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Chat with Mabus: Voldemort, Fascism, Dignity

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  1. 1:01:28 PM→ InfiniteSpire has joined
  2. 1:01:28 PMⓘ new device sent to robert deniro - Trump blames media
  3. 1:01:38 PMⓘ Mabus set mode +v InfiniteSpire
  4. 1:01:54 PM Stopped ignoring Mabus!*@*
  5. 1:02:00 PM+InfiniteSpireMabus, are you about.
  6. 1:03:38 PM@Mabusinfinite... yes....
  7. 1:03:39 PM@ProfFarnsworthhttps://twitter.com/EdKrassen/status/1055550229079040000
  8. 1:04:10 PM+InfiniteSpireMabus, I have a short series of points that I don't think you'll be able to answer and that will make you angry.
  9. 1:04:22 PM@Mabusthen i am not interested in any of them
  10. 1:04:25 PM@Mabushave a nice day
  11. 1:04:56 PM+InfiniteSpireThat seems the quintessential anti-intellectual response.
  12. 1:05:07 PM+InfiniteSpireWhat if a series of points are Right and True, but they make you angry?
  13. 1:05:20 PM@Mabusits more of a quintissential anti-laniakiea response
  14. 1:05:22 PM@BlackXanthusInfiniteSpire: you were asked to move. I would suggest that you do.
  15. 1:05:23 PM+InfiniteSpireWhat should happen then? Should we suppress those points? Should we run for them? Or should we work on emoting differently.
  16. 1:05:43 PM+InfiniteSpireBlackXanthus: I suggest that you ensure every action you do in life is justice-oriented.
  17. 1:05:57 PMⓘ BlackXanthus set mode -v InfiniteSpire
  18. 1:05:57 PM* Mabus tries to pick his groceries using justice
  19. 1:05:59 PM@Mabuslol
  20. 1:06:09 PMInfiniteSpireBlackXanthus: I have put you on ignore for 30 days.
  21. 1:06:14 PM Ignoring BlackXanthus!*@*
  22. 1:06:32 PMInfiniteSpireReason: Impulsive responses and disdain for justice-seeking behavior.
  23. 1:06:45 PM@Mabusbx, its actually not against the rules :)
  24. 1:06:55 PMInfiniteSpireMabus: At the minimum, don't pick groceries with injustice in mind.
  25. 1:07:04 PMInfiniteSpireAnd, to the extent its possible, yes, think about justice when picking your groceries.
  26. 1:07:12 PMInfiniteSpireI think these are things you care about to some extent.
  27. 1:07:22 PMInfiniteSpireMabus: If I share these points, are you going to allow your anger to lead to action?
  28. 1:07:35 PM@Mabusbx... that doesn't sound like me
  29. 1:07:37 PMⓘ BlackXanthus set mode +b InfiniteSpire!*@*
  30. 1:07:54 PM@Mabusbx, i said you could tell a user who was disrupting an active topic to stop disrupting it :P
  31. 1:08:14 PM← kissa has quit (Ping timeout)
  32. 1:08:14 PMInfiniteSpireMabus, please undo BlackXanthus invalid and emotional ban.
  33. 1:08:14 PM@Mabusasking them to be helpful is wildly unrealistic :)
  34. 1:08:14 PM== Cannot send to channel
  35. 1:08:15 PM← AutoPirate has quit (Ping timeout)
  36. 1:09:04 PM@Mabusbx, thats wildly reaching. the question revolved around a user disrupting an active discussion with wildly idiotic "facts" about the exodus
  37. 1:09:09 PM@Mabususers can ban ops
  38. 1:09:34 PMⓘ BlackXanthus set mode -b InfiniteSpire!*@*
  39. 1:09:49 PMInfiniteSpireThank you for removing the invalid ban created by your emotions.
  40. 1:10:11 PMInfiniteSpireI think you should reflect on whether or not you possess a mind of sufficient character to wield such power.
  41. 1:10:17 PMInfiniteSpireRecommendation: Step down for 14 days.
  42. 1:11:56 PMInfiniteSpireArtistic encouragement: Watch 25 from West Wing where Jed Bartlett resigns his presidency after his daughter is kidnapped, as he is not in the proper state of mind for a president.
  43. 1:11:57 PMInfiniteSpirehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VFjHiNdjAz8
  44. 1:12:21 PMInfiniteSpireMabus: If I share these points, are you going to allow your anger to lead to action?
  45. 1:12:29 PM@Mabusabsolutely
  46. 1:12:31 PMInfiniteSpireMabus: My points will be straightforward philosophy.
  47. 1:12:49 PMInfiniteSpireMabus: To clarify, in your worldview, do you think some truth is unacceptable?
  48. 1:12:58 PMInfiniteSpireI'll make a deal with you.
  49. 1:13:10 PMInfiniteSpireI'll number my points and if a single point is false, then you can ban me for 24 hours.
  50. 1:13:12 PMInfiniteSpireDeal?
  51. 1:13:19 PMInfiniteSpireIf none of my points are false, you eat your anger.
  52. 1:13:26 PM@Mabuscan't i just ban you for 24 hours and be done with it? :)
  53. 1:13:36 PMInfiniteSpireIf you want to unjust, yes.
  54. 1:13:46 PM@Mabusjustice again, damnit!!!!
  55. 1:13:57 PM@Mabusok let's hear your first point
  56. 1:14:18 PMInfiniteSpire1 - You have expressed that you are deeply concerned about the global rise of the post-truth movement
  57. 1:14:33 PM@Mabusi never said that
  58. 1:14:41 PMInfiniteSpireI have a copy of you saying it
  59. 1:14:41 PM@Mabusi said fascism
  60. 1:14:46 PM→ QuBit has joined
  61. 1:14:47 PMInfiniteSpireLet me look at my copy
  62. 1:14:49 PMⓘ Mabus set mode +v QuBit
  63. 1:14:54 PM@Mabusyou have a copy of me saying hte words post truth movement?
  64. 1:15:00 PM@Mabusdid you write it yourself? :)
  65. 1:15:24 PMInfiniteSpireOkay, you didn't say "post-truth". I was wrong.
  66. 1:15:32 PMInfiniteSpireYou do say fascism, and you allude to the post-truth movement.
  67. 1:15:43 PM@Mabusthere is no seperate post truth movement
  68. 1:15:45 PM@Mabusits fascism
  69. 1:15:49 PMInfiniteSpireAgreed.
  70. 1:15:56 PMInfiniteSpireI think the post-truth movement is essentially fascist.
  71. 1:15:57 PM@Mabusnext point?
  72. 1:16:13 PMInfiniteSpire2 - You're concerned that global post-truth movement isn't just 'out there', but has found itself 'in here'
  73. 1:16:28 PMInfiniteSpirehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QK-Z1K67uaA
  74. 1:16:30 PMInfiniteSpireMusical interlude
  75. 1:16:31 PM@Mabusindeed
  76. 1:16:45 PM→ Plan has joined
  77. 1:16:53 PMⓘ Mabus set mode +v Plan
  78. 1:17:05 PMInfiniteSpire3 - There are specific chatters that visit this room that work directly and frequently to promulgate that fascist worldview
  79. 1:17:17 PM@Mabusagreed
  80. 1:17:17 PMInfiniteSpireI believe that, and you expressed you believe that.
  81. 1:17:25 PMInfiniteSpire4 - Some of those chatters are currently operators
  82. 1:17:34 PM@MabusI didnt say that
  83. 1:17:36 PMInfiniteSpireAgreed
  84. 1:17:49 PMInfiniteSpireThis is where I start my reasoning from your points
  85. 1:17:55 PM@Mabusfair enough
  86. 1:18:09 PM@Mabuslong as we agree thats your reasoning and not mine
  87. 1:18:29 PMInfiniteSpire5 - [e], brad70, and possibly THERetroGamerNY are three such chatters. (I haven't see enough of the chat of THERetroGamerNY to be sure)
  88. 1:18:53 PMInfiniteSpireThis point might be difficult for you, as you value hierarchies, from what I can tell
  89. 1:18:55 PM@Mabusinfinite... before you continue... i would prefer you keep names out of this
  90. 1:19:00 PMInfiniteSpireWhy?
  91. 1:19:04 PM@Mabuskeep it hypothetical
  92. 1:19:07 PMInfiniteSpireHow can we solve the problem if we don't name the problem?
  93. 1:19:10 PM@Mabusbecause i dont want to hva eto ban you :)
  94. 1:19:16 PMInfiniteSpireWhy would you have to ban me?
  95. 1:19:25 PM@Mabuskeep names out of it
  96. 1:19:35 PMInfiniteSpireYou have reiterated your worldview.
  97. 1:19:40 PMInfiniteSpireHow do you solve problems you can't name?
  98. 1:19:43 PM@Mabusif you believe some of our ops are fascists... keep it at that
  99. 1:19:56 PMInfiniteSpireMabus: Did you read the Harry Potter series?
  100. 1:19:58 PM@Mabusinfinite... i am not spending all day on this... either keep names out of it nad continue or move on
  101. 1:20:09 PM@Mabusi have not read harry potter
  102. 1:20:15 PMInfiniteSpireAre you familiar with Voldemort?
  103. 1:20:19 PM@Mabusno
  104. 1:20:33 PMInfiniteSpireHe's a powerful wizard who everybody is afraid to name, and by doing so he terrorizes everybody even in his absence.
  105. 1:20:47 PMInfiniteSpireThe story is about a boy who is on a Hero's Journey who can stand up to that unnameable enemy.
  106. 1:20:57 PMInfiniteSpireHe eventually says the name of the enemy, stands up to him, and defeats it.
  107. 1:21:04 PMInfiniteSpireThis story is a deep archetype for our species.
  108. 1:21:05 PM@Mabusbrad... there is, i dont think, any balance with fascism
  109. 1:21:21 PMInfiniteSpireMabus: I am that hero.
  110. 1:21:24 PMInfiniteSpireYou can be that hero, too.
  111. 1:21:30 PMInfiniteSpireBut it will hurt you at times.
  112. 1:21:40 PM@Mabusbrad... i did not mention you
  113. 1:21:43 PM→ Videla has joined
  114. 1:21:51 PMⓘ Mabus set mode +v Videla
  115. 1:21:54 PMInfiniteSpireMabus: Let me show you artistic inspiration.
  116. 1:22:03 PMInfiniteSpireDid you at least see the movies?
  117. 1:22:21 PMInfiniteSpirehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OPBkcMNnwX4
  118. 1:22:25 PM@Mabusinfinite.... enough..... you wanted some latitutde to make a point, you are no longer making that point, now you are on a tangent about naming individuals
  119. 1:22:26 PMInfiniteSpireI am Harry Potter in this scene.
  120. 1:22:34 PMInfiniteSpireI cannot defeat Voldemort.
  121. 1:22:42 PMInfiniteSpireBut I stand against him knowing it means my death.
  122. 1:22:42 PM× You have been kicked by Mabus (Mabus)
  123. 1:22:43 PM== Cannot send to channel
  124. 1:23:02 PM→ InfiniteSpire has joined
  125. 1:23:10 PM@Mabusinfinite.... time to move on
  126. 1:23:11 PMⓘ Mabus set mode +v InfiniteSpire
  127. 1:23:20 PM+InfiniteSpireMabus: How do you propose our societies work against the post-truth movement?
  128. 1:23:45 PM@Mabusi dont have an answer to that yet.... but i am beggining to suspect intolerance is part of the response
  129. 1:24:08 PM+InfiniteSpireYou are correct.
  130. 1:24:11 PM+InfiniteSpireTolerance varies by context.
  131. 1:24:24 PM+InfiniteSpireWhen Nazis are strong, we shoot them with rifles as they patrol Dachau.
  132. 1:24:35 PM+InfiniteSpireWhen Nazis are weak, we file legal briefs on their behalf so they can march.
  133. 1:24:44 PM@Mabusfascism is an attack on civilization the way a rape is an attack on an individual. you can't be tolerant of it
  134. 1:24:48 PM+InfiniteSpireWe're currently in a grey area in the middle where there's not as clear actions.
  135. 1:24:48 PM→ shoegazer has joined
  136. 1:24:56 PM+InfiniteSpireCorrect.
  137. 1:24:58 PMⓘ Mabus set mode +v shoegazer
  138. 1:24:59 PM+InfiniteSpireThat is a good analogy.
  139. 1:25:00 PM@Mabusheya shoe
  140. 1:25:12 PM+InfiniteSpireMabus: Did you see The Handmaid's Tale?
  141. 1:25:17 PM@Mabusindeed and i like your observation about legal briefs
  142. 1:25:20 PM@Mabusno i did not
  143. 1:25:22 PM@Mabussee that
  144. 1:25:33 PM+InfiniteSpireIt is one of the most important pieces of art in the last two years, in my view.
  145. 1:25:38 PM+InfiniteSpireAnd quite painful to watch, at times.
  146. 1:25:54 PM+InfiniteSpireThe time for aggressive resistance is much earlier than we were taught by our society.
  147. 1:26:05 PM@Mabusagreed there
  148. 1:26:10 PM+InfiniteSpireThe society in which you and I were raised, Mabus, was probably in a peaceful area where the solution is almost always something like 'That's free speech.'
  149. 1:26:20 PM@Mabusright
  150. 1:26:23 PM+InfiniteSpireWe weren't trained to know what to do when societies are in other parts of their lifecycles.
  151. 1:26:46 PM+InfiniteSpireMabus: There is a scene in the Handmaid's Tale where the fascist police use machine guns to shoot unarmed protestors.
  152. 1:26:56 PM+InfiniteSpireSo, armed resistance has to be before that.
  153. 1:27:10 PM+InfiniteSpireSo, armed resistance has to be in response to the removal of firearms, for example.
  154. 1:27:22 PM+InfiniteSpireThere's a good chance armed resistance was supposed to start aver the election of Trump.
  155. 1:27:27 PM+InfiniteSpireI don't know with certainty.
  156. 1:27:41 PM+InfiniteSpireOur society doesn't want to encourage violence, and so it tends to be biased to the fascists who have captured our governments.
  157. 1:27:59 PM+InfiniteSpireWe may already be at a point where we don't get to have anymore valid elections, but we're now two years into a fascist regime.
  158. 1:28:07 PM+InfiniteSpireWhere our institutions are weaker and our allies more distant.
  159. 1:28:20 PM@Mabusthe electronic ballot boxes are in fact being rigged
  160. 1:28:22 PM@Mabuswe know that
  161. 1:28:24 PM+InfiniteSpireYes.
  162. 1:28:29 PM@Mabusstates are being gerrymandered
  163. 1:28:29 PM+InfiniteSpireGeorgia is entirely invalid, for example.
  164. 1:28:40 PM@Mabusminority dem voters are being purged from voter rolls
  165. 1:28:47 PM@Mabuspolls in dem counties are being closed
  166. 1:28:49 PM@Mabusthats right now
  167. 1:29:07 PM+InfiniteSpireThe electoral college is allowing a minority faction to take the president, thereby appointing federal judges.
  168. 1:29:32 PM+InfiniteSpireThe structure of the Senate, with two votes to every state regardless of population, is allowing the Senate to confirm those justice.
  169. 1:29:47 PM@Mabuse gerrymandering changes whether the vote matters or not, in state elections. then when the senate and governor has been elected by a rigged vote... they can close polls in federal elections in dem counties, purge voter rolls etc
  170. 1:29:53 PM@Mabusbut it starts by gerrymandering the state
  171. 1:30:06 PM+InfiniteSpireMost Americans live in 'blue states', but the GOP still has a majority in the number of states where they're dominant.
  172. 1:30:14 PM@Mabusthe gop is doing it all over the country
  173. 1:30:31 PM+InfiniteSpireGerrymandering should be viewed as an attack on our country.
  174. 1:30:42 PM@Mabuse, it is the reason they are winning so much yes
  175. 1:31:04 PM+InfiniteSpire[e]: The GOP is a minority faction.
  176. 1:31:09 PM+InfiniteSpireIt represents about 45% of Americans.
  177. 1:31:22 PM+InfiniteSpireIt controls most governorships, the Senate, the House, the president, SCOTUS, and most state legislators.
  178. 1:31:28 PM+InfiniteSpireThis is unsustainable.
  179. 1:31:38 PM+InfiniteSpireEventually, Americans will get sufficiently annoyed and overthrow it.
  180. 1:31:47 PM+InfiniteSpireIt might take decades of suffering, or just years of suffering.
  181. 1:32:43 PM@Mabuse... not all of it. there are solid red states. but some of them have been solidly due to voter suppression yes
  182. 1:32:46 PM+InfiniteSpireFor this election in 3 weeks, 538 predicts 196 million Americans will be governed by 23.6 governors.
  183. 1:32:59 PM@Mabusgeorge just purged about 100,000 dem voters from voter rolls last month
  184. 1:33:03 PM@Mabusthis just happened there
  185. 1:33:04 PM+InfiniteSpireMeanwhile, 133 million Americans will be governed by 26.2 GOP govenors.
  186. 1:33:08 PM@Mabusthink thats not voter suppression?
  187. 1:33:12 PM+InfiniteSpire23.6 Democrat govenors*
  188. 1:33:15 PM@Mabusthink it does not affect the outcome?
  189. 1:33:27 PM+InfiniteSpireMabus: I think 10% of the population of Georgia has been culled from rolls.
  190. 1:33:38 PM+InfiniteSpireIt was at least 750k in the last four years of Kemp
  191. 1:33:44 PM+InfiniteSpireIt may have been as high as 1.3 million.
  192. 1:33:48 PM+InfiniteSpireI'd have to look it up.
  193. 1:33:59 PM+InfiniteSpireWant to hear something bothersome, Mabus?
  194. 1:34:07 PM@Mabuse.... it has happened. the reason is they are expecting a blue tidal wave of disaffected liberals who usually stay home there. they dont vote because they know its a red state.
  195. 1:34:14 PM@Mabusby purging them, they nullify them
  196. 1:34:19 PM+InfiniteSpireI can't say this with 100% certainty, but it is very likely that [e] is internally happy with these violations, as his faction is winning.
  197. 1:34:41 PM@Mabusinfinite.... stop with the name thing, stick to topics
  198. 1:35:05 PM+InfiniteSpireMabus: In debate, we're allowed to quote the person from the past, yes?
  199. 1:35:18 PM+InfiniteSpireIf I threw in a quote there instead of a summary, would you view that as a valid.
  200. 1:35:24 PM@Mabusinfinite... i am ready to ban you if i need to
  201. 1:35:48 PM+InfiniteSpireMabus: You are not acting in accordance with my dignity as a person.
  202. 1:35:57 PM@Mabusinfinite, thats a shame
  203. 1:35:57 PM+InfiniteSpireI am putting you back on ignore for awhile.
  204. 1:36:00 PM Ignoring Mabus!*@*
  205. 1:36:04 PM+InfiniteSpireThank you for the conversation today.
  206. 1:36:36 PM+InfiniteSpireIt is inappropriate to use threats of violence or force to compel speech.
  207. 1:36:41 PM+InfiniteSpireBoth here, and in our town centers.
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