unequally yoked marriage and having heard and seen the experience of other people who have
been in that situation I would not do it for any reason I can imagine.
[10:14] <+layla-> it will be complicated in the event of divorce
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[10:15] <@barabbas`> layla- Therein lies the problem. The Bible does teach that the man is head of the household, which means the children should be raised in his faith.
[10:15] <+VirtualPreacher> think of the ChiLdURN!
[10:16] <+Mabus> and that they should stone disobedient children to death
[10:16] <+Mabus> just sayin
[10:16] <+VirtualPreacher> there is a saying about this:  the christian that takes a non believer as a spouse is taking the devil as a spiritual father-in-law
[10:17] <+Godric> heh
[10:17] <+VirtualPreacher> Mabus where are Christians told to stone anyone to death?
[10:17] <+Mabus> in the old testament
[10:17] <+layla-> sounds isis
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[10:17] <+VirtualPreacher> in other words "they arent"
[10:17] <+Mabus> inother words they are
[10:17] <+VirtualPreacher> you know they arent.
[10:17] <+Mabus> i know they are
[10:18] <+Godric> some christians like to roll old school
[10:18] <+Mabus> there literally nothing in the new testament invalidating all of the old
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[10:18] <+VirtualPreacher> you have been exposed to the information that disproves that ridiculous claim so many times it is impossible to believe you are not just trolling with that comment
[10:19] <+Mabus> here come the liar accusations
[10:19] <+layla-> if u marry a xtian woman, yr children will be raised a christian
[10:19] <+Godric> layla- depends on how religious the woman is
[10:19] <@barabbas`> Mabus You aren't lying, you are just making statements from a position of ignorance that you believe are true.
[10:19] <+Mabus> barabbas... we will have to agree to disagree
[10:20] <+VirtualPreacher> i dont believe he believes it. that subject has been covered here so many times its not just a dead horse its dead horse putty.
[10:20] <+Mabus> see? :)
[10:20] <+VirtualPreacher> 1. in the law, God explicitly says the commands are *only for the children of Israel*
[10:20] <+Mabus> no one is ever wrong
[10:20] <+Mabus> they're lying :P
[10:20] <@barabbas`> Mabus Don't have to disagree, anyone who knows the Bible knows that Christians are not commanded to stone their children. Like I said if you are ignorant of this fact of Christianity, you can't be a liar for stateing what you believe, even if that belief is false.
[10:21] <+Mabus> barabbas, yeah the no true christian scottsman thing :)
[10:21] <+Godric> which commands?
[10:21] <+layla-> im a muslim n not religious. my son isnt religious too
[10:21] <+Godric> all of them?
[10:22] <+VirtualPreacher> 2. in the book of acts, the apostles had a massive sit down and came away with the rule. the only aspect of the law of moses applicable to gentiles is the prohibitions against idols, fornication, and blood.
[10:22] <+Mabus> vp... 1) the children of israel.. for christians should be anyone who becomes a christian
[10:23] <@barabbas`> Mabus If you say so. Just keep in mind that if you are unwilling to learn, as you appear to be, then don't expect to be taken serious in anything you say. I don't have a problem with that, but I prefer to chat with more the more informed and educated. God Bless
[10:23] <+Mabus> 2) that was written by followers of paul, not jesus
[10:23] <+VirtualPreacher> 3. the instructions regarding what to do in cases of transgressing members of the congregation involve 1. confrontation 2. reproof 3. expulsion.
[10:23] <+Mabus> barabbas, yeah i think between me and you... i'm taken more seriously :)
[10:23] <+Godric> was there any prohibition against rape?
[10:23] <+Mabus> and you know what you can do with your god bless
[10:24] <+Godric> or is that filed with fornication?
[10:24] <+Mabus> vp... and stoning to death
[10:24] <+layla-> mabus u are isis
[10:24] <+VirtualPreacher> if someone takes you seriously in matters regarding the bible i'd say they would have to be in need of a brain transplant.
[10:24] * +Mabus SCREAM
[10:24] <+Godric> Mabus is Mayo
[10:25] <+Jay2> it has to do with her upbringing
[10:25] <+VirtualPreacher> Godric there does not need to be an explicit prohibition against rape because that is already covered by love your neighbor.
[10:25] <+VirtualPreacher> "but there is no prohibition on cutting off noses!"
[10:25] <+Godric> so that command is OK... all the others not
[10:26] <+Godric> VP laws need to generally be specific
[10:26] <@barabbas`> Mabus I have been abundantly blessed by God. I pass on Gods blessing to anyone I can. So, yes indeed, I do know what to do with Gods blessing, that is to pass them on, like paying things forward.
[10:26] <+layla-> what do u understand by cutting off noses vo
[10:26] <+layla-> vp*
[10:26] <+Godric> peoples idea of what love is differs
[10:26] <+Mabus> barabbas, yeah we all know how god picks your lottery numbers for you.... and how you kept the money for yourself rather than giving it to the needy
[10:27] <+Godric> some people see whipping their children as love
[10:27] <+Mabus> i'm sure what god really intended was for you to buy a new house :)
[10:27] <+Godric> some see it as abuse
[10:27] <+Bob789> “I’ve had the reds, the blues and the pinks… one thing for certain, love stinks.   yeah yeah”
[10:27] <@barabbas`> Mabus May the peace of Christ be upon you and give you rest.
[10:27] <+Mabus> barabbas, god bless :P
[10:28] <+VirtualPreacher> Godric you want to tell the omnipotent creator of the universe he is doing it wrong thats on you. if somenoe needs it to "specifically" prohibit rape, then that is merely an indication that person's mind is corrupt and demented, and does not know Christ. if they can contend that raping someone is consistent with loving them they are probably not coming back from that chute they are sliding down.
[10:28] <+Jay2> not being able to understand the essence of christianity
[10:28] <+VirtualPreacher> Mabus what do you get from trolling people with guttersniping remarks? do you get paid for it? does it give you a thrill? what is it?
[10:29] <+Mabus> vp... he brought it up and made it the issue
[10:30] <+VirtualPreacher> Mabus so he has told you he has never helped people or did you just make that up to accuse him?
[10:30] <@barabbas`> VirtualPreacher Its ok, mabus is once again, as he does so often with the Bible, speaking from a position of ignornace and an unwillingness to listen and learn.
[10:31] <+VirtualPreacher> if that were all it was
[10:31] <@barabbas`> VirtualPreacher I don't fault him for this, it is part of his unborn nature.
[10:31] <+Godric> yeah shame on me for thinking independantly of someones opinion of what they consider an 'Omnipotant creator' has said and delcared
[10:31] <+Mabus> oh good grief lol
[10:31] <+VirtualPreacher> but when someone is shown over and over and over again how can they claim ignorance
[10:31] <+Mabus> the condecension in this room right now could float a boat :)
[10:31] <+layla-> thou shall not judge
[10:31] <@barabbas`> VirtualPreacher You can't teach the unwilling. Some just don't want to leave their comfort zone.
[10:31] <+Mabus> vp, i don't claim ignorance.. i claim disagreement
[10:32] <@barabbas`> VirtualPreacher You know the Bible says let those with the ears to hear, hear. This means that if you are unwilling to hear, you won't.
[10:33] <+Godric> mabus hears it
[10:33] <+Godric> he just dosnt agree with it
[10:33] <+lauchlin> Godric, simply accept that as an Atheist you are less worthy of wisdom, less capable of morality and just generally less than human. Christian love, nothing quite like it is there?
[10:33] <+Godric> hearing dosnt mean you agree with what is being broadcasted
[10:33] <+VirtualPreacher> actually in this context it does.
[10:33] <+VirtualPreacher> 1Jo 4:6  We are of God: he that knoweth God heareth us; he that is not of God heareth not us. Hereby know we the spirit of
truth, and the spirit of error.
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[10:34] <+Mabus> oh look, a bible verse... thats gauranteed to convince an atheist :)
[10:34] <+VirtualPreacher> what it is guaranteed to do is whatever God intends it to do.
[10:34] <+Mabus> uh huh
[10:34] <+VirtualPreacher> which will either be enlightening and edifying you, or condemning you.
[10:34] <+Mabus> again, as an atheist, wow... that totally convinces me
[10:35] <+Godric> yes.. what ever happenes, happens
[10:35] <+VirtualPreacher> it will inform you, or it will judge you.
[10:35] <+lauchlin> God being an arbitrarily abusive father apparently, question not for he shall break thine nose
[10:35] <+Bob789> or sit impotent
[10:35] <+VirtualPreacher> [09:35] <lauchlin> God being an arbitrarily abusive father apparently, question not for he shall break thine nose<----------------------I ask this be addressed according to the rules of the channel
[10:35] <+Bob789> lol
[10:35] <+lauchlin> heh
[10:35] <+Mabus> after you just spent an hour insulting people
[10:36] <+Mabus> we have a RULE VIOLATION!!!!!
[10:36] <@barabbas`> VirtualPreacher: Its like always relying on the OT to vilify Christians. THey don't understand that when Jesus fulfilled the law, life and death, unlike the OT, became a spiritual matter, not physical. Jesus, in all his teachings, is talking about the kingdom of God and what it takes
to get there. If a child, regardless of age, wants to know God and inherit the kingdom, they must die
[10:36] <@barabbas`> spiritually.
[10:36] * +Mabus rings the alarm bells
[10:36] <+lauchlin> Whatever
[10:36] <+Godric> Mabus quiet down guttersnipe
[10:36] <+Mabus> :P
[10:36] <@barabbas`> Mabus Why should the message change because an atheist is within hearing distance?
[10:37] <+lauchlin> Most Christians do not believe in an abusive God, some seem to differ.
[10:37] <+Mabus> it shouldn't change
[10:37] <+Mabus> it just won't convince them
[10:37] <+Godric> probably wont
[10:37] <@barabbas`> lauchlin Can you cite one instance from the NT where God smote the nose of anyone?
[10:37] <+lauchlin> Somethings are more worthy of being dealt with by the nose than the ear.
[10:37] <+Mabus> its like writting on a napkin that you are god... and when people don't believe you, you show them the napkin again :P
[10:37] <+Godric> Mabus one of these days
[10:37] <+Godric> its gonna work
[10:38] * +Mabus shows godric the napkin
[10:38] * +Godric thinks twice
[10:38] <+lauchlin> Barabbas, just a friendly reminder that unless you are communicating with me on a rules related issue I will not be replying to you. Sara_Ks has reaffirmed many times I have this right.
[10:38] <+VirtualPreacher> barabbas` they actually do understand. its not a matter of sincere confusion its a matter of deliberate intent to sow discord
and confusion.
[10:38] <+lauchlin> Period.
[10:38] <+lauchlin> Move on.
[10:38] * +Bob789 shows Godric a different napkin
[10:38] <+lauchlin> And God Bless.
[10:38] * +Godric gets torn
[10:39] <+lauchlin> Rewatching the 80s Heavy Metal movie, great animation
[10:39] <+lauchlin> good music
[10:39] <+Godric> heh
[10:39] <@barabbas`> VirtualPreacher: Perhaps, but I can't judge that. What I can judge is their statements against scripture to see their understanding or ignorance. I operate from a position of Father forgive them for they know not what they do. If they do know, that is on them. If they don't, then it is on me to edify, again according to scripture.
[10:39] <+lauchlin> Never saw Heavy Metal 2000
[10:39] <+Godric> you see the south park homage to Heavy Metal?
[10:40] <+Mabus> and the condecension and uglyness continues
[10:40] <+lauchlin> Godric, no
[10:40] <+layla-> hi lauchlin
[10:40] <+Godric> oh you should
[10:40] <+lauchlin> any good?
[10:40] <+Godric> yeah
[10:40] <+lauchlin> Hey Layla-
[10:40] <+Mabus> barabbas you are so full of jesus!!!!!!!!!!! :)
[10:40] <+Godric> like almost everything south park does
[10:40] <+lauchlin> Godric, then I shall download it
[10:40] <@barabbas`> Mabus Thank you
[10:40] <+Mabus> it wasn't a compliment :)
[10:40] <+layla-> so.many road blocks here
[10:40] <+lauchlin> SP is hit or miss for me, but sometimes they nail it out of the ballpark
[10:40] <+Godric> yeah
[10:40] <+Godric> i think SP gets better with age though
[10:41] <@barabbas`> Mabus I am glad you recognize this. too bad you don't follow up with that recongition.
[10:41] <+lauchlin> Yawn
[10:41] <+lauchlin> Godric, I agree
[10:41] <+Mabus> barabbas, i recognize the garbage coming out of your mouth about other people
[10:41] <+lauchlin> But the Passion of the Jew sp was priceless
[10:41] <+Mabus> you are a bundle of hate judgement and insults
[10:41] <@barabbas`> Mabus But as I told VP, there is nothing I can do about that, you are the one who must change your heart if you want your ears to hear and your understanding to begin.
[10:41] <+lauchlin> You know we don't have to talk to him right?
[10:41] <+Mabus> you could start behaving decently
[10:41] <+Mabus> or i dunno
[10:41] <+Bob789> WWJC?
[10:41] <+Mabus> maybe you can't
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[10:42] <+Godric> :-/
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[10:43] <+layla-> why keily
[10:43] <@barabbas`> Mabus I have behaved the same way that Christ did when faced with the dissenters in front of him. He used scripture, as I have. Since this is a Christian channel, and your comments have been about Christians, I feel fully competent to address you in like manner.
[10:43] <+Mabus> oh give it a rest
[10:43] <+Mabus> you've done nothing but put people down and act holier than thou
[10:44] <@barabbas`> Mabus If you don't like what Christians have to say,why are you here?
[10:44] <+Mabus> you are not a christian
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[10:44] <+Bob789> maybe you;re not all Christians
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[10:44] <+Bob789> LOL
[10:44] <+Mabus> certainly not of the jesus kind
[10:44] <@barabbas`> I will let God judge both our hearts.
[10:44] <+Mabus> you're just a condescending twit who uses god to bash people across the skull to make yourself feel better than others
[10:44] <+Mabus> i dunno maybe that is what a christian is.... but it shouldn't be
[10:45] <+Mabus> and you can stop doing it at any point
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[10:45] <+VirtualPreacher> Mabus whats funny?
[10:45] <+Mabus> barabbas you are not teaching anyone... you are and have been making comments about how ignorant and stupid everyone is
[10:46] <+Mabus> and again, you can stop at any time
[10:46] <+layla-> calm down now
[10:47] <+layla-> be at peace
[10:47] * @Keily looks at Mabus
[10:47] <+VirtualPreacher> [09:44] <barabbas`> Mabus If you don't like what Christians have to say,why are you here?[09:44] <Mabus> you are not a christian[09:44] <Mabus> you're just a condescending twit who uses god to bash people across the skull to make yourself feel better than others<------------------------I formally request that this kind of slandering personal attack against users be dealt with according to the rules of the channel
[10:47] <+Bob789> lol
[10:47] <+Mabus> formally? :P
[10:47] <+Bob789> isn’t all that channel business stuff supposed to be done in PM?
[10:47] <@barabbas`> Mabus I never called anyone ignorant or stupid. I did say when you make a statement about something that is wrong because of your lack of knowledge on such subjects you are speaking from a POSITION of ignornace, not that you are ignorant. In fact, Iwould say that your attempt to make God and Christians in your image by the way you have attacked me and expected me to bend to you will,
[10:47] <@barabbas`> shows a great deal of intelligence. Too bad you channel it in the wrong way.
[10:47] <+Mabus> barabbas ok now you are lying
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[10:48] <+Bob789> harder!
[10:48] <+Bob789> shake it harder!
[10:48] <@barabbas`> VirtualPreacher How can they be edified if they are kicked out of the channel for the insults?
[10:48] <+Mabus> oh boy :)
[10:48] <+VirtualPreacher> how can the channel edify anyone when it is used as a platform for slanderous accusations and trolling
[10:48] <+Bob789> LOL
[10:49] <+Raven`X> What about your insults barabbas`? Should you be kicked out of the channel?
[10:49] <+Banquo> barabbas` has called me ignorant and stupid several times
[10:50] <+VirtualPreacher> noting that someone is "ignorant" of a thing is not "insult".   accusign someone of taking the name of the Lord in vain as in "you say you are a christian but you are not" is serious as hell.
[10:50] <+Bob789> lol
[10:50] <@barabbas`> VP; HOw many times were false accusations brought against Christ. Did he kick them out of his house, or did he stick to scripture?
[10:50] <+Bob789> LOLOL
[10:50] <+Mabus> vp said hell.... i formally request the rule against swearing be enforced!
[10:50] <+VirtualPreacher> barabbas` he called them children of the devil and vipers and hypocrites. if I do what Jesus did in here, I will be permanently banned.
[10:50] <+VirtualPreacher> or so I am told
[10:51] <+Banquo> VirtualPreacher: don't even get me started on YOUR parade of insults
[10:51] <+VirtualPreacher> for "name calling" or whatever
[10:51] <+Bob789> yeah, because you’re just like Jesus   LOL
[10:51] <+Godric> lawdy
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[10:51] <+VirtualPreacher> Bob789 no. because the situation is the same, just different people.
[10:51] <+Bob789> LOLOL
[10:51] <+Bob789> whatever you like to spin, bucky
[10:51] <+Bob789> LOL
[10:52] <@Keily> Bob789, enough
[10:52] <+Banquo> heh
[10:52] <+Banquo> brb
[10:53] <+Bob789> sure, it’s funny enough without me…. do continue
[10:53] <@barabbas`> VirtualPreacher Jesus was also speaking to people of his religion, people who should have known better. The atheists are not in the same league as those he called vipers. Like I said earlier, they can't be lying if they are speaking from a position of ignorance, and believe what they are saying. The 'vipers' were not ingnornat of the law, they just didn't want to follow it. They had
[10:53] <@barabbas`> already bent it to fit their ends and saw that being challenged. I feel no such challenge here.
[10:53] <+Bob789> QED
[10:53] <+Mabus> barabbas here's the thing.. you've had every opportunity to be a positive force here... to stomp on the back biting and personal comments... but here you are.. instigating it... doing everything you can to continue it
[10:54] <+VirtualPreacher> barabbas` the only incidents in the NT where Jesus dealt with non jews are the woman at the well, and romans.
[10:54] <+Mabus> if you think this is godly you have issues
[10:54] <+Mabus> can we move on from it at long last?
[10:54] <+Mabus> because at the moment its just you and vp continuing it
[10:54] <+VirtualPreacher> if you want an example of an apostle dealing with a non believer that does what these people do, look at Paul responding to
elymus in acts 13
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[10:55] <+Godric> oo
[10:55] <+Raven`X> It's almost like someone just has to have the last word....
[10:55] <+Godric> this reminds me
[10:55] <+VirtualPreacher> 10  And said, O full of all subtilty and all mischief, thou child of the devil, thou enemy of all righteousness, wilt thou not cease to pervert the right ways of the Lord?
[10:55] <+Godric> that Scientology documentry is on HBO tonight
[10:56] <+Godric> if anyone has it
[10:56] <+Godric> cant wait
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[10:57] <@barabbas`> Vp here are my feelings on this, You and others have asked why I don't kick him for his insults. If I kicked him, I would be accused of using my op power to win an argument. Christ didn't use his power as God, he used, as I have, scripture to edify them. If all Christ did was kick out the people who disagreed with him who would be left? No, instead he sent his apostles out TO them.
[10:57] * +Mabus sighs
[10:57] <+Mabus> and continuing on
[10:58] <+VirtualPreacher> thats why I passed it on to every operator listed in the roster above
[10:58] <+VirtualPreacher> so you dont have to do it yourself
[10:58] <+Bob789> lol
[10:58] <+Raven`X> This is like the pot calling the kettle black then running to the stove to tattle.
[10:59] <+Mabus> heh heh it is
[10:59] <+Banquo> yup Raven`X
[10:59] <@Keily> Im going to start devoicing
[10:59] <@Keily> ok who's first?
[10:59] <+Banquo> ok
[10:59] <@barabbas`> VirtualPreacher Well, I don't feel abused or insulted. I bless them for giving me the opertunity to pass on the teachings of Jesus to the channel. I can just cast the seeds, I can't dictate whether they grow or not, that is up to them and God.
[10:59] <+Raven`X> ^
[11:00] <+Raven`X> Him?
[11:00] <+Mabus> let's start there?
[11:01] <@Keily> Mabus please behave
[11:01] * +Mabus SCREAMS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[11:01] <+VirtualPreacher> [09:59] <Raven`X> This is like the pot calling the kettle black then running to the stove to tattle.<--------no its like the guy that would rather tell some of these people exactly what they are, but who has been warned not to do so and to instead let ops handle it
[11:01] <+Mabus> or here
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[11:02] * blue0ne sets mode: +v calloption
[11:03] <+Godric> theeeeese people....
[11:03] * +Banquo nods at Godric
[11:03] <+Bob789> whatryagonnado?
[11:03] <+Banquo> ive made some suggestions Bob789 but no one listens to me :p