havoc thoughts M+

BIS trinkets for both builds:
https://www.wowhead.com/guide/classes/demon-hunter/havoc/bis-gear
If you're not raiding then u got 3 options between - either Windscar Whetstone \ Hunger of the Pack \ Algeth'ar Puzzle Box
If you're raiding then either Whispering Incarnate Icon \ Manic Grieftorch \  Storm-Eater's Boon (assuming u dont die from it).
Sim of some trinkets - https://gyazo.com/06f884ca7f7aae36c3f759c1c370bb4e

What about the Eye of Skovald?
- bait unless you don't have any other trinkets with high ilvl, check above gyazo clip to see difference compared to other trinkets.

What about Ruby Whelp?
- bait unless sims are not correct. keep in mind there’s no option for 7 days of training.
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/myxPMJcPy93bJPFqw4izyX
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/7L9SNLqdMPsvtA16sMmg2o

How much dmg % increase is 4-set?
- 2-set gives 5-6% more on ST, 4-set- adds on top of it extra 5-6%.

Which build should I use if I still don’t have any set yet?
- sets don’t change gameplay, only dmg increases, play w/e you are more comfortable with.

2 viable M+ builds:
1. https://gyazo.com/95162a807febb7f13ac46ba4b1d0f486 \ copy string BEkACnvaHJn8GSPD6tpaeczPThkkkkIlg0SSEJSrFBAAAAAAgkEEpQSUCSSaJBSgEA
momentum, bleed build. in some keys does like 5-12% more overall than GT build. (using on all fort keys and on tyra HOV, AA, AV and nokhund, why? explained below).

Personally I can add that this build is one of the hardest in the game in terms of rotation.
2nd build (below) is a way safer pick.

ST sim - 73.4k  https://gyazo.com/4f00d2d15a183125ae53f7f43d653aaf
AOE sim 5 targets - 244k https://gyazo.com/a6a2eb1c26b705cbe8ec57683903628c
AOE sim 10 targets - 377k https://gyazo.com/2730c091711c4f042548334ae539f017

What are the best stats for this build?
Most of the time it’s full crit+mastery. but might change if you go way high into "Diminishing returns". so the best answer is to always sim yourself.
My stats weight sim - https://gyazo.com/9b85493e246efbdecc6b3059dbd0a6ab

Rotation, my rules:
Sigil of Flame, Fel rush and throw glaive use pretty much on CD even on ST it's a dmg loss if you sit on 2 stacks. Before Eye Beam + Essence break you shouldn't press those 3 globals while you have 6 sec demonic uptime. try to fit 2-4 annihilations in that 6s window.
sigil of misery try to combine with eye beam + essence break + death sweep combo and with unbound chaos proc if possible.

Rotation ST with meta - https://clips.twitch.tv/SullenHappyGoshawkSeemsGood-5iteRSXsp2nnKIxU
Rotation AOE with meta - https://www.twitch.tv/stonefacetv/clip/AnnoyingWrongIcecreamCclamChamp-w5ETGcaYmCcv3m_G

2. https://gyazo.com/17fdd5dffd41b922d4f6c764995f57ff \ copy string BEkACnvaHJn8GSPD6tpaeczPTRCIhUC0SSSSCtWEAAAAAAAiEkWKkkUgQaRKSSkkkE
glaive tempest, shattered destiny build.
(all tyra keys build, except HOV, AA, AV and nokhund, why? explained below).

ST sim - 80.7k https://gyazo.com/fe6223c227e4104245ff5d18991316d7
AOE sim 5 targets - 235k https://gyazo.com/34f8ea2d4e562de90bc52e9640679b88
AOE sim 10 targets - 352k https://gyazo.com/7ef0c4ff95baa736b2b3d0b36c807cce

What are the best stats for this build?
Changes depend on the gear you have right now. for me personally 2 weeks ago mastery was showing the worst stat now is 2nd best secondary stat for me. so the best answer is to run stat weight sim and top gear sim whenever you change your gear or get a new item.
My stats weight sim - https://gyazo.com/bf49212ae55db75dc09ccf1da8bbfc3c

Personally I'd use this build even with any set. Also i can add that this build feels much smoother cuz no momentum playstyle, fel rush and vengeful retreat shouldn't be in DPS rotation it's just bad for class design. Also this build sims 8k more on ST compared to 1st one not sure if this build is better on both weeks, will test soon cuz we didn't have a scenario where we were doing the same key twice to compare both builds.

Rotation, my rules:
Glaive Tempest on cd, eye beam on cd, blade dance on cd, vengeful retreat on cd if it doesn't line with anything then literally not a big deal, essence break window only use in demon form. in 6s demonic window you always should get 2 death sweeps off cuz of shattered destiny talents, with lust even 3, sigil of misery try to combine with eye beam+essence break+death sweep combo and if possible with either unbound chaos proc or glaive tempest too

Rotation ST with meta - i'm not doing it perfect, so can advice to just check my VODs.
Rotation ST without meta  - https://clips.twitch.tv/HeartlessWrongSoymilkTheThing-y7_Bi7zUdl3-wmDn
Rotation ST without meta with BL - https://clips.twitch.tv/KnottySneakyKaleBatChest-_8yU5VccZ_MFyn6n
Rotation AOE with meta - i'm not doing it perfect, so can advice to just check my VODs.

My options to sim char:
ST - Patchwerk 1 boss \ 5min
AOE - Patchwerk 5 boss \ 2min
AOE - Patchwerk 5 boss \ 10min (optional)
AOE - Patchwerk 10 boss \ 2min (optional)
AOE - Patchwerk 10 boss \ 10min (optional)

Improved fel rush or isolated prey?
- IP for more ST, showed here sims comparison of these 2 talents VOD for reference https://www.twitch.tv/videos/1699257359?t=01h01m46s

In bleed build is it worth dropping [Looks Can Kill][Chaotic Transformation][Burning Hatred] to [Improved Fel Rush][Improved Chaos Strike][Demonic Appetite]?
- prob no, https://gyazo.com/16f4c1caaef72481d6b9cc05785595be

What better frozen devotion or sophic devotion?
- according to logs most of the ppl play with x2 sophic now.
also sim - https://gyazo.com/96911875a1da4f3d73df89843765ba28

What weapons to craft fist or warglaive?
- w/e, not a big deal. https://gyazo.com/55ef2318101481ec276736a97451800a

Flaring Cowl or Engi crit head?
- engi head better on AOE, cowl does 0.7-0.8% in overall kinda low so i just got fang embellishment instead and it does 0.3-0.4% but main reason why i dropped cowl is that i got 424 wrist otherwise i'd keep cowl and craft a engi wrist.

GT build vs ragefire no momentum and no AMN?
- not much difference, pref GT more cuz on 2 min sim GT like 1-2% better. if u dont like unbound chaos playstyle then use no GT build
https://gyazo.com/edb4425d7527120a70a6135d9c53aa44

TJS fortified build comparison
bleed - https://gyazo.com/f4dee605c67246d49aeed1a3cbeb4103
GT - https://gyazo.com/656d43176661a87c253cb7c3e36641c5

HoV tyra
why bleed build?
- pref bleed more, does like 5-7% more compared to GT. especially on pulls before 2nd boss you’re not able to hit all with GT cuz of frontals.

AA tyra
why bleed build?
- big pulls all the time, it’s just not that good to drop ragefire, you will deal like 7-12% less overall with GT build.

Nokhund tyra
why bleed build?
- overall too low with GT due to big pulls around the 3rd boss area.
GT - https://gyazo.com/de3f6c23a3c0e265e312a73d926e0b14
Bleed - https://gyazo.com/00b64fc57562736d29da8eee888c0d32




AV tyra
why bleed build?
- mobs aren't stuck to make it worth using GT, sometimes im having low overall dmg without bleed build
GT - https://gyazo.com/e3a6e41600a16af0385f69a963a2077b \ https://gyazo.com/dd7e5f5ddb849084e6e36fe5d5cb89e6
Bleed - https://gyazo.com/9d371352f586fed4276e44da04bbaa93 \ https://gyazo.com/f783091531eaa7ae4a50c26429e1f942









some info about nerfs we had before S1 DF release:
https://www.wowhead.com/news/upcoming-class-tuning-incoming-on-weekly-reset-global-tank-nerfs-330421
EB nerf is like extra 0.6% overall nerf. below are about the hunt\fodder and there are screenshots of EB dmg for reference.

https://www.wowhead.com/news/massive-class-tuning-on-next-reset-threat-buffs-havoc-dh-nerf-fire-mage-buffs-330277
the hunt nerf is like 0.6-0.8% overall nerf for 1st build and for 2nd build is like 0.3%-0.4% overall nerf.
https://gyazo.com/5b1c09c7bf752a2ae8226c02d2531da2  1st build the hunt dmg on beta before this nerf
https://gyazo.com/f7ed00bd4be1d5dc118c7be757e1fb3f  2nd build the hunt dmg on beta before this nerf
fodder nerf idk.

https://www.wowhead.com/news/upcoming-class-tuning-with-dragonflight-launch-havoc-dh-nerfs-protection-paladin-330111?webhook
Extra 10-15% overall dmg chunk. We're no longer S+ dps, we're below outlaw rogue and udk now, my tierlist https://pastebin.com/M2K2DPhZ
from that tierlist i can advise u to check some overall\ST breakdowns with some other specs that i played on beta, can defo make conclusion that with 394ilvl scaling we had on beta there's no point to bringing havoc in u just go x2 outlaw and either udk or wl unless havoc gonna catch up with full bis gear with 415-420ilvl which we'll see from march. i will be switching to tank prison once again if this spec is not meta.

https://www.wowhead.com/news/upcoming-class-tuning-on-weekly-reset-aoe-target-caps-added-hunter-buffs-329997
https://gyazo.com/80520f31d8e64d1b223290f4b4e93365 dmg from 15 academy and in that key u will feel diff it will be like 5-7% AOE loss. in other dungeons u probably wont see any diff at all, mby like 3-5% less in overall.

https://www.wowhead.com/news/large-nerfs-to-secondary-stat-gems-and-enchants-on-dragonflight-beta-329977
that enchants nerf is pretty huge overall 5-8% on every1 but havoc got 10-15% dmg chunk cuz of [Know Your Enemy] talent.