[11:20 AM]Ganen:With Sunah bumping up from class lead to officer, would anyone be opposed to promoting Cheese to class lead in his place?
[12:08 PM]Fuzz:Did someone nuke the whole message history?
[12:08 PM]Fuzz:in this channel
[12:08 PM]Ganen:appears so
[12:08 PM]Fuzz:That's... weird
[12:09 PM]Fuzz:I'm good for bumping Cheeze as long as he knows the other specs, but I think he's our best bet
[12:09 PM]Ganen:

[12:10 PM]Ganen:from the audit logs^
[12:10 PM]Fuzz:@Dagnabbit Why did you delete all the history?
[12:10 PM]Braids:I suggest Suna
[12:10 PM]Fuzz:Sunah: Officer, Suna: Class Lead?
[12:11 PM]Ganen:I think having Cheese as a class lead makes sense because even if he doesn't know the other specs fully, he has Suna to lean on as well. And ya, #1 boomie
[12:12 PM]Fuzz:I agree
[12:12 PM]Braids:I think Cheese is the right man for the job
[12:27 PM]Dagnabbit Phone:@fuzz I was instructed to
[1:18 PM]Entreri:Yea cheese wiz is the best boomy
[1:58 PM]Mendel:Cheese is my vote
[1:58 PM]Mendel:How about rogue?
[1:59 PM]Ganen:@Entreri who ya got?
[1:59 PM]Mendel:Entreri is an officer now
[1:59 PM]Braids:Kiaree?
[1:59 PM]Mendel:So
[1:59 PM]Mendel:Yeah
[1:59 PM]Mendel:Who ya git
[1:59 PM]Ganen:edited to reflect the real question*
[2:00 PM]Mendel:Rogues are a bunch of troublemakers
[2:00 PM]Mendel:Let's let em run loose
[2:00 PM]Mendel:Headless and listless
[2:04 PM]Entreri:i think kiaree would be a solid choice on knowledge of class he also helped me with seeing rogues doing shit theyre not suposed to
[2:04 PM]Entreri:honestly i dont think there would even be a good other option than him
[2:04 PM]Ganen:My vote's also kiaree, he's around enough and is knowledgeable
[2:05 PM]Entreri:lol
[2:05 PM]Entreri:just read @Mendel  comment
[2:06 PM]Entreri:my last 3 1v1s with mageflex i smoked him
[2:06 PM]Ganen:I would just check in and see if he wants it also.
[2:06 PM]Entreri:yea for sure
[2:07 PM]Entreri:def i will talk to him if everyone agrees
[2:10 PM]Advan:Kiaree has also been openly insubordinate to leadership several times and has made it clear that personal gear is the most important thing to him, so I would be careful about that choice
[2:19 PM]Advan:And you might also want to consider Arboreous for druids, as he has been raiding from the beginning. He may not be into it, I know hes not on voice a lot, but he should at least get consideration
[2:22 PM]Ganen:Of note, cheese has been in since week 2 of raiding as well. They're both decent choices.
[2:22 PM]Ganen:

[2:23 PM]Mendel:Glad to see you back around D
[2:23 PM]Mendel:And that you're work schedule is finally set
[2:23 PM]Advan:I'm not making a strike against cheese, I'm saying there is someone else that also deserves consideration in that discussion
[2:23 PM]Dagnabbit Phone:Advan brings up a valid point. Knowledge and presence is an important part of the role but we also have to consider suitability in all potential areas of the role and every viable candidate should be considered and spoken to about interest
[2:24 PM]Mendel:So advan
[2:24 PM]Mendel:You gonna try to raid tonight?
[2:25 PM]Advan:Im going to try, but im not sure if I'll be up for it yet.
[2:26 PM]Advan:I ended up not going home and instead driving to the union hall to sleep in the parking lot until class
[2:26 PM]Mendel:damn man
[2:26 PM]Mendel:that schedule is rough as hell
[2:27 PM]Advan:It was gonna be 3 hours driving home and back out to maybe get 4 hours of sleep if I could fall asleep right away
[2:28 PM]Advan:Our final is in 2 weeks, so all goes well that part will be done
[2:28 PM]Advan:Then it's just trying to adjust to the schedule, leaving at 845pm home around 930a
[2:29 PM]Entreri:eesshhh
[2:29 PM]Entreri:i hate overnights
[2:29 PM]Entreri:hopefully oyhur body adjusts quick
[2:31 PM]Advan:I think it will be easier for me than it was for Ryan since im used to going nights for a few weeks at a time from the last job
[2:31 PM]Advan:But the 10 hour instead of 8 makes a huge difference when you're already tired at the end of the night
[2:34 PM]Entreri:yea and you have hour commute alrdy?
[2:35 PM]Advan:It's closer to an hour and a half in the morning, for some reason the traffic leaving DC was heavier at 8 than I expected
[2:37 PM]Advan:And it's like 1hr 5-1hr 10 coming in because they are doing a lot of highway construction at night. And then having to get screened into the building sucks, but at least it's basically only us and the security guards, and 2 of the main 3 were the same each night and they have been pretty cool, they are interested in what we are doing so we can kill some time BSing with them
[2:39 PM]Advan:

[2:40 PM]Advan:That's where we are after 2 nights
[2:40 PM]Advan:And that blue circle is where I found this
[2:40 PM]Advan:

[2:41 PM]Ganen:sweet, free lunch lol
[2:41 PM]Advan:Yep!
[2:45 PM]Advan:I'm happy to see that it seems that you guys have gotten the guild back on track and having a more positive identity
[2:49 PM]Ganen:Yea the guild size has nearly doubled over the last month. Needed some response to the new people and some changes to keep things together imo
[2:50 PM]Ganen:Good news is that transfers end on friday so from my perspective, the guild is fairly locked in with what we have now.
[2:51 PM]Entreri:its classic will always be shifts with guilds disbanding breaking up stuff like that theres a good amount of raiding guilds /pugging guilds currently
[2:51 PM]Entreri:so always shift andsupply of new raiders
[2:52 PM]Entreri:but we are shaping up nicely
[3:00 PM]Mendel:I'm not taking this outside here yet
[3:02 PM]Entreri:for class lead? yea def gotta brainstorm and look at all options
[3:39 PM]Ganen:From going through the list of people who are in discord + comparing to what we have in game I have two observations:
1. There are a lot of people who don't use their in-game main's name as their discord nickname
2. There are a lot of people from group 2 that are not in this discord.
[3:39 PM]Mendel:@Alcaraz
[3:40 PM]Ganen:To streamline some of the visibility for people, I've created roles for group 1 and group 2 to set up a quick reference in discord for who's in what raid. It's hard to complete with the above two issues
[3:40 PM]Mendel:please see number 2 on ganen's list
[3:40 PM]Mendel:and have all members of your raid core sign up on this discord server
[5:11 PM]Fuzz:@Advan  can you pass server ownership over to me? Ganen and I have been working on infrastructure and we need full rights
[5:12 PM]Advan:I dont have it, Ash does
[5:13 PM]Fuzz:@Shandor can you pass server owner over? Ganen and I are working on infrastructure and we need full rights
[5:14 PM]Advan:Hes at PAX unplugged for the weekend, dont expect to hear from him
[5:16 PM]Advan:Should be able to do it with that now though
[5:17 PM]Fuzz:Thanks! That helps a bit, at least can modify almost all roles
[5:18 PM]Advan:Ganen has it now as well
[5:33 PM]Ganen:Gonna post an announcement asking people to switch their discord server nickname to their in-game name to make life easier
[5:34 PM]Ganen:if everyone's cool with that
[5:37 PM]Dagnabbit Phone:I think that's  a good idea
[5:43 PM]Ganen:anybody disagree with that decision @everyone ?
[5:43 PM]Mendel:yes please do
[5:43 PM]Mendel:we tried that a long while ago
[5:43 PM]Mendel:but its time to do it again
[5:44 PM]Advan:I've meant to do that from a long time back

[6:27 PM]Entreri:yea honestly i legit just fixed my name other day
[6:35 PM]Dagnabbit Phone:I'll be back on tomorrow needed a night off after last night ran late I'm tired lol. Braids need to get with you when you have time to plan out the bank going forward
[6:36 PM]Mendel:all in game ranks are set for the core groups now
[6:36 PM]Dagnabbit Phone:Yeah good job Ganen and Fuzz you guys are working on some good modifications
[6:57 PM]Fuzz:@Advan  We need the role above this one
[6:58 PM]Advan:Ryan has to do it, or change the one you have
[6:58 PM]Fuzz:ah, you cant promote to the level youre at?
[6:59 PM]Advan:I can't promote to this rank or edit it
[6:59 PM]Fuzz:yeah
[6:59 PM]Fuzz:I cant edit dust
[7:00 PM]Advan:I'm leaving school, I can see what I can do when I get home
[8:41 AM]Advan:why did we change the tabard?!
[8:43 AM]Mendel:We changed it back by popular demand
[8:43 AM]Mendel:It's the thalnos one
[10:35 AM]Fuzz::ashestoashes:
[10:36 AM]Fuzz:@Advan  Can you drop the 'Ashes to Ashes' role?
[10:49 AM]Fuzz:@Mendel  Raid 2 is struggling, no logs, over 4 hours in MC, and we lost a geared tank
[10:51 AM]Mendel:Yeah I talked to some of the guys in dms
[10:51 AM]Mendel:They need a raid leader
[10:51 AM]Mendel:Which tank did they lose?
[10:51 AM]Fuzz:Super
[10:51 AM]Mendel:Lost super?
[10:51 AM]Mendel:Like he gquit?
[10:51 AM]Fuzz:[01:55:26] Superiority has left the guild.
[10:52 AM]Mendel:Okay
[10:52 AM]Mendel:@Alcaraz we need to talk tonight please
[10:56 AM]Mendel:You have any time to talk tonight Miguel?
[10:56 AM]Mendel:I know it's Friday so if not it'll have to wait
[11:02 AM]Mendel:Just an fyi I said nuke officer chat. This is a clean slate and doing so was the only choice. We are starting fresh here.
[11:23 AM]Fuzz:Yeah, Braids caught me up
[11:23 AM]Fuzz:I'll probably be on tonight
[1:40 PM]Advan:so was there any conversation among the druids about their new class lead or was cheese given the position? because it seems like the system in place for selecting class leads wasn't redacted, but also wasn't used here either
[1:41 PM]Mendel:Sunah voted cheese
[1:41 PM]Mendel:It was in middle management
[1:41 PM]Braids:I vote cheese and oppose arboreous honestly
[1:41 PM]Advan:its not a middle management vote, its a druid vote
[1:41 PM]Mendel:We have 3 druifs
[1:41 PM]Advan:unless you are changing the system in place
[1:42 PM]Mendel:Cheese, Sunah, arboreous
[1:42 PM]Mendel:And amalaa
[1:42 PM]Mendel:But she doesn't discord
[1:42 PM]Fuzz:Right we also don't vote on class leads anymore.
[1:42 PM]Advan:since when
[1:42 PM]Fuzz:Since the guild meeting
[1:42 PM]Advan:because that post is still in the announcments
[1:43 PM]Mendel:We need to chat tonight
[1:43 PM]Mendel:Mike and fuzz
[1:44 PM]Mendel:Clean up posts
[1:44 PM]Braids:Arboreous raid logs I don't think he should even be considered for class lead
[1:44 PM]Fuzz:@Mendel  Done
[1:44 PM]Braids:I'm in Philly this weekend too I can't meet
[1:44 PM]Mendel:Kk
[1:44 PM]Mendel:Holidays are here
[1:44 PM]Mendel:Almost
[1:45 PM]Mendel:Let's make an announcement
[1:45 PM]Mendel:Regular raids cancelled after the week of Xmas and New year's eve
[1:45 PM]Mendel:Everyone is already on board there
[1:46 PM]Mendel:Just need to make it official
[1:46 PM]Fuzz:@Advan  Can you drop the 'Ashes to Ashes' role? The red one
[1:46 PM]Advan:no
[1:46 PM]Fuzz:It doesnt let you?
[1:46 PM]Advan:correct
[1:46 PM]Advan:i also cant edit it
[1:46 PM]Fuzz:you could leave the server and re-join I think
[1:48 PM]Advan:also, not doing that
[1:49 PM]Fuzz:Sounds good, in the meantime until we get the server admin figured out, would you mind refraining from officer-chat?
[1:50 PM]Advan:thats gonna be a hard no
[1:51 PM]Mendel:Guys I don't think this is gonna work. I'm sorry fuzz but you guys are pushing too hard and bullying everything
[1:51 PM]Mendel:We tried
[1:52 PM]Mendel:I've tried
[1:52 PM]Mendel:But I'm started to feel very cornered now
[1:52 PM]Fuzz:Cornered by what?
[1:53 PM]Mendel:Things like leaving dag out of roles, telling Advan to not talk, repeatedly saying flat org structure, and it isn't going to stop
[1:53 PM]Mendel:If we don't give in to what the crew wants
[1:53 PM]Fuzz:We didnt leave dag out of roles? He's on council
[1:53 PM]Mendel:Yall will just elave
[1:53 PM]Fuzz:Advan isn't an officer, and this is ochat, that's... normal
[1:53 PM]Mendel:This is the guild he started
[1:54 PM]Fuzz:and abanoned without warning..
[1:54 PM]Mendel:He can stay in here and talk all he wantsan
[1:54 PM]Fuzz:after taking a shitload of gear
[1:54 PM]Mendel:Not without warning
[1:54 PM]Mendel:He talked to all of us
[1:54 PM]Fuzz:We went 14 days with no contact from our GM
[1:54 PM]Fuzz:He did not talk to any of us
[1:54 PM]Mendel:He talked to us in here
[1:55 PM]Mendel:We all knew he was dealing with this shit
[1:55 PM]Advan:and that i was in NY for long thanksgiving and wasn't gonna be around
[1:55 PM]Mendel:Yup
[1:59 PM]Ganen:I'm with Fuzz on this one. There's not a blank slate approach happening here.
[2:01 PM]Ganen:Additionally, if there's a "Yall will just leave" attitude towards trying to right this ship, I don't see how that's going to help get things to where they need to be to make most of the people in this guild happy.
[2:01 PM]Fuzz:Considering we're still here despite everything indicates we're putting in the effort
[2:01 PM]Mendel:Because that's what was going on wednesday
[2:01 PM]Mendel:Before we met
[2:02 PM]Mendel:And if decisions are made that a group of people don't like are you telling me y'all won't leave?
[2:03 PM]Mendel:And yes I am putting in effort too
[2:09 PM]Mendel:I just feel like a bit like I'm walking on eggshells
[2:09 PM]Ganen:To be honest, I don't see any bullying going on here. I think there has been a lack of urgency on discussing possibly divisive issues that effect everyone in the guild, which lead to the discourse that brought us here. We went 2 weeks without a GM logging on, but we're also not mentioning the several weeks prior to that when our GM wasn't on basically at all other than raid nights. If we're turning this around, it needs to be the whole ship moving in the same direction.
[2:10 PM]Mendel:I agree there Ganen
[2:10 PM]Mendel:And we are for the most part
[2:10 PM]Mendel:But when I got word that dag got left out if some stuff while everyone else wasn't this morning
[2:10 PM]Mendel:It opened that back up
[2:10 PM]Ganen:It's also an opinion i've heard multiple times from people, that decisions are being made by people that don't log into the game on a regular basis. This is what I believe is the source of a lot of the drama behind the scenes.
[2:11 PM]Ganen:What is Dag missing?
[2:11 PM]Fuzz:@Mendel  What stuff?
[2:11 PM]Ganen:I don't think that was intentional
[2:11 PM]Fuzz:He has access to every channel
[2:11 PM]Mendel:Ill let him speak to it
[2:11 PM]Mendel:And it likely wasnt
[2:11 PM]Mendel:Intentional
[2:11 PM]Mendel:I'm just letting you guys know how it made me feel
[2:12 PM]Fuzz:How what made you feel?
[2:12 PM]Mendel:It felt like he was being pushed aside
[2:12 PM]Ganen:If we're talking on the point of Dag not being in Dust to Dust that isn't something anyone controls other than Advan and Shandor
[2:12 PM]Mendel:Without that being a thing well that was being done
[2:12 PM]Mendel:Nah not that
[2:12 PM]Mendel:He's working right now but lemme look. He didn't want to cause a stink
[2:12 PM]Fuzz:then there isnt really anything, he has everything we have
[2:12 PM]Mendel:He just dmed me
[2:13 PM]Mendel:He said he didn't lose permissions
[2:13 PM]Mendel:Just didn't get the new ones everyone else in this group got
[2:13 PM]Mendel:That's all
[2:14 PM]Mendel:So that's where the bullying comment came from
[2:14 PM]Ganen:Well, that's not something we did.
[2:14 PM]Mendel:Instead of saying that
[2:14 PM]Ganen:@Advan changed that yesterday
[2:14 PM]Mendel:I should have just talked to you guys
[2:14 PM]Mendel:Again lack of comms
[2:14 PM]Fuzz:I'm so confused
[2:14 PM]Mendel:I am too right now
[2:14 PM]Ganen:

[2:15 PM]Advan:That was me late the other night so Fuzz and Ganen had the ability to do the server edits they needed
[2:15 PM]Mendel:Okay
[2:15 PM]Mendel:Well then dag was mistaken
[2:15 PM]Mendel:He thinks y'all want him gone
[2:15 PM]Mendel:So he thought that
[2:16 PM]Ganen:I will admit, I missed dag when I gave out the "Discord Management" role, but sincerely that was not intentional.
[2:16 PM]Ganen:I believe I just clicked on whoever's name was on the right side and he was probably offline at the time.
[2:16 PM]Mendel:And that was all this was then
[2:16 PM]Mendel:And why I don't want to not bring it up
[2:16 PM]Ganen:I just noticed that's the only thing that he would have been missing that we have control over would have been that
[2:17 PM]Mendel:I apologize then. Dag is feeling pretty down in the dumps right now
[2:17 PM]Mendel:Thought y'all were cutting him out a bit
[2:17 PM]Ganen:@Dagnabbit if you're reading through, know that that was not an intentional pass at you. That role is only temporary and will not be needed in the future.
[2:17 PM]Mendel:So that's what I was talking about
[2:19 PM]Ganen:Dust to Dust level gets rid of the need of having that role.
[2:21 PM]Advan:Why do class leads have access to this channel
[2:21 PM]Mendel:Guys I have to get back to work
[2:21 PM]Mendel:Back in a couple hours
[3:25 PM]Dagnabbit:Appreciate that @Ganen
[3:26 PM]Dagnabbit:not sure how that happened @Advan but class leads should not have access to this channel i fixed it
[3:29 PM]Dagnabbit:@Fuzz why did you add class leads to officer chat?