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  1. [17:01] kangaskhario: alright modchat on?
  2. [17:01] &IronBullet: starting now
  3. [17:01] Silver122: ha
  4. [17:01] Silver_124567: k
  5. [17:01] Mike81401: ooh
  6. Moderated chat was set to +!
  7. Only users of rank + and higher can talk.
  8. [17:01] Wally was promoted to Room Voice by IronBullet.
  9. [17:01] &IronBullet: temporary promotion so he can participate GS / Redzone
  10. [17:01] @RedzoneX: noted
  11. [17:01] @Gross Sweep ?: okie dokie
  12. [17:01] @pIkAchUlOvEr98: why temp i like him he should be voice
  13. [17:01] +Wally: lmao
  14. [17:02] &IronBullet: i would but i don't have absolute dictatorship here unlike in rmt ;_;
  15. [17:02] &IronBullet: okay welcome to this teambuilding workshop everyone! we have a few cores prepared which we will build around over the next 1.5 to 2 hours
  16. [17:02] &IronBullet: thanks to everyone who submitted cores too, we'll pick some out of those
  17. [17:03] &IronBullet: after each team we'll remove modchat so you guys can provide feedback and discuss with us
  18. [17:03] &IronBullet: alright showtime gross sweep and redzonex
  19. [17:03] @RedzoneX: what's up first?
  20. [17:03] &IronBullet: i think something standard to start off should be good
  21. [17:04] &IronBullet: celex balance perhaps? GS suggested it in the PM
  22. [17:04] @Gross Sweep ?: yeah we can build that
  23. [17:04] &IronBullet: or specs koko which has been rising in popularity
  24. [17:05] @RedzoneX: you fine with celesteela + pex balance gs?
  25. [17:05] &IronBullet: yeah fine with me
  26. [17:05] @Gross Sweep ?: yeah
  27. [17:05] doubleswitches was promoted to Room Voice by IronBullet.
  28. [17:06] &IronBullet: okay so celepex covers a lot of the popular metagame threats between themselves
  29. [17:06] @RedzoneX: alright. so with celesteela and toxapex, we're going to have a balance team that will focus on having a strong defensive core to pivot around and maintain health throughout the match while pressuring our opponent with hazards like tspikes from pex,
  30. [17:06] @RedzoneX: as well as some wallbreakers we can use to deal with other bulky teams
  31. [17:06] &IronBullet: sounds perfect
  32. [17:07] &IronBullet: there are things out there that can beat both like rockium lando / bulu, heatran etc. so maybe we can look to patch up those first?
  33. [17:07] @RedzoneX: the two share some common weaknesses though, electric types like koko are a major problem for example
  34. [17:07] &IronBullet: and koko too yeah, and things with electric coverage like medi
  35. [17:07] @RedzoneX: yeah, we want to deal with the common threats to the core while maintaining our defensive strength
  36. [17:07] &IronBullet: cool
  37. [17:08] @Gross Sweep ?: yeah av tang is a pretty common pairing checking koko and rockium lando fairly well, also has eq to help with tran a bit so it doesn't switch in for free
  38. [17:08] &IronBullet: yeah i had bulu in mind as well but av tang ticks the boxes
  39. [17:08] &IronBullet: so some sort of defensive grass type in general fits well
  40. [17:09] Anna?KartanNa? was promoted to Room Voice by IronBullet.
  41. [17:09] &IronBullet: redzone thoughts on av tang and bulu?
  42. [17:10] @RedzoneX: i think av tang is fine as long as we're willing to add a breaker later for offensive pressure's sake
  43. [17:10] @RedzoneX: av tang also helps with zygarde which is a common issue for both cele and pex
  44. [17:10] +Anna?KartanNa?: i was suggesting adding zmove tapu koko and lokb, as they can both pressure mons that threaten celepex
  45. [17:10] &IronBullet: yeah definitely
  46. [17:10] +Wally: electric resist + the fact it pairs well with pex and celesteela, AV tang should be a good addition
  47. [17:10] @RedzoneX: so we'd run something like giga drain/eq/hp ice/knock off
  48. [17:10] &IronBullet: okay so AV Tang sounds good then
  49. [17:10] +Wally: !code
  50. See code...
  51. Celesteela @ Leftovers
  52. Ability: Beast Boost
  53. EVs: 252 HP / 132 Def / 124 SpD
  54. Relaxed Nature
  55. - Leech Seed
  56. - Protect
  57. - Heavy Slam
  58. - Flamethrower
  59.  
  60. Toxapex @ Black Sludge
  61. Ability: Regenerator
  62. EVs: 248 HP / 8 Def / 252 SpD
  63. Calm Nature
  64. - Scald
  65. - Haze
  66. - Recover
  67. - Toxic Spikes
  68.  
  69. Tangrowth @ Assault Vest
  70. Ability: Regenerator
  71. EVs: 252 HP / 28 Def / 228 SpD
  72. Sassy Nature
  73. - Giga Drain
  74. - Knock Off
  75. - Hidden Power Ice
  76. - Earthquake
  77. [17:10] &IronBullet: I will make an import of these teams btw so people can share
  78. [17:10] &IronBullet: oh nvm lol
  79. [17:11] +Wally: ^
  80. [17:11] &IronBullet: thanks wally
  81. [17:11] +Wally: np
  82. [17:11] +Anna?KartanNa?: you still need more of an offensive presence
  83. [17:11] &IronBullet: alright cele + pex + tang is definitely very solid but rather slow, so some offensive pressure is needed here
  84. [17:11] &IronBullet: yep
  85. [17:11] &IronBullet: rocks as well
  86. [17:11] @quziel: not too many issues aside from basically dying to 3 attacks zard-x
  87. [17:11] @RedzoneX: yeah, we certainly need an offensive presence, we also need rocks and ideally some hazard removal
  88. [17:11] +Anna?KartanNa?: thats why i was suggesting koko and kyub, but landorus is always a solid mon to use
  89. [17:12] &IronBullet: lando is a decent check to zard x and sets up rocks too
  90. [17:12] @RedzoneX: something like defensive lando as our rocker + balance breaker + scarfer could be a way to round out our 6
  91. [17:12] +doubleswitches: lando seems pretty cool here, you can prolly go either defensive or offensive
  92. [17:12] &IronBullet: very reliable and complements the core excellently
  93. [17:13] @RedzoneX: i like defensive lando here just because 3 atks zardx is such a threat to balance at the moment, and defensive lando is one of the few effective checks to it
  94. [17:13] &IronBullet: yeah that's fair
  95. [17:14] &IronBullet: although it does only leave 2 slots for wallbreaking, revenge killing and hazard control if we need it
  96. [17:14] @RedzoneX: for our mega slot, we could consider something like mmawile, since we want something that can pressure opposing stall, which is basically doing our plan but fully dedicating themselves to outlasting us
  97. [17:14] &IronBullet: what if we ran a scarfer that can take on zard x in the last slot with offensive lando instead?
  98. [17:14] +Wally: we also need a fast mon/scarfer for speed control
  99. [17:14] +Anna?KartanNa?: i think lefties tect lando can make use of tspikes well
  100. [17:15] +Anna?KartanNa?: but garchomp seems to be a cool scarfer here
  101. [17:15] @RedzoneX: i was thinking something like latios or kartana could be nice here
  102. [17:15] &IronBullet: i was thinking more along the lines of offensive z move lando / mega mawile and a scarfer
  103. [17:15] +Anna?KartanNa?: as well as also being able to beat pinsir / volc / zardx / etc
  104. [17:15] &IronBullet: not sure about kartana because that would really make the fire weakness a worry
  105. [17:15] +Anna?KartanNa?: that all really threaten the team
  106. [17:16] @quziel: tbh, could change tang to say sub-sd bulu, run defensive lando, and then go from there?
  107. [17:16] @quziel: and just make sure the scarfer doesn't make us weaker to specs koko than we already are
  108. [17:17] +Somani ?: yeah we could run soft checks to koko instead of the tang slot
  109. [17:17] @RedzoneX: hell we could maybe run our own zardx as the balance breaker, since that can switch into koko a time or two
  110. [17:17] +Anna?KartanNa?: garchomp has some really nice things it could add, and works well with toxapex and can soft check koko to an extent
  111. [17:17] +Wally: most of the reliable scarfers are weak to koko that being said tang can handle it
  112. [17:17] +Wally: also, suggested by The Hunters Prowl: you could go lando over tang then have an offensive koko switch in
  113. [17:17] +doubleswitches: i mean if we're worried about koko and we have a zard x a 56 hp set is an option
  114. [17:17] +Anna?KartanNa?: if it wants to click bolt vs cele or pex
  115. [17:17] +Somani ?: we're running lando anyway
  116. [17:18] @RedzoneX: alright so we gotta decide what route we want
  117. [17:18] &IronBullet: okay so bulu sounds like a good option to me seeing as it provides more offensive presence than tang while checking our threats decently
  118. [17:18] @RedzoneX: i agree with bulu + defensive lando here
  119. [17:18] +doubleswitches: isn't it defensive lando tho
  120. [17:18] +Wally: is it worth running both lando & tang? the team might be too passive, we need a breaker (mega mawile should be enough though)
  121. [17:18] &IronBullet: if we went cele / pex / bulu / lando with the last 2 for revenge killer and wallbreaker that's a decent setup
  122. [17:18] +Wally: bulu would be better as its a decent wallbreaker
  123. [17:18] &IronBullet: wally we are thinking of bulu over tang
  124. [17:19] +Wally: assuming you guys mean bulu > tang I totally agree
  125. [17:19] &IronBullet: okay
  126. [17:19] +Wally: yup
  127. [17:19] @RedzoneX: so we have to decide what we want as our breaker and our revenge killer and we're set
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  141. [17:19] +Wally: you suggested mega mawile as a mega right?
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  143. [17:20] &IronBullet: zard x is an option too
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  145. [17:20] @RedzoneX: mmaw is an option, given that we'd like to have some way to exert pressure on stall along with our hazards
  146. [17:20] @RedzoneX: zardx and maw both do that
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  148. [17:20] @RedzoneX: zardx also soft checks koko which is nice here, i personally like that
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  150. [17:20] &IronBullet: yeah was just going to say that
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  152. [17:21] +Somani ?: bulu kinda helps w stall allowing us to run zardx if we need to since zard would otherwise struggle w quag
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  154. [17:21] +doubleswitches: gives you 2 soft checks which should be good enough
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  156. [17:21] &IronBullet: which bulu are we doing with here btw
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  158. [17:21] &IronBullet: SD is a given but rockium / fightium?
  159. [17:21] +Somani ?: sub sd was what quziel suggested
  160. [17:21] @RedzoneX: i believe quziel mentioned sub sd?
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  162. [17:21] &IronBullet: ah fair
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  164. [17:22] +Anna?KartanNa?: so wait the team right now is lando + celesteela + pex + bulu + lando
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  166. [17:22] &IronBullet: yep sure
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  168. [17:22] &IronBullet: zard x anna, you have lando twice
  169. [17:22] @RedzoneX: we dont really need a zmove as much since zardx should pressure steels for us
  170. [17:22] +Anna?KartanNa?: true
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  172. [17:22] +Anna?KartanNa?: mb
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  174. [17:22] &IronBullet: no probs
  175. [17:22] +Anna?KartanNa?: if you are running zard then you need some form of hazard control
  176. [17:22] @RedzoneX: so we need a scarfer, some threats to the team we have to consider are volcarona, sg magearna, and the like
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  178. [17:22] +Wally: if we run zard X then we should consider adding zapdos or latios for hazard removal
  179. [17:19] +Wally: you suggested mega mawile as a mega right?
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  181. [17:20] &IronBullet: zard x is an option too
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  183. [17:20] @RedzoneX: mmaw is an option, given that we'd like to have some way to exert pressure on stall along with our hazards
  184. [17:20] @RedzoneX: zardx and maw both do that
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  186. [17:20] @RedzoneX: zardx also soft checks koko which is nice here, i personally like that
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  188. [17:20] &IronBullet: yeah was just going to say that
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  190. [17:21] +Somani ?: bulu kinda helps w stall allowing us to run zardx if we need to since zard would otherwise struggle w quag
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  192. [17:21] +doubleswitches: gives you 2 soft checks which should be good enough
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  194. [17:21] &IronBullet: which bulu are we doing with here btw
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  196. [17:21] &IronBullet: SD is a given but rockium / fightium?
  197. [17:21] +Somani ?: sub sd was what quziel suggested
  198. [17:21] @RedzoneX: i believe quziel mentioned sub sd?
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  200. [17:21] &IronBullet: ah fair
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  202. [17:22] +Anna?KartanNa?: so wait the team right now is lando + celesteela + pex + bulu + lando
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  204. [17:22] &IronBullet: yep sure
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  206. [17:22] &IronBullet: zard x anna, you have lando twice
  207. [17:22] @RedzoneX: we dont really need a zmove as much since zardx should pressure steels for us
  208. [17:22] +Anna?KartanNa?: true
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  210. [17:22] +Anna?KartanNa?: mb
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  212. [17:22] &IronBullet: no probs
  213. [17:22] +Anna?KartanNa?: if you are running zard then you need some form of hazard control
  214. [17:22] @RedzoneX: so we need a scarfer, some threats to the team we have to consider are volcarona, sg magearna, and the like
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  216. [17:22] +Wally: if we run zard X then we should consider adding zapdos or latios for hazard removal
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  218. [17:22] @RedzoneX: and we do also need hazard control
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  220. [17:23] +doubleswitches: yea
  221. [17:23] @RedzoneX: which suggests scarf latios to me
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  223. [17:23] +Wally: yeah what about scarf latios
  224. [17:23] +Anna?KartanNa?: i feel like chomper still seems like a really good scarfer here
  225. [17:23] +Wally: agreed
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  227. [17:23] +Anna?KartanNa?: but latios doesnt beat mage
  228. [17:23] +doubleswitches: scarf lati seems cool, gives you another soft zardy check and hazard removal
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  230. [17:23] +doubleswitches: you have soft checks to mage in zard x
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  232. [17:23] +Anna?KartanNa?: not if its sg
  233. [17:23] @RedzoneX: set would be pretty straightforward, draco/psyshock/defog/trick to cripple common switchins like chansey
  234. [17:23] +doubleswitches: uh...
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  236. [17:24] +Anna?KartanNa?: it just clicks ttackle
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  238. [17:24] +Anna?KartanNa?: but sure you can go lati
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  240. [17:24] +Wally: are we planning to use this lando set (leftovers + protect)?
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  242. [17:24] &IronBullet: yeah mag is a big issue here
  243. [17:24] +Somani ?: pex checks fairium z mage
  244. [17:24] +Wally: !code
  245. See code...
  246. Landorus-Therian @ Leftovers
  247. Ability: Intimidate
  248. EVs: 252 HP / 216 Def / 24 SpD / 16 Spe
  249. Impish Nature
  250. - Stealth Rock
  251. - Earthquake
  252. - Hidden Power Ice
  253. - Protect
  254. [17:24] +doubleswitches: 252 SpA Magearna All-Out Pummeling (190 BP) vs. 0 HP / 0 SpD Charizard-Mega-X: 238-280 (80.1 - 94.2%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
  255. [17:24] +Anna?KartanNa?: but mage will be a huge problem if rocks are up
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  257. [17:24] +Anna?KartanNa?: and defog scarf lati can be setup fodder for a lot of things
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  259. [17:24] &IronBullet: definitely
  260. [17:24] +Anna?KartanNa?: that normally it would kill
  261. [17:24] +Anna?KartanNa?: like volc
  262. [17:24] +doubleswitches: i mean...they're defo gonna be up if we run scarf lati, and chomp is still outsped by mage
  263. [17:25] +doubleswitches: at +2
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  265. [17:25] +doubleswitches: if we run chomp
  266. [17:25] +doubleswitches: *
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  268. [17:25] +Anna?KartanNa?: not like lati can do much to mage either but
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  270. [17:25] @RedzoneX: to me i see it as either we go scarf lati, or we abandon a scarfer period and use something like zapdos
  271. [17:25] +Somani ?: pex is solid vs a lot of mage sets
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  273. [17:25] +doubleswitches: ^
  274. [17:25] @RedzoneX: i personally prefer having a safety button against stuff like volc
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  276. [17:26] +Somani ?: but yea we could run an alternate fogger and then run psychic weak berry on pex
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  278. [17:26] +Somani ?: the other option is using bandtar and not zard x, and then running a mon like defog sciz, possibly w some hidden power like fire over uturn
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  280. [17:27] +A: greetings friends
  281. [17:27] +doubleswitches: alright i think itd be easier just to run like mew/clef as a defogger, then frees up offensive lando
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  283. [17:27] +A: what's the current team so far
  284. [17:27] +doubleswitches: since we don't need a zyg/chomp w/e check
  285. [17:27] &IronBullet: A it's cele / pex / lando / zard x / bulu
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  287. [17:27] +Wally: !code
  288. See code...
  289. Celesteela @ Leftovers
  290. Ability: Beast Boost
  291. EVs: 252 HP / 132 Def / 124 SpD
  292. Relaxed Nature
  293. - Leech Seed
  294. - Protect
  295. - Heavy Slam
  296. - Flamethrower
  297.  
  298. Toxapex @ Black Sludge
  299. Ability: Regenerator
  300. EVs: 248 HP / 8 Def / 252 SpD
  301. Calm Nature
  302. - Scald
  303. - Haze
  304. - Recover
  305. - Toxic Spikes
  306.  
  307. Charizard @ Charizardite X
  308. Ability: Blaze
  309. EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
  310. Jolly Nature
  311. - Flare Blitz
  312. - Dragon Claw
  313. - Earthquake
  314. - Roost
  315.  
  316. Tapu Bulu @ Life Orb
  317. Ability: Grassy Surge
  318. EVs: 252 Atk / 4 Def / 252 Spe
  319. Adamant Nature
  320. - Swords Dance
  321. - Substitute
  322. - Horn Leech
  323. - Superpower
  324.  
  325. Landorus-Therian @ Leftovers
  326. Ability: Intimidate
  327. EVs: 252 HP / 216 Def / 24 SpD / 16 Spe
  328. Impish Nature
  329. - Stealth Rock
  330. - Earthquake
  331. - Hidden Power Ice
  332. - Protect
  333. [17:27] +Wally: it should be like this, also is bulu our z move user?
  334. [17:27] &IronBullet: we need a revenge killer and defogger still, having trouble compressing into one
  335. [17:28] &IronBullet: no z move user wally
  336. [17:28] &IronBullet: bulu is Sub SD
  337. [17:28] +Wally: k
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  339. [17:28] +Wally: item?
  340. [17:28] &IronBullet: lo
  341. [17:28] @RedzoneX: LO
  342. [17:28] +Wally: alright
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  344. [17:28] +Anna?KartanNa?: ok so
  345. [17:28] +Somani ?: honestly run jolly bulu
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  347. [17:28] +Anna?KartanNa?: honestly
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  349. [17:28] +A: scarf latias sounds the way to go on this squad
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  351. [17:28] +Anna?KartanNa?: you can run more SpD on cele
  352. [17:28] +Anna?KartanNa?: to help with mage
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  354. [17:29] +Anna?KartanNa?: i think that considering zen headbutt on bulu could work
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  356. [17:29] +Anna?KartanNa?: because mvenu is a pain
  357. [17:29] &IronBullet: yeah scarf latios isn't ideal but it patches some stuff up
  358. [17:29] +Anna?KartanNa?: right now
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  360. [17:29] +A: could turn lando-t into z fly
  361. [17:30] +doubleswitches: yea
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  363. [17:30] @RedzoneX: z fly lando + mew as defogger
  364. [17:30] &IronBullet: guys lets decide on the last mon first
  365. [17:30] +A: and you dont have to jump through hoops with bulu
  366. [17:30] @RedzoneX: seems like nice balance to me.
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  368. [17:30] &IronBullet: then we can discuss moves
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  370. [17:30] +doubleswitches: i was suggesting going mew/clef and then going off lando
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  372. [17:30] +Anna?KartanNa?: alright welll
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  374. [17:30] @RedzoneX: lets us maintain offensive pressure, keeps us with a solid answer to zygarde
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  376. [17:30] +Anna?KartanNa?: celesteela + bulu + mew
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  378. [17:30] &IronBullet: z fly lando + mew sounds good to me
  379. [17:30] +A: yeah you could just ditch having a scarfer and go mew
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  381. [17:30] +Anna?KartanNa?: is really nice synergy
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  383. [17:31] +A: can we go earth power ice beam to prevent heatran from being very annoying and it also stunts on magnezone diancie cores
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  385. [17:31] @RedzoneX: toxapex / celesteela / sub sd bulu / mew / offensive lando with fly-z / 3 atks roost megazard x
  386. [17:31] @RedzoneX: is the team structure
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  388. [17:31] @RedzoneX: i assume IronBullet is working on the pastebin, but do we want to wrap this up and open it up to public discussion?
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  390. [17:31] @RedzoneX: keep things moving and all
  391. [17:31] +Wally: defog mew to support zard X, it sounds good
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  393. [17:31] &IronBullet: wally you have the import right?
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  395. [17:31] +Wally: sure, lemme display it
  396. [17:31] +Anna?KartanNa?: i dont see a solid wincon rn
  397. [17:31] &IronBullet: cool
  398. [17:31] +Anna?KartanNa?: you could run
  399. [17:32] &IronBullet: zard x anna
  400. [17:32] &IronBullet: and sd bulu
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  402. [17:32] +Anna?KartanNa?: dd zard
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  404. [17:32] +A: or sub sd bulu if it ever goes to that
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  406. [17:32] &IronBullet: we have 2 wincons
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  408. [17:32] +Anna?KartanNa?: because you are still slow
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  410. [17:32] +A: dd zard is an iffy boy especially since we dont even have speed control for the faster scarfers
  411. [17:32] +A: 3 attacks roost is fine
  412. [17:32] +Wally: flyinium lando right?
  413. [17:32] +A: ye
  414. [17:32] +Wally: ok
  415. [17:32] +A: offensive sr wally
  416. [17:32] @RedzoneX: right
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  418. [17:33] +Wally: !code
  419. See code...
  420. Celesteela @ Leftovers
  421. Ability: Beast Boost
  422. EVs: 252 HP / 132 Def / 124 SpD
  423. Relaxed Nature
  424. - Leech Seed
  425. - Protect
  426. - Heavy Slam
  427. - Flamethrower
  428.  
  429. Toxapex @ Black Sludge
  430. Ability: Regenerator
  431. EVs: 248 HP / 8 Def / 252 SpD
  432. Calm Nature
  433. - Scald
  434. - Haze
  435. - Recover
  436. - Toxic Spikes
  437.  
  438. Charizard @ Charizardite X
  439. Ability: Blaze
  440. EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
  441. Jolly Nature
  442. - Flare Blitz
  443. - Dragon Claw
  444. - Earthquake
  445. - Roost
  446.  
  447. Tapu Bulu @ Life Orb
  448. Ability: Grassy Surge
  449. EVs: 252 Atk / 4 Def / 252 Spe
  450. Adamant Nature
  451. - Swords Dance
  452. - Substitute
  453. - Horn Leech
  454. - Superpower
  455.  
  456. Landorus-Therian @ Flyinium Z
  457. Ability: Intimidate
  458. EVs: 252 Atk / 4 Def / 252 Spe
  459. Adamant Nature
  460. - Earthquake
  461. - Fly
  462. - Swords Dance
  463. - Stealth Rock
  464.  
  465. Mew @ Leftovers
  466. Ability: Synchronize
  467. EVs: 240 HP / 156 Def / 112 Spe
  468. Timid Nature
  469. - Ice Beam
  470. - Will-O-Wisp
  471. - Soft-Boiled
  472. - Defog
  473.  
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  475. [17:33] +Anna?KartanNa?: you could run dd roost WoW
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  477. [17:33] +A: um
  478. [17:33] @RedzoneX: alright that's the team as it stands
  479. [17:33] +A: what is that
  480. [17:33] +Wally: someone suggested jolly bulu
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  482. [17:33] +Wally: thoughts?
  483. [17:33] +A: yeah go jolly bulu
  484. [17:33] +doubleswitches: yea
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  486. [17:33] &IronBullet: yeah fine
  487. [17:33] +Wally: k
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  489. Anyone may talk now.
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  491. [17:33] Pancakes_FTW: am i late
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  493. [17:33] +A: also thoughts on this mew
  494. [17:33] KahunaKiawe: whew
  495. [17:33] +A: !code
  496. See code...
  497. Mew @ Leftovers
  498. Ability: Synchronize
  499. EVs: 184 HP / 140 Def / 184 Spe
  500. Timid Nature
  501. IVs: 0 Atk
  502. - Ice Beam
  503. - Earth Power
  504. - Roost
  505. - Defog
  506. [17:33] AShowdownMoron: nice team.
  507. [17:33] AM: boobies
  508. [17:33] @RedzoneX: PUBLIC DISCUSSION
  509. [17:33] @RedzoneX: DISCUSS
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  511. [17:34] creepercomix123: http://pokepast.es/4fbda95fb294c211 i like this team
  512. [17:34] KawaiiGastrodonYT: Uh
  513. [17:34] KahunaKiawe: magearna recks
  514. [17:34] Umbachhia: Thats alot of legends
  515. [17:34] Batcon: whats one plus one
  516. [17:34] AShowdownMoron: you dont mind if i take all the teams you make right?
  517. [17:34] KawaiiGastrodonYT: Kinda weak to mamo
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  519. [17:34] Dramel: So how do you identify a win condition?
  520. [17:34] KawaiiGastrodonYT: tbh
  521. [17:34] KahunaKiawe: RedzoneX and IronBullet
  522. [17:34] Pancakes_FTW: darn i'm 30 mins late what's the team again?
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  524. [17:34] KahunaKiawe: pls notice
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  526. [17:34] +A: earth power mew eases mu vs groundium heatran which can literally troll a good portion of the team
  527. [17:34] @RedzoneX: feel free AShowdownMoron
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  529. [17:34] AShowdownMoron: K thx
  530. [17:34] +doubleswitches: id take ep mew
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  532. [17:34] +A: and it can also destroy magnezone which can trap celes and then diancie starts winning
  533. [17:34] @RedzoneX: these teams are for the people :D
  534. [17:34] &IronBullet: please don't just give 1 line answers, we'd like some constructive feedback
  535. [17:34] Scoppolino: aside from the absolute confusion the team is weak to serious stall
  536. [17:34] +A: Scoppolino z fly lando can ease that a bit
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  538. [17:34] +A: could go smack
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  540. [17:34] +doubleswitches: there is a sub bulu
  541. [17:34] kuwisi: I realised I'm really out of my depth
  542. [17:34] +A: that too
  543. [17:34] The Hunters Prowl?: im curios about dd roost wow zard x
  544. [17:34] @RedzoneX: zardx and bulu pressure stall a ton between then
  545. [17:34] +doubleswitches: how are you weak to stall
  546. [17:34] @RedzoneX: *them
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  548. [17:34] Shaka14: how does the team beat stall ?
  549. [17:34] SickestTrixBoiz: Like Anna said, wouldnt Zen be better on Bulu to nail MVenu and Toxa
  550. [17:34] +doubleswitches: sub sd bulu
  551. [17:35] &IronBullet: its not dd roost wow, it's dd 3 attacks
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  553. [17:35] KawaiiGastrodonYT: Iron? I kinda feel that scarf Mamo can rip holes in the team like maybe add a counter, Its not seen alot but I might run if soon for those pokes
  554. [17:35] +A: zard x and bulu as well as offensive lando-t give pressure vs stall
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  556. [17:35] +A: KawaiiGastrodonYT scarf mamo isnt a thing though .v.
  557. [17:35] The Hunters Prowl?: i mean annas suggestion iron bullet
  558. [17:35] C9 NxtLvl: there's SD bulu and a Zard X that's already a physical nuke as is
  559. [17:35] KahunaKiawe: guys first of all magearna recks fleur cannon shift gear tbolt and calm mind/ice beam magearna recks pls add something for it [z fleur cannnon]
  560. [17:35] C9 NxtLvl: you'll be fine
  561. [17:35] +Anna?KartanNa?: bulu by itself can beat stall
  562. [17:35] KawaiiGastrodonYT: oops
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  564. [17:35] +Wally: earthquake/dd/dclaw/flare blitz IronBullet?
  565. [17:35] KawaiiGastrodonYT: or life orb
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  567. [17:35] DaBest(NotReally): can magearna be a problem?
  568. [17:35] KahunaKiawe: hello any reply to my question ?
  569. [17:35] +Wally: !code
  570. See code...
  571. Celesteela @ Leftovers
  572. Ability: Beast Boost
  573. EVs: 252 HP / 132 Def / 124 SpD
  574. Relaxed Nature
  575. - Leech Seed
  576. - Protect
  577. - Heavy Slam
  578. - Flamethrower
  579.  
  580. Toxapex @ Black Sludge
  581. Ability: Regenerator
  582. EVs: 248 HP / 8 Def / 252 SpD
  583. Calm Nature
  584. - Scald
  585. - Haze
  586. - Recover
  587. - Toxic Spikes
  588.  
  589. Charizard @ Charizardite X
  590. Ability: Blaze
  591. EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
  592. Jolly Nature
  593. - Flare Blitz
  594. - Dragon Claw
  595. - Earthquake
  596. - Dragon Dance
  597.  
  598. Tapu Bulu @ Life Orb
  599. Ability: Grassy Surge
  600. EVs: 252 Atk / 4 Def / 252 Spe
  601. Jolly Nature
  602. - Swords Dance
  603. - Substitute
  604. - Horn Leech
  605. - Superpower
  606.  
  607. Landorus-Therian @ Flyinium Z
  608. Ability: Intimidate
  609. EVs: 252 Atk / 4 Def / 252 Spe
  610. Adamant Nature
  611. - Earthquake
  612. - Fly
  613. - Swords Dance
  614. - Stealth Rock
  615.  
  616. Mew @ Leftovers
  617. Ability: Synchronize
  618. EVs: 240 HP / 156 Def / 112 Spe
  619. Timid Nature
  620. - Ice Beam
  621. - Will-O-Wisp
  622. - Soft-Boiled
  623. - Defog
  624.  
  625. [17:35] creepercomix123: it has good setters along with offensive and defensive pokes. really good guys
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  627. [17:35] +Wally: (import)
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  629. [17:35] +A: KahunaKiawe between toxapex and steela magearna shouldnt be too destructive
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  631. [17:35] +A: Wally change wisp to earth power
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  633. [17:35] +Wally: k
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  635. [17:35] @RedzoneX: magearna is a threat but its zmoves can be played around between toxapex/celes/zardx
  636. [17:35] +doubleswitches: wally, imo change to as mew
  637. [17:35] +doubleswitches: nvm
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  639. [17:36] +Wally: for heatran right?
  640. [17:36] +A: use 184 HP 140 def 184 spe
  641. [17:36] KahunaKiawe: A but shift gear magearna tbolts
  642. [17:36] +Wally: ok
  643. [17:36] Eipic: how this team handles tapu koko?
  644. [17:36] +A: beats tran zone and can beat sg mage
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  646. [17:36] Stegozor: yes Wally
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  648. [17:36] C9 NxtLvl: I might use DD over EQ on Zard considering the grassy terrain from bulu though
  649. [17:36] Akku'rath: I believe , Thundy-I NP sweeps this team (NP Fightnium Z)
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  651. [17:36] KahunaKiawe: lemme just calc
  652. [17:36] @RedzoneX: Eipic soft checking it with zardx + bulu
  653. [17:36] +A: KahunaKiawe sp.def specs stomachs those fine
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  655. [17:36] SiTuM.: why does lando sd smack down
  656. [17:36] SiTuM.: 6-0 the team
  657. [17:36] +Anna?KartanNa?: here is the dd roost wow zard i was talking about
  658. [17:36] +Anna?KartanNa?: !code
  659. See code...
  660. Charizard-Mega-X @ Charizardite X
  661. Ability: Blaze
  662. EVs: 248 HP / 136 SpD / 124 Spe
  663. Careful Nature
  664. - Dragon Dance
  665. - Fire Punch
  666. - Will-O-Wisp
  667. - Roost
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  669. [17:36] @quziel: thundy-i luckily isn't common, but team is slow as fuck, and doesnt' really have counterplay against anything it doesn't wall
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  671. [17:36] +A: quziel just bulu it ez
  672. [17:37] +Anna?KartanNa?: it is really solid and can take advantage of tspikes and cripple phys attackers
  673. [17:37] Eipic: could I run 310 speed on mew?
  674. [17:37] +A: yeah Eipic
  675. [17:37] +A: use 184 HP 140 def 184 spe
  676. [17:37] +A: timid
  677. [17:37] hignog: volc answers?
  678. [17:37] +Anna?KartanNa?: as well as boost up and sweep entire teams
  679. [17:37] Pancakes_FTW: looks semi weak to sg boltbeam mage if mage can set up
  680. [17:37] Mike81401: I personally run Flare Blitz/DClaw/EQ on my DD Zard X
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  682. [17:37] KahunaKiawe: 252 SpA Magearna Thunderbolt vs. 252 HP / 252 SpD Toxapex: 122-144 (40.1 - 47.3%) -- guaranteed 3HKO goood reallly good
  683. [17:37] Pancakes_FTW: i run roost on zardx
  684. [17:37] +Wally: !code
  685. See code...
  686. Celesteela @ Leftovers
  687. Ability: Beast Boost
  688. EVs: 252 HP / 132 Def / 124 SpD
  689. Relaxed Nature
  690. - Leech Seed
  691. - Protect
  692. - Heavy Slam
  693. - Flamethrower
  694.  
  695. Toxapex @ Black Sludge
  696. Ability: Regenerator
  697. EVs: 248 HP / 8 Def / 252 SpD
  698. Calm Nature
  699. - Scald
  700. - Haze
  701. - Recover
  702. - Toxic Spikes
  703.  
  704. Charizard-Mega-X @ Charizardite X
  705. Ability: Blaze
  706. EVs: 248 HP / 136 SpD / 124 Spe
  707. Careful Nature
  708. - Dragon Dance
  709. - Fire Punch
  710. - Will-O-Wisp
  711. - Roost
  712.  
  713. Tapu Bulu @ Life Orb
  714. Ability: Grassy Surge
  715. EVs: 252 Atk / 4 Def / 252 Spe
  716. Jolly Nature
  717. - Swords Dance
  718. - Substitute
  719. - Horn Leech
  720. - Superpower
  721.  
  722. Landorus-Therian @ Flyinium Z
  723. Ability: Intimidate
  724. EVs: 252 Atk / 4 Def / 252 Spe
  725. Adamant Nature
  726. - Earthquake
  727. - Fly
  728. - Swords Dance
  729. - Stealth Rock
  730.  
  731. Mew @ Leftovers
  732. Ability: Synchronize
  733. EVs: 184 HP / 140 Def / 184 Spe
  734. Timid Nature
  735. - Ice Beam
  736. - Will O Wisp
  737. - Soft-Boiled
  738. - Defog
  739.  
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  741. [17:37] +Wally: (updated)
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  743. [17:37] KahunaKiawe: good team made by u guys
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  745. [17:37] +A: KahunaKiawe calm
  746. Zeusen and ReaperClops left
  747. [17:37] rb220: Wally no ep yet tho?
  748. [17:37] +A: mage only does like 35 ish
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  750. [17:37] +A: you forgot calm on pex and there's black sludge
  751. [17:37] C9 NxtLvl: this team kinda gets nuked by scarf lele when cele is down tbh
  752. [17:37] +Wally: ep mew?
  753. [17:37] @quziel: I'd really suggest against that zard set
  754. [17:38] +A: earth power mew Wally
  755. [17:38] +Wally: k
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  757. [17:38] +Wally: earth power over wisp?
  758. [17:38] Stegozor: ye
  759. [17:38] +A: C9 NxtLvl earth power mew can prevent zone from going all in vs celesteela
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  761. [17:38] C9 NxtLvl: fair
  762. [17:38] +Wally: are you guys fine with this will o wisp zard X set?
  763. [17:38] Scoppolino: i think there is no speed control, z bond greninja is a serious check
  764. [17:38] +Anna?KartanNa?: epower mew also can deal with tran, which is the only real threat to that zard set
  765. [17:38] +doubleswitches: uh... what is this zard x set
  766. [17:38] +A: that zard x set
  767. [17:38] Mike81401: blame anna
  768. [17:38] @quziel: I am not ok with that zard-x set
  769. Adri989898 joined
  770. [17:38] +A: ,,
  771. [17:38] +Anna?KartanNa?: doubleswitches i just explained it
  772. [17:38] SickestTrixBoiz: i feel like normal ddance+roost would work better
  773. [17:38] +Wally: !code
  774. See code...
  775. Celesteela @ Leftovers
  776. Ability: Beast Boost
  777. EVs: 252 HP / 132 Def / 124 SpD
  778. Relaxed Nature
  779. - Leech Seed
  780. - Protect
  781. - Heavy Slam
  782. - Flamethrower
  783.  
  784. Toxapex @ Black Sludge
  785. Ability: Regenerator
  786. EVs: 248 HP / 8 Def / 252 SpD
  787. Calm Nature
  788. - Scald
  789. - Haze
  790. - Recover
  791. - Toxic Spikes
  792.  
  793. Charizard @ Charizardite X
  794. Ability: Blaze
  795. EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
  796. Jolly Nature
  797. - Flare Blitz
  798. - Dragon Claw
  799. - Earthquake
  800. - Dragon Dance
  801.  
  802. Tapu Bulu @ Life Orb
  803. Ability: Grassy Surge
  804. EVs: 252 Atk / 4 Def / 252 Spe
  805. Jolly Nature
  806. - Swords Dance
  807. - Substitute
  808. - Horn Leech
  809. - Superpower
  810.  
  811. Landorus-Therian @ Flyinium Z
  812. Ability: Intimidate
  813. EVs: 252 Atk / 4 Def / 252 Spe
  814. Adamant Nature
  815. - Earthquake
  816. - Fly
  817. - Swords Dance
  818. - Stealth Rock
  819.  
  820. Mew @ Leftovers
  821. Ability: Synchronize
  822. EVs: 184 HP / 140 Def / 184 Spe
  823. Timid Nature
  824. - Ice Beam
  825. - Earth Power
  826. - Soft-Boiled
  827. - Defog
  828.  
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  830. [17:39] abk?1997??: can we run offense zard x too ?
  831. [17:39] The Hunters Prowl?: its so the team is more passive
  832. [17:39] +Wally: ok standard zard X
  833. [17:39] @quziel: the team's singular way of switching into any tran, at all, is epower mew
  834. [17:39] +doubleswitches: i am defo not ok with that zard x
  835. [17:39] @RedzoneX: Scoppolino toxapex is going to have a good matchup against any ashgren
  836. Moderated chat was set to +!
  837. Only users of rank + and higher can talk.
  838. [17:40] +Anna?KartanNa?: have we decided?
  839. [17:40] &IronBullet: also i'll be devoicing a couple of people because it got too hectic there, sorry about that
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  841. [17:41] @RedzoneX: alright i think specs koko + kyurem b is our next core
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  843. [17:41] +A: we going lo 3 attacks ice beam bolt ep roost?
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  845. [17:41] @Gross Sweep ?: yes
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  847. [17:41] +A: !code
  848. See code...
  849. Kyurem-Black @ Life Orb
  850. Ability: Teravolt
  851. EVs: 4 Atk / 252 SpA / 252 Spe
  852. Naive Nature
  853. - Ice Beam
  854. - Fusion Bolt
  855. - Earth Power
  856. - Roost
  857.  
  858. Tapu Koko @ Choice Specs
  859. Ability: Electric Surge
  860. EVs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
  861. Timid Nature
  862. IVs: 1 Atk
  863. - Thunderbolt
  864. - Dazzling Gleam
  865. - Volt Switch
  866. - Hidden Power [Ice]
  867. [17:41] @RedzoneX: specs koko has seen a new wave of popularity thanks to the dug ban meaning it can more freely abuse its electric stabs, and kyurem-black is an excellent and durable balance breaker
  868. [17:42] +A: for reference
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  870. [17:42] @Gross Sweep ?: this is a more offensive core, that plays around momentum from tapu koko drawing in things like tang and bulu, which it can volt out on and give kyurem-b room to wall break
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  872. [17:42] @RedzoneX: this team definitely wants to have a more offensive approach to abuse the power of its breakers and the momentum it generates
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  874. [17:43] &IronBullet: sounds good guys
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  876. [17:43] &IronBullet: so if we're going for a pure offense approach, maybe a solid pivot to set up SR?
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  878. [17:43] +A: defensive landorus-t o3o
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  880. [17:43] &IronBullet: something that can get in, set up SR without losing momentum
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  882. [17:44] &IronBullet: yeah lando would be solid again
  883. [17:44] +A: a bit cliche but this fits perfectly
  884. [17:44] +A: !code
  885. See code...
  886. Landorus-Therian @ Leftovers
  887. Ability: Intimidate
  888. EVs: 252 HP / 216 Def / 24 SpD / 16 Spe
  889. Impish Nature
  890. - Stealth Rock
  891. - Earthquake
  892. - U-turn
  893. - Hidden Power [Ice]
  894. [17:44] @RedzoneX: memes aside def landot is something that works well since it can pivot, it sets up sr, and checks a lot of stuff nicely for us
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  896. [17:44] +A: a slow u-turn also helps in bringing out kyurem or tapu koko safely
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  898. [17:44] &IronBullet: it just fits in well with any sort of team lol
  899. [17:44] &IronBullet: yeah exactly
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  901. [17:44] +A: ferrothorn might prove to be annoying for the three rn
  902. [17:44] @RedzoneX: now, a couple more things we'll likely need are hazard removal since we're running kyurem-black, a mon that doesnt particularly like hazards
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  904. [17:44] @RedzoneX: and we also want some form of boosting wincon here
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  906. [17:45] &IronBullet: yep
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  908. [17:45] @RedzoneX: to win the game after koko and kyube have done work on the opposing team
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  910. [17:45] +A: i'm thinking SD MZor + Scarf Latias / Mew
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  912. [17:45] +A: !code
  913. See code...
  914. Scizor-Mega @ Scizorite
  915. Ability: Technician
  916. EVs: 248 HP / 244 Def / 16 Spe
  917. Impish Nature
  918. - Swords Dance
  919. - Bullet Punch
  920. - Roost
  921. - U-turn
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  923. [17:45] +A: (opting to use the defog's bulky spread instead)
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  925. [17:45] +A: it can retain momentum whilst be a late game sweeper
  926. [17:45] @Gross Sweep ?: yeah i like a scarf lati approach
  927. [17:45] +A: if so i'd probably go hp fire on kyub
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  929. [17:46] +A: to actually deal with thorn ferro
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  931. [17:46] @RedzoneX: i do like sd mzor since sg magearna is always a threat for offenses, and yeah ferrothorn would be annoying
  932. [17:46] @RedzoneX: so hp fire kyube to lure it is nice
  933. [17:46] +A: or opt hp fire on koko if you wanna go that way
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  935. [17:46] &IronBullet: i like hp fire on koko
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  937. [17:46] &IronBullet: kyurem has good balance with its move, don't want to disturb it with hp fire but it fits nicely on koko
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  939. [17:46] @RedzoneX: rain offense is a thing to beat in mind as well here
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  941. [17:46] @RedzoneX: *bear
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  943. [17:47] &IronBullet: what if we went with bulu again here?
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  945. [17:47] &IronBullet: good wincon, rain check
  946. [17:47] &IronBullet: kyu-b / koko / lando / mega sciz is what we have so far
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  948. [17:48] +A: i wouldn't go bulu
  949. [17:48] @RedzoneX: bulu seems a little redundant with the rest of the team personally, we already have two very good breakers
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  951. [17:48] @Gross Sweep ?: scarf lati + tang is an option
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  953. [17:48] &IronBullet: alright
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  955. [17:48] @RedzoneX: which lati?
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  957. [17:49] @Gross Sweep ?: latios
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  959. [17:49] @RedzoneX: we want to keep stall in mind as well here since despite tapu koko and kyube's strengths, its not impossible for stall to wall them
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  961. [17:49] @RedzoneX: trick scarf lati does help with that
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  963. [17:50] @RedzoneX: mantine is a bit passive here but is something we could consider if need be
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  965. [17:50] &IronBullet: i think mantine is too passive for this sort of team
  966. [17:50] &IronBullet: trick scarf lati sounds like a solid option
  967. [17:50] +A: as or os
  968. [17:50] @RedzoneX: kyub / koko / def lando / sd scizor-mega / scarf latios / av tang
  969. [17:51] +A: since healing wish meme dream can bring something back for round 2
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  971. [17:51] @RedzoneX: eh our healing wish targets are like
  972. [17:51] @RedzoneX: koko
  973. [17:51] @RedzoneX: and thats it
  974. [17:51] +A: aight
  975. [17:51] @RedzoneX: i reserve healing wish for the kind of builds with multiple boosting wincons to abuse it with
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  977. [17:51] +A: i have a mew infernape version of this squad at the back rn
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  979. [17:52] &IronBullet: i had a suggestion, not sure where we could fit it but something like waterium z ash-gren to help with rain
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  981. [17:52] &IronBullet: a more offensive option that provides priority as well
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  983. [17:52] @RedzoneX: i like the idea of that
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  985. [17:52] +A: scarf defog kartana
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  987. [17:53] &IronBullet: okay so i think we can definitely agree on kyu-b / koko / lando / scarf latios
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  989. [17:53] @RedzoneX: only problem with scarf tana is the complete lack of switchins to heatran or other fire types
  990. [17:53] &IronBullet: several options to consider for the last 2 slots
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  992. [17:54] &IronBullet: mega sciz / ash-gren / av tang / kartana are decent choices
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  994. &IronBullet: yeah fire types are definitely a worry but we have many ways to pressure them
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  996. [17:54] @RedzoneX: i personally wouldnt mind just going full offense here with water-z ash gren, sd sciz, scarf latios as our last three
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  998. [17:54] &IronBullet: ash-gren while not a solid switch in would further limit then and
  999. [17:54] &IronBullet: them*
  1000. [17:54] +A: sounds fine
  1001. [17:55] &IronBullet: yeah i'm not opposed to that
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  1003. [17:55] @Gross Sweep ?: i still like the version with tang, but this is fine too
  1004. [17:55] @RedzoneX: someone have the importable, i hope?
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  1006. [17:55] &IronBullet: so kyu-b / koko / lando / scarf lati / ash-gren / mega scizor yes?
  1007. [17:55] &IronBullet: i like tang too but it's a tough fit
  1008. [17:56] @RedzoneX: so we all agreed on specs koko / lo kyurem black / defensive lando / scarf latios / sd scizor-mega, with the last mon being either waterium-z ashgren or av tang
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  1010. [17:56] &IronBullet: what is mega scizor meant to cover redzone?
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  1012. [17:56] @RedzoneX: depending where on the offense/bulky offense spectrum you want to fall
  1013. [17:56] +A: IronBullet wincon
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  1015. [17:56] +A: iirc
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  1017. [17:56] @RedzoneX: wincon and also SG magerna check
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  1019. [17:56] @RedzoneX: also gives us a steel so that we can emergency switch into lele if need be
  1020. [17:56] &IronBullet: ah fair
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  1022. [17:56] &IronBullet: true true
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  1024. (The poll has ended – scroll down to see the results)
  1025. [17:57] &IronBullet: yes i'm happy with that in that case
  1026. [17:57] &IronBullet: good idea
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  1028. [17:57] @RedzoneX: i'll go ahead and open it up to the public as well
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  1030. Moderated chat was disabled!
  1031. Anyone may talk now.
  1032. [17:57] SiTuM.: LO KB :lokb:
  1033. [17:57] y0av: shit
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  1035. [17:57] +A: !code
  1036. See code...
  1037. Latios (M) @ Choice Scarf
  1038. Ability: Levitate
  1039. EVs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
  1040. Timid Nature
  1041. IVs: 0 Atk
  1042. - Draco Meteor
  1043. - Psyshock
  1044. - Trick
  1045. - Defog
  1046.  
  1047. Scizor-Mega @ Scizorite
  1048. Ability: Technician
  1049. EVs: 248 HP / 244 Def / 16 Spe
  1050. Impish Nature
  1051. - Swords Dance
  1052. - Bullet Punch
  1053. - Roost
  1054. - U-turn
  1055.  
  1056. Kyurem-Black @ Life Orb
  1057. Ability: Teravolt
  1058. EVs: 4 Atk / 252 SpA / 252 Spe
  1059. Naive Nature
  1060. - Ice Beam
  1061. - Fusion Bolt
  1062. - Earth Power
  1063. - Roost
  1064.  
  1065. Tapu Koko @ Choice Specs
  1066. Ability: Electric Surge
  1067. EVs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
  1068. Timid Nature
  1069. IVs: 0 Atk
  1070. - Thunderbolt
  1071. - Dazzling Gleam
  1072. - Volt Switch
  1073. - Hidden Power [Ice]
  1074.  
  1075. Landorus-Therian @ Leftovers
  1076. Ability: Intimidate
  1077. EVs: 252 HP / 216 Def / 24 SpD / 16 Spe
  1078. Impish Nature
  1079. - Stealth Rock
  1080. - Earthquake
  1081. - U-turn
  1082. - Hidden Power [Ice]
  1083.  
  1084. Greninja-Ash (M) @ Waterium Z
  1085. Ability: Battle Bond
  1086. EVs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
  1087. Timid Nature
  1088. - Hydro Pump
  1089. - Spikes
  1090. - Dark Pulse
  1091. - Water Shuriken
  1092.  
  1093. [17:57] Xx_Ravenlord_xX: I've used this exact team before, almost all the versions you were considering, and +1 volcarona runs riot
  1094. [17:57] y0av: clicked av tang but the chat moved
  1095. [17:57] HippoSheep: how does this team deal with firium tran?
  1096. [17:57] SickestTrixBoiz: Ash Gren i feel would be better
  1097. [17:57] y0av: uh
  1098. [17:57] AssessWasTaken: what about modest koko?
  1099. [17:57] abk?1997??: av tangrowth is better as last
  1100. [17:57] y0av: mega scizor takes advantage of ferrothorn btw
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  1102. [17:57] Eipic: Modest Koko is not a thing
  1103. [17:57] Scoppolino: i think this team is particuralry weak to wisps and spikes
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  1105. [17:57] y0av: no need for a ferrothorn check when you've got a wincon that takes advantage of it
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  1107. [17:57] Scoppolino: tspikes
  1108. [17:57] AssessWasTaken: it actually is i love that mon so much
  1109. [17:57] vso: The problem with Waterium gren is that koko and ash gren would be so much more annoying and something like surf Lati would make it playable against heatran
  1110. [17:57] &IronBullet: i feel ash-gren fits in with the style of the team better
  1111. [17:57] y0av: imo run gknot on koko to beat rain
  1112. [17:58] y0av: on the mega pert switch
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  1114. [17:58] SickestTrixBoiz: Wouldnt Ice Beam be better then Shur
  1115. [17:58] y0av: like they've gotta do this always
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  1117. [17:58] EoanKnight: AV tang is good, but scizor + def lando is a solid defensive core already
  1118. [17:58] TM Cleaver: may be good to note a more sp def sciz spread may be preferred, especially since mag is a bit of a problem for this team
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  1120. [17:58] Scoppolino: also the complete lack of knockoff on both team is preatty heavy
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  1122. [17:58] SickestTrixBoiz: for the random Grass swithcins
  1123. [17:58] TM Cleaver: it can also switch in better into cm tapu lele
  1124. [17:58] HippoSheep: idk this is rly rly weak to tran no?
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  1126. [17:58] Troll Trollington: Ash greninja!
  1127. [17:58] +A: go surf latios then
  1128. [17:58] vso: Sciz + def Lando opens up major holes to specs koko and ash gren
  1129. [17:58] Sun ?: i'd consider surf a cool option on latios tbh
  1130. [17:58] Troll Trollington: Hey redzonex
  1131. [17:58] HippoSheep: ye
  1132. [17:58] vso: Ye surf Lati obv
  1133. [17:58] @RedzoneX: surf latios is an option, the general plan vs heatran is just to pressure it super hard
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  1135. [17:59] @RedzoneX: it doesnt exactly come in on many pokemon on this team
  1136. [17:59] Swirlinbae: So like
  1137. [17:59] DaBest(NotReally): would rain teams be a problem for this team?
  1138. [17:59] TM Cleaver: yea, vso if thats the case, sp def mega sciz may be a necessity even more so
  1139. [17:59] NotInfernoMo(*)>: does surf lati 2hko bandtar
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  1141. [17:59] HippoSheep: but doesnt firium just claim
  1142. [17:59] TM Cleaver: ash gren is meant to help w/ rain
  1143. [17:59] Shaka14: but there is not special defense wall on that team ??
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  1145. [17:59] Shaka14: no*
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  1147. [17:59] @RedzoneX: Shaka14 it's an offensive team, we dont really need walls
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  1149. [17:59] SickestTrixBoiz: you dont ness need a wall
  1150. [17:59] vso: Spdef mega sciz doesn't even check specs koko or specs ash gren
  1151. [17:59] Swirlinbae: A leader thinks he can come in here and just turn on modchat plus?
  1152. [17:59] Pancakes_FTW: av ttar is a thing but not common
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  1154. [17:59] y0av: it's physdef
  1155. [17:59] Pancakes_FTW: just saying
  1156. [17:59] Troll Trollington: Give greninja hidden power fire and give him a firium z
  1157. [17:59] TM Cleaver: it is ofensive oriented, but sciz gains a lot of power with sd bc of its naturally good attack, so you can take advnatage of more bulky spreads
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  1159. [17:59] y0av: nvm didn't read
  1160. [17:59] Troll Trollington: ive done it
  1161. [17:59] HippoSheep: RedzoneX doesnt firium tran claim if it comes in on mzor or something?
  1162. [17:59] Mike81401: Troll Trollington doesn't work
  1163. [17:59] SickestTrixBoiz: Troll it doesnt work
  1164. [18:00] Mike81401: HP anything turns into Breakneck Blitz
  1165. [18:00] EoanKnight: hp doesnt take z crystals
  1166. [18:00] Troll Trollington: crap
  1167. [18:00] HippoSheep: Troll Trollington ash gren has fixed IVs
  1168. [18:00] SickestTrixBoiz: hp fire is by technicallity a normal type
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  1170. [18:00] @RedzoneX: HippoSheep sure, but u can always uturn to avoid giving heatran free turns
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  1172. [18:00] Troll Trollington: Yea but doesn't breakneck become fire typing as well?
  1173. [18:00] @RedzoneX: and thats like the only thing tran comes in on, if u run ashgren
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  1175. [18:00] aden12131: no Troll Trollington
  1176. [18:00] +A: do you guys want more sp.def on scizor
  1177. [18:00] Pancakes_FTW: do u have a volc counter?
  1178. [18:00] TM Cleaver: heatran does give this team issue for sure tbh, the best option is surf latios, that or a cm psychium-z set could be great, but then you lose out on the team's scarfer
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  1180. [18:00] vso: Also probably rh Lando is better bc we have scarf Lati and its offense so getting chip on fightings for sciz and letting kyub have an easier game will be v good particularly lop
  1181. [18:00] abk?1997??: why not knock off over u-turn on mega sciz ?
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  1183. [18:00] Troll Trollington: wow I wasted my time big
  1184. [18:00] HippoSheep: hm
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  1186. [18:00] +A: abk?1997 to maintain momentum
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  1188. [18:00] HippoSheep: abk?1997 u need momentum
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  1190. [18:00] vso: uturn is important here bc it's koko kyub
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  1192. [18:00] Shaka14: and how do you beat ferro with that team? i dont any fire move hmm
  1193. [18:00] Shaka14: see
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  1195. [18:00] Xx_Ravenlord_xX: bug buzz volcarona is a huge problem here
  1196. [18:00] abk?1997??: oh okay thanks
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  1198. [18:01] &IronBullet: koko has hp fire
  1199. [18:01] SickestTrixBoiz: hp fire koko
  1200. [18:01] TM Cleaver: hp fire tapu koko is a thing
  1201. [18:01] HippoSheep: Shaka14 mzor sets up on ferro
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  1203. [18:01] TM Cleaver: ^\and that
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  1205. [18:01] +A: y0av yea
  1206. [18:01] +A: mzor does abuse ferro
  1207. [18:01] +A: and you can defog with lati anyway
  1208. [18:01] &IronBullet: ferro also has trouble coming in on much
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  1210. [18:01] &IronBullet: yeah
  1211. [18:01] Scoppolino: and what if koko is against lando?
  1212. [18:01] y0av: so
  1213. [18:01] Pancakes_FTW: volcarona is a big problem here, i am suggesting giving someone a rock move or replacing lati with scarf sedge keld
  1214. [18:01] +A: do you guys want grass knot on koko or what
  1215. [18:01] TM Cleaver: pivot out.
  1216. [18:01] Scoppolino: its a forced switch
  1217. [18:01] Shaka14: koko has HP ice in the import
  1218. [18:01] HippoSheep: oh yea buzz volc is really scary to face with this team
  1219. [18:01] TM Cleaver: if you go against lando you can go into your own
  1220. [18:01] WarriorRenamon: Hello
  1221. [18:01] +A: gleam 2kos lando for the most part
  1222. [18:01] TM Cleaver: or go into sciz
  1223. [18:01] y0av: grass knot on koko guarantees an easy game vs rain
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  1225. [18:01] SickestTrixBoiz: grass knot nail pert tho
  1226. [18:01] Akku'rath: its this kinda of team that makes me want to use m-bee
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  1228. [18:01] Fredster1: +1 volc runs through the team though
  1229. [18:01] &IronBullet: A could you change koko to hp fire please
  1230. [18:01] y0av: as long as they have a good team, as in having mega pert
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  1232. [18:02] Troll Trollington: What do you mean ash g has fixed ivs?
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  1234. [18:02] +A: IronBullet do you want mzor to have more sp.def
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  1236. [18:02] Troll Trollington: like I can't soft reset it in the game?
  1237. [18:02] y0av: z-bug volcarona is a huge threat
  1238. [18:02] &IronBullet: what's the reasoning for that?
  1239. [18:02] TM Cleaver: y0av, its tapu koko lol, that thing fucks rain as it is bar mega pert (whou outspeeds)
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  1241. [18:02] Pancakes_FTW: tbh if youre so worried about landot just give ashgren ice beam
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  1243. [18:02] +A: handles SG mage a bit easier IronBullet
  1244. [18:02] y0av: tm cleaver
  1245. [18:02] +A: something like this ig?
  1246. [18:02] HippoSheep: Troll Trollington no you cant
  1247. [18:02] @Gross Sweep ?: yes A
  1248. [18:02] +A: 252 SpA Magearna All-Out Pummeling (190 BP) vs. 248 HP / 184+ SpD Scizor-Mega: 158-186 (46 - 54.2%) -- 53.1% chance to 2HKO
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  1250. [18:02] &IronBullet: ah okay fair
  1251. [18:02] y0av: doesn't do shit if specs+no grass knot
  1252. [18:02] &IronBullet: sure in that case
  1253. [18:02] Xx_Ravenlord_xX: y0av it doesn't even need z
  1254. [18:02] Troll Trollington: ah
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  1256. [18:02] y0av: because mega pert comes in for free
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  1258. [18:02] WarriorRenamon: Can anyone help me make my team?
  1259. [18:02] @RedzoneX: yeah spdef sciz is better than phys sciz here imo
  1260. [18:02] vso: Grass knot isn't needed bc if you run tang the team doesn't have massive issues vs rain
  1261. [18:02] DaBest(NotReally): what about ferrothorn? can hp fire be an option for these mons?
  1262. [18:02] y0av: xxravenlordxx it still uses that
  1263. Poll ended last mon
  1264. 1. av tangrowth (15 votes)
  1265. 29%
  1266. 2. waterium-z ashgren (37 votes)
  1267. 71%
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  1269. [18:02] TM Cleaver: it does, but you have 2 pretty reliable pivot thats can go into it in return
  1270. [18:02] vso: Gleam also chunks
  1271. [18:02] +A: if you run tang tho volc even becomes more of a problem
  1272. [18:02] Host Joe: what's a good partner for Bulu?
  1273. [18:02] +A: last slot seems iffy
  1274. [18:02] &IronBullet: the public have spoken
  1275. [18:02] @RedzoneX: im gonna go ahead and close modchat in a few secs
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  1277. [18:02] vso: You could run rock slide tho
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  1279. [18:02] y0av: maybe keldeo?
  1280. [18:03] TM Cleaver: kyurem b and sciz both, you could even count atios tbh
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  1282. [18:03] y0av: specs keldeo
  1283. [18:03] @quziel: bulutran is a classic for a reason
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  1285. [18:03] y0av: or z-water cm keldeo or some shit
  1286. [18:03] Pancakes_FTW: tbh very weak to volcarona
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  1288. [18:03] Pancakes_FTW: what can u use to counter it?
  1289. [18:03] TM Cleaver: you said swampert
  1290. [18:03] Pancakes_FTW: nothing
  1291. [18:03] Scoppolino: what can we do for volcarona?
  1292. [18:03] TM Cleaver: lmao
  1293. [18:03] vso: But idk how the team handles ash gren without tang
  1294. [18:03] HippoSheep: volcs already a giant problem
  1295. [18:03] y0av: swampert
  1296. [18:03] y0av: in rain
  1297. [18:03] y0av: ofc
  1298. [18:03] Pancakes_FTW: weak to volcarona
  1299. [18:03] y0av: not in this teaam
  1300. [18:03] y0av: team*
  1301. [18:03] y0av was warned by Kid A. (Bot moderation: Do not flood the chat.)
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  1303. [18:03] PLTD0geGreatThe: any checks for xerneas in ubers?
  1304. [18:03] TM Cleaver: yea, there isnt a massive need for gknot mate
  1305. [18:03] Pancakes_FTW: im just gonna spam this until someone notices xd
  1306. [18:03] +A: uh
  1307. [18:03] y0av: sorry for that o_o
  1308. [18:03] +A: keldeo + mew?
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  1310. [18:03] Pancakes_FTW: this thing is weak to volcarona
  1311. [18:03] +A: y0av just type in more words per line
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  1313. [18:03] +A: to not get warned
  1314. [18:03] SickestTrixBoiz: PLTD see the Ubers room for that
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  1316. [18:03] PLTD0geGreatThe: right
  1317. [18:03] vso: Mew + def Lando is iffy tho
  1318. [18:03] TM Cleaver: waterium-z ash gren and tapu koko do enough to rain, kyurem b only adds on
  1319. [18:03] Pancakes_FTW: this is an ou workshop
  1320. [18:04] vso: bc they both do the same thing
  1321. [18:04] PLTD0geGreatThe: its not its ct,
  1322. [18:04] EoanKnight: grass knot would only be good for koko, not much else even needs it
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  1324. [18:04] my rainbow: gengar sub taunt wow hex + sg magearna
  1325. [18:04] @RedzoneX: keldeo is a reasonable inclusion as the scarfer if you are worried about opposing ashgren
  1326. [18:04] PLTD0geGreatThe: Competitive tutoring,
  1327. [18:04] +A: it also checks volc
  1328. [18:04] @RedzoneX: in the interest of keeping things moving
  1329. [18:04] my rainbow: the gengar beat toxa, venu, celesteela
  1330. [18:04] Kalendar: whats a good mon to work with the Msaur Zygarde core?
  1331. [18:04] +A: that ur very scared of stuff
  1332. [18:04] Pancakes_FTW: i think we should replace lati with keld
  1333. [18:04] SickestTrixBoiz: Hey Guys, could we cover Zone+Mence at some point?
  1334. [18:04] HippoSheep: PLTD0geGreatThe theres an ou workshop going on rn
  1335. [18:04] @RedzoneX: going to close chat now
  1336. [18:04] Pancakes_FTW: counters volc better
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  1339. [18:04] +A: ok so
  1340. [18:04] +A: scarf keldeo
  1341. [18:04] +A: over latios
  1342. [18:04] &IronBullet: just to wrap up the keld discussion
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  1344. [18:04] &IronBullet: we wouldnt have defog in that case though
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  1346. [18:04] +A: mb replace ash though
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  1348. [18:05] &IronBullet: dont think we require 2 scarfers
  1349. [18:05] &IronBullet: we could change up latios in that case
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  1351. [18:06] &IronBullet: thoughts redzone and GS?
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  1353. [18:06] +A: o if we're going scarf keld yache lando-t wouldnt hurt
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  1355. [18:06] +A: !code
  1356. See code...
  1357. Keldeo @ Choice Scarf
  1358. Ability: Justified
  1359. EVs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
  1360. Hasty Nature
  1361. - Stone Edge
  1362. - Scald
  1363. - Hydro Pump
  1364. - Secret Sword
  1365.  
  1366. Scizor-Mega @ Scizorite
  1367. Ability: Technician
  1368. EVs: 248 HP / 60 Def / 184 SpD / 16 Spe
  1369. Careful Nature
  1370. - Swords Dance
  1371. - Bullet Punch
  1372. - Roost
  1373. - U-turn
  1374.  
  1375. Kyurem-Black @ Life Orb
  1376. Ability: Teravolt
  1377. EVs: 4 Atk / 252 SpA / 252 Spe
  1378. Naive Nature
  1379. - Ice Beam
  1380. - Fusion Bolt
  1381. - Earth Power
  1382. - Roost
  1383.  
  1384. Tapu Koko @ Choice Specs
  1385. Ability: Electric Surge
  1386. EVs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
  1387. Timid Nature
  1388. IVs: 0 Atk
  1389. - Thunderbolt
  1390. - Dazzling Gleam
  1391. - Volt Switch
  1392. - Hidden Power [Fire]
  1393.  
  1394. Landorus-Therian @ Yache Berry
  1395. Ability: Intimidate
  1396. EVs: 252 HP / 216 Def / 24 SpD / 16 Spe
  1397. Impish Nature
  1398. - Stealth Rock
  1399. - Earthquake
  1400. - U-turn
  1401. - Hidden Power [Ice]
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  1403. [18:07] +A: i guess we can go like
  1404. [18:07] +A: psychium latios @IronBullet?
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  1406. [18:07] @RedzoneX: scarf keld and psychium latios sounds reasonable
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  1408. [18:08] @RedzoneX: alright, next core, i think i had like three people ask for some form of volcarona team
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  1410. [18:08] +A: lets finalize the import
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  1412. [18:08] &IronBullet: yeah finalise this first please
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  1414. [18:08] +A: !code
  1415. See code...
  1416. Keldeo @ Choice Scarf
  1417. Ability: Justified
  1418. EVs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
  1419. Hasty Nature
  1420. - Stone Edge
  1421. - Scald
  1422. - Hydro Pump
  1423. - Secret Sword
  1424.  
  1425. Scizor-Mega @ Scizorite
  1426. Ability: Technician
  1427. EVs: 248 HP / 60 Def / 184 SpD / 16 Spe
  1428. Careful Nature
  1429. - Swords Dance
  1430. - Bullet Punch
  1431. - Roost
  1432. - U-turn
  1433.  
  1434. Kyurem-Black @ Life Orb
  1435. Ability: Teravolt
  1436. EVs: 4 Atk / 252 SpA / 252 Spe
  1437. Naive Nature
  1438. - Ice Beam
  1439. - Fusion Bolt
  1440. - Earth Power
  1441. - Roost
  1442.  
  1443. Tapu Koko @ Choice Specs
  1444. Ability: Electric Surge
  1445. EVs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
  1446. Timid Nature
  1447. IVs: 0 Atk
  1448. - Thunderbolt
  1449. - Dazzling Gleam
  1450. - Volt Switch
  1451. - Hidden Power [Fire]
  1452.  
  1453. Landorus-Therian @ Yache Berry
  1454. Ability: Intimidate
  1455. EVs: 252 HP / 216 Def / 24 SpD / 16 Spe
  1456. Impish Nature
  1457. - Stealth Rock
  1458. - Earthquake
  1459. - U-turn
  1460. - Hidden Power [Ice]
  1461.  
  1462. Latios (M) @ Psychium Z
  1463. Ability: Levitate
  1464. EVs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
  1465. Timid Nature
  1466. IVs: 0 Atk
  1467. - Draco Meteor
  1468. - Psyshock
  1469. - Roost
  1470. - Defog
  1471.  
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  1473. [18:09] @RedzoneX: i think thats fine?
  1474. [18:09] +A: (yache berry if you find opposing kokos running around a bit too annoying, lefties if you want)
  1475. [18:09] +A: yeah thats fine
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  1477. [18:09] &IronBullet: yep sounds good
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  1479. [18:09] &IronBullet: yache is optional for lando, feel free to go with lefties
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  1481. [18:09] &IronBullet: okay moving on
  1482. [18:09] &IronBullet: thanks for the feedback everyone
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  1484. [18:10] @RedzoneX: okay, so volcarona + mdiancie is a core that's been suggested, volcarona is one of the best and hardest to stop offensive wincons in the game but is weak to all forms of hazards, so mega diancie's magic bounce is appreciated to help that
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  1486. [18:10] @Gross Sweep ?: ok so do we want psychium volc or sub bug buzz
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  1488. [18:10] +A: psychium volc + sub endeavor mdian?
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  1490. [18:10] &IronBullet: i don't have much experience using volc so i'll leave that up to you guys
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  1492. [18:11] @Gross Sweep ?: we can go with that A
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  1494. [18:11] @RedzoneX: psychium z volc beats toxapex, one of the main defensive counters to volcarona, as well as other mons that are neutral to psychic
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  1496. [18:11] @RedzoneX: this set would struggle with chansey, so endeavor mdiancie is added as a way to lure and severely weaken chansey for a volcarona sweep later
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  1498. [18:12] +A: despite M-Diancie psuedo-blocking hazards, hazard removal is still recommended
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  1500. [18:12] &IronBullet: endeavor's interesting
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  1502. [18:12] &IronBullet: is this the sub set redzone?
  1503. [18:12] +A: yes
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  1505. [18:12] +A: stabs sub endeavor
  1506. [18:12] @Gross Sweep ?: yeah the next mon added should be removal, as I don't want to struggle fitting that later
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  1508. [18:13] @RedzoneX: something like mew would be a pretty straightforward addition, can handle things like zygarde for us, and is a very reliable defogger
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  1510. [18:13] @Gross Sweep ?: yeah we can go defog mew
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  1512. SM Keldeo analysis, brought to you by Smogon University
  1513. [18:14] &IronBullet: fine with me
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  1515. [18:14] @Gross Sweep ?: pair it with something like ferro to help complete a defensive backbone - or some other ash gren check
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  1517. [18:15] @Gross Sweep ?: ferro also gives the team rocks which is nice
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  1519. [18:15] &IronBullet: ferro slots in nicely yes
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  1521. [18:15] @RedzoneX: running spD ferro here i think since it's primarily there for stuff like lele, ashgren, magearna, threats that are generally special in nature
  1522. [18:15] &IronBullet: sr / ls / po / ko?
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  1524. [18:15] &IronBullet: pw i mean
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  1526. [18:15] @RedzoneX: with SR / leech seed / power whip / knock off?
  1527. [18:16] &IronBullet: yep
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  1529. [18:16] +A: how about dual stabs
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  1531. [18:16] &IronBullet: i like knock on this team to cripple stuff for dia and volc
  1532. [18:16] &IronBullet: gyro could go over leech
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  1534. [18:16] @RedzoneX: as long as we're using ferrothorn as the lele check, i think gyro might be appreciated
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  1536. [18:17] @Gross Sweep ?: i just want to make sure power whip ends up on set
  1537. [18:17] @Gross Sweep ?: as i want it for rain
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  1539. [18:17] +A: i think we just want both
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  1541. [18:17] +A: dropping knock to keep leech sounds fine to me at a small cost of losing some utility
  1542. [18:17] @Gross Sweep ?: yeah we can go dual stab rn, and come back to it later if needed
  1543. [18:17] +A: but it covers a bunch of threats as a result
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  1545. [18:17] &IronBullet: maybe we can discuss later if we can fit in knock somewhere else
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  1547. [18:18] &IronBullet: but we're all happy with volc / dia / ferro / mew so far yes?
  1548. [18:18] @RedzoneX: im fine with just stabs ferro, 3atks is funny but since ferro will be pressured by a lot of things, having leech to keep it healthy
  1549. [18:18] @RedzoneX: is important here
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  1551. [18:18] @RedzoneX: agreed on that count
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  1553. [18:18] @Gross Sweep ?: yeah I''m fine with our 4
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  1555. [18:18] &IronBullet: okay cool
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  1557. [18:19] &IronBullet: not the fastest team so far, could do with a revenge killer
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  1559. [18:19] @Gross Sweep ?: in the last 2 slots we have a good amount of freedom, a scarfer would be nice
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  1561. [18:19] &IronBullet: and then maybe another attacker that can check anything looking particularly troublesome
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  1563. [18:20] @Gross Sweep ?: scarf keldeo + ground is a option
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  1565. [18:20] @RedzoneX: opposing volc is something of a threat if it comes in for free on ferro or mew, so we definitely want something with +100 speed
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  1567. [18:20] @RedzoneX: scarf keldeo is reasonable here i think
  1568. [18:20] +A: vs mage mew and ferro have to 5050
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  1570. [18:20] +A: shouldnt be too worrying though
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  1572. [18:21] @RedzoneX: we could run scarf nape if we want to totally shut down sg mage, but we're offense so ideally we just chip it enough to rk and then just keep pressuring
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  1574. [18:21] +A: scarf nape is ok but we kinda die to ash gren if ferro dies
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  1576. [18:21] +A: like rly
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  1578. [18:21] @RedzoneX: yeah, thats why i like keldeo here as it relieves that pressure off of ferro
  1579. [18:21] &IronBullet: keldeo sounds more solid yeah
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  1581. [18:21] @RedzoneX: lets us keep it healthier for other threats
  1582. [18:21] @Gross Sweep ?: yeah the team has enough tools to beat mage if played well so I'm ok with that mu
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  1584. [18:21] &IronBullet: okay
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  1586. [18:22] &IronBullet: so to wrap up, anything looking particularly threatening
  1587. [18:22] @RedzoneX: alright so scarf keldeo here, just our normal hydro / scald / secret sword / stone edge hasty set
  1588. [18:22] &IronBullet: yes
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  1590. [18:22] @Gross Sweep ?: we need a ground type
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  1592. [18:22] @Gross Sweep ?: in 6th slot
  1593. [18:22] @RedzoneX: zygarde?
  1594. SM Latios analysis, brought to you by Smogon University
  1595. [18:22] +A: cb ziggy
  1596. [18:22] @RedzoneX: exactly what i was thinking
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  1598. [18:22] &IronBullet: yeah i like the dragon typing there for offensive fires too
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  1600. [18:22] &IronBullet: helps with zard y and tran
  1601. [18:23] @RedzoneX: soft checks heatran and zardy (and opposing volc), breaks down stuff for our own volcarona and keldeo
  1602. [18:23] &IronBullet: tran in particular since volc and mew struggle with it
  1603. [18:23] @RedzoneX: what's not to love
  1604. [18:23] &IronBullet: sounds perfect
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  1606. [18:23] &IronBullet: does leave us with no ground resists though :o
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  1608. [18:23] +A: puts a bit of pressure on mew but it should be fine
  1609. [18:23] &IronBullet: yeah
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  1611. [18:23] &IronBullet: latios is another option
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  1613. [18:24] @RedzoneX: we have mew and ferro, they each count as like half a ground resist
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  1615. [18:24] &IronBullet: yeah thats fair lol
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  1617. [18:24] &IronBullet: flygon anyone n_n
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  1619. [18:24] @Gross Sweep ?: yeah with the addition of scarf keldeo we could almost look at rocks lando in last slot, then something like celesteela over ferro - or go with our pseudo ground resists, both options are ok with me
  1620. [18:24] @RedzoneX: idk i think zygarde just provides a nice level of redundancy and breaking for the team
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  1622. [18:25] +A: this sounds kind of lowkey dumb but how about heal bell mew
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  1624. [18:25] @RedzoneX: issue with that gs is that fires are scary
  1625. [18:25] &IronBullet: yeah i agree tbh
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  1627. [18:25] &IronBullet: zyg is fine
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  1629. [18:25] &IronBullet: we have enough counterplay for grounds that they're not going to break through easily
  1630. [18:25] +A: do you wanna make mew bulkier or
  1631. [18:25] +A: 310 is fine
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  1633. [18:25] @Gross Sweep ?: mmk, i just don't like not having an immunity, but i'll survive
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  1635. [18:26] &IronBullet: yeah i think it can still work decently
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  1637. [18:26] &IronBullet: okay A final import?
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  1639. [18:26] +A: one sec
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  1641. [18:26] @RedzoneX: fastish mew seems reasonable here
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  1643. [18:27] +A: are we going wisp on mew
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  1645. [18:27] +A: or is the meme heal bell option considered to better deal with annoying fat stuff
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  1647. [18:27] +A: or ep because magnezone is a bully
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  1649. [18:28] +A: !code
  1650. See code...
  1651. Volcarona @ Psychium Z
  1652. Ability: Flame Body
  1653. EVs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
  1654. Timid Nature
  1655. IVs: 0 Atk
  1656. - Fire Blast
  1657. - Quiver Dance
  1658. - Psychic
  1659. - Hidden Power [Ground]
  1660.  
  1661. Mew @ Leftovers
  1662. Ability: Synchronize
  1663. EVs: 184 HP / 140 Def / 184 Spe
  1664. Timid Nature
  1665. IVs: 0 Atk
  1666. - Ice Beam
  1667. - Roost
  1668. - Defog
  1669. - Will-O-Wisp
  1670.  
  1671. Ferrothorn @ Leftovers
  1672. Ability: Iron Barbs
  1673. EVs: 252 HP / 88 Def / 168 SpD
  1674. Sassy Nature
  1675. IVs: 0 Spe
  1676. - Power Whip
  1677. - Gyro Ball
  1678. - Leech Seed
  1679. - Stealth Rock
  1680.  
  1681. Keldeo @ Choice Scarf
  1682. Ability: Justified
  1683. EVs: 4 Atk / 252 SpA / 252 Spe
  1684. Hasty Nature
  1685. - Scald
  1686. - Stone Edge
  1687. - Secret Sword
  1688. - Hydro Pump
  1689.  
  1690. Diancie-Mega @ Diancite
  1691. Ability: Magic Bounce
  1692. EVs: 4 Atk / 252 SpA / 252 Spe
  1693. Naive Nature
  1694. - Substitute
  1695. - Endeavor
  1696. - Diamond Storm
  1697. - Moonblast
  1698.  
  1699. Zygarde @ Choice Band
  1700. Ability: Aura Break
  1701. EVs: 4 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Spe
  1702. Adamant Nature
  1703. - Thousand Arrows
  1704. - Extreme Speed
  1705. - Outrage
  1706. - Superpower
  1707.  
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  1709. [18:28] +A: opted SP to lure in ferro
  1710. [18:28] &IronBullet: i like ib / wow myself
  1711. [18:28] +A: not like tox hits much
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  1713. [18:28] @Gross Sweep ?: i put wisp in my builder, but ep is fine if we want to go that route
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  1715. [18:29] @RedzoneX: shall we open discussion?
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  1718. Anyone may talk now.
  1719. [18:29] @RedzoneX: let us know what you think
  1720. [18:29] Battler Ares: yayyyy
  1721. [18:29] HippoSheep: isnt this p weak to specs gar
  1722. [18:29] @RedzoneX: we should have time for one more after this
  1723. [18:29] HippoSheep: ?
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  1725. [18:29] my rainbow: looks fresh
  1726. [18:29] my rainbow: but
  1727. [18:29] TM Cleaver: I've actually never see sub endeavour diancie b4, how does that work?
  1728. [18:29] Mike81401: Who is using specs Garchomp
  1729. [18:29] my rainbow: dd z move zygarde
  1730. 18:29] vsomani: Personally I feel scarf Lando is super annoying
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  1732. [18:29] @RedzoneX: TM Cleaver the idea is to lure chansey in and endeavor it to like 25%
  1733. [18:29] y0av: how about
  1734. [18:29] KawaiiGastrodonYT: Maybe, Ik this is a fun gimmick, But I want to try nature power something with like a tapu
  1735. [18:29] Battler Ares: endeavor is interesting
  1736. [18:29] HippoSheep: TM Cleaver its for chansey u sub and endeavor to bring it low
  1737. [18:29] +A: HippoSheep cant cover everything
  1738. [18:29] vsomani: because it uturns + eqs everything else
  1739. [18:30] y0av: A
  1740. [18:30] @RedzoneX: and kill range of dstorm
  1741. [18:30] SickestTrixBoiz: SubTect zygarde would be better i feel
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  1743. [18:30] HippoSheep: fair enough A
  1744. [18:30] y0av: why is zygarde superpower
  1745. [18:30] etw42: subsd kartana and specs koko are a bit annoying
  1746. [18:30] +A: KawaiiGastrodonYT oh nature power camerupt and diancie work with koko
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  1748. [18:30] y0av: make it iron tail imo
  1749. [18:30] y0av: or toxic
  1750. [18:30] WarriorRenamon: I got muted in help because I was talking about team building and 'casual' talk. >_<
  1751. [18:30] y0av: because you've got keldeo
  1752. [18:30] KawaiiGastrodonYT: Hmm tm
  1753. [18:30] HippoSheep: Mike81401 who said anything about chomp??
  1754. [18:30] KawaiiGastrodonYT: lemme note that
  1755. [18:30] C9 NxtLvl: This team may have problems w/ mega venu when volc is down I feel
  1756. [18:30] vsomani: you have like dia and koko and no ground resist just opens up massive holes for scarf lando
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  1758. [18:30] TM Cleaver: ah, thats really cool tbh, I've never thought about that lo
  1759. [18:30] Mike81401: [11:29:22] HippoSheep: isnt this p weak to specs gar
  1760. [18:30] HippoSheep: gar is gengar
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  1762. [18:30] Mike81401: oh
  1763. [18:30] HippoSheep: chomp is garchomp
  1764. [18:30] Mike81401: I thought it was Garchomp
  1765. [18:30] HippoSheep: lel
  1766. [18:30] +A: change ziggy to iron tail or toxic if you want over sp
  1767. [18:31] HippoSheep: toxic is mainly for landot
  1768. [18:31] @RedzoneX: honestly gengar is relatively uncommon nowadays
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  1770. [18:31] WarriorRenamon: OU UU, I don't care, as long as I can put whatever pokemon that cover each other that I want.
  1771. [18:31] HippoSheep: sp if for ferro
  1772. [18:31] RavenlordX: you'll be forced into predictions with specs koko w/ hp ice
  1773. [18:31] HippoSheep: is*
  1774. [18:31] &IronBullet: we could put more sdef into ferro for genger
  1775. [18:31] vsomani: Can't you just make it
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  1777. [18:31] WarriorRenamon: I needed help in the help room and I got muted because this room was in +. UGH
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  1779. [18:31] y0av: how about
  1780. [18:31] &IronBullet: raven predictions are always a part of the game
  1781. [18:31] y0av: instead of zygarde
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  1783. [18:31] @RedzoneX: gross sweep's idea of celesteela > ferro and then a rocks user > zyg
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  1785. [18:31] y0av: uh
  1786. [18:31] KawaiiGastrodonYT: Can you guys built a team around the nature power M Camerupt + Koko?
  1787. [18:31] y0av: 1 sec
  1788. [18:31] vsomani: protect + 3 attacks Lando + spd ferro + scarf Lati > keld
  1789. [18:31] @RedzoneX: is a way to deal with the scarf lando issue
  1790. [18:31] AnnoyingAggron: You should make these workshops a regular thing
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  1792. [18:31] RavenlordX: but you'll pay heavily for a zygarde switch, and koko will volt switch to victory
  1793. [18:32] @RedzoneX: we will certainly try to AnnoyingAggron
  1794. [18:32] +A: WarriorRenamon stop complaining about a mute in another room, anyway it's kind of hard to go with your mentality and to find help as people in pokemon showdown for the most part, do follow smogon tiers
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  1796. [18:32] y0av: how about these sets instead (koko instead of zygarde) http://pokepast.es/8d702ca041beb760
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  1798. [18:32] +A: and using lower tier pokemon in a higher tier is fine if they have a legitimate niche
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  1800. [18:32] y0av: pls read this
  1801. [18:32] Lark_Volkihar: i second the regular occurance suggestion
  1802. [18:32] +A: see suicune in OU
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  1804. [18:32] SickestTrixBoiz: Suicune is godly
  1805. [18:32] AnnoyingAggron: But you should also do them in different tiers maybe
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  1807. [18:32] stainey: Can you build team around staraptor
  1808. [18:32] LibertarianMaster: may i ask why the moderated chat was set in the 1st place?
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  1810. [18:32] SickestTrixBoiz: im supprised its not OU by now
  1811. [18:32] &IronBullet: yeah we'll look to have activities in different tiers going forward aggron, for sure
  1812. [18:32] Battler Ares: yea i like that koko set
  1813. [18:32] Kousengan ?: Hi!
  1814. [18:32] Kousengan ?: Good afternoon.
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  1816. [18:33] TM Cleaver: they took cores earlier, I imagine they already chose which ines they wanna use for this session
  1817. [18:33] AnnoyingAggron: Cool
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  1819. [18:33] @RedzoneX: for those just joining us, this is an ou teambuilding workshop, we are building teams around cores in ou and talking about the teambuilding process while we do so
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  1821. [18:33] @RedzoneX: this should be going on for about 30 more minutes
  1822. [18:33] &IronBullet: okay so if anyone does use this team and has trouble with the lack of ground resists, celesteela over ferro + another rocker over zygarde is an option
  1823. [18:33] Battler Ares: can one of you check out one of my new uu team?
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  1825. [18:33] y0av: can someone give me a fat mew spread?
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  1827. [18:34] &IronBullet: lando could work, or even garchomp
  1828. [18:34] @RedzoneX: ooh chomp
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  1830. [18:34] vsomani: why can't you go like def Lando + scarf Lati > mew + scarf keld and then spdef ferro
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  1832. [18:34] @Gross Sweep ?: rocks chomp + cele is cool imo
  1833. [18:34] &IronBullet: yeah
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  1835. [18:34] @RedzoneX: we should be spdef ferro here anyway imo
  1836. [18:34] mr.w123: im trying to build a team around
  1837. [18:34] @Gross Sweep ?: that's def a viable option vsomani
  1838. [18:34] LibertarianMaster: ok...
  1839. [18:34] KawaiiGastrodonYT: Iron? Can we maybe build around nature power M Camperupt + Koko?
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  1841. [18:34] RavenlordX: IronBullet won't taking out ferro be a very very bad idea if you're adding in another 4x ice weak mon
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  1843. [18:35] @RedzoneX: a part of me is saying double zmove
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  1845. [18:35] RavenlordX: again with the koko problem, sorry
  1846. [18:35] theweiter: This might be a dumb question but why fire blast over fiery dance?
  1847. [18:35] @RedzoneX: we'll have celesteela RavenlordX which answers most ou-relevant ice types
  1848. [18:35] WarriorRenamon: Where is that? A told me to follow tiers but I have no clue which pokemon I should use. The problem:I never did teambuilding, so I don't know if I should use this tier or that.
  1849. [18:35] Eipic: How About Vincune+Nihilego
  1850. [18:35] @RedzoneX: theweiter more power
  1851. [18:35] Scoppolino: more misses
  1852. [18:35] Scoppolino: >>>
  1853. [18:35] RavenlordX: redzone hp ice specs koko is the issue
  1854. [18:35] +A: WarriorRenamon first you should probably pick a tier of your choice that you want to play
  1855. [18:35] SuperCorrBL: Is there a team building event rn ?
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  1857. [18:35] Battler Ares: https://pokepast.es/d4a072c1bca97d1b
  1858. [18:35] +A: ye SuperCorrBL
  1859. [18:35] SuperCorrBL: Oh ok
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  1861. [18:35] Battler Ares: anything i should change?
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  1863. [18:35] @RedzoneX: alright so i'm gonna take it to modchat, we'll finalize this
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  1865. [18:35] %Yellow Paint: didn't we have modchat for a reason
  1866. [18:35] @RedzoneX: and then do one more core
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  1870. [18:36] &IronBullet: so raven pointed out that taking out ferro would worsen the matchup to hp ice koko in particular
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  1872. [18:36] &IronBullet: valid concern
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  1874. [18:36] @Gross Sweep ?: yeah it's picking a poison of koko or scarf lando being annoying
  1875. [18:36] &IronBullet: yeah
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  1877. [18:37] &IronBullet: with mew and zygarde scarf lando isn't too big of an issue i think
  1878. [18:37] @RedzoneX: id rather be annoyed by scarf lando frankly as it is the generally less common mon
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  1880. [18:37] @Gross Sweep ?: mhm
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  1882. [18:37] +A: most opt for sr offensive or defensive anyway
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  1884. [18:37] @RedzoneX: yeah
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  1886. [18:37] +A: so yeah its a threat but its not as big of a deal
  1887. [18:37] +A: so keep the ferrothorn
  1888. [18:37] &IronBullet: okay cool
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  1891. [18:37] &IronBullet: so final team is volc / diancie / keld / ferro / mew / zyg
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  1893. [18:38] &IronBullet: alternatively celesteela over ferro and rocks garchomp over zyg
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  1895. [18:38] +A: (might want yache then)
  1896. [18:38] +A: or sash or smth
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  1898. [18:38] +A: bc koko absolutely dices that version
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  1900. [18:38] &IronBullet: yeah yache chomp could work
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  1902. Pok?mon Showdown! damage calculator. (Courtesy of Honko)
  1903. - Damage Calculator
  1904. [18:39] &IronBullet: okay moving on, think we have time for one more
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  1906. [18:39] &IronBullet: sd kart to wrap up?
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  1908. [18:39] &IronBullet: more popular wincon choice nowadays
  1909. [18:40] @RedzoneX: heres a thought
  1910. [18:40] @pIkAchUlOvEr98: sub sd
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  1912. [18:40] +A: here's
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  1914. [18:40] +A: something odd
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  1916. [18:40] @RedzoneX: sd darkinium kartana + mega pinsir
  1917. [18:40] &IronBullet: or we could try a stall team
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  1919. [18:40] @RedzoneX: lets leave stall in the graveyard with dug where it belongs imo
  1920. [18:40] +A: !code
  1921. See code...
  1922. Zapdos @ Firium Z
  1923. Ability: Static
  1924. EVs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
  1925. Modest Nature
  1926. IVs: 0 Atk
  1927. - Thunderbolt
  1928. - Agility
  1929. - Hidden Power [Ice]
  1930. - Heat Wave
  1931. [18:40] @RedzoneX: stall builds are usually 5/6 mons the same anyway
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  1933. [18:40] &IronBullet: haha fine
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  1935. [18:40] @pIkAchUlOvEr98: theres not much to showcase about stall building mostly u just look at VR and usage stats and cover them as best as you can
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  1937. [18:41] +A: you just replace x y z mon with a b c in stall for the most part
  1938. [18:41] +A: or add arcanine bc mawile beats you, etc
  1939. [18:41] &IronBullet: darkinium kart + mega pinsir is cool
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  1941. [18:41] +A: anyway thoughts on building around firium agi zap
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  1943. [18:41] @Gross Sweep ?: let's just do kart
  1944. [18:41] @RedzoneX: i might do that on my own time but idk where to go with that off the top of my head lol
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  1946. [18:41] @Gross Sweep ?: and pinsir
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  1948. [18:42] @RedzoneX: my idea behind darkinium z kart + pinsir is that
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  1950. [18:42] @RedzoneX: zapdos is one of the best checks to kartana and pinsir
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  1952. [18:42] @RedzoneX: have kartana lure zapdos and ko it with black hole eclipse, allowing pinsir to sweep
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  1954. [18:42] @RedzoneX: pinsir is also a very strong wincon rn so always nice to have a team with that :)
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  1956. [18:43] +A: thats fine
  1957. [18:43] &IronBullet: yeah, kart takes care of celes, skarm and mew too
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  1959. [18:43] @RedzoneX: obviously we're gonna need hazard removal because pinsir is vulnerable as hell to rocks
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  1961. [18:43] &IronBullet: yep
  1962. [18:43] @Gross Sweep ?: we could pair those with god pivot core of av mage + defensive lando, throw on a scarfer, and then removal
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  1964. [18:44] @Gross Sweep ?: or scarf lati as removal and add on another breaker sort of mon
  1965. [18:44] @RedzoneX: I'm thinking scarf latias might be fun as our remover here, honestly
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  1967. [18:44] @RedzoneX: kartana and pinsir are both good targets for healing wish
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  1969. [18:44] @RedzoneX: and it saves us from having to add a status absorber
  1970. [18:44] &IronBullet: sounds fun
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  1972. [18:45] @RedzoneX: also compresses a revenge killer, zardy check, and defogger
  1973. [18:45] @RedzoneX: with draco/psyshock/defog/hw
  1974. [18:45] &IronBullet: so kart / lati / pinsir
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  1976. [18:46] &IronBullet: rocks are a given, and a check to fires since scarf lati isnt the best switch in
  1977. [18:46] &IronBullet: volc especially
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  1979. [18:46] @RedzoneX: rain is again something we'd like to be more solid against as well
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  1981. [18:48] @RedzoneX: def lando / ferrothorn maybe
  1982. [18:48] &IronBullet: hmm
  1983. [18:48] @RedzoneX: and then add a fire resist as the sixth mon
  1984. 18:48] @Gross Sweep ?: i still like the idea of av mage + def lando as it's just such a good pivot core to work our threats in with, but we can play with a ferro option
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  1986. [18:48] &IronBullet: prefer mag to ferro here
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  1988. [18:48] @RedzoneX: alright
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  1990. [18:49] @RedzoneX: as always i'm concerned about sg magearna though
  1991. [18:49] @RedzoneX: zygarde as well could be annoying
  1992. [18:49] @RedzoneX: though we have lando for it
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  1994. [18:49] &IronBullet: keldeo actually fits in rather well again lol as a 6th mon
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  1996. [18:49] @RedzoneX: specs keldeo here?
  1997. [18:49] &IronBullet: yeah specs keld
  1998. [18:49] @Gross Sweep ?: av mage with iron head for sg mage, and scarf lati + def lando for zygarde
  1999. [18:49] @RedzoneX: okay, i like the sound of that
  2000. [18:50] &IronBullet: av mage with iron head is good for mag yeah
  2001. [18:50] &IronBullet: and lando is fine for zyg
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  2003. [18:50] @RedzoneX: our electric resist is a little suspect
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  2005. [18:50] @Gross Sweep ?: yeah wild charge koko could be annoying
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  2007. [18:51] &IronBullet: yeah kart isn't the best lol
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  2009. [18:51] @Gross Sweep ?: i mean latias is also a resist, but it's offensive
  2010. [18:51] &IronBullet: yache lando is there
  2011. [18:51] &IronBullet: something we could use
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  2013. [18:52] @RedzoneX: this is why i like ferro lol
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  2015. [18:52] &IronBullet: honestly don't think koko is that bad if we use yache lando
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  2017. [18:52] @RedzoneX: yeah, it can be played around
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  2019. [18:53] @RedzoneX: lando deters it from clicking electric moves, and mage/keld deter it from clicking its coverage
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  2021. [18:53] &IronBullet: yeah
  2022. [18:53] &IronBullet: so are we happy with kart / pinsir / lando / magearna / latias / specs keld?
  2023. [18:53] @RedzoneX: so we have sd dark-z kartana / mpinsir / defensive lando / av magearna / scarf hw latias / specs keldeo
  2024. [18:54] &IronBullet: yep
  2025. [18:54] &IronBullet: A got the import?
  2026. [18:54] @RedzoneX: a is ded lol
  2027. [18:54] &IronBullet: oh he's left
  2028. [18:54] &IronBullet: okay I'll whip it up quickly
  2029. [18:54] @RedzoneX: one question, CC or EQ on pinsir?
  2030. [18:54] @Gross Sweep ?: cc here probably
  2031. [18:55] @RedzoneX: yeah, i think we need to be able to hit skarm and celes
  2032. [18:56] &IronBullet: http://pokepast.es/d84754d143463825
  2033. [18:56] &IronBullet: GS and redzone happy with that?
  2034. [18:56] @RedzoneX: yeah importable seems fine
  2035. [18:56] &IronBullet: cool
  2036. [18:56] &IronBullet: perfect time to finish i think
  2037. [18:57] &IronBullet: just at the 2 hour mark
  2038. [18:57] &IronBullet: lets open this one up for discussion
  2039. [18:57] @RedzoneX: thank you to everyone who came today :)
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  2042. [18:57] Stegozor: np
  2043. [18:57] vso: Uh darkinium smart strike Kartana is not a set
  2044. [18:57] EoanKnight: thanks for the help
  2045. [18:57] @RedzoneX: i hope this has been useful for people looking to learn ou and teambuilding in general
  2046. [18:57] pokeasianinvasion: ;)
  2047. [18:57] @pIkAchUlOvEr98: for a team built around kartana + mega pinsir its really weak to skarm
  2048. [18:57] Stegozor: oh yes it was
  2049. [18:57] SuperCorrBL: I was super late lol
  2050. [18:57] ejjjjja pl: it has
  2051. [18:57] Stegozor: thanks to you guys
  2052. [18:57] ejjjjja pl: thank you so much guys :)
  2053. [18:57] Cedricplayz: Hello
  2054. [18:57] vso: youre better off with like sub sd here tbh
  2055. [18:58] ejjjjja pl: would be interesting in something like this again in the future
  2056. [18:58] stainey: wouldn't magnezone be a good partner
  2057. [18:58] Sun ?: wasn't sd dark-z tana a better choice since set ups on ferro/toxa?
  2058. [18:58] Sun ?: :o
  2059. [18:58] stainey: as it weak to skarm
  2060. [18:58] Sun ?: SD+sub*
  2061. [18:58] ejjjjja pl: you bait out zone
  2062. [18:58] vso: Yh exactly what I said sun
  2063. [18:58] Mike81401: Dark-Z Kart was to kill Zapdos
  2064. [18:58] &IronBullet: thanks for everyone who participatd today and my co-hosts redzone and GS! hope this helped provide some insight in teambuilding to you guys. we'll be looking to hold more of these in the future for different tiers. see you all next time :)
  2065. [18:58] vso: darkinium is like
  2066. [18:58] Sun ?: especially because pinsir lacks eq
  2067. [18:58] vso: its best set
  2068. [18:58] SickestTrixBoiz: Hey Iron Bullet
  2069. [18:58] @RedzoneX: zapdos without dark-z kart to lure it
  2070. [18:59] @RedzoneX: is kind of an issue tbh
  2071. [18:59] Paintophobia: ironbullet
  2072. [18:59] SickestTrixBoiz: coul i get some help building around Magnezone and Salamence
  2073. [18:59] Paintophobia: john lennon
  2074. [18:59] @RedzoneX: especially since were not sedge lando
  2075. [18:59] &IronBullet: hello
  2076. [18:59] @RedzoneX: we could switch it up and run stone edge mpinsir and sub sd kartana
  2077. [18:59] LanceAndClowns: can I see the pastebins for the teams except the last one please? I missed them
  2078. [18:59] vso: redzone I don't rly like how you are exaggerating about
  2079. [18:59] vso: luring in kart
  2080. [18:59] vso: *zap
  2081. [18:59] vso: bc dark is best set
  2082. [19:00] Ladder clip: There was more than one team built?
  2083. [19:00] &IronBullet: sure lanceandclowns
  2084. [19:01] Kousengan ?: Why did they put 0 happiness in Kartana, Latias, and Landorus-Therian?
  2085. [19:01] &IronBullet: give me a few minutes, I'll post all the imports
  2086. [19:01] Sun ?: also sub on tana is useful since it force many switches, and you get free opportunities to set up against a lot of defensive pokemons like lando t and the aforementioned ferro and toxa
  2087. [19:01] vso: ^^^
  2088. [19:01] @RedzoneX: yeah sub sd tana seems fun here
  2089. [19:01] LanceAndClowns: ok thanks
  2090. [19:01] vso: you don't need smart strike for anything besides unaware clef
  2091. [19:01] xMath: heyyy can someone give me some pokemon that are based off of time? I already have Dialga and Celebi
  2092. [19:01] Sun ?: also under sub you can revenge kill stuff like ash gren
  2093. [19:02] vso: Yh basically allows you to sub on pex ferro and break balances much better in addition to many bos
  2094. [19:02] vso: And pex is a huge problem for the original
  2095. [19:03] vso: you need 52 spd 8 hp iirc for scald on pex to not break sub
  2096. [19:04] slicklight: best partners to mmedi + bisharp core?
  2097. [19:04] xMath: heyyy can someone give me some pokemon that are based off of time? I already have Dialga and Celebi
  2098. [19:04] @RedzoneX: tauros because it wishes it was 20 years in the past
  2099. [19:05] Fina Tey: hi folks
  2100. [19:06] AnnoyingAggron: hi
  2101. [19:06] catsrule2004: yo
  2102. [19:07] xMath: heyyy can someone give me some pokemon that are based off of time? I already have Dialga and Celebi
  2103. [19:07] wow1362: im ready
  2104. [19:07] stainey: koko can help medi as it boosts thunderpunch and can get rid of checks like fini
  2105. [19:07] @Gross Sweep ?: fossil pokes are from back in time
  2106. [19:07] Akku'rath: wish they would echange tauros Atk & Sp.atk
  2107. [19:07] Ske Mask: Hey Yall
  2108. [19:07] xMath: oooo good thinking Gross
  2109. [19:07] catsrule2004: ok
  2110. [19:07] &IronBullet: - here are all the teams that we built during the workshop: https://pastebin.com/N5BkgDgE
  2111. [19:08] @Gross Sweep ?: cofagrigus also seems ancient
  2112. [19:08] &IronBullet: feel free to try them out. obviously they are all first drafts and could definitely use improving, so you're welcome to adjust them as you please to suit your playstyle
  2113. [19:08] Fina Tey: thx ironbullet
  2114. [19:09] &IronBullet: no problem!
  2115. [19:09] catsrule2004: so
  2116. [19:10] ejjjjja pl: thanks :
  2117. [19:10] wow1362: Team 2 isnt correct, meg latios cant have scarf
  2118. [19:10] @pIkAchUlOvEr98: its not mega
  2119. [19:10] aden12131: where does it say that
  2120. [19:10] @pIkAchUlOvEr98: M was for male
  2121. [19:10] aden12131: that says male
  2122. [19:10] wow1362: oh
  2123. [19:11] SuperCorrBL: How can Latias be Male lol
  2124. [19:11] aden12131: its latios
  2125. [19:11] wow1362: because latos is male latias is female
  2126. [19:11] SuperCorrBL: Oh
  2127. [19:11] SuperCorrBL: Lol
  2128. [19:13] Shaka14: Scizor was impish and now its careful nature?
  2129. [19:14] gussy mane: ,
  2130. [19:15] @RedzoneX: we decided to make it spD sciz to deal with some threats better
  2131. [19:15] @RedzoneX: memory's foggy but think mage was an issue
  2132. [19:15] Shaka14: alright
  2133. [19:17] ShadowSwift: Any of the new mons released yet?
  2134. [19:17] Kousengan ?: No.
  2135. [19:17] @explodingdaisies: november
  2136. [19:18] ShadowSwift: Ah, alrighty then.
  2137. [19:18] +FMG *_*: yea spdef scizor is much better on that team for sg mag
  2138. http://pokepast.es/7acd454ca0f9b400
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